Dear All,
especially developers, i would like to have a better way to see ftable
graphics.
Sometimes i use displays option to see ftable shape, but the window (i guess
using tk)
stop the realtime play when i put focus on it (ie or You see the graphics or
You listen
at output), and graphic do not seems so clear (easy to read).
I have try postscript display too, and it looks good but with no number of
ftable,
and, obviously, You need to open another program to see image.
I would only like an easy way to see ftable, like the implemented one, but
improved.
I know that i could wrong (and please tell me), and that this is not so
important
feature but only a personal wish.

Thanks,
ciao,
francesco.


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Simon Schampijer developed some nice alternative display functions but
unfortunately they were never added to Csound5. I also find the
display options a little too basic. You could try using QuteCsound's
scope widget?

On 31 March 2011 09:19, francesco  wrote:
> Dear All,
> especially developers, i would like to have a better way to see ftable
> graphics.
> Sometimes i use displays option to see ftable shape, but the window (i guess
> using tk)
> stop the realtime play when i put focus on it (ie or You see the graphics or
> You listen
> at output), and graphic do not seems so clear (easy to read).
> I have try postscript display too, and it looks good but with no number of
> ftable,
> and, obviously, You need to open another program to see image.
> I would only like an easy way to see ftable, like the implemented one, but
> improved.
> I know that i could wrong (and please tell me), and that this is not so
> important
> feature but only a personal wish.
>
> Thanks,
> ciao,
> francesco.
>
>
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Hello Mr. Rory,
yes i could try Qute, but i often use simply Scite or Winxound.
Personally i do prefer really simple and easy way.
This is why i would have that feature.
But i don't know how difficult could be nor if it is intersting for others.

thank You,
ciao,
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It would be very nice if we could export tables as pdf.

P

On 31 March 2011 11:52, francesco  wrote:
> Hello Mr. Rory,
> yes i could try Qute, but i often use simply Scite or Winxound.
> Personally i do prefer really simple and easy way.
> This is why i would have that feature.
> But i don't know how difficult could be nor if it is intersting for others.
>
> thank You,
> ciao,
> francesco.
>
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Dear Mr. Peiman,
You could use -G (--postscriptdisplay) flag to obtain a ps file of tables.
The output is good, only, if i'm right there is no the number of ftable.

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> It would be very nice if we could export tables as pdf.
>
>

You can, at least via Postscript




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A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.

On 31 March 2011 12:22, francesco  wrote:
> Dear Mr. Peiman,
> You could use -G (--postscriptdisplay) flag to obtain a ps file of tables.
> The output is good, only, if i'm right there is no the number of ftable.
>
> ciao,
> francesco.
>
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ahhh that's very nice. Thanks for the info. I never knew that!
Probably the easiest way to generate some visuals for my classes now!

Best,

Peiman

On 31 March 2011 13:10, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>
> On 31 March 2011 12:22, francesco  wrote:
>> Dear Mr. Peiman,
>> You could use -G (--postscriptdisplay) flag to obtain a ps file of tables.
>> The output is good, only, if i'm right there is no the number of ftable.
>>
>> ciao,
>> francesco.
>>
>>
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> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>

I never saw any.

I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/opcodes




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On 31/03/2011 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>
>
> I never saw any.
>
> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/opcodes
>

And indeed surely the whole point of the redesign of Csound was/is so 
that we have the flexibility of multiple ~hosts~ presenting graphics etc 
in whatever way they choose. So long as the engine is able to supply the 
ftable data to the host, that host is free to do what it likes, from raw 
postscript output (or whatever - gnuplot script would  be equally 
useful) to cool 3D animated wireframe pictures complete with shadows.

Richard Dobson


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That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK- 
related code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another  
problem is that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his  
code a bit of a nightmare.

