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[Csnd] [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo

Date2007-11-14 23:44
From"Steven Yi"
Subject[Csnd] [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo
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Date2007-11-15 10:44
FromCesare Marilungo
Subject[Csnd] Re: [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo
Steven Yi wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I came across this today:
>
> http://www.moogarchives.com/moogdemo.htm
>
> on this blog:
>
> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/
>
> (which by the way has some very neat things there...)
>
> Thought others here who may be synthesizer enthusiasts might enjoy the
> audio demo.
>
> Thanks!
> steven
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
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>
>   
http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/search/label/Barry%20Vercoe

Mmh... Barry Vercoe. Where have I heard this name before? :-)

http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/2007/05/orpheus-record-02-edward-artemiev.html

I love Tarkovsky's Solaris (and the novel btw) and its soundtrack. When 
I saw the movie for the first time I though: "ok, the main theme is 
Bach, but who is the author of the rest of the soundtrack? It's amazing".

Then I found the dvd, and knew it was by Edward Artemiev.

But I didn't know anything at all about the ANS Synthesizer:

http://www.theremin.ru/archive/ans.htm

This is mind blowing. =-O

I mean it's the most intuitive and direct way of composing with pure 
sine tones one could think of. And what about 720 microtones that can be 
reproduced at the same time?

Wow!

-c.

-- 
www.cesaremarilungo.com 


Date2007-11-15 14:31
FromCesare Marilungo
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo
Cesare Marilungo wrote:
> Steven Yi wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I came across this today:
>>
>> http://www.moogarchives.com/moogdemo.htm
>>
>> on this blog:
>>
>> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/
>>
>> (which by the way has some very neat things there...)
>>
>> Thought others here who may be synthesizer enthusiasts might enjoy the
>> audio demo.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> steven
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body 
>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>
>>
>>   
> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/search/label/Barry%20Vercoe
>
> Mmh... Barry Vercoe. Where have I heard this name before? :-)
>
> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/2007/05/orpheus-record-02-edward-artemiev.html 
>
>
> I love Tarkovsky's Solaris (and the novel btw) and its soundtrack. 
> When I saw the movie for the first time I though: "ok, the main theme 
> is Bach, but who is the author of the rest of the soundtrack? It's 
> amazing".
>
> Then I found the dvd, and knew it was by Edward Artemiev.
>
> But I didn't know anything at all about the ANS Synthesizer:
>
> http://www.theremin.ru/archive/ans.htm
>
> This is mind blowing. =-O
>
> I mean it's the most intuitive and direct way of composing with pure 
> sine tones one could think of. And what about 720 microtones that can 
> be reproduced at the same time?
>
> Wow!
>
> -c.
>
By the way... Steven, have you considered of implementing a sonogram 
object for Blue? It would be nice.

Ciao,

-c.

-- 
www.cesaremarilungo.com 


Date2007-11-15 14:34
FromPeiman Khosravi
Subject[Csnd] Re: [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo
Thanks for posting that Steven. The videos of the BBC radiophonic  
workshops are very cool... Makes me want to buy a tape recorder!

It's very funny, I studied harmony with Mashayekhi (listed on the  
same site) when I was 13-14!

http://www.mashayekhi-music.com/

Best
Peiman

On 14 Nov 2007, at 23:44, Steven Yi wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I came across this today:
>
> http://www.moogarchives.com/moogdemo.htm
>
> on this blog:
>
> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/
>
> (which by the way has some very neat things there...)
>
> Thought others here who may be synthesizer enthusiasts might enjoy the
> audio demo.
>
> Thanks!
> steven
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body  
> "unsubscribe csound"


Date2007-11-15 15:08
FromVictor Lazzarini
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo
No you don't want to do that (buy a tape recorder), believe me.
I am so happy we now have fast computers.

