Hi, what method of input do most people use for getting music out of cSound? 
Does anyone still use the traditional score file? Do most use midi? or do 
most use some other form of composing? I'd use nGen, but that seems to be 
hard to get, though I do have a copy. So what other music input languages 
work well with csound?




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On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Michael Gogins  wrote:
> I now use Lua, I used to use Python, and before that I used Java.

Interesting, why do you use Lua over Python? I'm used to thinking
Python is more "user friendly", although I must say I only know little
about Lua.

Cheers
Nil

> Occasionally, notation software with CsoundVST.
> Some people use spreadsheets, some people use Csound score language, there
> are many composing systems like blue or Common Music or surmolot that people
> use.
> I don't ever do live performance (yet) but if I did I would probably use
> MIDI.
> Hope this helps,
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Arthur Pirika  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, what method of input do most people use for getting music out of
>> cSound? Does anyone still use the traditional score file? Do most use midi?
>> or do most use some other form of composing? I'd use nGen, but that seems to
>> be hard to get, though I do have a copy. So what other music input languages
>> work well with csound?
>>
>>
>>
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For me I started getting into Michael's Lua system because I couldn't
get pythonac to work on ubuntu. I use midi a lot, and now trying to
learn OSC so I can write a better OSC front end for android than the
currently available ones. Its not easy to use, but it seems to be the
best bet for using my android device as a controller for csound.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Nil Geisweiller  wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>> I now use Lua, I used to use Python, and before that I used Java.
>
> Interesting, why do you use Lua over Python? I'm used to thinking
> Python is more "user friendly", although I must say I only know little
> about Lua.
>
> Cheers
> Nil
>
>> Occasionally, notation software with CsoundVST.
>> Some people use spreadsheets, some people use Csound score language, there
>> are many composing systems like blue or Common Music or surmolot that people
>> use.
>> I don't ever do live performance (yet) but if I did I would probably use
>> MIDI.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Arthur Pirika  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, what method of input do most people use for getting music out of
>>> cSound? Does anyone still use the traditional score file? Do most use midi?
>>> or do most use some other form of composing? I'd use nGen, but that seems to
>>> be hard to get, though I do have a copy. So what other music input languages
>>> work well with csound?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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For me it's MIDI controllers all the way. I've become one with my uc-33!

On Saturday, 9 July 2011, Brian Redfern  wrote:
> For me I started getting into Michael's Lua system because I couldn't
> get pythonac to work on ubuntu. I use midi a lot, and now trying to
> learn OSC so I can write a better OSC front end for android than the
> currently available ones. Its not easy to use, but it seems to be the
> best bet for using my android device as a controller for csound.
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Nil Geisweiller  wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>>> I now use Lua, I used to use Python, and before that I used Java.
>>
>> Interesting, why do you use Lua over Python? I'm used to thinking
>> Python is more "user friendly", although I must say I only know little
>> about Lua.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Nil
>>
>>> Occasionally, notation software with CsoundVST.
>>> Some people use spreadsheets, some people use Csound score language, there
>>> are many composing systems like blue or Common Music or surmolot that people
>>> use.
>>> I don't ever do live performance (yet) but if I did I would probably use
>>> MIDI.
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Arthur Pirika  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi, what method of input do most people use for getting music out of
>>>> cSound? Does anyone still use the traditional score file? Do most use midi?
>>>> or do most use some other form of composing? I'd use nGen, but that seems to
>>>> be hard to get, though I do have a copy. So what other music input languages
>>>> work well with csound?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Called me old-fashioned but I either ewrite Csound score events, or write
C programs to generate score events.

