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Date2012-04-06 19:24
FromLouis Cohen
Subject[Csnd] Very brief history of Csound
Today I posted a page on my website describing some of my methods of  
composition.

http://www.jolc.net/musicsite/methodofcomposition.html

The first paragraph is a very brief summary of the history of Csound.

I only know this history from secondary sources - I was not there. I  
would appreciate any corrections.

best,

Lou Cohen


Date2012-04-06 19:48
FromVictor Lazzarini
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Very brief history of Csound
It's fine in general. You can get some more background here: http://www.media.mit.edu/events/EMS/bv-interview.html
On 6 Apr 2012, at 19:24, Louis Cohen wrote:

Today I posted a page on my website describing some of my methods of composition.

http://www.jolc.net/musicsite/methodofcomposition.html

The first paragraph is a very brief summary of the history of Csound.

I only know this history from secondary sources - I was not there. I would appreciate any corrections.

best,

Lou Cohen



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Date2012-04-06 20:08
FromLouis Cohen
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Very brief history of Csound
Thanks, Victor,

Obviously the purpose of the web page is not to provide details about  
Csound. Unless I've misstated something, I don't think I'll go beyond  
what I've written, except possibly to add the link you sent me.

best,
Lou

On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:

> It's fine in general. You can get some more background here: http://www.media.mit.edu/events/EMS/bv-interview.html
> On 6 Apr 2012, at 19:24, Louis Cohen wrote:
>
>> Today I posted a page on my website describing some of my methods  
>> of composition.
>>
>> http://www.jolc.net/musicsite/methodofcomposition.html
>>
>> The first paragraph is a very brief summary of the history of Csound.
>>
>> I only know this history from secondary sources - I was not there.  
>> I would appreciate any corrections.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Lou Cohen
>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
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>> "unsubscribe csound"
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>
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Senior Lecturer
> Dept. of Music
> NUI Maynooth Ireland
> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>
>
>


Date2012-04-06 20:15
FromVictor Lazzarini
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Very brief history of Csound
It has some background on where it came from, MUSIC360, MUSIC11 and the environment that supported its creation (mit ems). I thought it would interest you.

Regards

Victor

On 6 Apr 2012, at 20:08, Louis Cohen wrote:

> Thanks, Victor,
> 
> Obviously the purpose of the web page is not to provide details about Csound. Unless I've misstated something, I don't think I'll go beyond what I've written, except possibly to add the link you sent me.
> 
> best,
> Lou
> 
> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> 
>> It's fine in general. You can get some more background here: http://www.media.mit.edu/events/EMS/bv-interview.html
>> On 6 Apr 2012, at 19:24, Louis Cohen wrote:
>> 
>>> Today I posted a page on my website describing some of my methods of composition.
>>> 
>>> http://www.jolc.net/musicsite/methodofcomposition.html
>>> 
>>> The first paragraph is a very brief summary of the history of Csound.
>>> 
>>> I only know this history from secondary sources - I was not there. I would appreciate any corrections.
>>> 
>>> best,
>>> 
>>> Lou Cohen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>> 
>> 
>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> Senior Lecturer
>> Dept. of Music
>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Dr Victor Lazzarini
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Dept. of Music
NUI Maynooth Ireland
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Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie





Date2012-04-06 20:59
FromMichael Gogins
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Very brief history of Csound
Csound was not originally open source. It became open source as the
result of lobbying by various people, including me. The source code
was always available for download and building, but that is not quite
the same thing as "open source." The license terms were actually quite
different.

Also, the predecessors of Csound should not, strictly speaking, be
considered the "same program" because they were written in different
languages. As far as I know the direct predecessor of Csound is
music11 which was written in assembler for the PDP 11 minicomputer.

Regards,
Mike

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Victor Lazzarini
 wrote:
> It has some background on where it came from, MUSIC360, MUSIC11 and the environment that supported its creation (mit ems). I thought it would interest you.
>
> Regards
>
> Victor
>
> On 6 Apr 2012, at 20:08, Louis Cohen wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Victor,
>>
>> Obviously the purpose of the web page is not to provide details about Csound. Unless I've misstated something, I don't think I'll go beyond what I've written, except possibly to add the link you sent me.
>>
>> best,
>> Lou
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>
>>> It's fine in general. You can get some more background here: http://www.media.mit.edu/events/EMS/bv-interview.html
>>> On 6 Apr 2012, at 19:24, Louis Cohen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Today I posted a page on my website describing some of my methods of composition.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.jolc.net/musicsite/methodofcomposition.html
>>>>
>>>> The first paragraph is a very brief summary of the history of Csound.
>>>>
>>>> I only know this history from secondary sources - I was not there. I would appreciate any corrections.
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>>
>>>> Lou Cohen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>          https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>> Senior Lecturer
>>> Dept. of Music
>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Senior Lecturer
> Dept. of Music
> NUI Maynooth Ireland
> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>
>
>
>
>
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Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com


Date2012-04-06 21:20
FromLouis Cohen
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Very brief history of Csound
Michael,

Thanks for that clarification. I'll tighten up my language a bit. And  
thank you VERY MUCH for lobbying to make Csound open source. I can't  
imagine how I would be composing today without Csound.