Victor

At 14:34 15/11/2007, you wrote:
>Thanks for posting that Steven. The videos of the BBC radiophonic
>workshops are very cool... Makes me want to buy a tape recorder!
>
>It's very funny, I studied harmony with Mashayekhi (listed on the
>same site) when I was 13-14!
>
>http://www.mashayekhi-music.com/
>
>Best
>Peiman
>
>On 14 Nov 2007, at 23:44, Steven Yi wrote:
>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I came across this today:
>>
>>http://www.moogarchives.com/moogdemo.htm
>>
>>on this blog:
>>
>>http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/
>>
>>(which by the way has some very neat things there...)
>>
>>Thought others here who may be synthesizer enthusiasts might enjoy the
>>audio demo.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>steven
>>
>>
>>Send bugs reports to this list.
>>To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>"unsubscribe csound"
>
>
>
>Send bugs reports to this list.
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>csound"

Victor Lazzarini
Music Technology Laboratory
Music Department
National University of Ireland, Maynooth


Date2007-11-15 15:43
FromPeiman Khosravi
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo
I take your word for it :-) If I was rich maybe I would have at least  
tried one (so that I can appreciate how good computers are!).

Peiman

On 15 Nov 2007, at 15:08, Victor Lazzarini wrote:

> No you don't want to do that (buy a tape recorder), believe me.
> I am so happy we now have fast computers.
>
> Victor
>
> At 14:34 15/11/2007, you wrote:
>> Thanks for posting that Steven. The videos of the BBC radiophonic
>> workshops are very cool... Makes me want to buy a tape recorder!
>>
>> It's very funny, I studied harmony with Mashayekhi (listed on the
>> same site) when I was 13-14!
>>
>> http://www.mashayekhi-music.com/
>>
>> Best
>> Peiman
>>
>> On 14 Nov 2007, at 23:44, Steven Yi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I came across this today:
>>>
>>> http://www.moogarchives.com/moogdemo.htm
>>>
>>> on this blog:
>>>
>>> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> (which by the way has some very neat things there...)
>>>
>>> Thought others here who may be synthesizer enthusiasts might  
>>> enjoy the
>>> audio demo.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> steven
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
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>
> Victor Lazzarini
> Music Technology Laboratory
> Music Department
> National University of Ireland, Maynooth
>
>
>
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Date2007-11-15 19:20
From"Steven Yi"
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo
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Date2007-11-15 19:22
From"Steven Yi"
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo
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Date2007-11-15 19:24
From"Steven Yi"
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo
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Date2007-11-15 19:32
FromPeiman Khosravi
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo
I guess the thing that attracts me is the heard labour that goes with  
it. I find that inspiration comes only with labour :-) Also the fact  
that you are very much limited in terms of processing, I suppose it's  
more difficult to self impose such limitations (for me!). Having said  
these I have never touched tape so if it came to it I'd probably get  
really sick of it!

Peiman

On 15 Nov 2007, at 19:24, Steven Yi wrote:

> I used tape in my electronic music course in college and I have to say
> it was pretty time consuming but I did learn many interesting things
> from it (especially relationship of time and space(pitch) became very
> tangible to work with).  Also interesting to understand how a lot of
> earlier electronic music was composed (another nice part of that
> course was going through many early electronic music works; great
> class!).
>
> However, I wouldn't want to work with tape again! =)
>
> steven
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2007 7:43 AM, Peiman Khosravi   
> wrote:
>> I take your word for it :-) If I was rich maybe I would have at least
>> tried one (so that I can appreciate how good computers are!).
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>>
>> On 15 Nov 2007, at 15:08, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>
>>> No you don't want to do that (buy a tape recorder), believe me.
>>> I am so happy we now have fast computers.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> At 14:34 15/11/2007, you wrote:
>>>> Thanks for posting that Steven. The videos of the BBC radiophonic
>>>> workshops are very cool... Makes me want to buy a tape recorder!
>>>>
>>>> It's very funny, I studied harmony with Mashayekhi (listed on the
>>>> same site) when I was 13-14!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mashayekhi-music.com/
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>> On 14 Nov 2007, at 23:44, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I came across this today:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.moogarchives.com/moogdemo.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> on this blog:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> (which by the way has some very neat things there...)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thought others here who may be synthesizer enthusiasts might
>>>>> enjoy the
>>>>> audio demo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> steven
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
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>>>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>>
>>> Victor Lazzarini
>>> Music Technology Laboratory
>>> Music Department
>>> National University of Ireland, Maynooth
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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Date2007-11-16 12:35
FromCesare Marilungo
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo
Sorry, I wasn't referring to a sonogram, but to the inverse operation 
(generating sound from an image).

