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Re: [Csnd] [OT] csound evangelization much needed, but for reasons

Date2012-03-05 17:56
From"Art Hunkins"
SubjectRe: [Csnd] [OT] csound evangelization much needed, but for reasons
Oh, the good old days (of Score 11)!

In the early 1960's, I obtained a surreptitious DOS port of Score 11, and 
used it in the composition of my 2nd, 3rd and 4th Csound compositions (Gifts 
(1991), Lux Hominum (1995) and Et Vitam Venturi III (1995)).

I recall attempting to contact Aleck Brinkman (Eastman) via email over a 
period of months to tell him of my usage, ask for his "blessing" and figured 
they might be happy to know someone was professional using the program. I 
also was interested in informing others where they might obtain a copy 
(i.e., from author Brinkman).

Some time later, I received a reply from someone else at Eastman informing 
me to cease and desist, that what I was doing was illegal, and that Score 11 
was their private property.

As a college music theory teacher, I was completely overawed by Eastman, 
promptly rewrote all my Score 11 materials in nGen (Mikel Kuehn) and never 
looked back. (This was a substantial, but not immense task.)

At the time nGen was available for Windows; it only seems to be for Mac 
currently. (I may still have the DOS source somewhere. It *is* legitimate, 
and did work quite well. My old Score 11 port had a few things in it that 
didn't work.)

Art Hunkins

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Dobson" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] [OT] csound evangelization much needed, but for reasons


> On 05/03/2012 06:26, Deepak wrote:
>> Hi Everyone....
>>
>> I had found the following link from eastman school's website, a couple
>> of months back...Seems like the website is from the 90's, but I am not
>> too sure if they are still going about teaching Csound the same way now,
>> as they did in the 90's...
>>
>> http://ecmc.rochester.edu/ecmc/docs/allan.cs/chapter1.html#
>>
>> It provided a good introduction to Csound, but seems like they are also
>> using score11 in the syllabus...
>>
>
> I seem to recall that we never saw an open-source distribution of Score11. 
> Is it actually available? Otherwise I am inclined to say "lucky them".
>
> Any attempt to add bar/beat notation to the current score language is 
> almost by definition bound to fail, as whatever is done will be found to 
> have some limitation a week later. Far better IMO to have or develop an 
> external preprocessor, perhaps not unlike score11, which generates a 
> Csound score. And whatever happened to "SCOT"? That did just about exactly 
> what people are asking for.
>
> Richard Dobson
>
>
>
>
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Date2012-03-06 07:48
From"Dr. Richard Boulanger"
SubjectRe: [Csnd] [OT] csound evangelization much needed, but for reasons
nGen was pretty great too... but yes.... Score11 was "private" and "secret" and yet.... it was derived from Score10 - perhaps this was why?
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On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Art Hunkins wrote:

Oh, the good old days (of Score 11)!

In the early 1960's, I obtained a surreptitious DOS port of Score 11, and used it in the composition of my 2nd, 3rd and 4th Csound compositions (Gifts (1991), Lux Hominum (1995) and Et Vitam Venturi III (1995)).

I recall attempting to contact Aleck Brinkman (Eastman) via email over a period of months to tell him of my usage, ask for his "blessing" and figured they might be happy to know someone was professional using the program. I also was interested in informing others where they might obtain a copy (i.e., from author Brinkman).

Some time later, I received a reply from someone else at Eastman informing me to cease and desist, that what I was doing was illegal, and that Score 11 was their private property.

As a college music theory teacher, I was completely overawed by Eastman, promptly rewrote all my Score 11 materials in nGen (Mikel Kuehn) and never looked back. (This was a substantial, but not immense task.)

At the time nGen was available for Windows; it only seems to be for Mac currently. (I may still have the DOS source somewhere. It *is* legitimate, and did work quite well. My old Score 11 port had a few things in it that didn't work.)

Art Hunkins

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Dobson" <richarddobson@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <csound@lists.bath.ac.uk>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] [OT] csound evangelization much needed, but for reasons


On 05/03/2012 06:26, Deepak wrote:
Hi Everyone....

I had found the following link from eastman school's website, a couple
of months back...Seems like the website is from the 90's, but I am not
too sure if they are still going about teaching Csound the same way now,
as they did in the 90's...

http://ecmc.rochester.edu/ecmc/docs/allan.cs/chapter1.html#

It provided a good introduction to Csound, but seems like they are also
using score11 in the syllabus...


I seem to recall that we never saw an open-source distribution of Score11. Is it actually available? Otherwise I am inclined to say "lucky them".

Any attempt to add bar/beat notation to the current score language is almost by definition bound to fail, as whatever is done will be found to have some limitation a week later. Far better IMO to have or develop an external preprocessor, perhaps not unlike score11, which generates a Csound score. And whatever happened to "SCOT"? That did just about exactly what people are asking for.

Richard Dobson




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