At $4401, I find it a little too much to take. Esp. since next
year there will probably another HW doing twice the amount
of numbercrunching for 1/2 price.

Victor

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Gogins" 
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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:56 PM
Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: New stuff at NAMM


>A Pacarana is a larger Capybara, ladies and gentlemen:
>
> http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Products/Pacarana
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:36 PM, dp51  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that's right.  My life's dream has been to own a:
>>
>> "rare and slow-moving South American rodent found only in tropical 
>> forests
>> of the western Amazon River basin" - Wikipedia
>>
>> Now, all I have to do is figure out how to install it in my rack.
>>
>> Davis ;)
>>
>>
>> David Worrall wrote:
>>>
>>>> A few Pacaranas have been captured, but fail to reproduce in the
>>>> environment of a zoo.
>>>>
>>>> Pacaranas usually live alone or in pairs.
>>>>
>>>> They communicate with foot stomps, chattering teeth, whines, songs
>>>> and hisses.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like a few composers I know. (quick, hide the mirror...)
>>> D.
>>>
>>> On 22/01/2009, at 8:14 PM, victor wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did not know you could have them as pets.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Palomba"
>>>> >>> >
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:02 AM
>>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: New stuff at NAMM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm interesting...
>>>>> http://www.brazilianfauna.com/pacarana.php
>>>>>
>>>>> How much do they cost?
>>>
>>>
>>
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At those prices they're likely to mirror their brothers in the wild
and become an endangered spieces of their own.

Rory.


2009/1/22 victor :
> At $4401, I find it a little too much to take. Esp. since next
> year there will probably another HW doing twice the amount
> of numbercrunching for 1/2 price.
>
> Victor
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gogins"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:56 PM
> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: New stuff at NAMM
>
>
>> A Pacarana is a larger Capybara, ladies and gentlemen:
>>
>> http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Products/Pacarana
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:36 PM, dp51  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, that's right.  My life's dream has been to own a:
>>>
>>> "rare and slow-moving South American rodent found only in tropical
>>> forests
>>> of the western Amazon River basin" - Wikipedia
>>>
>>> Now, all I have to do is figure out how to install it in my rack.
>>>
>>> Davis ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> David Worrall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A few Pacaranas have been captured, but fail to reproduce in the
>>>>> environment of a zoo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pacaranas usually live alone or in pairs.
>>>>>
>>>>> They communicate with foot stomps, chattering teeth, whines, songs
>>>>> and hisses.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a few composers I know. (quick, hide the mirror...)
>>>> D.
>>>>
>>>> On 22/01/2009, at 8:14 PM, victor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I did not know you could have them as pets.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Palomba"
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> To: 
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:02 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: New stuff at NAMM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm interesting...
>>>>>> http://www.brazilianfauna.com/pacarana.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How much do they cost?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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Yeah, it's definitely in the silly money category (I'll probably settle for
the paca = $3000).  

I figure, if it sucks (or if I can do all the same things in Csound/MaxMSP)
I can sell it at a slight loss.  I've always been curious about Kyma and
I've never met any1 who uses it (all my friends are poor).  I can't even
find decent youtube videos of the Kyma GUI in use.  But, soon I'll have
enough spare cash to satisfy my curiosity once and for all.  

DAvis


rory walsh wrote:
> 
> At those prices they're likely to mirror their brothers in the wild
> and become an endangered spieces of their own.
> 
> Rory.
> 
> 
> 2009/1/22 victor :
>> At $4401, I find it a little too much to take. Esp. since next
>> year there will probably another HW doing twice the amount
>> of numbercrunching for 1/2 price.
>>
>> Victor
> 

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If only they weren't so in danger of being swallowed by an anaconda.
Ah well, that's the way these days - everything ends up feed for  soft  
wearables.

D.

