I have used -- as a professional programmer -- both PHP and Python to do Web programming. I find everything a good deal easier in Python than in PHP.

But my point is not that PHP is bad. After all, I did eventually get PHP to do everything I wanted. My point is rather that integrating Csound itself with the Web site would be much easier in Python, since Csound has a Python API. 

This is because there were inquiries on the Csound list about running orchestras and scores from the Web and streaming the results back. I am sure this would very easy to do with Plone (or with Pylons, which is more nuts and bolts but also lighter weight).

Regards,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Cesare Marilungo 
>Sent: Nov 30, 2007 11:25 AM
>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Journal link.. - cSounds.com Webmaster Search
>
>I love python ten thousand times more than php, but hosting providers 
>(at least here in italy) have a much worse support for it. Same for Ruby.
>
>I have never tried Plone for this reason.
>
>Michael, what about using a cgi in c for this? It should be pretty 
>straightforward.
>
>What kind of functionality would you like to implement? Maybe we can 
>hack up an online csound compiler that lets you download the generated file?
>
>-c.
>
>Steven Yi wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> Unfortunately the web hosting company csounds.com is on does not support Plone.
>>
>> steven
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2007 7:20 AM, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>>   
>>> In my experience, the most drop-dead simple content management system to set up and administer is Plone (www.plone.org), which is based on Zope 3 and Python. I think that being based on Python is an advantage for us in that the site could easily be set up to run Csound via the Python Csound API.
>>>
>>> Plone also has facilities for storing and presenting soundfiles and text files, both of which are needed.
>>>
>>> It has all the usual content management system stuff: built in editor, forms, RSS, etc., etc., etc.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>     
>>>> From: Steven Yi 
>>>> Sent: Nov 30, 2007 2:36 AM
>>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Journal link.. - cSounds.com Webmaster Search
>>>>
>>>> Hi Dr. B,
>>>>
>>>> Besides just the aspects of design, I would like to highlight that
>>>> content management systems usually do RSS feeds which is incredibly
>>>> important in my opinion to help users keep informed of news, as well
>>>> as search facilities for searching a site.  Whether Drupal or other
>>>> system is used, these things are good to keep mind besides just the
>>>> design.
>>>>
>>>> steven
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 29, 2007 11:21 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger  wrote:
>>>>       
>>>>> Steven,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions - and the push toward redesign.  I
>>>>> completely agree.
>>>>> I love all the work that David did on the site.  He made it much more
>>>>> user-friendly
>>>>> and useful, but I think that there are many new tools and models now
>>>>> (OLPC, etc.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I liked, but didn't totally love the ardour.org model.  Still - there
>>>>> are many things broken
>>>>> at cSounds.com and many things that I have wanted to include,
>>>>> feature, update for
>>>>> years now....
>>>>>
>>>>> Brent Boylan and Brian Wong have offered to help.  Maybe others will
>>>>> as well.  And maybe
>>>>> the first thing we should do is decide upon a new and more open design.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. B.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2007, at 2:05 AM, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>> Regarding the link: The link on csounds.com should probably be changed
>>>>>> to link directly to csounds.com/journal instead of that page that is
>>>>>> shown there that doesn't have the latest journal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding the site: it really should be migrated to some kind of
>>>>>> content management system or blog system IMO.  (Drupal might be a good
>>>>>> solution as PHP or Rails are the only real options on what is
>>>>>> available to use for csounds.com).  A nice looking drupal based site
>>>>>> is ardour.org.  As it is now, I find myself hardly looking at
>>>>>> csounds.com as it's very hard to find anything as the categorization
>>>>>> is not as narrow as it could be.  (The way drupal's site's main
>>>>>> categories are listed up top and how those pages are divided could be
>>>>>> a model). Using blog software such as wordpress might be enough as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2007 8:24 PM, Brent Boylan  wrote:
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>> I have actually been thinking about volunteering to help with the
>>>>>>> site but
>>>>>>> have not wanted to step on any toes, so to speak. There seem to be
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> usability issues to address. But if you just want someone to help
>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>> things up to date I would like to help with that, too. Let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B. Boylan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr. Richard Boulanger-3 wrote:
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>> Thanks Rory,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will personally try to get to those links you pointed out as soon
>>>>>>>> as I can.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But I am looking for help from someone in the Csound community to
>>>>>>>> keep the site up to date.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David Akbari - the previous webmaster of cSounds.com (and former
>>>>>>>> student, assistant,
>>>>>>>> collaborator, and all around brilliant and super csounder) has
>>>>>>>> started in a graduate program
>>>>>>>> in speech and hearing and so he doesn't have much time to work on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> site any longer.  Thanks
>>>>>>>> David - and good luck to you in your studies and research.  I can't
>>>>>>>> wait to see (and hear) how
>>>>>>>> you use Csound to assist others and help them hear better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sooooooooooooo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am looking for a new volunteer to help me update things, change
>>>>>>>> things, revise things, and keep
>>>>>>>> the site going when I am drowning in OLPC, teaching at Berklee, and
>>>>>>>> finishing the 2000+ page
>>>>>>>> Audio Programming Book for MIT Press.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone interested in helping out with cSounds.com?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dr. B.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2007, at 3:41 PM, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>> Currently the link to the Csound Journal on the Csounds.com site
>>>>>>>>> does not give a full index of issues. It stops at summer 2006.
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps someone can update it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rory.
>>>>>>>>>
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While this sounds like a nice idea (and we already have NetCsound), unless
cSounds.com is running on a dedicated server this is likely to be too much
of a CPU hog.  cSounds.com appears to be a very busy site and while I don't
know about Westhost, I know that my web hosting company would quickly
complain if I were to start running lots of Csound processes on a shared
server.

Just something to think about ...

Anthony

Michael Gogins wrote on 11/30/07 12:14 PM:

>  My point is rather that integrating Csound itself with
> the Web site would be much easier in Python, since Csound has a Python API. 

For what it's worth, I agree w. Mike. What sort of a world are we in  
where the appropriate delivery of appropriate material in an  
appropriate manner is determined by the ISP that currently hosts a  
site which is about to be revamped?

ISP's are a service: Have Westhost been asked about making Plone  
available?

( I've recently moves one of my URLs to a new ISP after a decade w.  
the same one, and the improvement is amazing. Whilst I haven't yet  
implemented Plone, the new ISP has indicted they're willing to work  
w. me as they understand PHP is hardly groundbreaking.  )

I've made a couple of sites w. Drupal and found it easy to get  
started if you don't want to do anything unusual. If you do, be  
prepared to hack PHP - one of the ugliest languages that's ever been  
invented.

I suggest before making a decision, it would be timely to write a dot- 
point spec. for what features are needed/desired and then find a  
working example of their implementation .. including in PHP/Drupal.

I wonder how much of

> cSounds.com appears to be a very busy site


is the result of people wandering around looking for stuff they can't  
find? :-)


David

On 01/12/2007, at 4:55 AM, Anthony Kozar wrote:

> While this sounds like a nice idea (and we already have NetCsound),  
> unless
> cSounds.com is running on a dedicated server this is likely to be  
> too much
> of a CPU hog.  cSounds.com appears to be a very busy site and while  
> I don't
> know about Westhost, I know that my web hosting company would quickly
> complain if I were to start running lots of Csound processes on a  
> shared
> server.
>
> Just something to think about ...
>
> Anthony
>
> Michael Gogins wrote on 11/30/07 12:14 PM:
>
>>  My point is rather that integrating Csound itself with
>> the Web site would be much easier in Python, since Csound has a  
>> Python API.
>
>
>
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