Victor pointed me to an on-line interview with Barry Vercoe, which I  
just read. I learned a few fascinating (to me) things. Barry Vercoe  
and I were born in the same year, 1937. And one of the first computers  
he used at MIT was a PDP11/50; when I joined DEC in 1970 I worked on  
the OS for the first PDP11, a paper-tape in/out machine, with a tiny  
random-access disk and DEC-tapes.) (Vercoe's OS was a later OS,  
however.)

Alas, I was completely unaware of all this activity at MIT, even  
though I lived just a few miles away.

-Lou



On Apr 6, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Michael Gogins wrote:

> Csound was not originally open source. It became open source as the
> result of lobbying by various people, including me. The source code
> was always available for download and building, but that is not quite
> the same thing as "open source." The license terms were actually quite
> different.
>
> Also, the predecessors of Csound should not, strictly speaking, be
> considered the "same program" because they were written in different
> languages. As far as I know the direct predecessor of Csound is
> music11 which was written in assembler for the PDP 11 minicomputer.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>  wrote:
>> It has some background on where it came from, MUSIC360, MUSIC11 and  
>> the environment that supported its creation (mit ems). I thought it  
>> would interest you.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Victor
>>
>> On 6 Apr 2012, at 20:08, Louis Cohen wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Victor,
>>>
>>> Obviously the purpose of the web page is not to provide details  
>>> about Csound. Unless I've misstated something, I don't think I'll  
>>> go beyond what I've written, except possibly to add the link you  
>>> sent me.
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Lou
>>>
>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's fine in general. You can get some more background here: http://www.media.mit.edu/events/EMS/bv-interview.html
>>>> On 6 Apr 2012, at 19:24, Louis Cohen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Today I posted a page on my website describing some of my  
>>>>> methods of composition.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.jolc.net/musicsite/methodofcomposition.html
>>>>>
>>>>> The first paragraph is a very brief summary of the history of  
>>>>> Csound.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only know this history from secondary sources - I was not  
>>>>> there. I would appreciate any corrections.
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou Cohen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>          https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body  
>>>>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>>
>>
>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> Senior Lecturer
>> Dept. of Music
>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>
>
>
> -- 
> Michael Gogins
> Irreducible Productions
> http://www.michael-gogins.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
>
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Date2012-04-06 21:28
FromLouis Cohen
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Very brief history of Csound
Thanks to Michael's and Victor's comments, I've tweaked my "history"  
paragraph a bit. I'm always open to further tweaking!

best,
Lou

On Apr 6, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Michael Gogins wrote:

> Csound was not originally open source. It became open source as the
> result of lobbying by various people, including me. The source code
> was always available for download and building, but that is not quite
> the same thing as "open source." The license terms were actually quite
> different.
>
> Also, the predecessors of Csound should not, strictly speaking, be
> considered the "same program" because they were written in different
> languages. As far as I know the direct predecessor of Csound is
> music11 which was written in assembler for the PDP 11 minicomputer.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>  wrote:
>> It has some background on where it came from, MUSIC360, MUSIC11 and  
>> the environment that supported its creation (mit ems). I thought it  
>> would interest you.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Victor
>>
>> On 6 Apr 2012, at 20:08, Louis Cohen wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Victor,
>>>
>>> Obviously the purpose of the web page is not to provide details  
>>> about Csound. Unless I've misstated something, I don't think I'll  
>>> go beyond what I've written, except possibly to add the link you  
>>> sent me.
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Lou
>>>
>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's fine in general. You can get some more background here: http://www.media.mit.edu/events/EMS/bv-interview.html
>>>> On 6 Apr 2012, at 19:24, Louis Cohen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Today I posted a page on my website describing some of my  
>>>>> methods of composition.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.jolc.net/musicsite/methodofcomposition.html
>>>>>
>>>>> The first paragraph is a very brief summary of the history of  
>>>>> Csound.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only know this history from secondary sources - I was not  
>>>>> there. I would appreciate any corrections.
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou Cohen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>          https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body  
>>>>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>>
>>
>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> Senior Lecturer
>> Dept. of Music
>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>
>
>
> -- 
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> Irreducible Productions
> http://www.michael-gogins.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
>
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Date2012-04-07 11:51
Fromfrancesco
Subject[Csnd] Re: Very brief history of Csound
Dear Mr. Lou,
thanks for that. I am going to explore Your works.
I would like to know what language You use for Your program and
(about "generates thousands or tens of thousands of Csound commands")
do You use these for write a global csd or many csd?
Do You use Csound API calls from Your program?
Ok, what i mean is, could You please explain Your method in more detail?
Obviously if You can, wish it ... because it's only a personal curiosity.