I don't know if there's a name for this.

Back when I was using Macs I played a bit with Metasynth.

Btw, I'm toying with the idea of implementing something similar on 
gnu/Linux. I've already hacked some code to generate a score for csound 
from an image but it seems that csound takes a lot of time to process 
very big scores (>1 Mb).

As I'm writing this, my pc is still processing a 8Mb score (started 
1hour ago). It hasn't started rendering yet.

The score is just a really long sequence of lines like this:

i1 0 1 0.1 100
i1 1 1 0.3 100
...

p2 is the x coordinate of each pixel the image, p4 is y (scaled from 0 
to 1) and p5 is the intensity. It is then rendered with this basic 
instrument:

        instr 1
xtratim .02
irnd = rnd(1)
kenv linseg 0, .01, 1, p3-.01, 1, .01, 0
aout oscil kenv, p4*20000.0, 1, irnd
outs aout*p5, aout*p5
    endin

Ciao,

-c.

Steven Yi wrote:
> Hi Cesare,
>
> Haven't thought about it but something like that would be interesting,
> but I think might require using the Csound API, which I have not yet
> done.
>
> If you're interested please add a request for enhancement on the blue
> tracker (accessible from the blue help menu) with details on how you
> imagine it working and I can try taking a look when time becomes
> available.
>
> Thanks!
> steven
>
> On Nov 15, 2007 6:31 AM, Cesare Marilungo  wrote:
>   
>> Cesare Marilungo wrote:
>>     
>>> Steven Yi wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I came across this today:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.moogarchives.com/moogdemo.htm
>>>>
>>>> on this blog:
>>>>
>>>> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> (which by the way has some very neat things there...)
>>>>
>>>> Thought others here who may be synthesizer enthusiasts might enjoy the
>>>> audio demo.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> steven
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/search/label/Barry%20Vercoe
>>>
>>> Mmh... Barry Vercoe. Where have I heard this name before? :-)
>>>
>>> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/2007/05/orpheus-record-02-edward-artemiev.html
>>>
>>>
>>> I love Tarkovsky's Solaris (and the novel btw) and its soundtrack.
>>> When I saw the movie for the first time I though: "ok, the main theme
>>> is Bach, but who is the author of the rest of the soundtrack? It's
>>> amazing".
>>>
>>> Then I found the dvd, and knew it was by Edward Artemiev.
>>>
>>> But I didn't know anything at all about the ANS Synthesizer:
>>>
>>> http://www.theremin.ru/archive/ans.htm
>>>
>>> This is mind blowing. =-O
>>>
>>> I mean it's the most intuitive and direct way of composing with pure
>>> sine tones one could think of. And what about 720 microtones that can
>>> be reproduced at the same time?
>>>
>>> Wow!
>>>
>>> -c.
>>>
>>>       
>> By the way... Steven, have you considered of implementing a sonogram
>> object for Blue? It would be nice.
>>
>> Ciao,
>>
>>
>> -c.
>>
>> --
>> www.cesaremarilungo.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>
>>     
>
>
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Date2007-11-16 14:27
From"Steven Yi"
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo
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Date2007-11-16 16:32
FromCesare Marilungo
Subject[Csnd] Poor man's MetaSynth (was: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo)
Cool. Blue is such a great tool!

In the meantime I'll post to the list the code I'm working on as soon as 
I have something usable. BTW, I'm writing it in C in the form of a Gimp 
plugin. In this way one can use all the tools available in Gimp (which 
are far more than those in MetaSynth) to manipulate the image and then 
invoke the plugin to output the score for csound, so that in csound you 
can choose to render it with whatever instrument (not necessarily a 
sinusoid).

