A while back, I complained about csound taking a ridiculous
amount of time so make a score.srt on large scores.  john was
kind enough to replace (or make available?) a new sorting
algorithm that sped things up by a couple of orders or so.

Today, wanting to use VST plugins in my scores, I put csound
and cygwin on my machine.  I had been running csound in Linux
VM on Windows 7.

So everything seems to work ok.  I'm running the windows
csound from cygwin, and it's all very cool, but the score
sorting problem is back.  I have a robust machine, but
it's taking a minute to sort a 32000 line score.

So I was wondering whether the new sort algo didn't make
it into the windows version, or whether I can turn it on
somehow.

Csound version 5.17 (double samples) Mar 19 2012

I used this file to install: Csound5.17-gnu-win32-d

Thanks!

Tobiah

Why do you need cygwin? Maybe there is something else the matter.
On 8 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Tobiah wrote:

> A while back, I complained about csound taking a ridiculous
> amount of time so make a score.srt on large scores.  john was
> kind enough to replace (or make available?) a new sorting
> algorithm that sped things up by a couple of orders or so.
> 
> Today, wanting to use VST plugins in my scores, I put csound
> and cygwin on my machine.  I had been running csound in Linux
> VM on Windows 7.
> 
> So everything seems to work ok.  I'm running the windows
> csound from cygwin, and it's all very cool, but the score
> sorting problem is back.  I have a robust machine, but
> it's taking a minute to sort a 32000 line score.
> 
> So I was wondering whether the new sort algo didn't make
> it into the windows version, or whether I can turn it on
> somehow.
> 
> Csound version 5.17 (double samples) Mar 19 2012
> 
> I used this file to install: Csound5.17-gnu-win32-d
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Tobiah
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
> 

Dr Victor Lazzarini
Senior Lecturer
Dept. of Music
NUI Maynooth Ireland
tel.: +353 1 708 3545
Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie

On 4/8/2012 1:42 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> Why do you need cygwin? Maybe there is something else the matter.
> On 8 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Tobiah wrote:

I need cygwin because I'm coming from Linux and my composition
environment is shell based.  I want to use csound with score
gen scripts to trigger VSTi plugins algorithmically, so cygwin
is my way to run windows csound from the linuxy shell.

Everything is working fine, but the forgotten slow sorting is
back.  This was only fixed two years ago.  Here is some of
the discussion:

#########################################
jpff wrote: (Mar 12, 2010)
 > There is an "improved" sore sorter in the file Engine/smoothsort.c
 > which is a straight replacement for Engine/sort.c

(me)
Incredible improvement!!

I made a simple score with random p-fields composed of 900,000 events.
The new sort finished the job in about 10 seconds.  I tried my old binary,
and waited, and waited, browsed the web, checked my email.  I gave up.
I took the size down an order of magnitude to 90,000 events.  The old
binary took almost two minutes to sort that, while the new sorter took
about exactly one second!
#######################################

So I'm wondering whether windows is still using sort.c.

Thanks!

Tobiah



>> A while back, I complained about csound taking a ridiculous
>> amount of time so make a score.srt on large scores.  john was
>> kind enough to replace (or make available?) a new sorting
>> algorithm that sped things up by a couple of orders or so.
>>
>> Today, wanting to use VST plugins in my scores, I put csound
>> and cygwin on my machine.  I had been running csound in Linux
>> VM on Windows 7.
>>
>> So everything seems to work ok.  I'm running the windows
>> csound from cygwin, and it's all very cool, but the score
>> sorting problem is back.  I have a robust machine, but
>> it's taking a minute to sort a 32000 line score.
>>
>> So I was wondering whether the new sort algo didn't make
>> it into the windows version, or whether I can turn it on
>> somehow.
>>
>> Csound version 5.17 (double samples) Mar 19 2012
>>
>> I used this file to install: Csound5.17-gnu-win32-d
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Tobiah
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>            https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>
>
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Senior Lecturer
> Dept. of Music
> NUI Maynooth Ireland
> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>
>
>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>              https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>

Tito made some changes to score sorting but it was after 5.17.

Tobiah: did you build csound or use installer?

On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Victor Lazzarini
 wrote:
> Why do you need cygwin? Maybe there is something else the matter.
> On 8 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Tobiah wrote:
>
>> A while back, I complained about csound taking a ridiculous
>> amount of time so make a score.srt on large scores.  john was
>> kind enough to replace (or make available?) a new sorting
>> algorithm that sped things up by a couple of orders or so.
>>
>> Today, wanting to use VST plugins in my scores, I put csound
>> and cygwin on my machine.  I had been running csound in Linux
>> VM on Windows 7.
>>
>> So everything seems to work ok.  I'm running the windows
>> csound from cygwin, and it's all very cool, but the score
>> sorting problem is back.  I have a robust machine, but
>> it's taking a minute to sort a 32000 line score.
>>
>> So I was wondering whether the new sort algo didn't make
>> it into the windows version, or whether I can turn it on
>> somehow.
>>
>> Csound version 5.17 (double samples) Mar 19 2012
>>
>> I used this file to install: Csound5.17-gnu-win32-d
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Tobiah
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>
>
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Senior Lecturer
> Dept. of Music
> NUI Maynooth Ireland
> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>
>
>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>            https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>

Yes, but do you need Cygwin? What is the problem with the Windows commandline command.com?
Sorry, I am just curious.

