Not I don't think it's solvable. This is
because the python interpreter is Intel and
the module is PPC. The two don't agree. Rosetta
won't help here because it works at the process
level. If you ran a PPC interepreter, then it
would work (but all the dependencies would have
to be PPC as well). In fact that's the same
thing that stops Matt's frontend working with
Intel CsoundLib.

Victor


>
> yes .. Matt .... apologies. it was 5am ish!
>
> with PPC version installed, using Apple's python:
> > drwIntel:~  drw$ /usr/bin/pythonPython 2.3.5 (#1, Jan 13
> > 2006,   20:13:11)
> > [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] on darwin
> > ...
> > >>> import csnd
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "", line 1, in ?
> >   File
> "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/
> > lib/python2.3/csnd.py", line 4, in ?
> >     import _csnd
> > ImportError:
> > dlopen(/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/
> Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3/_csnd.so, 2): no suitable image
> > found.    Did find:
> >
> >
> /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/
> lib/python2.3/_csnd.so: mach-o, but wrong architecture
>
> if you ignore and simply insist, it doesn't complain:
> > >>> import csnd
> > >>> dir()
> > ['__builtins__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__',
> > 'csnd'] >>>
> but it hasn't imported properly:
> > >>> dir(csnd)
> > ['__builtins__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__']
> > >>>
>
> Using python2.4:
> > drwIntel:~ drw$ python
> > Python 2.4.3 (#1, Mar 30 2006, 11:02:16)
> > [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] on darwin
> ..
> > >>> import csnd
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> >   File "", line 1, in ?
> >   File
> > "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/
> > python2.4/csnd.py", line 7, in ? ImportError: No module
> > named _csnd >>>
>
> and it complains no matter how many times you try to
> import. This one might be solvable... perhaps its just a
> naming convention?
>
> David
>
>
> On 11/11/2007, at 6:07 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>
> > you probably mean Matt Ingalls, not Mike Gogins.
> >
> > What is the problem by the way?
> >
> > Victor
> >
> >>
> >> I've just re-tested and I can confirm that (on an intel
> >> OSX) I have   the same problem when I use Csound PPC.
> Mike >> has indicated in a   recent post on the CS-Dev
> list that >> he will move macCsound to a   universal
> binary soon. In >> the mean-time, whenever  I need the
> other   one, I simply >> install it from the relevant .dmg
> over the top of the >> existing. And do it again to switch
> back. Not very elegant >> but, hey,   it works!
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/11/2007, at 1:24 AM, joachim heintz wrote:
> >>
> >>> No it's the same result with the -g option. Thanks
> >>> anyway for the   idea. I think all the problems are
> >>> raising because I am using the   Csound PPC version on
> >>> an IntelMac, because formerly I worked such a   lot in
> >> MacCsound that it's hard to change all this stuff to
> FLTK >>> widgets. You are using the MacIntel version of
> Csound, >> right? >
> >>>     joachim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 09.11.2007 um 23:57 schrieb David Worrall:
> >>>
> >>>> I can confirm that this eg works for me under
> >>>> OSX 10.4.10
> >>>> IDLE 1.1.3
> >>>> Python 2.4.3.
> >>>>
> >>>> But I've found things quickly get stuffed up with the
> >> graphic   >> output turned on.
> >>>> Can you try it with the -g command line option?
> >>>>
> >>>> This tells me I should include a .csd with the
> example >> description. >>
> >>>> David
> >>>> On 10/11/2007, at 8:53 AM, joachim heintz wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Well, but the task
> >>>>>
> >>>>> import csnd
> >>>>>
> >>>>> is ok in MacPython 2.3 (IDLE 1.0). The csnd module
> is >> found and   >>> can be loaded correctly.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But when I go to the terminal and try the same in
> >> /usr/bin/  >>> python2.3 I get:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Python 2.3.5 (#1, Jan 13 2006, 20:13:11)
> >>>>> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] on
> >> darwin >>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or
> >> "license" for more   >>> information.
> >>>>>>>> import csnd
> >>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
> >>>>>   File "", line 1, in ?
> >>>>>   File
> >>
> "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/
> >>>>> lib/python2.3/csnd.py", line 7, in ? >>>>>
> import _csnd >>>>> ImportError:
> >> dlopen(/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/
> >>> >> Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3/_csnd.so, 2): no
> suitable image >>>>> found.  Did find:
> >>>>>
> >>
> /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/
> >>>>> lib/python2.3/_csnd.so: mach-o, but wrong
> architecture >>>>>>>> Is this because of the PPC version
> (being on an >> IntelMac)? Why no   >>> problem with
> MacPython/ IDLE? >>>>>
> >>>>>     joachim
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 09.11.2007 um 22:14 schrieb Oeyvind Brandtsegg:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I think one should not run any halfway complex
> stuff >> in IDLE. >>>> I do not remember the exact reason
> why, >> neither the exact >>>> implications, but it has to
> with >> IDLE itself being written in   >>>> Python.