As I wrote in my previous post the limit is only that big images produce 
huge scores, which are slow to be parsed in csound. Anybody know a 
workaround for this?

I agree on Iannix. It's an interesting project but hasn't much to do 
with the UPIC.

Ciao,

-c.

Steven Yi wrote:
> Oh that's a different issue altogether; I've long wanted to create
> both a SoundObject for image->sound like MetaSynth but also a line
> drawing based one like UPIC (and not IANNIX, which has nothing to do
> with the original UPIC in my opinion). Unfortunately time hasn't ever
> made itself available to me to implement (it's been on a todo list for
> over 4 years now...).  =(
>
> So, I'm certainly interested; maybe I'll do some research back into
> the issue during December or January.
>
> steven
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 4:35 AM, Cesare Marilungo  wrote:
>   
>> Sorry, I wasn't referring to a sonogram, but to the inverse operation
>> (generating sound from an image).
>>
>> I don't know if there's a name for this.
>>
>> Back when I was using Macs I played a bit with Metasynth.
>>
>> Btw, I'm toying with the idea of implementing something similar on
>> gnu/Linux. I've already hacked some code to generate a score for csound
>> from an image but it seems that csound takes a lot of time to process
>> very big scores (>1 Mb).
>>
>> As I'm writing this, my pc is still processing a 8Mb score (started
>> 1hour ago). It hasn't started rendering yet.
>>
>> The score is just a really long sequence of lines like this:
>>
>> i1 0 1 0.1 100
>> i1 1 1 0.3 100
>> ...
>>
>> p2 is the x coordinate of each pixel the image, p4 is y (scaled from 0
>> to 1) and p5 is the intensity. It is then rendered with this basic
>> instrument:
>>
>>         instr 1
>> xtratim .02
>> irnd = rnd(1)
>> kenv linseg 0, .01, 1, p3-.01, 1, .01, 0
>> aout oscil kenv, p4*20000.0, 1, irnd
>> outs aout*p5, aout*p5
>>     endin
>>
>> Ciao,
>>
>> -c.
>>
>>
>> Steven Yi wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Cesare,
>>>
>>> Haven't thought about it but something like that would be interesting,
>>> but I think might require using the Csound API, which I have not yet
>>> done.
>>>
>>> If you're interested please add a request for enhancement on the blue
>>> tracker (accessible from the blue help menu) with details on how you
>>> imagine it working and I can try taking a look when time becomes
>>> available.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> steven
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2007 6:31 AM, Cesare Marilungo  wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Cesare Marilungo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I came across this today:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.moogarchives.com/moogdemo.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> on this blog:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (which by the way has some very neat things there...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thought others here who may be synthesizer enthusiasts might enjoy the
>>>>>> audio demo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/search/label/Barry%20Vercoe
>>>>>
>>>>> Mmh... Barry Vercoe. Where have I heard this name before? :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/2007/05/orpheus-record-02-edward-artemiev.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I love Tarkovsky's Solaris (and the novel btw) and its soundtrack.
>>>>> When I saw the movie for the first time I though: "ok, the main theme
>>>>> is Bach, but who is the author of the rest of the soundtrack? It's
>>>>> amazing".
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I found the dvd, and knew it was by Edward Artemiev.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I didn't know anything at all about the ANS Synthesizer:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.theremin.ru/archive/ans.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> This is mind blowing. =-O
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean it's the most intuitive and direct way of composing with pure
>>>>> sine tones one could think of. And what about 720 microtones that can
>>>>> be reproduced at the same time?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow!
>>>>>
>>>>> -c.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> By the way... Steven, have you considered of implementing a sonogram
>>>> object for Blue? It would be nice.
>>>>
>>>> Ciao,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -c.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> www.cesaremarilungo.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> --
>>
>> www.cesaremarilungo.com
>>
>>
>>
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>>     
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Date2007-11-16 16:53
FromAndrea Valle
Subject[Csnd] Re: Poor man's MetaSynth (was: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo)
Some of my students once created a tool which analyses a bitmap and outputs  a score. I've got it somewhere.
Indeed it was a form of granular synthesis as each pixel was used to control a grain. Not bad.