Victor
On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:

>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>
>
> I never saw any.
>
> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/ 
> opcodes
>
>
>
>
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Hi,

Plus we run again into the problem with threading and FLTK. If FLTK
could be run threaded in all platforms that would be fine. But if I
recall correctly, this is problematic. Maybe the best course of action
is writing a minimal command line front end (possibly somewhere simple
like python) which could run Csound on its won thread, while
presenting graphs that perform better than the current ones.

Cheers,
Andres

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> That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-related
> code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
> of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another problem is
> that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
> and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his code a
> bit of a nightmare.
>
> Victor
> On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>
>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>
>>
>> I never saw any.
>>
>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/opcodes
>>
>>
>>
>>
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I was just in the middle of an email proposing the same thing! Would
python be fast enough for that kind of thing? Any experiments I've
done with drawing waveforms with python have been slow, but as it
turns out I'm useless at python so that fact that it worked at all was
enough to make me happy! I guess the main thing would be that we ship
whatever libraries are needed with the Csound install package so users
can work them out of the box.


On 31 March 2011 17:31, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Plus we run again into the problem with threading and FLTK. If FLTK
> could be run threaded in all platforms that would be fine. But if I
> recall correctly, this is problematic. Maybe the best course of action
> is writing a minimal command line front end (possibly somewhere simple
> like python) which could run Csound on its won thread, while
> presenting graphs that perform better than the current ones.
>
> Cheers,
> Andres
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>  wrote:
>> That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-related
>> code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
>> of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another problem is
>> that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
>> and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his code a
>> bit of a nightmare.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>
>>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I never saw any.
>>>
>>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/opcodes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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If python is too slow you could try using java to do it.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> I was just in the middle of an email proposing the same thing! Would
> python be fast enough for that kind of thing? Any experiments I've
> done with drawing waveforms with python have been slow, but as it
> turns out I'm useless at python so that fact that it worked at all was
> enough to make me happy! I guess the main thing would be that we ship
> whatever libraries are needed with the Csound install package so users
> can work them out of the box.
>
>
> On 31 March 2011 17:31, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Plus we run again into the problem with threading and FLTK. If FLTK
>> could be run threaded in all platforms that would be fine. But if I
>> recall correctly, this is problematic. Maybe the best course of action
>> is writing a minimal command line front end (possibly somewhere simple
>> like python) which could run Csound on its won thread, while
>> presenting graphs that perform better than the current ones.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andres
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>>  wrote:
>>> That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-related
>>> code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
>>> of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another problem is
>>> that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
>>> and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his code a
>>> bit of a nightmare.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I never saw any.
>>>>
>>>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/opcodes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Just a thought, but what about Csoundo? (maybe I have the name wrong,
but the Csound for Processing?)
Processing is pretty great at visuals.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Brian Redfern  wrote:
> If python is too slow you could try using java to do it.
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> I was just in the middle of an email proposing the same thing! Would
>> python be fast enough for that kind of thing? Any experiments I've
>> done with drawing waveforms with python have been slow, but as it
>> turns out I'm useless at python so that fact that it worked at all was
>> enough to make me happy! I guess the main thing would be that we ship
>> whatever libraries are needed with the Csound install package so users
>> can work them out of the box.
>>
>>
>> On 31 March 2011 17:31, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Plus we run again into the problem with threading and FLTK. If FLTK
>>> could be run threaded in all platforms that would be fine. But if I
>>> recall correctly, this is problematic. Maybe the best course of action
>>> is writing a minimal command line front end (possibly somewhere simple
>>> like python) which could run Csound on its won thread, while
>>> presenting graphs that perform better than the current ones.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andres
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>  wrote:
>>>> That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-related
>>>> code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
>>>> of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another problem is
>>>> that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
>>>> and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his code a
>>>> bit of a nightmare.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>>>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I never saw any.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/opcodes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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I guess you could create a set of simple applets using Csoundo and
Processing. Channel names could be reserved for use with them such as
"audio_out_time_pressure" and audio_out_fft" or something like that.
Anyone want to give it a shot?!