For real-time/performance I use wiimotes directly driving event opcodes
and the like

==John ff

> For me it's MIDI controllers all the way. I've become one with my uc-33!
>
> On Saturday, 9 July 2011, Brian Redfern  wrote:
>> For me I started getting into Michael's Lua system because I couldn't
>> get pythonac to work on ubuntu. I use midi a lot, and now trying to
>> learn OSC so I can write a better OSC front end for android than the
>> currently available ones. Its not easy to use, but it seems to be the
>> best bet for using my android device as a controller for csound.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Nil Geisweiller
>>  wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Michael Gogins
>>>  wrote:
>>>> I now use Lua, I used to use Python, and before that I used Java.
>>>
>>> Interesting, why do you use Lua over Python? I'm used to thinking
>>> Python is more "user friendly", although I must say I only know little
>>> about Lua.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Nil
>>>
>>>> Occasionally, notation software with CsoundVST.
>>>> Some people use spreadsheets, some people use Csound score language,
>>>> there
>>>> are many composing systems like blue or Common Music or surmolot that
>>>> people
>>>> use.
>>>> I don't ever do live performance (yet) but if I did I would probably
>>>> use
>>>> MIDI.
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Arthur Pirika 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, what method of input do most people use for getting music out of
>>>>> cSound? Does anyone still use the traditional score file? Do most use
>>>>> midi?
>>>>> or do most use some other form of composing? I'd use nGen, but that
>>>>> seems to
>>>>> be hard to get, though I do have a copy. So what other music input
>>>>> languages
>>>>> work well with csound?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Because on x86 architecture, luajit is by far the fastest dynamic language, at times a fast as c.

MIDI keyboards and nothing else.

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Speaking of MIDI being on the way out has anyone come across any OSC
supported hardware controllers? The poor resolution of MIDI CC
messages is a constant PITA.

Rory.


On 9 July 2011 15:43, Brian Wong  wrote:
> As the OP (original poster) can see, lots of different methods are used with
> Csound. That is one of the nice things about the simple text-based score
> language; there are lots of ways to generate text. Myself, I use blue, a
> Csound front-end written and maintained by Steven Yi. blue has a version of
> Jython (Java Python) built in, as well as many very useful tools. For
> realtime people most people use either MIDI or more recently sometimes OSC.
> I personally consider MIDI unsatisfactory obsolete technology that is on the
> way out (FINALLY!!!!!), which is why I bought an Eigenharp and hope to
> eventually incorporate Csound with EigenD for realtime performance. But that
> is just me.
> Brian Wong
>
>> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 07:20:33 -0700
>> From: samuelsagan@gmail.com
>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Musical input methods most people use
>>
>> MIDI keyboards and nothing else.
>>
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I should have added that even though I use MIDI with Csound all the
time, it's not always for real-time application. I'll usually load my
Csound instrument into Renoise or Live. I'll then start a live session
controlling my instrument with MIDI sliders. When I start to get
somewhere I hit record and record all the automation from my sliders
into the Renoise session. I then go back and audition what I've done.
I can then tweak the automation manually. I guess it's like playing a
keyboard into Sibelius and then going back after to edit what you've
played. In the end I have a full automated score for my Csound
instrument. On top of that that I let Renoise look after all the MIDI
mapping so I don't have to mess around with MIDI opcodes in Csound.

Rory.