I'm still fascinated by UPIC tools.
But my problem is that I'd also like to draw, not  only to paint in a pointillistic way. This means that an ascending  line should represent a real glissando.
But this would require an analysis of the image in terms of shape recognition. Or a multilayer, much more complex input than an image.
The problem is strictly related to the visible/audible relation: it addresses the conversion of a visible configuration inn audible stream.

Best

-a-

Or, on the other side,

On 16 Nov 2007, at 17:32, Cesare Marilungo wrote:

Cool. Blue is such a great tool!

In the meantime I'll post to the list the code I'm working on as soon as I have something usable. BTW, I'm writing it in C in the form of a Gimp plugin. In this way one can use all the tools available in Gimp (which are far more than those in MetaSynth) to manipulate the image and then invoke the plugin to output the score for csound, so that in csound you can choose to render it with whatever instrument (not necessarily a sinusoid).

As I wrote in my previous post the limit is only that big images produce huge scores, which are slow to be parsed in csound. Anybody know a workaround for this?

I agree on Iannix. It's an interesting project but hasn't much to do with the UPIC.

Ciao,

-c.

Steven Yi wrote:
Oh that's a different issue altogether; I've long wanted to create
both a SoundObject for image->sound like MetaSynth but also a line
drawing based one like UPIC (and not IANNIX, which has nothing to do
with the original UPIC in my opinion). Unfortunately time hasn't ever
made itself available to me to implement (it's been on a todo list for
over 4 years now...).  =(

So, I'm certainly interested; maybe I'll do some research back into
the issue during December or January.

steven


On Nov 16, 2007 4:35 AM, Cesare Marilungo <cesare@poeticstudios.com> wrote:

  

Sorry, I wasn't referring to a sonogram, but to the inverse operation
(generating sound from an image).

I don't know if there's a name for this.

Back when I was using Macs I played a bit with Metasynth.

Btw, I'm toying with the idea of implementing something similar on
gnu/Linux. I've already hacked some code to generate a score for csound
from an image but it seems that csound takes a lot of time to process
very big scores (>1 Mb).

As I'm writing this, my pc is still processing a 8Mb score (started
1hour ago). It hasn't started rendering yet.

The score is just a really long sequence of lines like this:

i1 0 1 0.1 100
i1 1 1 0.3 100
...

p2 is the x coordinate of each pixel the image, p4 is y (scaled from 0
to 1) and p5 is the intensity. It is then rendered with this basic
instrument:

        instr 1
xtratim .02
irnd = rnd(1)
kenv linseg 0, .01, 1, p3-.01, 1, .01, 0
aout oscil kenv, p4*20000.0, 1, irnd
outs aout*p5, aout*p5
    endin

Ciao,

-c.


Steven Yi wrote:

    

Hi Cesare,

Haven't thought about it but something like that would be interesting,
but I think might require using the Csound API, which I have not yet
done.

If you're interested please add a request for enhancement on the blue
tracker (accessible from the blue help menu) with details on how you
imagine it working and I can try taking a look when time becomes
available.

Thanks!
steven

On Nov 15, 2007 6:31 AM, Cesare Marilungo <cesare@poeticstudios.com> wrote:

      

Cesare Marilungo wrote:

        

Steven Yi wrote:

          

Hi All,

I came across this today:


on this blog:


(which by the way has some very neat things there...)

Thought others here who may be synthesizer enthusiasts might enjoy the
audio demo.

Thanks!
steven


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Mmh... Barry Vercoe. Where have I heard this name before? :-)



I love Tarkovsky's Solaris (and the novel btw) and its soundtrack.
When I saw the movie for the first time I though: "ok, the main theme
is Bach, but who is the author of the rest of the soundtrack? It's
amazing".