On 23/01/2009, at 9:09 AM, victor wrote:

> At $4401, I find it a little too much to take. Esp. since next
> year there will probably another HW doing twice the amount
> of numbercrunching for 1/2 price.
>
> Victor
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gogins"  >
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:56 PM
> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: New stuff at NAMM
>
>
>> A Pacarana is a larger Capybara, ladies and gentlemen:
>>
>> http://www.symbolicsound.com/cgi-bin/bin/view/Products/Pacarana
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:36 PM, dp51  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, that's right.  My life's dream has been to own a:
>>>
>>> "rare and slow-moving South American rodent found only in tropical  
>>> forests
>>> of the western Amazon River basin" - Wikipedia
>>>
>>> Now, all I have to do is figure out how to install it in my rack.
>>>
>>> Davis ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> David Worrall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A few Pacaranas have been captured, but fail to reproduce in the
>>>>> environment of a zoo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pacaranas usually live alone or in pairs.
>>>>>
>>>>> They communicate with foot stomps, chattering teeth, whines, songs
>>>>> and hisses.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a few composers I know. (quick, hide the mirror...)
>>>> D.
>>>>
>>>> On 22/01/2009, at 8:14 PM, victor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I did not know you could have them as pets.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Palomba"
>>>>> >>>> >
>>>>> To: 
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:02 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: New stuff at NAMM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm interesting...
>>>>>> http://www.brazilianfauna.com/pacarana.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How much do they cost?

I bought two of the systems when they first came out got them directly  
from Kurt Hebel and Carla Scarletti in Champaign, Il.
K's HW was a work of art in itself and didn't miss a beat all the time  
I used them.
C''s SW was pretty good too: in Smalltalk - the object oriental's  
version of Forth, and grand-daddy to python.
(That' probably where it got it's taste for pacarana.)

It was originally slow - them were the days - but was well conceived.  
I haven't used it for a long time, though I examined a couple of years  
ago of someone who'd done a fair bit of in-the-field- sonification w.  
them and liked them very much. Carla did quite a bit of data son. with  
the system too. Reported in Kramer's 1994 book.
 From memory, SS runs a mailing list and maintain a register of users  
so, Mike, you might get some useful UTD info. there.

Mike said:

> One thing I really would like is an environment where one can write  
> both compositional processes and synthesis patches in the same text- 
> based language, and Kyma seems to offer that. Nowadays, you can get  
> that in the open source world with Common Music/Common Lisp Music,  
> at last even on Windows. Again, I haven't tried it out much, but  
> it's promising. Of course, CLM doesn't have as many unit generators  
> as Csound.


python API to csound? The big problem which bites you in the  
proverbial if it's not planned for is obsolescence - which wastes more  
time that w=everything else put together.
In my experience, another important thing that Lisp and Python (and  
Forth and APL (yea!) share, is that they are _interpreted_. Won't bang  
on about it. Here's a couple of papers which might amuse:
http://avatar.com.au/worrall/papers/Procedural%20Composition.pdf
http://avatar.com.au/worrall/papers/Metamusical%20composing.pdf
The last paper I wrote on the issue is:
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=50025

I must admit to never having used the meta-comp. tools of scound. I'd  
be interested to hear of the experience of those that do.
ciao,
David

On 23/01/2009, at 9:58 AM, dp51 wrote:

>
> Yeah, it's definitely in the silly money category (I'll probably  
> settle for
> the paca = $3000).
>
> I figure, if it sucks (or if I can do all the same things in Csound/ 
> MaxMSP)
> I can sell it at a slight loss.  I've always been curious about Kyma  
> and
> I've never met any1 who uses it (all my friends are poor).  I can't  
> even
> find decent youtube videos of the Kyma GUI in use.  But, soon I'll  
> have
> enough spare cash to satisfy my curiosity once and for all.
>
> DAvis
>
>
> rory walsh wrote:
>>
>> At those prices they're likely to mirror their brothers in the wild
>> and become an endangered spieces of their own.
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>>
>> 2009/1/22 victor :
>>> At $4401, I find it a little too much to take. Esp. since next
>>> year there will probably another HW doing twice the amount
>>> of numbercrunching for 1/2 price.
>>>
>>> Victor

I have always been curious about these outboard synthesis systems.
I have been chugging along just fine with my laptop and tools like
csound and Max. With the rise of dual/quad core machines, is the level of 
performance
and power really justify the cost? What are some of the things you
can do with a pacarana that make it something one must have?




