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Re: [Csnd] Old Analog Tape -> WAVs ?

Date2012-04-05 02:48
From"Partev Barr Sarkissian"
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Old Analog Tape -> WAVs ?
Cool article,... have some vague memory of hearing that Tron story 
through the grapevine back then.

Always favored the Ampex tapes up until Quantegy bought them out. 
We used it for a while for the ADAT format, but there were drop-out
and shedding problems, so we went with a special BASF for our store
bought pre-formatted ADAT-VHS (20-bit VHS for digital audio).

Used to be an ADAT repair technician at Alesis, and Eddie Ciletti
was one of the intra-net administrators and tech heads working from
Minneapolis-St Paul area (where he is these days). My boss linked
me up with Eddie four days after starting at Alesis. That was in 
October 2000,... Eddie and have been in touch ever since, doing our
mutual brain picking.

Fun stuff.


-Partev


============================================================

--- jacobjoaquin@gmail.com wrote:

From: Jacob Joaquin 
To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [Csnd] Old Analog Tape -> WAVs ?
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:33:55 -0700

The original TRON soundtrack (one of my personal favorites) had to be
baked. Wendy Carlos told the story of it on her website:

http://www.wendycarlos.com/newsold.html#baketape



On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Partev Barr Sarkissian
 wrote:
> .... oh, and here's the page on his site for tape baking,
>
>
> http://www.tangible-technology.com/tape/baking1.html
>
>
>
> Cheer,
> -Partev
>
> ======================================================
>
> --- encino_man@netscape.com wrote:
>
> From: "Partev Barr Sarkissian" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Old Analog Tape -> WAVs ?
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:20:11 -0700
>
> Ampex 456, if it's 1/2", it can can shed a little. Not as bad as some
> others. Contact Eddie Ciletti of Mix Magazine's "Tech Files". He has
> a whole thing about baking tapes, a chart for tape types and widths,
> and how much time to bake it for, along with some pre-prep stuff to
> know. It's pretty good,...
>
> www.tangible-technology.com/
>
> ... tell him I sent you. He knows his stuff and he's pretty cool.
>
>
> Cheers,
> -Partev
>
>
> ============================================================
>
>
>
>
> --- PeterArmstrong@aya.yale.edu wrote:
>
> From: PMA 
> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Old Analog Tape -> WAVs ?
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:04:28 -0400
>
> Thank you Rich!  (And the first part I should have thought of myself.)
> Pete
>
> richard duckworth wrote:
>> If you sit in on the session, you can give the engineer instructions.  S/he can
>>then automate your decisions into the workstation and you can bring away
>> the mix you desire. If the tape is shedding oxide, it'll need to be baked.  If it's
>>  Ampex 456 from the '80's, it won't be shedding. Don't try baking it
> yourself.
>>
>> Rich Duckworth
>> Lecturer in Music Technology
>> Department of Music
>> House 5
>> Trinity College
>> Dublin 2
>> Ireland
>>
>>
>> Tel 353 1 896 1500
>>
>>
>> It's the most devastating moment in a young mans life, when he quite reasonably says to himself, "I shall never play The Dane!"
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>   From: PMA
>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 18:54
>> Subject: [Csnd] Old Analog Tape ->  WAVs ?
>>
>> Hi List.
>>
>> This is off possibly any Csound topic, so I forgive non-response in advance.
>>
>> I've unearthed here a tape, reel-to-reel analog audio, of a piano recital of
>> mine from 1981 (works of Busoni, Stravinsky, Webern, Ross Lee Finney).
>> I want to have it digitized -- as a WAV file per movement -- in order then
>> to make MP3s for uploading (soon or eventually) to my page at IMSLP.
>>
>> But from painful experience, I don't trust just any audio engineer -- having
>> of course well-preserved&  functioning analog equipment -- to refrain from
>> overriding my musical decisions with his own (say, "turning up" a left-hand
>> accompaniment whose volume I'd spent a zillion practice hours subduing).
>>
>> Any thoughts you may have on this -- what sort of specialist to search out,
>> what source might best predict quality, etc. -- I'd much appreciate.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> PMA
>>
>> P.S.  How brittle this 1/4-inch tape may be, I have no idea.  It is still
>>          snugly wound, certainly, having been played back never once.
>>
>>
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Date2012-04-05 16:35
Fromrichard duckworth
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Old Analog Tape -> WAVs ?
20 bit  ADAT - heh heh  - you're so advanced :-)  I'm still on the 16 bit 'Blackface' ADAT - if it's left on overnight, it works fine! Otherwise:  "Err 7"  "Err 7"  "Err 7" "Err 7" all day..............
   
