It could also be an option in the installer to set, or not, these environment variables. Would that solve your problem?

Regards,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Stéphane Rollandin 
>Sent: Sep 23, 2008 2:50 PM
>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Version 5.09 released
>
>> Wouldn't you get the same installation by using the installer, 
>> specifying "no Python", then deleting the environment variables (which 
>> amount to 6 or so entries)?
>
>yes, indeed.
>
>> I'd be interested in knowing what, if any, *other* value there would be 
>> in offering a .zip archive version. (One idea would be to offer a 
>> further "stripped-down" version. I work in such a version myself - 
>> putting everything [which is not much] in a single folder. But this is a 
>> customization for my own unique purpose.
>
>I use a stripped-down version myself, but it's quite likely that no two 
>people would agree about what should be in it.
>
>now, to answer your question: I develop a set of programs where csound 
>is mainly a component. currently, I have to launch the installer in a 
>virtual OS (a sandbox so that I know for sure my system settings will 
>not be messed up), pick up the files, maybe kill a couple python-related 
>dlls, then add a csound.bat allowing me to work with csound without the 
>need for any environment variable (see below).
>
>then I can go back to my main system, where I can at last work at the 
>same time with different flavors of csound, in a space not polluted by 
>global environment variables, and thus develop and test my software as I 
>wish.
>
>so a plain zip would be nice for me. I would just have to unzip it, 
>period. no need for any *other* value :)
>
>it would be even more useful to an end-user of my software: he could 
>upgrade csound by himself, simply by replacing the content of a folder. 
>currently, it is a very non-trivial operation that I do not even want to 
>describe in a how-to text.
>
>does this answer your question ?
>
>> 
>> If there is a verifiable need for a .zip distribution, and the above 
>> assumptions are correct, it should be simple for someone to install the 
>> float version (default location), without Python, zip it up (optionally 
>> stripping it down a bit - any stripping would need to be discussed), and 
>> send it back somewhere for download.
>> 
>> I'd volunteer for such a task, always upgrading to the most recent 
>> *float* release (Windows - I only use the real-time version). I could 
>> upload to my own website, to csounds.com or to sourceforge, for that 
>> matter.
>
>the point is: I don't understand why the csound maintainers do not 
>provide the .zip on sourceforge along with the installer; for them, it 
>should be an utterly trivial task. considering that I and others have 
>asked for this at least a dozen times these last *years*, the fact that 
>  this is not there yet just puzzles me.
>
>... as do the python dependency, but that is another story.
>
>
>regards,
>
>Stef
>
>
>appendix: the csound.bat contents
>
>	@cd %~p0
>	@set CSOUNDRC=..\.csoundrc
>	@set OPCODEDIR64=..\plugins64
>	@set OPCODEDIR=..\plugins
>	@set RAWWAVE_PATH=..\samples
>	@set SFOUTYP=WAV
>	@set PYTHONPATH=%PYTHONPATH%;%~p0
>	csound.exe %*
>
>... just put this in the csound/bin folder, zip the csound folder and 
>you're done.
>
>
>
>
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Michael Gogins a écrit :
> It could also be an option in the installer to set, or not, these environment variables. Would that solve your problem?

I would not launch an installer in my main system unless I'me 100% sure 
  it will not mess up with my settings, so to me such an option would 
not change anything. but it could be useful to others.

I don't want to be dense, but here is the question I would like an 
answer to: why not provide a plain extra zip distribution along with the 
installer ? why is that a problem for you ? shouldn't it be as simple as 
launching one more script in your packaging process ? I don't understand.


best regards,

Stef