Did you try sorting on Linux to see if there is a difference?

Victor
On 8 Apr 2012, at 21:53, Tobiah wrote:

> On 4/8/2012 1:42 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> Why do you need cygwin? Maybe there is something else the matter.
>> On 8 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Tobiah wrote:
> 
> I need cygwin because I'm coming from Linux and my composition
> environment is shell based.  I want to use csound with score
> gen scripts to trigger VSTi plugins algorithmically, so cygwin
> is my way to run windows csound from the linuxy shell.
> 
> Everything is working fine, but the forgotten slow sorting is
> back.  This was only fixed two years ago.  Here is some of
> the discussion:
> 
> #########################################
> jpff wrote: (Mar 12, 2010)
> > There is an "improved" sore sorter in the file Engine/smoothsort.c
> > which is a straight replacement for Engine/sort.c
> 
> (me)
> Incredible improvement!!
> 
> I made a simple score with random p-fields composed of 900,000 events.
> The new sort finished the job in about 10 seconds.  I tried my old binary,
> and waited, and waited, browsed the web, checked my email.  I gave up.
> I took the size down an order of magnitude to 90,000 events.  The old
> binary took almost two minutes to sort that, while the new sorter took
> about exactly one second!
> #######################################
> 
> So I'm wondering whether windows is still using sort.c.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Tobiah
> 
> 
> 
>>> A while back, I complained about csound taking a ridiculous
>>> amount of time so make a score.srt on large scores.  john was
>>> kind enough to replace (or make available?) a new sorting
>>> algorithm that sped things up by a couple of orders or so.
>>> 
>>> Today, wanting to use VST plugins in my scores, I put csound
>>> and cygwin on my machine.  I had been running csound in Linux
>>> VM on Windows 7.
>>> 
>>> So everything seems to work ok.  I'm running the windows
>>> csound from cygwin, and it's all very cool, but the score
>>> sorting problem is back.  I have a robust machine, but
>>> it's taking a minute to sort a 32000 line score.
>>> 
>>> So I was wondering whether the new sort algo didn't make
>>> it into the windows version, or whether I can turn it on
>>> somehow.
>>> 
>>> Csound version 5.17 (double samples) Mar 19 2012
>>> 
>>> I used this file to install: Csound5.17-gnu-win32-d
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Tobiah
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>> 
>> 
>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> Senior Lecturer
>> Dept. of Music
>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
> 

Dr Victor Lazzarini
Senior Lecturer
Dept. of Music
NUI Maynooth Ireland
tel.: +353 1 708 3545
Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie

On 04/08/2012 01:55 PM, Steven Yi wrote:
> Tito made some changes to score sorting but it was after 5.17.
> 
> Tobiah: did you build csound or use installer?

I used the installer Csound5.17-gnu-win32-d.exe from
sourceforge.  Isn't Cygwin just acting as a program
launcher for the windows binary?  It seems as though
Cygwin would not affect the performance after launch,
but then I didn't try running from the cmd window.

Toby

On 04/08/2012 02:05 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> Yes, but do you need Cygwin? What is the problem with the Windows commandline command.com?
> Sorry, I am just curious.

I just love the power of bash and all of the
GNU Unixy goodness that one expects to be available
on a Linux box.   Make, grep diff vim, tab completion
syntax highlighting, you name it.  Cygwin seemed like
an easy choice, and I was familiar with it.  I'll try out the
mingw/msys suggestion.   I'm sure there are many other
ways.  I'm open to anything.  Heck, command.com *still*
won't open to more than 80 columns.  Yucky.