> >>>>>> This means we get one Python app running on top of
> >> another and   >>>> it does
> >>>>>> sometimes lead to unexpected results and strange
> >> error messages. >>>> Repeat, do not run stuff in IDLE.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> best
> >>>>>> Oeyvind
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2007/11/9, Victor Lazzarini
> >> : >>>>> The code is correct.
> The >> -1 answer means that >>>>> probably the CSD was not
> found >> or that other >>>>> problem happened during the
> >> compilation. >>>>>
> >>>>>>> -1 actually means an error. Also in OSX maybe
> >>>>>>> the csound messages have been printed to the
> >>>>>>> console (see it in utilities), not the terminal.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> (On Windows, if I run it from Idle, I also do
> >>>>>>> not get any Csound messages)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Victor
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi David -
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I find it very useful. But your example "Playing
> an >>>>>>>> existing csd   file" doesn't work on my system
> >> (MacPython >>>>>> 2.3, Csound PPC 5.07). No   error
> >> messages, but it returns >>>>>> -1:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> import csnd
> >>>>>>>>>>> cs = csnd.Csound()
> >>>>>>>>>>> fname =
> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> "/Users/jh/Documents/Csound/PythonInCsound/pythontest.csd"
> >>>>>>>>>>> cs.Perform(fname) >>>>>> -1 >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> When I first run main.py from Oeyvinds
> >>>>>>>> PartikkelCloudDesigner (it   stops at a certain
> >> point, but >>>>>> after loading all the csnd stuff),
> it's >>  ok (returns 0) >>>>>> and "test.aif" is written
> in the >> directory of the >>>>>> PartikkelCloudDesigner.
> So maybe >> there has to be one or >>>>>> more other
> tasks before >> cs.Perform(fname)? >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best -
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>     joachim
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Am 09.11.2007 um 13:33 schrieb David Worrall:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi All,
> >>>>>>>>> I've been finding my way around the python
> >> wrappers for >>>>>>> csnd. In my   search I've come
> across >> quite a few people >>>>>>> who have found the
> process >> just too hard. So, bearing >>>>>>> in mind
> thathis process >> is   likely to attract new users
> >>>>>>> ,  I thought it >> would be good to begin   to put
> a >>>>>> graduated >> introduction together. > >>>>>>>
> I've just scratched out a >> temporary beginning, for the
> >>>>>>> moment at >> http://www.avatar.com.au/sonify/csnd/
> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A couple of things suggest themselves.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Reference material
> >>>>>>>>> -------------------------
> >>>>>>>>> Apart from some simple examples, it would  be
> good >> to >>>>>>> merge the   output from help(csnd) with
> the >> info in the >>>>>>> header files,   particularly
> csound.h >>>>>>>>> Has anyone written such a script? It
> wouldn't be >> too >>>>>>> hard a hack   and then each
> version or compile >> options >>>>>>> change, a reference
> could   be computed by >> the user >>>>>> particular to
> their own system. > >>>>>>>>> Examples
> >>>>>>>>> --------------
> >>>>>>>>> From what I can see, the only example from the
> >> examples >>>>>>> directory   in the sources that runs
> on >> the default OSX >>>>>>> .dmg install of v5.7
> without >> being modified is >>>>>>> Victor's vu.py (It
> relies on >> TclSTk being   installed.) >>>>>>> tFair
> enough - It is a >> "way in" I could put up a hacked
> >>>>>>  down version (no >> graphics), just to illustrate
> the use of >>>>>>> >> CsoundPerformanceThread and
> SetChannel and proceed >>>>>> >> that way ... > >>>>>>>
> I'm not sure if  people would find >> these type of things
> >>>>>>> useful.   Perhaps you have >> other ideas.
> Feedback? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ciao,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> _________________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>> experimental polymedia:    www.avatar.com.au
> >>>>>>>>> Sonic Communications Research Group, >>>>>>>>>
> University of Canberra: >>>>>>>>
> creative.canberra.edu.au/scrg/ > >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _________________________________________________
> >>>> experimental polymedia:    www.avatar.com.au
> >>>> Sonic Communications Research Group,
> >>>> University of Canberra:
> >> creative.canberra.edu.au/scrg/ >>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> _________________________________________________
> >> experimental polymedia:    www.avatar.com.au
> >> Sonic Communications Research Group,
> >> University of Canberra:
> creative.canberra.edu.au/scrg/ >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> _________________________________________________
> experimental polymedia:    www.avatar.com.au
> Sonic Communications Research Group,
> University of Canberra:     creative.canberra.edu.au/scrg/
>
>
>

Yes, I realised after I'd sent the previous that it wasn't (solvable).