On 31 March 2011 17:48, Aidan Collins  wrote:
> Just a thought, but what about Csoundo? (maybe I have the name wrong,
> but the Csound for Processing?)
> Processing is pretty great at visuals.
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Brian Redfern  wrote:
>> If python is too slow you could try using java to do it.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> I was just in the middle of an email proposing the same thing! Would
>>> python be fast enough for that kind of thing? Any experiments I've
>>> done with drawing waveforms with python have been slow, but as it
>>> turns out I'm useless at python so that fact that it worked at all was
>>> enough to make me happy! I guess the main thing would be that we ship
>>> whatever libraries are needed with the Csound install package so users
>>> can work them out of the box.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31 March 2011 17:31, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Plus we run again into the problem with threading and FLTK. If FLTK
>>>> could be run threaded in all platforms that would be fine. But if I
>>>> recall correctly, this is problematic. Maybe the best course of action
>>>> is writing a minimal command line front end (possibly somewhere simple
>>>> like python) which could run Csound on its won thread, while
>>>> presenting graphs that perform better than the current ones.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Andres
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-related
>>>>> code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
>>>>> of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another problem is
>>>>> that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
>>>>> and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his code a
>>>>> bit of a nightmare.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>>>>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never saw any.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/opcodes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
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>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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You could do it like that but it would require less user intervention
if you register graph callback functions and do the drawing there.

Cheers,
Andres

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> I guess you could create a set of simple applets using Csoundo and
> Processing. Channel names could be reserved for use with them such as
> "audio_out_time_pressure" and audio_out_fft" or something like that.
> Anyone want to give it a shot?!
>
> On 31 March 2011 17:48, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>> Just a thought, but what about Csoundo? (maybe I have the name wrong,
>> but the Csound for Processing?)
>> Processing is pretty great at visuals.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Brian Redfern  wrote:
>>> If python is too slow you could try using java to do it.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>> I was just in the middle of an email proposing the same thing! Would
>>>> python be fast enough for that kind of thing? Any experiments I've
>>>> done with drawing waveforms with python have been slow, but as it
>>>> turns out I'm useless at python so that fact that it worked at all was
>>>> enough to make me happy! I guess the main thing would be that we ship
>>>> whatever libraries are needed with the Csound install package so users
>>>> can work them out of the box.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 31 March 2011 17:31, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus we run again into the problem with threading and FLTK. If FLTK
>>>>> could be run threaded in all platforms that would be fine. But if I
>>>>> recall correctly, this is problematic. Maybe the best course of action
>>>>> is writing a minimal command line front end (possibly somewhere simple
>>>>> like python) which could run Csound on its won thread, while
>>>>> presenting graphs that perform better than the current ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Andres
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-related
>>>>>> code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
>>>>>> of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another problem is
>>>>>> that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
>>>>>> and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his code a
>>>>>> bit of a nightmare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>> On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>>>>>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I never saw any.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/opcodes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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I have had good luck using OpenGL with LuaJIT+FFI (only available for
the Intel architecture). Csound has a Lua interface, LuaJIT + FFI runs
as fast as C, and LuaJIT's FFI can bind directly to the OpenGL, glu,
and glfw libraries. This might be more learning than you really want
to deal with right now, though. But nothing would be faster.

What is your architecture?