Then I found the dvd, and knew it was by Edward Artemiev.

But I didn't know anything at all about the ANS Synthesizer:


This is mind blowing. =-O

I mean it's the most intuitive and direct way of composing with pure
sine tones one could think of. And what about 720 microtones that can
be reproduced at the same time?

Wow!

-c.


          

By the way... Steven, have you considered of implementing a sonogram
object for Blue? It would be nice.

Ciao,


-c.

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I did this interview where I just mentioned that I read Foucault. Who doesn't in university, right? I was in this strip club giving this guy a lap dance and all he wanted to do was to discuss Foucault with me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little dance, or I can discuss Foucault, but not at the same time; too much information.
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Date2007-11-16 18:01
Frompeiman
Subject[Csnd] Re: Poor man's MetaSynth (was: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [ot] - Old Moog 900 Series Demo)
Correct me if I'm wrong,

doesn't metasynth's drawing tool deal with the spectrum? It would be
interesting to have a tool that lets you draw pvoc files. Also waveforms
that you can import into a table, not only score notes.

Just some thoughts.

Peiman 


andrea valle-3 wrote:
> 
> Some of my students once created a tool which analyses a bitmap and  
> outputs  a score. I've got it somewhere.
> Indeed it was a form of granular synthesis as each pixel was used to  
> control a grain. Not bad.
> 
> I'm still fascinated by UPIC tools.
> But my problem is that I'd also like to draw, not  only to paint in a  
> pointillistic way. This means that an ascending  line should  
> represent a real glissando.
> But this would require an analysis of the image in terms of shape  
> recognition. Or a multilayer, much more complex input than an image.
> The problem is strictly related to the visible/audible relation: it  
> addresses the conversion of a visible configuration inn audible stream.
> 
> Best
> 
> -a-
> 
> Or, on the other side,
> 
> On 16 Nov 2007, at 17:32, Cesare Marilungo wrote:
> 
>> Cool. Blue is such a great tool!
>>
>> In the meantime I'll post to the list the code I'm working on as  
>> soon as I have something usable. BTW, I'm writing it in C in the  
>> form of a Gimp plugin. In this way one can use all the tools  
>> available in Gimp (which are far more than those in MetaSynth) to  
>> manipulate the image and then invoke the plugin to output the score  
>> for csound, so that in csound you can choose to render it with  
>> whatever instrument (not necessarily a sinusoid).
>>
>> As I wrote in my previous post the limit is only that big images  
>> produce huge scores, which are slow to be parsed in csound. Anybody  
>> know a workaround for this?
>>
>> I agree on Iannix. It's an interesting project but hasn't much to  
>> do with the UPIC.
>>
>> Ciao,
>>
>> -c.
>>
>> Steven Yi wrote:
>>> Oh that's a different issue altogether; I've long wanted to create
>>> both a SoundObject for image->sound like MetaSynth but also a line
>>> drawing based one like UPIC (and not IANNIX, which has nothing to do
>>> with the original UPIC in my opinion). Unfortunately time hasn't ever
>>> made itself available to me to implement (it's been on a todo list  
>>> for
>>> over 4 years now...).  =(
>>>
>>> So, I'm certainly interested; maybe I'll do some research back into
>>> the issue during December or January.
>>>
>>> steven
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2007 4:35 AM, Cesare Marilungo  
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, I wasn't referring to a sonogram, but to the inverse  
>>>> operation
>>>> (generating sound from an image).
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if there's a name for this.
>>>>
>>>> Back when I was using Macs I played a bit with Metasynth.
>>>>
>>>> Btw, I'm toying with the idea of implementing something similar on
>>>> gnu/Linux. I've already hacked some code to generate a score for  
>>>> csound
>>>> from an image but it seems that csound takes a lot of time to  
>>>> process
>>>> very big scores (>1 Mb).
>>>>
>>>> As I'm writing this, my pc is still processing a 8Mb score (started
>>>> 1hour ago). It hasn't started rendering yet.
>>>>
>>>> The score is just a really long sequence of lines like this:
>>>>
>>>> i1 0 1 0.1 100
>>>> i1 1 1 0.3 100
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> p2 is the x coordinate of each pixel the image, p4 is y (scaled  
>>>> from 0
>>>> to 1) and p5 is the intensity. It is then rendered with this basic
>>>> instrument:
>>>>
>>>>         instr 1
>>>> xtratim .02
>>>> irnd = rnd(1)
>>>> kenv linseg 0, .01, 1, p3-.01, 1, .01, 0
>>>> aout oscil kenv, p4*20000.0, 1, irnd
>>>> outs aout*p5, aout*p5