  my suggestion to those caught by this is to start to experiment  
with csnd.py in anticipation of  Matt updatin.
I would also recommend upgrading to Python 2.4 (at least)  - v2.3 is  
really now in the dark ages.

David
On 11/11/2007, at 8:16 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:

> Not I don't think it's solvable. This is
> because the python interpreter is Intel and
> the module is PPC. The two don't agree. Rosetta
> won't help here because it works at the process
> level. If you ran a PPC interepreter, then it
> would work (but all the dependencies would have
> to be PPC as well). In fact that's the same
> thing that stops Matt's frontend working with
> Intel CsoundLib.
>
> Victor
>
>
>>
>> yes .. Matt .... apologies. it was 5am ish!
>>
>> with PPC version installed, using Apple's python:
>>> drwIntel:~  drw$ /usr/bin/pythonPython 2.3.5 (#1, Jan 13
>>> 2006,   20:13:11)
>>> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] on darwin
>>> ...
>>>>>> import csnd
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>   File "", line 1, in ?
>>>   File
>> "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/
>>> lib/python2.3/csnd.py", line 4, in ?
>>>     import _csnd
>>> ImportError:
>>> dlopen(/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/
>> Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3/_csnd.so, 2): no suitable image
>>> found.    Did find:
>>>
>>>
>> /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/
>> lib/python2.3/_csnd.so: mach-o, but wrong architecture
>>
>> if you ignore and simply insist, it doesn't complain:
>>>>>> import csnd
>>>>>> dir()
>>> ['__builtins__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__',
>>> 'csnd'] >>>
>> but it hasn't imported properly:
>>>>>> dir(csnd)
>>> ['__builtins__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__']
>>>>>>
>>
>> Using python2.4:
>>> drwIntel:~ drw$ python
>>> Python 2.4.3 (#1, Mar 30 2006, 11:02:16)
>>> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] on darwin
>> ..
>>>>>> import csnd
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>   File "", line 1, in ?
>>>   File
>>> "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/
>>> python2.4/csnd.py", line 7, in ? ImportError: No module
>>> named _csnd >>>
>>
>> and it complains no matter how many times you try to
>> import. This one might be solvable... perhaps its just a
>> naming convention?
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/2007, at 6:07 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>
>>> you probably mean Matt Ingalls, not Mike Gogins.
>>>
>>> What is the problem by the way?
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've just re-tested and I can confirm that (on an intel
>>>> OSX) I have   the same problem when I use Csound PPC.
>> Mike >> has indicated in a   recent post on the CS-Dev
>> list that >> he will move macCsound to a   universal
>> binary soon. In >> the mean-time, whenever  I need the
>> other   one, I simply >> install it from the relevant .dmg
>> over the top of the >> existing. And do it again to switch
>> back. Not very elegant >> but, hey,   it works!
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/11/2007, at 1:24 AM, joachim heintz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No it's the same result with the -g option. Thanks
>>>>> anyway for the   idea. I think all the problems are
>>>>> raising because I am using the   Csound PPC version on
>>>>> an IntelMac, because formerly I worked such a   lot in
>>>> MacCsound that it's hard to change all this stuff to
>> FLTK >>> widgets. You are using the MacIntel version of
>> Csound, >> right? >
>>>>>     joachim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 09.11.2007 um 23:57 schrieb David Worrall:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can confirm that this eg works for me under
>>>>>> OSX 10.4.10
>>>>>> IDLE 1.1.3
>>>>>> Python 2.4.3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I've found things quickly get stuffed up with the
>>>> graphic   >> output turned on.
>>>>>> Can you try it with the -g command line option?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This tells me I should include a .csd with the
>> example >> description. >>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>> On 10/11/2007, at 8:53 AM, joachim heintz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, but the task
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> import csnd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is ok in MacPython 2.3 (IDLE 1.0). The csnd module
>> is >> found and   >>> can be loaded correctly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But when I go to the terminal and try the same in
>>>> /usr/bin/  >>> python2.3 I get:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Python 2.3.5 (#1, Jan 13 2006, 20:13:11)
>>>>>>> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5250)] on
>>>> darwin >>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or
>>>> "license" for more   >>> information.
>>>>>>>>>> import csnd
>>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>   File "", line 1, in ?
>>>>>>>   File
>>>>
>> "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/
>>>>>>> lib/python2.3/csnd.py", line 7, in ? >>>>>
>> import _csnd >>>>> ImportError:
>>>> dlopen(/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/
>>>>>>> Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3/_csnd.so, 2): no
>> suitable image >>>>> found.  Did find:
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>> /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/
>>>>>>> lib/python2.3/_csnd.so: mach-o, but wrong
>> architecture >>>>>>>> Is this because of the PPC version
>> (being on an >> IntelMac)? Why no   >>> problem with
>> MacPython/ IDLE? >>>>>
>>>>>>>     joachim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 09.11.2007 um 22:14 schrieb Oeyvind Brandtsegg:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think one should not run any halfway complex
>> stuff >> in IDLE. >>>> I do not remember the exact reason
>> why, >> neither the exact >>>> implications, but it has to
>> with >> IDLE itself being written in   >>>> Python.