 
Rich Duckworth
Lecturer in Music Technology
Department of Music
House 5
Trinity College
Dublin 2
Ireland

Tel 353 1 896 1500


It's the most devastating moment in a young mans life, when he quite reasonably says to himself, "I shall never play The Dane!"

From: Partev Barr Sarkissian <encino_man@netscape.com>
To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2012, 2:48
Subject: Re: [Csnd] Old Analog Tape -> WAVs ?

Cool article,... have some vague memory of hearing that Tron story
through the grapevine back then.

Always favored the Ampex tapes up until Quantegy bought them out.
We used it for a while for the ADAT format, but there were drop-out
and shedding problems, so we went with a special BASF for our store
bought pre-formatted ADAT-VHS (20-bit VHS for digital audio).

Used to be an ADAT repair technician at Alesis, and Eddie Ciletti
was one of the intra-net administrators and tech heads working from
Minneapolis-St Paul area (where he is these days). My boss linked
me up with Eddie four days after starting at Alesis. That was in
October 2000,... Eddie and have been in touch ever since, doing our
mutual brain picking.

Fun stuff.


-Partev


============================================================

--- jacobjoaquin@gmail.com wrote:

From: Jacob Joaquin <jacobjoaquin@gmail.com>
To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [Csnd] Old Analog Tape -> WAVs ?
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:33:55 -0700

The original TRON soundtrack (one of my personal favorites) had to be
baked. Wendy Carlos told the story of it on her website:

http://www.wendycarlos.com/newsold.html#baketape



On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Partev Barr Sarkissian
<encino_man@netscape.com> wrote:
> .... oh, and here's the page on his site for tape baking,
>
>
> http://www.tangible-technology.com/tape/baking1.html
>
>
>
> Cheer,
> -Partev
>
> ======================================================
>
> --- encino_man@netscape.com wrote:
>
> From: "Partev Barr Sarkissian" <encino_man@netscape.com>
> To: <csound@lists.bath.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Old Analog Tape -> WAVs ?
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:20:11 -0700
>
> Ampex 456, if it's 1/2", it can can shed a little. Not as bad as some
> others. Contact Eddie Ciletti of Mix Magazine's "Tech Files". He has
> a whole thing about baking tapes, a chart for tape types and widths,
> and how much time to bake it for, along with some pre-prep stuff to
> know. It's pretty good,...
>
> www.tangible-technology.com/
>
> ... tell him I sent you. He knows his stuff and he's pretty cool.
>
>
> Cheers,
> -Partev
>
>
> ============================================================
>
>
>
>
> --- PeterArmstrong@aya.yale.edu wrote:
>
> From: PMA <PeterArmstrong@aya.yale.edu>
> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Old Analog Tape -> WAVs ?
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:04:28 -0400
>
> Thank you Rich!  (And the first part I should have thought of myself.)
> Pete
>
> richard duckworth wrote:
>> If you sit in on the session, you can give the engineer instructions.  S/he can
>>then automate your decisions into the workstation and you can bring away
>> the mix you desire. If the tape is shedding oxide, it'll need to be baked.  If it's
>>  Ampex 456 from the '80's, it won't be shedding. Don't try baking it
> yourself.
>>
>> Rich Duckworth
>> Lecturer in Music Technology
>> Department of Music
>> House 5
>> Trinity College
>> Dublin 2
>> Ireland
>>
>>
>> Tel 353 1 896 1500
>>
>>
>> It's the most devastating moment in a young mans life, when he quite reasonably says to himself, "I shall never play The Dane!"
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>   From: PMA<PeterArmstrong@aya.yale.edu>
>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2012, 18:54
>> Subject: [Csnd] Old Analog Tape ->  WAVs ?
>>
>> Hi List.
>>
>> This is off possibly any Csound topic, so I forgive non-response in advance.
>>
>> I've unearthed here a tape, reel-to-reel analog audio, of a piano recital of
>> mine from 1981 (works of Busoni, Stravinsky, Webern, Ross Lee Finney).
>> I want to have it digitized -- as a WAV file per movement -- in order then
>> to make MP3s for uploading (soon or eventually) to my page at IMSLP.
>>
>> But from painful experience, I don't trust just any audio engineer -- having
>> of course well-preserved&  functioning analog equipment -- to refrain from
>> overriding my musical decisions with his own (say, "turning up" a left-hand
>> accompaniment whose volume I'd spent a zillion practice hours subduing).
>>
>> Any thoughts you may have on this -- what sort of specialist to search out,
>> what source might best predict quality, etc. -- I'd much appreciate.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> PMA
>>
>> P.S.  How brittle this 1/4-inch tape may be, I have no idea.  It is still
>>          snugly wound, certainly, having been played back never once.
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>            https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>
>>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
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>
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