Regards,
Mike

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
> You could do it like that but it would require less user intervention
> if you register graph callback functions and do the drawing there.
>
> Cheers,
> Andres
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> I guess you could create a set of simple applets using Csoundo and
>> Processing. Channel names could be reserved for use with them such as
>> "audio_out_time_pressure" and audio_out_fft" or something like that.
>> Anyone want to give it a shot?!
>>
>> On 31 March 2011 17:48, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>>> Just a thought, but what about Csoundo? (maybe I have the name wrong,
>>> but the Csound for Processing?)
>>> Processing is pretty great at visuals.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Brian Redfern  wrote:
>>>> If python is too slow you could try using java to do it.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>> I was just in the middle of an email proposing the same thing! Would
>>>>> python be fast enough for that kind of thing? Any experiments I've
>>>>> done with drawing waveforms with python have been slow, but as it
>>>>> turns out I'm useless at python so that fact that it worked at all was
>>>>> enough to make me happy! I guess the main thing would be that we ship
>>>>> whatever libraries are needed with the Csound install package so users
>>>>> can work them out of the box.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 31 March 2011 17:31, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plus we run again into the problem with threading and FLTK. If FLTK
>>>>>> could be run threaded in all platforms that would be fine. But if I
>>>>>> recall correctly, this is problematic. Maybe the best course of action
>>>>>> is writing a minimal command line front end (possibly somewhere simple
>>>>>> like python) which could run Csound on its won thread, while
>>>>>> presenting graphs that perform better than the current ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Andres
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-related
>>>>>>> code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
>>>>>>> of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another problem is
>>>>>>> that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
>>>>>>> and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his code a
>>>>>>> bit of a nightmare.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>> On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>>>>>>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I never saw any.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/opcodes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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If I understand FFI correctly you can also do something similar in
python with the weave module. Is there any advantage to the lua FFI
module over the weave module?

Cheers,
Andres

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Michael Gogins
 wrote:
> I have had good luck using OpenGL with LuaJIT+FFI (only available for
> the Intel architecture). Csound has a Lua interface, LuaJIT + FFI runs
> as fast as C, and LuaJIT's FFI can bind directly to the OpenGL, glu,
> and glfw libraries. This might be more learning than you really want
> to deal with right now, though. But nothing would be faster.
>
> What is your architecture?
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>> You could do it like that but it would require less user intervention
>> if you register graph callback functions and do the drawing there.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andres
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> I guess you could create a set of simple applets using Csoundo and
>>> Processing. Channel names could be reserved for use with them such as
>>> "audio_out_time_pressure" and audio_out_fft" or something like that.
>>> Anyone want to give it a shot?!
>>>
>>> On 31 March 2011 17:48, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>>>> Just a thought, but what about Csoundo? (maybe I have the name wrong,
>>>> but the Csound for Processing?)
>>>> Processing is pretty great at visuals.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Brian Redfern  wrote:
>>>>> If python is too slow you could try using java to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>>> I was just in the middle of an email proposing the same thing! Would
>>>>>> python be fast enough for that kind of thing? Any experiments I've
>>>>>> done with drawing waveforms with python have been slow, but as it
>>>>>> turns out I'm useless at python so that fact that it worked at all was
>>>>>> enough to make me happy! I guess the main thing would be that we ship
>>>>>> whatever libraries are needed with the Csound install package so users
>>>>>> can work them out of the box.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31 March 2011 17:31, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus we run again into the problem with threading and FLTK. If FLTK
>>>>>>> could be run threaded in all platforms that would be fine. But if I
>>>>>>> recall correctly, this is problematic. Maybe the best course of action
>>>>>>> is writing a minimal command line front end (possibly somewhere simple
>>>>>>> like python) which could run Csound on its won thread, while
>>>>>>> presenting graphs that perform better than the current ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Andres
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-related
>>>>>>>> code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
>>>>>>>> of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another problem is
>>>>>>>> that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
>>>>>>>> and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his code a
>>>>>>>> bit of a nightmare.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>> On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>>>>>>>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I never saw any.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/opcodes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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I have actively used Lua FFI and only glanced at Weave. But I do know
that Weave can require recompilation of C code and FFI does not. So
this is an advantage. The other one is sheer speed.