On 9 July 2011 16:26, Brian Wong  wrote:
> The Eigenharp is the only thing I would describe as an actual full-featured
> musical instrument that PLANS to be fully OSC compatible currently, though
> quite a few software OSC applications have been created that use a computer
> as a controller. I don't consider a computer interface (touch screen,
> keyboard, mouse) a real musical instrument. Now if they had Roger Linn's
> pressure sensitive touch screen.......oh but never mind, he can't get
> funding.
> BW
>
>> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 16:16:00 +0100
>> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Re: Musical input methods most people use
>>
>> Speaking of MIDI being on the way out has anyone come across any OSC
>> supported hardware controllers? The poor resolution of MIDI CC
>> messages is a constant PITA.
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>>
>> On 9 July 2011 15:43, Brian Wong  wrote:
>> > As the OP (original poster) can see, lots of different methods are used
>> > with
>> > Csound. That is one of the nice things about the simple text-based score
>> > language; there are lots of ways to generate text. Myself, I use blue, a
>> > Csound front-end written and maintained by Steven Yi. blue has a version
>> > of
>> > Jython (Java Python) built in, as well as many very useful tools. For
>> > realtime people most people use either MIDI or more recently sometimes
>> > OSC.
>> > I personally consider MIDI unsatisfactory obsolete technology that is on
>> > the
>> > way out (FINALLY!!!!!), which is why I bought an Eigenharp and hope to
>> > eventually incorporate Csound with EigenD for realtime performance. But
>> > that
>> > is just me.
>> > Brian Wong
>> >
>> >> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 07:20:33 -0700
>> >> From: samuelsagan@gmail.com
>> >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> >> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Musical input methods most people use
>> >>
>> >> MIDI keyboards and nothing else.
>> >>
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I use my software blue for composing, and within that I use various
ways of score creation depending on the musical needs at the time.  I
often use csound SCO or Python script, though sometimes I use a
PianoRoll or other blue SoundObject.  I think that different types of
musical ideas best work with different representations, and it's a
matter of finding the best tool to represent what you're trying to
create.

For realtime, I only use it for sketch work. I use blueLive which is
within blue, that allows me to work with soundObjects in realtime, as
well as use blue's MIDI system to play instruments too.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Brian Wong  wrote:
> The Eigenharp is the only thing I would describe as an actual full-featured
> musical instrument that PLANS to be fully OSC compatible currently, though
> quite a few software OSC applications have been created that use a computer
> as a controller. I don't consider a computer interface (touch screen,
> keyboard, mouse) a real musical instrument. Now if they had Roger Linn's
> pressure sensitive touch screen.......oh but never mind, he can't get
> funding.
> BW
>
>> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 16:16:00 +0100
>> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Re: Musical input methods most people use
>>
>> Speaking of MIDI being on the way out has anyone come across any OSC
>> supported hardware controllers? The poor resolution of MIDI CC
>> messages is a constant PITA.
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>>
>> On 9 July 2011 15:43, Brian Wong  wrote:
>> > As the OP (original poster) can see, lots of different methods are used
>> > with
>> > Csound. That is one of the nice things about the simple text-based score
>> > language; there are lots of ways to generate text. Myself, I use blue, a
>> > Csound front-end written and maintained by Steven Yi. blue has a version
>> > of
>> > Jython (Java Python) built in, as well as many very useful tools. For
>> > realtime people most people use either MIDI or more recently sometimes
>> > OSC.
>> > I personally consider MIDI unsatisfactory obsolete technology that is on
>> > the
>> > way out (FINALLY!!!!!), which is why I bought an Eigenharp and hope to
>> > eventually incorporate Csound with EigenD for realtime performance. But
>> > that
>> > is just me.
>> > Brian Wong
>> >
>> >> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 07:20:33 -0700
>> >> From: samuelsagan@gmail.com
>> >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> >> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Musical input methods most people use
>> >>
>> >> MIDI keyboards and nothing else.
>> >>
>> >> --
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p.s. it is a real pity more hardware controllers don't support osc :(