>>>>>>>> This means we get one Python app running on top of
>>>> another and   >>>> it does
>>>>>>>> sometimes lead to unexpected results and strange
>>>> error messages. >>>> Repeat, do not run stuff in IDLE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>> Oeyvind
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2007/11/9, Victor Lazzarini
>>>> : >>>>> The code is correct.
>> The >> -1 answer means that >>>>> probably the CSD was not
>> found >> or that other >>>>> problem happened during the
>>>> compilation. >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -1 actually means an error. Also in OSX maybe
>>>>>>>>> the csound messages have been printed to the
>>>>>>>>> console (see it in utilities), not the terminal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (On Windows, if I run it from Idle, I also do
>>>>>>>>> not get any Csound messages)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi David -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I find it very useful. But your example "Playing
>> an >>>>>>>> existing csd   file" doesn't work on my system
>>>> (MacPython >>>>>> 2.3, Csound PPC 5.07). No   error
>>>> messages, but it returns >>>>>> -1:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> import csnd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cs = csnd.Csound()
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fname =
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>> "/Users/jh/Documents/Csound/PythonInCsound/pythontest.csd"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cs.Perform(fname) >>>>>> -1 >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I first run main.py from Oeyvinds
>>>>>>>>>> PartikkelCloudDesigner (it   stops at a certain
>>>> point, but >>>>>> after loading all the csnd stuff),
>> it's >>  ok (returns 0) >>>>>> and "test.aif" is written
>> in the >> directory of the >>>>>> PartikkelCloudDesigner.
>> So maybe >> there has to be one or >>>>>> more other
>> tasks before >> cs.Perform(fname)? >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     joachim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 09.11.2007 um 13:33 schrieb David Worrall:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been finding my way around the python
>>>> wrappers for >>>>>>> csnd. In my   search I've come
>> across >> quite a few people >>>>>>> who have found the
>> process >> just too hard. So, bearing >>>>>>> in mind
>> thathis process >> is   likely to attract new users
>>>>>>>>> ,  I thought it >> would be good to begin   to put
>> a >>>>>> graduated >> introduction together. > >>>>>>>
>> I've just scratched out a >> temporary beginning, for the
>>>>>>>>> moment at >> http://www.avatar.com.au/sonify/csnd/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A couple of things suggest themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Reference material
>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> Apart from some simple examples, it would  be
>> good >> to >>>>>>> merge the   output from help(csnd) with
>> the >> info in the >>>>>>> header files,   particularly
>> csound.h >>>>>>>>> Has anyone written such a script? It
>> wouldn't be >> too >>>>>>> hard a hack   and then each
>> version or compile >> options >>>>>>> change, a reference
>> could   be computed by >> the user >>>>>> particular to
>> their own system. > >>>>>>>>> Examples
>>>>>>>>>>> --------------
>>>>>>>>>>> From what I can see, the only example from the
>>>> examples >>>>>>> directory   in the sources that runs
>> on >> the default OSX >>>>>>> .dmg install of v5.7
>> without >> being modified is >>>>>>> Victor's vu.py (It
>> relies on >> TclSTk being   installed.) >>>>>>> tFair
>> enough - It is a >> "way in" I could put up a hacked
>>>>>>>>  down version (no >> graphics), just to illustrate
>> the use of >>>>>>> >> CsoundPerformanceThread and
>> SetChannel and proceed >>>>>> >> that way ... > >>>>>>>
>> I'm not sure if  people would find >> these type of things
>>>>>>>>> useful.   Perhaps you have >> other ideas.
>> Feedback? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ciao,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> _________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> experimental polymedia:    www.avatar.com.au
>>>>>>>>>>> Sonic Communications Research Group, >>>>>>>>>
>> University of Canberra: >>>>>>>>
>> creative.canberra.edu.au/scrg/ > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _________________________________________________
>>>>>> experimental polymedia:    www.avatar.com.au
>>>>>> Sonic Communications Research Group,
>>>>>> University of Canberra:
>>>> creative.canberra.edu.au/scrg/ >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________________
>>>> experimental polymedia:    www.avatar.com.au
>>>> Sonic Communications Research Group,
>>>> University of Canberra:
>> creative.canberra.edu.au/scrg/ >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________
>> experimental polymedia:    www.avatar.com.au
>> Sonic Communications Research Group,
>> University of Canberra:     creative.canberra.edu.au/scrg/
>>
>>
>>
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