Regards,
Mike

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
> If I understand FFI correctly you can also do something similar in
> python with the weave module. Is there any advantage to the lua FFI
> module over the weave module?
>
> Cheers,
> Andres
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Michael Gogins
>  wrote:
>> I have had good luck using OpenGL with LuaJIT+FFI (only available for
>> the Intel architecture). Csound has a Lua interface, LuaJIT + FFI runs
>> as fast as C, and LuaJIT's FFI can bind directly to the OpenGL, glu,
>> and glfw libraries. This might be more learning than you really want
>> to deal with right now, though. But nothing would be faster.
>>
>> What is your architecture?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>> You could do it like that but it would require less user intervention
>>> if you register graph callback functions and do the drawing there.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andres
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>> I guess you could create a set of simple applets using Csoundo and
>>>> Processing. Channel names could be reserved for use with them such as
>>>> "audio_out_time_pressure" and audio_out_fft" or something like that.
>>>> Anyone want to give it a shot?!
>>>>
>>>> On 31 March 2011 17:48, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>>>>> Just a thought, but what about Csoundo? (maybe I have the name wrong,
>>>>> but the Csound for Processing?)
>>>>> Processing is pretty great at visuals.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Brian Redfern  wrote:
>>>>>> If python is too slow you could try using java to do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>>>> I was just in the middle of an email proposing the same thing! Would
>>>>>>> python be fast enough for that kind of thing? Any experiments I've
>>>>>>> done with drawing waveforms with python have been slow, but as it
>>>>>>> turns out I'm useless at python so that fact that it worked at all was
>>>>>>> enough to make me happy! I guess the main thing would be that we ship
>>>>>>> whatever libraries are needed with the Csound install package so users
>>>>>>> can work them out of the box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 31 March 2011 17:31, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plus we run again into the problem with threading and FLTK. If FLTK
>>>>>>>> could be run threaded in all platforms that would be fine. But if I
>>>>>>>> recall correctly, this is problematic. Maybe the best course of action
>>>>>>>> is writing a minimal command line front end (possibly somewhere simple
>>>>>>>> like python) which could run Csound on its won thread, while
>>>>>>>> presenting graphs that perform better than the current ones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Andres
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-related
>>>>>>>>> code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
>>>>>>>>> of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another problem is
>>>>>>>>> that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
>>>>>>>>> and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his code a
>>>>>>>>> bit of a nightmare.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>> On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I never saw any.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/opcodes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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I could whip up something in C++ using the QtOpenGL library that
wouldn't add much size to the Csound install since QtCore and QtGui
are already there.  Preferably, the minimum OpenGL version targeted
would be 2.1 -- that way it won't have to be redesigned for OpenGL ES
or WebGL when the time comes.  Is anybody running a system using an
OpenGL version older than 2.1?

Cheers,
~ andy.f



On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Michael Gogins
 wrote:
> I have had good luck using OpenGL with LuaJIT+FFI (only available for
> the Intel architecture). Csound has a Lua interface, LuaJIT + FFI runs
> as fast as C, and LuaJIT's FFI can bind directly to the OpenGL, glu,
> and glfw libraries. This might be more learning than you really want
> to deal with right now, though. But nothing would be faster.
>
> What is your architecture?
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>> You could do it like that but it would require less user intervention
>> if you register graph callback functions and do the drawing there.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andres
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> I guess you could create a set of simple applets using Csoundo and
>>> Processing. Channel names could be reserved for use with them such as
>>> "audio_out_time_pressure" and audio_out_fft" or something like that.
>>> Anyone want to give it a shot?!
>>>
>>> On 31 March 2011 17:48, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>>>> Just a thought, but what about Csoundo? (maybe I have the name wrong,
>>>> but the Csound for Processing?)
>>>> Processing is pretty great at visuals.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Brian Redfern  wrote:
>>>>> If python is too slow you could try using java to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>>> I was just in the middle of an email proposing the same thing! Would
>>>>>> python be fast enough for that kind of thing? Any experiments I've
>>>>>> done with drawing waveforms with python have been slow, but as it
>>>>>> turns out I'm useless at python so that fact that it worked at all was
>>>>>> enough to make me happy! I guess the main thing would be that we ship
>>>>>> whatever libraries are needed with the Csound install package so users
>>>>>> can work them out of the box.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31 March 2011 17:31, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus we run again into the problem with threading and FLTK. If FLTK
>>>>>>> could be run threaded in all platforms that would be fine. But if I
>>>>>>> recall correctly, this is problematic. Maybe the best course of action
>>>>>>> is writing a minimal command line front end (possibly somewhere simple
>>>>>>> like python) which could run Csound on its won thread, while
>>>>>>> presenting graphs that perform better than the current ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Andres
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-related
>>>>>>>> code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
>>>>>>>> of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another problem is
>>>>>>>> that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
>>>>>>>> and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his code a
>>>>>>>> bit of a nightmare.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>> On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>>>>>>>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I never saw any.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/opcodes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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That sounds great. As far as I know the opcodes I mentioned earlier
which Simon wrote use openGL too. I think Victor may have the source
if it's helpful. There is a journal article about them here:
http://www.csounds.com/journal/2006winter/RAViC.html