>>>>     endin
>>>>
>>>> Ciao,
>>>>
>>>> -c.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Cesare,
>>>>>
>>>>> Haven't thought about it but something like that would be  
>>>>> interesting,
>>>>> but I think might require using the Csound API, which I have not  
>>>>> yet
>>>>> done.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're interested please add a request for enhancement on the  
>>>>> blue
>>>>> tracker (accessible from the blue help menu) with details on how  
>>>>> you
>>>>> imagine it working and I can try taking a look when time becomes
>>>>> available.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> steven
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 15, 2007 6:31 AM, Cesare Marilungo  
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cesare Marilungo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I came across this today:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.moogarchives.com/moogdemo.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> on this blog:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (which by the way has some very neat things there...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thought others here who may be synthesizer enthusiasts might  
>>>>>>>> enjoy the
>>>>>>>> audio demo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/search/label/Barry%20Vercoe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mmh... Barry Vercoe. Where have I heard this name before? :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://orpheusrecords.blogspot.com/2007/05/orpheus-record-02- 
>>>>>>> edward-artemiev.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love Tarkovsky's Solaris (and the novel btw) and its  
>>>>>>> soundtrack.
>>>>>>> When I saw the movie for the first time I though: "ok, the  
>>>>>>> main theme
>>>>>>> is Bach, but who is the author of the rest of the soundtrack?  
>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>> amazing".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then I found the dvd, and knew it was by Edward Artemiev.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I didn't know anything at all about the ANS Synthesizer:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.theremin.ru/archive/ans.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is mind blowing. =-O
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I mean it's the most intuitive and direct way of composing  
>>>>>>> with pure
>>>>>>> sine tones one could think of. And what about 720 microtones  
>>>>>>> that can
>>>>>>> be reproduced at the same time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -c.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way... Steven, have you considered of implementing a  
>>>>>> sonogram
>>>>>> object for Blue? It would be nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ciao,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -c.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> www.cesaremarilungo.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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> --> andrea.valle@unito.it
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> 
> 
> I did this interview where I just mentioned that I read Foucault. Who  
> doesn't in university, right? I was in this strip club giving this  
> guy a lap dance and all he wanted to do was to discuss Foucault with  
> me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little dance, or I can discuss  
> Foucault, but not at the same time; too much information.
> (Annabel Chong)
> 
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Date2007-11-16 18:21
FromAdam
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Poor man's MetaSynth
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Date2007-11-16 18:26
FromPeiman Khosravi
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Poor man's MetaSynth
Yes spear is great, and I forgot to mention that audiosculpt allows  
you to filter the spectrogram with any picture you want!

P

On 16 Nov 2007, at 18:21, Adam wrote:

>
> For those that haven't seen it, SPEAR is quite an impressive  
> application.
> Presently it doesn't draw, but its graphic editing capabilties are  
> strong.
>
> http://www.klingbeil.com/spear/
>
>
> peiman wrote:
>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong,
>>
>> doesn't metasynth's drawing tool deal with the spectrum? It would be
>> interesting to have a tool that lets you draw pvoc files. Also  
>> waveforms
>> that you can import into a table, not only score notes.
>>
>> Just some thoughts.
>>
>> Peiman
>
>
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Date2007-11-17 12:46
From"Oeyvind Brandtsegg"
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Poor man's MetaSynth
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