Again thanks,
ciao,
francesco.




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Date2012-04-08 13:13
FromLouis Cohen
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Re: Very brief history of Csound
> Dear Mr. Lou,
> thanks for that. I am going to explore Your works.
> I would like to know what language You use for Your program and
> (about "generates thousands or tens of thousands of Csound commands")
> do You use these for write a global csd or many csd?
> Do You use Csound API calls from Your program?
> Ok, what i mean is, could You please explain Your method in more  
> detail?
> Obviously if You can, wish it ... because it's only a personal  
> curiosity.
>
> Again thanks,
> ciao,
> francesco.
>

Dear Francesco,

The program I was referring to is written in JAVA. I think it could be  
classified as a score pre-processor, or a score generator. I have not  
contributed this code to any public libraries because I have not  
documented it very well.

Briefly, the program, which I call "gestures", allows me to describe a  
musical composition as a sequence of sections, each of a specified  
duration, for example 5 seconds, then 10 seconds, then 60 seconds.

During each section, I can specify with great detail how each of 14  
Csound paramaters (p1, p2, p3,...,p14) behaves. Each parameter can be  
given a starting range of possible values and an ending range of  
possible values. The range limits can evolve from the beginning of the  
time period to the end.

The method of evolution can be specified in many ways, for example  
linearly, or along an exponential curve, or along a sinusoidal path,  
etc.

At any moment, some value between the current upper and lower limits  
is selected as the actual value. The method of selection can be the  
average of the current upper and lower limits, or a value randomly  
selected between the limits, and according to a choice of different  
random distributions.

This method of selection of values at any time determines,  
independently, each of 14 p-values. A special case is the  
determination of when the next note should be played - that is, the  
density of notes, also called the "Fundamental" in the jargon of  
granular synthesis.

As for "global" control values: Referring back to the sections that  
the piece is divided up into, I have created a special "section" which  
lasts for the duration of the entire composition. In this section, the  
time span of evolution each parameter is the length of the entire  
piece. In each of the real sections of the piece, each parameter can  
be specified to use its own locally specified evolution, or one of the  
global evolutions, or the product of both.

The primary output of my program is a Csound score file, which in most  
cases is quite large. A secondary output is a ".csv" file with  
essentially the same information in it as the score file. The ".csv"  
can be opened by a spreadsheet program such as Excel or OpenOffice.  
There, the data can be examined graphically by using the spreadsheet  
program's graphing features.

I hope at least some of this is clear. I'll be happy to clarify further!

best,
Lou

On Apr 7, 2012, at 6:51 AM, francesco wrote:

>
>
>
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Date2012-04-08 13:20
FromSteven Yi
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Re: Very brief history of Csound
Hi Lou,

Many thanks for sharing your thoughts and music and giving a bit of
insight into your working process!