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DavidW" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:07 PM
Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: New stuff at NAMM


>I bought two of the systems when they first came out got them directly 
>from Kurt Hebel and Carla Scarletti in Champaign, Il.
> K's HW was a work of art in itself and didn't miss a beat all the time  I 
> used them.
> C''s SW was pretty good too: in Smalltalk - the object oriental's  version 
> of Forth, and grand-daddy to python.
> (That' probably where it got it's taste for pacarana.)
>
> It was originally slow - them were the days - but was well conceived.  I 
> haven't used it for a long time, though I examined a couple of years  ago 
> of someone who'd done a fair bit of in-the-field- sonification w.  them 
> and liked them very much. Carla did quite a bit of data son. with  the 
> system too. Reported in Kramer's 1994 book.
> From memory, SS runs a mailing list and maintain a register of users  so, 
> Mike, you might get some useful UTD info. there.
>
> Mike said:
>
>> One thing I really would like is an environment where one can write  both 
>> compositional processes and synthesis patches in the same text- based 
>> language, and Kyma seems to offer that. Nowadays, you can get  that in 
>> the open source world with Common Music/Common Lisp Music,  at last even 
>> on Windows. Again, I haven't tried it out much, but  it's promising. Of 
>> course, CLM doesn't have as many unit generators  as Csound.
>
>
> python API to csound? The big problem which bites you in the  proverbial 
> if it's not planned for is obsolescence - which wastes more  time that 
> w=everything else put together.
> In my experience, another important thing that Lisp and Python (and  Forth 
> and APL (yea!) share, is that they are _interpreted_. Won't bang  on about 
> it. Here's a couple of papers which might amuse:
> http://avatar.com.au/worrall/papers/Procedural%20Composition.pdf
> http://avatar.com.au/worrall/papers/Metamusical%20composing.pdf
> The last paper I wrote on the issue is:
> http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=50025
>
> I must admit to never having used the meta-comp. tools of scound. I'd  be 
> interested to hear of the experience of those that do.
> ciao,
> David
>
> On 23/01/2009, at 9:58 AM, dp51 wrote:
>
>>
>> Yeah, it's definitely in the silly money category (I'll probably  settle 
>> for
>> the paca = $3000).
>>
>> I figure, if it sucks (or if I can do all the same things in Csound/ 
>> MaxMSP)
>> I can sell it at a slight loss.  I've always been curious about Kyma  and
>> I've never met any1 who uses it (all my friends are poor).  I can't  even
>> find decent youtube videos of the Kyma GUI in use.  But, soon I'll  have
>> enough spare cash to satisfy my curiosity once and for all.
>>
>> DAvis
>>
>>
>> rory walsh wrote:
>>>
>>> At those prices they're likely to mirror their brothers in the wild
>>> and become an endangered spieces of their own.
>>>
>>> Rory.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/1/22 victor :
>>>> At $4401, I find it a little too much to take. Esp. since next
>>>> year there will probably another HW doing twice the amount
>>>> of numbercrunching for 1/2 price.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
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I think the best way to judge Kyma (without actually trying it) is to 
listen to the demos, watch the movies, get the brochure+cd, or buy
the book (that's what I'm doing). It seems like very few people on 
this list have used it, so gaining access to the Symbolic Sound mailing
list would be another way.  Then you could ask about "cost vs. benefit"
and get some meaningful answers.  

As a side note, there's bound to be capybaras (predecessor to pacarana)
on eBay.  If I remember correctly, some1 bought a basic system for
$1500 last month (that could have been a fluke).  The "magic" is
definitely in the software, so a capybara would be a nice alternative.

Davis


apalomba wrote:
> 
> I have always been curious about these outboard synthesis systems.
> I have been chugging along just fine with my laptop and tools like
> csound and Max. With the rise of dual/quad core machines, is the level of 
> performance
> and power really justify the cost? What are some of the things you
> can do with a pacarana that make it something one must have?
> 

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