Rory.


On 31 March 2011 21:16, andy fillebrown  wrote:
> I could whip up something in C++ using the QtOpenGL library that
> wouldn't add much size to the Csound install since QtCore and QtGui
> are already there.  Preferably, the minimum OpenGL version targeted
> would be 2.1 -- that way it won't have to be redesigned for OpenGL ES
> or WebGL when the time comes.  Is anybody running a system using an
> OpenGL version older than 2.1?
>
> Cheers,
> ~ andy.f
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Michael Gogins
>  wrote:
>> I have had good luck using OpenGL with LuaJIT+FFI (only available for
>> the Intel architecture). Csound has a Lua interface, LuaJIT + FFI runs
>> as fast as C, and LuaJIT's FFI can bind directly to the OpenGL, glu,
>> and glfw libraries. This might be more learning than you really want
>> to deal with right now, though. But nothing would be faster.
>>
>> What is your architecture?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>> You could do it like that but it would require less user intervention
>>> if you register graph callback functions and do the drawing there.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andres
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>> I guess you could create a set of simple applets using Csoundo and
>>>> Processing. Channel names could be reserved for use with them such as
>>>> "audio_out_time_pressure" and audio_out_fft" or something like that.
>>>> Anyone want to give it a shot?!
>>>>
>>>> On 31 March 2011 17:48, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>>>>> Just a thought, but what about Csoundo? (maybe I have the name wrong,
>>>>> but the Csound for Processing?)
>>>>> Processing is pretty great at visuals.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Brian Redfern  wrote:
>>>>>> If python is too slow you could try using java to do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>>>> I was just in the middle of an email proposing the same thing! Would
>>>>>>> python be fast enough for that kind of thing? Any experiments I've
>>>>>>> done with drawing waveforms with python have been slow, but as it
>>>>>>> turns out I'm useless at python so that fact that it worked at all was
>>>>>>> enough to make me happy! I guess the main thing would be that we ship
>>>>>>> whatever libraries are needed with the Csound install package so users
>>>>>>> can work them out of the box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 31 March 2011 17:31, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plus we run again into the problem with threading and FLTK. If FLTK
>>>>>>>> could be run threaded in all platforms that would be fine. But if I
>>>>>>>> recall correctly, this is problematic. Maybe the best course of action
>>>>>>>> is writing a minimal command line front end (possibly somewhere simple
>>>>>>>> like python) which could run Csound on its won thread, while
>>>>>>>> presenting graphs that perform better than the current ones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Andres
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-related
>>>>>>>>> code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
>>>>>>>>> of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another problem is
>>>>>>>>> that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
>>>>>>>>> and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his code a
>>>>>>>>> bit of a nightmare.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>> On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I never saw any.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/opcodes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Having source is always helpful.  I'd probably do it as a standalone
app, though, instead of using opcodes.