On 9 July 2011 16:45, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> I should have added that even though I use MIDI with Csound all the
> time, it's not always for real-time application. I'll usually load my
> Csound instrument into Renoise or Live. I'll then start a live session
> controlling my instrument with MIDI sliders. When I start to get
> somewhere I hit record and record all the automation from my sliders
> into the Renoise session. I then go back and audition what I've done.
> I can then tweak the automation manually. I guess it's like playing a
> keyboard into Sibelius and then going back after to edit what you've
> played. In the end I have a full automated score for my Csound
> instrument. On top of that that I let Renoise look after all the MIDI
> mapping so I don't have to mess around with MIDI opcodes in Csound.
>
> Rory.
>
>
> On 9 July 2011 16:26, Brian Wong  wrote:
>> The Eigenharp is the only thing I would describe as an actual full-featured
>> musical instrument that PLANS to be fully OSC compatible currently, though
>> quite a few software OSC applications have been created that use a computer
>> as a controller. I don't consider a computer interface (touch screen,
>> keyboard, mouse) a real musical instrument. Now if they had Roger Linn's
>> pressure sensitive touch screen.......oh but never mind, he can't get
>> funding.
>> BW
>>
>>> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 16:16:00 +0100
>>> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Re: Musical input methods most people use
>>>
>>> Speaking of MIDI being on the way out has anyone come across any OSC
>>> supported hardware controllers? The poor resolution of MIDI CC
>>> messages is a constant PITA.
>>>
>>> Rory.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 July 2011 15:43, Brian Wong  wrote:
>>> > As the OP (original poster) can see, lots of different methods are used
>>> > with
>>> > Csound. That is one of the nice things about the simple text-based score
>>> > language; there are lots of ways to generate text. Myself, I use blue, a
>>> > Csound front-end written and maintained by Steven Yi. blue has a version
>>> > of
>>> > Jython (Java Python) built in, as well as many very useful tools. For
>>> > realtime people most people use either MIDI or more recently sometimes
>>> > OSC.
>>> > I personally consider MIDI unsatisfactory obsolete technology that is on
>>> > the
>>> > way out (FINALLY!!!!!), which is why I bought an Eigenharp and hope to
>>> > eventually incorporate Csound with EigenD for realtime performance. But
>>> > that
>>> > is just me.
>>> > Brian Wong
>>> >
>>> >> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 07:20:33 -0700
>>> >> From: samuelsagan@gmail.com
>>> >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>> >> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Musical input methods most people use
>>> >>
>>> >> MIDI keyboards and nothing else.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
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I use Steven Yi's blue nearly all of the time, and often use Python
within blue. I have done some work with MIDI controllers (non-keyboard)
with help from Art Hunkins, but would rather use OSC, and am considering
experimenting with that using my Droid as a controller.

I'm also very interested in using my Auduino (a synth based on the
Arduino) as a controller -- my brother has been working with PD using an
Auduino controller via USB, and I'd like to see if I can do this
directly with Csound.

In general, I use Csound for pre-rendered/composed pieces and a motley
collection of pedals and other hardware devices when I improvise in a
live context, but this could change over time.

- Dave

On 7/8/2011 11:49 PM, Arthur Pirika wrote:
> Hi, what method of input do most people use for getting music out of
> cSound? Does anyone still use the traditional score file? Do most use
> midi? or do most use some other form of composing? I'd use nGen, but
> that seems to be hard to get, though I do have a copy. So what other
> music input languages work well with csound?


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I remember reading that Matt Ingalls wrote an opcode for using the
arduino with Csound some time back. You'll have to search the
archives.

On 9 July 2011 17:08, Dave Seidel  wrote:
> I use Steven Yi's blue nearly all of the time, and often use Python
> within blue. I have done some work with MIDI controllers (non-keyboard)
> with help from Art Hunkins, but would rather use OSC, and am considering
> experimenting with that using my Droid as a controller.
>
> I'm also very interested in using my Auduino (a synth based on the
> Arduino) as a controller -- my brother has been working with PD using an
> Auduino controller via USB, and I'd like to see if I can do this
> directly with Csound.
>
> In general, I use Csound for pre-rendered/composed pieces and a motley
> collection of pedals and other hardware devices when I improvise in a
> live context, but this could change over time.
>
> - Dave
>
> On 7/8/2011 11:49 PM, Arthur Pirika wrote:
>> Hi, what method of input do most people use for getting music out of
>> cSound? Does anyone still use the traditional score file? Do most use
>> midi? or do most use some other form of composing? I'd use nGen, but
>> that seems to be hard to get, though I do have a copy. So what other
>> music input languages work well with csound?
>
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If there is an Arduino opcode it would be really wonderful to have it available in this next release.  Any news on this?  Any news on the next release?