steven


On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Louis Cohen  wrote:
>> Dear Mr. Lou,
>> thanks for that. I am going to explore Your works.
>> I would like to know what language You use for Your program and
>> (about "generates thousands or tens of thousands of Csound commands")
>> do You use these for write a global csd or many csd?
>> Do You use Csound API calls from Your program?
>> Ok, what i mean is, could You please explain Your method in more detail?
>> Obviously if You can, wish it ... because it's only a personal curiosity.
>>
>> Again thanks,
>> ciao,
>> francesco.
>>
>
> Dear Francesco,
>
> The program I was referring to is written in JAVA. I think it could be
> classified as a score pre-processor, or a score generator. I have not
> contributed this code to any public libraries because I have not documented
> it very well.
>
> Briefly, the program, which I call "gestures", allows me to describe a
> musical composition as a sequence of sections, each of a specified duration,
> for example 5 seconds, then 10 seconds, then 60 seconds.
>
> During each section, I can specify with great detail how each of 14 Csound
> paramaters (p1, p2, p3,...,p14) behaves. Each parameter can be given a
> starting range of possible values and an ending range of possible values.
> The range limits can evolve from the beginning of the time period to the
> end.
>
> The method of evolution can be specified in many ways, for example linearly,
> or along an exponential curve, or along a sinusoidal path, etc.
>
> At any moment, some value between the current upper and lower limits is
> selected as the actual value. The method of selection can be the average of
> the current upper and lower limits, or a value randomly selected between the
> limits, and according to a choice of different random distributions.
>
> This method of selection of values at any time determines, independently,
> each of 14 p-values. A special case is the determination of when the next
> note should be played - that is, the density of notes, also called the
> "Fundamental" in the jargon of granular synthesis.
>
> As for "global" control values: Referring back to the sections that the
> piece is divided up into, I have created a special "section" which lasts for
> the duration of the entire composition. In this section, the time span of
> evolution each parameter is the length of the entire piece. In each of the
> real sections of the piece, each parameter can be specified to use its own
> locally specified evolution, or one of the global evolutions, or the product
> of both.
>
> The primary output of my program is a Csound score file, which in most cases
> is quite large. A secondary output is a ".csv" file with essentially the
> same information in it as the score file. The ".csv" can be opened by a
> spreadsheet program such as Excel or OpenOffice. There, the data can be
> examined graphically by using the spreadsheet program's graphing features.
>
> I hope at least some of this is clear. I'll be happy to clarify further!
>
> best,
> Lou
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2012, at 6:51 AM, francesco wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
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Date2012-04-08 15:00
FromVictor Lazzarini
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Very brief history of Csound
A bit OT, but looking at the MUSIC360 manual, I see it was a formidable system, way ahead of the competition back in 68-9 when it was conceived. As a language, certainly beyond any of the MUSIC IV derivatives, including MUSIC V. Kudos to Barry Vercoe for coming up with it, in what looks like a short period of time at Princeton. Much of what we see in Csound was already there. This includes the misspelling of allpass as alpass ;)

Regards

Victor

On 6 Apr 2012, at 21:28, Louis Cohen wrote:

> Thanks to Michael's and Victor's comments, I've tweaked my "history" paragraph a bit. I'm always open to further tweaking!
> 
> best,
> Lou
> 
> On Apr 6, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Michael Gogins wrote:
> 
>> Csound was not originally open source. It became open source as the
>> result of lobbying by various people, including me. The source code
>> was always available for download and building, but that is not quite
>> the same thing as "open source." The license terms were actually quite
>> different.
>> 
>> Also, the predecessors of Csound should not, strictly speaking, be
>> considered the "same program" because they were written in different
>> languages. As far as I know the direct predecessor of Csound is
>> music11 which was written in assembler for the PDP 11 minicomputer.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Victor Lazzarini
>>  wrote:
>>> It has some background on where it came from, MUSIC360, MUSIC11 and the environment that supported its creation (mit ems). I thought it would interest you.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Victor
>>> 
>>> On 6 Apr 2012, at 20:08, Louis Cohen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Victor,
>>>> 
>>>> Obviously the purpose of the web page is not to provide details about Csound. Unless I've misstated something, I don't think I'll go beyond what I've written, except possibly to add the link you sent me.
>>>> 
>>>> best,
>>>> Lou
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 6, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> It's fine in general. You can get some more background here: http://www.media.mit.edu/events/EMS/bv-interview.html
>>>>> On 6 Apr 2012, at 19:24, Louis Cohen wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Today I posted a page on my website describing some of my methods of composition.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.jolc.net/musicsite/methodofcomposition.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The first paragraph is a very brief summary of the history of Csound.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I only know this history from secondary sources - I was not there. I would appreciate any corrections.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lou Cohen
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
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>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>> Senior Lecturer
>>> Dept. of Music
>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
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NUI Maynooth Ireland
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Date2012-04-08 15:11
Fromjpff@cs.bath.ac.uk
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Very brief history of Csound
>   This includes the misspelling of allpass as alpass ;)
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Date2012-04-08 15:13
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Very brief history of Csound
that was the reason?

On Sunday, 8 April 2012,  <jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> wrote:
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>>   This includes the misspelling of allpass as alpass ;)
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Date2012-04-11 11:54
Fromfrancesco
Subject[Csnd] Re: Very brief history of Csound
Hello Mr. Lou,
many thanks and yes i have understand enough. It's exactly what i was asking
for.
So again thanks; perhaps listening Your works i will need some other
questions.
Hoping not noising.

Ciao,
francesco.


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