~ af



On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> That sounds great. As far as I know the opcodes I mentioned earlier
> which Simon wrote use openGL too. I think Victor may have the source
> if it's helpful. There is a journal article about them here:
> http://www.csounds.com/journal/2006winter/RAViC.html
>
> Rory.
>
>
> On 31 March 2011 21:16, andy fillebrown  wrote:
>> I could whip up something in C++ using the QtOpenGL library that
>> wouldn't add much size to the Csound install since QtCore and QtGui
>> are already there.  Preferably, the minimum OpenGL version targeted
>> would be 2.1 -- that way it won't have to be redesigned for OpenGL ES
>> or WebGL when the time comes.  Is anybody running a system using an
>> OpenGL version older than 2.1?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> ~ andy.f
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Michael Gogins
>>  wrote:
>>> I have had good luck using OpenGL with LuaJIT+FFI (only available for
>>> the Intel architecture). Csound has a Lua interface, LuaJIT + FFI runs
>>> as fast as C, and LuaJIT's FFI can bind directly to the OpenGL, glu,
>>> and glfw libraries. This might be more learning than you really want
>>> to deal with right now, though. But nothing would be faster.
>>>
>>> What is your architecture?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>>> You could do it like that but it would require less user intervention
>>>> if you register graph callback functions and do the drawing there.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Andres
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>> I guess you could create a set of simple applets using Csoundo and
>>>>> Processing. Channel names could be reserved for use with them such as
>>>>> "audio_out_time_pressure" and audio_out_fft" or something like that.
>>>>> Anyone want to give it a shot?!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 31 March 2011 17:48, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>>>>>> Just a thought, but what about Csoundo? (maybe I have the name wrong,
>>>>>> but the Csound for Processing?)
>>>>>> Processing is pretty great at visuals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Brian Redfern  wrote:
>>>>>>> If python is too slow you could try using java to do it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>>>>> I was just in the middle of an email proposing the same thing! Would
>>>>>>>> python be fast enough for that kind of thing? Any experiments I've
>>>>>>>> done with drawing waveforms with python have been slow, but as it
>>>>>>>> turns out I'm useless at python so that fact that it worked at all was
>>>>>>>> enough to make me happy! I guess the main thing would be that we ship
>>>>>>>> whatever libraries are needed with the Csound install package so users
>>>>>>>> can work them out of the box.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 31 March 2011 17:31, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Plus we run again into the problem with threading and FLTK. If FLTK
>>>>>>>>> could be run threaded in all platforms that would be fine. But if I
>>>>>>>>> recall correctly, this is problematic. Maybe the best course of action
>>>>>>>>> is writing a minimal command line front end (possibly somewhere simple
>>>>>>>>> like python) which could run Csound on its won thread, while
>>>>>>>>> presenting graphs that perform better than the current ones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Andres
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-related
>>>>>>>>>> code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
>>>>>>>>>> of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another problem is
>>>>>>>>>> that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
>>>>>>>>>> and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his code a
>>>>>>>>>> bit of a nightmare.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>> On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I never saw any.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/opcodes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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I always really liked the look of MacCsound's ftable displays. You may
feel the same way.


-David


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I actually loved ALL the FLTK code, especially the amazing Improsculpt.
Students actually wanted to use Csound. It made it accessible and was fun.
Now, while I am glad Cecilia is working again, I wonder why we cannot have
Improsculpt working again.
And what happened to Gabriel's version?

Roads we should have taken IMHO.

pp


On 3/31/11 10:10 AM, "Victor Lazzarini"  wrote:

>That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-
>related code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
>of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another
>problem is that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
>and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his
>code a bit of a nightmare.
>
>Victor
>On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>
>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>
>>
>> I never saw any.
>>
>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/
>> opcodes
>>
>>
>>
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I haven't followed the details of this discussion,
but I did take it for grated that we are talking about a new and
better method of working with gui,
and that (as always) we will still be able to run old orchestras using
the old opcodes/method.
Backwards compatibility has always been the rule in Csound, so I'm
sure it will be kept in this case too.