Sent from my iPhone.

On Jul 9, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:

> I remember reading that Matt Ingalls wrote an opcode for using the
> arduino with Csound some time back. You'll have to search the
> archives.
> 
> On 9 July 2011 17:08, Dave Seidel  wrote:
>> I use Steven Yi's blue nearly all of the time, and often use Python
>> within blue. I have done some work with MIDI controllers (non-keyboard)
>> with help from Art Hunkins, but would rather use OSC, and am considering
>> experimenting with that using my Droid as a controller.
>> 
>> I'm also very interested in using my Auduino (a synth based on the
>> Arduino) as a controller -- my brother has been working with PD using an
>> Auduino controller via USB, and I'd like to see if I can do this
>> directly with Csound.
>> 
>> In general, I use Csound for pre-rendered/composed pieces and a motley
>> collection of pedals and other hardware devices when I improvise in a
>> live context, but this could change over time.
>> 
>> - Dave
>> 
>> On 7/8/2011 11:49 PM, Arthur Pirika wrote:
>>> Hi, what method of input do most people use for getting music out of
>>> cSound? Does anyone still use the traditional score file? Do most use
>>> midi? or do most use some other form of composing? I'd use nGen, but
>>> that seems to be hard to get, though I do have a copy. So what other
>>> music input languages work well with csound?
>> 
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Hi All...

Thank you for talking about your various processes... It is always 
inspiring. I find this very interesting. Here is my current perspective...

I am still using the "traditional" orc/sco combination. For score 
manipulation I often use Excel. For score generation I use Cmask and 
sometimes Mathematica. Anymore I almost always begin with a set of 
approximately 6 seconds long samples, which are then, through several 
iterations, used to build a composition. It is a 
constructive/deconstructive/reconstructive/combinatorial  process where 
the sample might often be broken down to grains and then built back into 
a completely new sounds and combinations of sounds.

I gather samples from sounds that I record or ones that I synthesize. I 
love working with Absynth and Metasynth to generate the base samples. 
And often friends will contribute samples they gather or create for me 
to work with. Since the micro structure of the base samples has much to 
do with the macro structure of the finished composition, I always 
consider the sample providers to be collaborators...

I am always looking for ways to vary sections of a piece... the old 
theme and variation paradigm. Through the centuries one way to do that 
has been through transposition. Raising or lowering a phrase or section 
by a given interval... a simple variation. But lately I have been using 
exponential functions from a transpositional perspective. This allows 
for a more complex transposition the source of which is often still 
recognizable...

Enjoy!!



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> Hi, what method of input do most people use for getting music out of 
> cSound? Does anyone still use the traditional score file? Do most use 
> midi? or do most use some other form of composing? I'd use nGen, but 
> that seems to be hard to get, though I do have a copy. So what other 
> music input languages work well with csound?
>
>
>
>
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http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/serial-communication-opcodes-for-Arduino-etc-td3244285.html#a3244446

On 9 July 2011 17:20, Michael Rhoades  wrote:
> Hi All...
>
> Thank you for talking about your various processes... It is always
> inspiring. I find this very interesting. Here is my current perspective...
>
> I am still using the "traditional" orc/sco combination. For score
> manipulation I often use Excel. For score generation I use Cmask and
> sometimes Mathematica. Anymore I almost always begin with a set of
> approximately 6 seconds long samples, which are then, through several
> iterations, used to build a composition. It is a
> constructive/deconstructive/reconstructive/combinatorial  process where the
> sample might often be broken down to grains and then built back into a
> completely new sounds and combinations of sounds.
>
> I gather samples from sounds that I record or ones that I synthesize. I love
> working with Absynth and Metasynth to generate the base samples. And often
> friends will contribute samples they gather or create for me to work with.
> Since the micro structure of the base samples has much to do with the macro
> structure of the finished composition, I always consider the sample
> providers to be collaborators...
>
> I am always looking for ways to vary sections of a piece... the old theme
> and variation paradigm. Through the centuries one way to do that has been
> through transposition. Raising or lowering a phrase or section by a given
> interval... a simple variation. But lately I have been using exponential
> functions from a transpositional perspective. This allows for a more complex
> transposition the source of which is often still recognizable...
>
> Enjoy!!
>
>
>
> On 7/8/11 11:49 PM, Arthur Pirika wrote:
>>
>> Hi, what method of input do most people use for getting music out of
>> cSound? Does anyone still use the traditional score file? Do most use midi?
>> or do most use some other form of composing? I'd use nGen, but that seems to
>> be hard to get, though I do have a copy. So what other music input languages
>> work well with csound?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Hello,
for hardware control and OSC - wouldn't it make sense to use an arduino controller (http://www.arduino.cc/ )  - it is relatively cheap and you can attach a number of sliders and buttons to it and write a small interface that sends the info read from the device as OSC messages wherever you need.

I have actually no experience with it but has anybody used arduino in music making?

greetings,
tarmo

On Saturday 09 July 2011 17:43:13 Brian Wong wrote:
> 
> As the OP (original poster) can see, lots of different methods are used with Csound. That is one of the nice things about the simple text-based score language; there are lots of ways to generate text. Myself, I use blue, a Csound front-end written and maintained by Steven Yi. blue has a version of Jython (Java Python) built in, as well as many very useful tools. For realtime people most people use either MIDI or more recently sometimes OSC. I personally consider MIDI unsatisfactory obsolete technology that is on the way out (FINALLY!!!!!), which is why I bought an Eigenharp and hope to eventually incorporate Csound with EigenD for realtime performance. But that is just me.
> Brian Wong
> 
> > Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 07:20:33 -0700
> > From: samuelsagan@gmail.com
> > To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> > Subject: [Csnd] Re: Musical input methods most people use
> > 
> > MIDI keyboards and nothing else.
> > 
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Jacob Joaquin has blogged about it on http://csoundblog.com/.

On 7/9/11, Tarmo Johannes  wrote:
> Hello,
> for hardware control and OSC - wouldn't it make sense to use an arduino
> controller (http://www.arduino.cc/ )  - it is relatively cheap and you can
> attach a number of sliders and buttons to it and write a small interface
> that sends the info read from the device as OSC messages wherever you need.
>
> I have actually no experience with it but has anybody used arduino in music
> making?
>
> greetings,
> tarmo
>
> On Saturday 09 July 2011 17:43:13 Brian Wong wrote:
>>
>> As the OP (original poster) can see, lots of different methods are used
>> with Csound. That is one of the nice things about the simple text-based
>> score language; there are lots of ways to generate text. Myself, I use
>> blue, a Csound front-end written and maintained by Steven Yi. blue has a
>> version of Jython (Java Python) built in, as well as many very useful
>> tools. For realtime people most people use either MIDI or more recently
>> sometimes OSC. I personally consider MIDI unsatisfactory obsolete
>> technology that is on the way out (FINALLY!!!!!), which is why I bought an
>> Eigenharp and hope to eventually incorporate Csound with EigenD for
>> realtime performance. But that is just me.
>> Brian Wong
>>
>> > Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 07:20:33 -0700
>> > From: samuelsagan@gmail.com
>> > To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> > Subject: [Csnd] Re: Musical input methods most people use
>> >
>> > MIDI keyboards and nothing else.
>> >
>> > --
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Here's an example of arduino sending OSC:
http://www.adrianfreed.com/content/oscuino-arduino-osc-sketch-open-sound-control-work

I'm not sure if csound can receive on a serial port, though. You might 
have to go via Pd or Max.