Thanks for the praise on ImproSculpt.
I tested just now, and I have a version of (classic) that runs fine here.
Are you unable to run it?
Now, the old ('classic') version is not developed any further, as I
moved on to "ImproSculpt4" using a combination of Python and Csound.
This version uses Python and wx for all the gui elements. It seems
this version was maybe less popular as an application for others to
use, so I have not put too much effort into maintaining an official
version of it. I still use it from time to time, and occasionally
develop new stuff for it. If there is interest, I am happy to share
it. It requires a number of extra python modules (wx, numpy, pyro,
psyco...), perhaps this is a reason why it has been less used, as it
might be more complicated setting up than the first (csound only)
version.

best
Oeyvind


2011/4/1 Pat Pagano :
> I actually loved ALL the FLTK code, especially the amazing Improsculpt.
> Students actually wanted to use Csound. It made it accessible and was fun.
> Now, while I am glad Cecilia is working again, I wonder why we cannot have
> Improsculpt working again.
> And what happened to Gabriel's version?
>
> Roads we should have taken IMHO.
>
> pp
>
>
> On 3/31/11 10:10 AM, "Victor Lazzarini"  wrote:
>
>>That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-
>>related code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
>>of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another
>>problem is that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
>>and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his
>>code a bit of a nightmare.
>>
>>Victor
>>On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>
>>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I never saw any.
>>>
>>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/
>>> opcodes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>Senior Lecturer
>>Dept. of Music
>>NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>
>>
>>
>>
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... sorry, obviously did mean "take it for granted"
not "grated"
:-)

2011/4/15 Oeyvind Brandtsegg :
> I haven't followed the details of this discussion,
> but I did take it for grated that we are talking about a new and
> better method of working with gui,
> and that (as always) we will still be able to run old orchestras using
> the old opcodes/method.
> Backwards compatibility has always been the rule in Csound, so I'm
> sure it will be kept in this case too.
>
> Thanks for the praise on ImproSculpt.
> I tested just now, and I have a version of (classic) that runs fine here.
> Are you unable to run it?
> Now, the old ('classic') version is not developed any further, as I
> moved on to "ImproSculpt4" using a combination of Python and Csound.
> This version uses Python and wx for all the gui elements. It seems
> this version was maybe less popular as an application for others to
> use, so I have not put too much effort into maintaining an official
> version of it. I still use it from time to time, and occasionally
> develop new stuff for it. If there is interest, I am happy to share
> it. It requires a number of extra python modules (wx, numpy, pyro,
> psyco...), perhaps this is a reason why it has been less used, as it
> might be more complicated setting up than the first (csound only)
> version.
>
> best
> Oeyvind
>
>
> 2011/4/1 Pat Pagano :
>> I actually loved ALL the FLTK code, especially the amazing Improsculpt.
>> Students actually wanted to use Csound. It made it accessible and was fun.
>> Now, while I am glad Cecilia is working again, I wonder why we cannot have
>> Improsculpt working again.
>> And what happened to Gabriel's version?
>>
>> Roads we should have taken IMHO.
>>
>> pp
>>
>>
>> On 3/31/11 10:10 AM, "Victor Lazzarini"  wrote:
>>
>>>That is why I don't think it is a good idea anymore to do any FLTK-
>>>related code. His code was FLTK-based and we saw lots
>>>of issues in terms of platform compatibility at the time. Another
>>>problem is that it was written as csound 5 was being developed
>>>and many changes were introduced that will probably make adapting his
>>>code a bit of a nightmare.
>>>
>>>Victor
>>>On 31 Mar 2011, at 14:48, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>>> A set of good native display widgets in Csound would be really great.
>>>>> It's a pity Simon's display opcodes weren't ever added to Csound 5.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I never saw any.
>>>>
>>>> I still thing that grapohics should be outside the Csound engine/
>>>> opcodes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>>Dept. of Music
>>>NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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