Martin

On 2011-07-09 14:51, Tarmo Johannes wrote:
> Hello,
> for hardware control and OSC - wouldn't it make sense to use an arduino controller (http://www.arduino.cc/ )  - it is relatively cheap and you can attach a number of sliders and buttons to it and write a small interface that sends the info read from the device as OSC messages wherever you need.
>
> I have actually no experience with it but has anybody used arduino in music making?
>
> greetings,
> tarmo
>
> On Saturday 09 July 2011 17:43:13 Brian Wong wrote:
>>
>> As the OP (original poster) can see, lots of different methods are used with Csound. That is one of the nice things about the simple text-based score language; there are lots of ways to generate text. Myself, I use blue, a Csound front-end written and maintained by Steven Yi. blue has a version of Jython (Java Python) built in, as well as many very useful tools. For realtime people most people use either MIDI or more recently sometimes OSC. I personally consider MIDI unsatisfactory obsolete technology that is on the way out (FINALLY!!!!!), which is why I bought an Eigenharp and hope to eventually incorporate Csound with EigenD for realtime performance. But that is just me.
>> Brian Wong
>>
>>> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 07:20:33 -0700
>>> From: samuelsagan@gmail.com
>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Musical input methods most people use
>>>
>>> MIDI keyboards and nothing else.
>>>
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I've also found two articles from the csound journal to be really
helpful. I wrote a couple on midi and microtuning live midi
performance. But the ones I've gotten a lot out of lately are the one
from the latest version on using looping within scores and one a
couple issues back on using dseq.


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Also there's this really good open source project for using OSC on
multiple kinds of mobile devices:
https://github.com/charlieroberts/Control


On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Brian Redfern  wrote:
> I've also found two articles from the csound journal to be really
> helpful. I wrote a couple on midi and microtuning live midi
> performance. But the ones I've gotten a lot out of lately are the one
> from the latest version on using looping within scores and one a
> couple issues back on using dseq.
>


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When using OSC with Arduino, I find it most easy to write a small python
program that accepts the serial input from Arduino and convert it to OSC
messages.

So basically:

Arduino -> serial -> python prog -> OSC -> csound

Richard

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> Maybe if people stopped dumping money, time, and effort into obsolete
> tech

I use MIDI all the time. Very limited but also very useful, well 
supported everywhere; I don't see it on the way out anytime soon. It's a 
standard, which OSC is not.

My 2 cents,

Stef



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One could always write an OSC firmware for the arduino thus
illuminating the need to convert anything.

On 10 July 2011 09:38, zappfinger  wrote:
> When using OSC with Arduino, I find it most easy to write a small python
> program that accepts the serial input from Arduino and convert it to OSC
> messages.
>
> So basically:
>
> Arduino -> serial -> python prog -> OSC -> csound
>
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For fixed compositions I use a Java app that I wrote, which uses  
techniques akin to granular synthesis. This app generates scores,  
typically with thousands of score lines.

For some fixed compositions my orchestra instruments generate the  
"events", using algorithms typically driven by control signals  
generated by other orchestra instruments.

Sometimes I use a MIDI keyboard controller along with Csound or Logic 
+soft-sampler to generate short sequences of sounds which are turned  
into audio files. These files are used as sound source material for  
fixed compositions. At the moment I'm also hand-editing these MIDI  
sequences in preparation for creating my source files.

For real time improvisation I use a wiimote and Nunchuk pair, which,  
via Osculator, generates OSC messages. These are interpreted by my  
orchestra instruments in various ways: some wiimote button presses  
start notes, and button releases end notes. Some button presses start  
sequences of notes, the characteristics of which are determined by the  
orientation of the wiimote/nunchuk.

-Lou

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blue, and occasionally MIDI. But mostly blue.

Michael Bechard

http://soundcloud.com/wodgod/sets



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Sent: Fri, July 8, 2011 10:49:50 PM
Subject: [Csnd] Musical input methods most people use

Hi, what method of input do most people use for getting music out of cSound? 
Does anyone still use the traditional score file? Do most use midi? or do most 
use some other form of composing? I'd use nGen, but that seems to be hard to 
get, though I do have a copy. So what other music input languages work well with 
csound?




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