Toby


> 
> Did you try sorting on Linux to see if there is a difference?
> 
> Victor
> On 8 Apr 2012, at 21:53, Tobiah wrote:
> 
>> On 4/8/2012 1:42 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>> Why do you need cygwin? Maybe there is something else the matter.
>>> On 8 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Tobiah wrote:
>>
>> I need cygwin because I'm coming from Linux and my composition
>> environment is shell based.  I want to use csound with score
>> gen scripts to trigger VSTi plugins algorithmically, so cygwin
>> is my way to run windows csound from the linuxy shell.
>>
>> Everything is working fine, but the forgotten slow sorting is
>> back.  This was only fixed two years ago.  Here is some of
>> the discussion:
>>
>> #########################################
>> jpff wrote: (Mar 12, 2010)
>>> There is an "improved" sore sorter in the file Engine/smoothsort.c
>>> which is a straight replacement for Engine/sort.c
>>
>> (me)
>> Incredible improvement!!
>>
>> I made a simple score with random p-fields composed of 900,000 events.
>> The new sort finished the job in about 10 seconds.  I tried my old binary,
>> and waited, and waited, browsed the web, checked my email.  I gave up.
>> I took the size down an order of magnitude to 90,000 events.  The old
>> binary took almost two minutes to sort that, while the new sorter took
>> about exactly one second!
>> #######################################
>>
>> So I'm wondering whether windows is still using sort.c.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Tobiah
>>
>>
>>
>>>> A while back, I complained about csound taking a ridiculous
>>>> amount of time so make a score.srt on large scores.  john was
>>>> kind enough to replace (or make available?) a new sorting
>>>> algorithm that sped things up by a couple of orders or so.
>>>>
>>>> Today, wanting to use VST plugins in my scores, I put csound
>>>> and cygwin on my machine.  I had been running csound in Linux
>>>> VM on Windows 7.
>>>>
>>>> So everything seems to work ok.  I'm running the windows
>>>> csound from cygwin, and it's all very cool, but the score
>>>> sorting problem is back.  I have a robust machine, but
>>>> it's taking a minute to sort a 32000 line score.
>>>>
>>>> So I was wondering whether the new sort algo didn't make
>>>> it into the windows version, or whether I can turn it on
>>>> somehow.
>>>>
>>>> Csound version 5.17 (double samples) Mar 19 2012
>>>>
>>>> I used this file to install: Csound5.17-gnu-win32-d
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Tobiah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>> Senior Lecturer
>>> Dept. of Music
>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>
> 
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Senior Lecturer
> Dept. of Music
> NUI Maynooth Ireland
> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
> 

You can get bash etc. autotools and such like with MSys, which acts
like a GNU/Linux environment.

The Windows cmd console will open with any number of columns, if you
tell it to. In the console window, use the Properties dialog to do
that. It opens off the left upper corner button.

Regards,
Mike

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Toby  wrote:
> On 04/08/2012 02:05 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> Yes, but do you need Cygwin? What is the problem with the Windows commandline command.com?
>> Sorry, I am just curious.
>
> I just love the power of bash and all of the
> GNU Unixy goodness that one expects to be available
> on a Linux box.   Make, grep diff vim, tab completion
> syntax highlighting, you name it.  Cygwin seemed like
> an easy choice, and I was familiar with it.  I'll try out the
> mingw/msys suggestion.   I'm sure there are many other
> ways.  I'm open to anything.  Heck, command.com *still*
> won't open to more than 80 columns.  Yucky.
>
> Toby
>
>
>>
>> Did you try sorting on Linux to see if there is a difference?
>>
>> Victor
>> On 8 Apr 2012, at 21:53, Tobiah wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/8/2012 1:42 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>> Why do you need cygwin? Maybe there is something else the matter.
>>>> On 8 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Tobiah wrote:
>>>
>>> I need cygwin because I'm coming from Linux and my composition
>>> environment is shell based.  I want to use csound with score
>>> gen scripts to trigger VSTi plugins algorithmically, so cygwin
>>> is my way to run windows csound from the linuxy shell.
>>>
>>> Everything is working fine, but the forgotten slow sorting is
>>> back.  This was only fixed two years ago.  Here is some of
>>> the discussion:
>>>
>>> #########################################
>>> jpff wrote: (Mar 12, 2010)
>>>> There is an "improved" sore sorter in the file Engine/smoothsort.c
>>>> which is a straight replacement for Engine/sort.c
>>>
>>> (me)
>>> Incredible improvement!!
>>>
>>> I made a simple score with random p-fields composed of 900,000 events.
>>> The new sort finished the job in about 10 seconds.  I tried my old binary,
>>> and waited, and waited, browsed the web, checked my email.  I gave up.
>>> I took the size down an order of magnitude to 90,000 events.  The old
>>> binary took almost two minutes to sort that, while the new sorter took
>>> about exactly one second!
>>> #######################################
>>>
>>> So I'm wondering whether windows is still using sort.c.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Tobiah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> A while back, I complained about csound taking a ridiculous
>>>>> amount of time so make a score.srt on large scores.  john was
>>>>> kind enough to replace (or make available?) a new sorting
>>>>> algorithm that sped things up by a couple of orders or so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today, wanting to use VST plugins in my scores, I put csound
>>>>> and cygwin on my machine.  I had been running csound in Linux
>>>>> VM on Windows 7.
>>>>>
>>>>> So everything seems to work ok.  I'm running the windows
>>>>> csound from cygwin, and it's all very cool, but the score
>>>>> sorting problem is back.  I have a robust machine, but
>>>>> it's taking a minute to sort a 32000 line score.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I was wondering whether the new sort algo didn't make
>>>>> it into the windows version, or whether I can turn it on
>>>>> somehow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Csound version 5.17 (double samples) Mar 19 2012
>>>>>
>>>>> I used this file to install: Csound5.17-gnu-win32-d
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tobiah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>           https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>>
>>
>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> Senior Lecturer
>> Dept. of Music
>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>
>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>            https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>



-- 
Michael Gogins
Irreducible Productions
http://www.michael-gogins.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com

On 04/09/2012 09:17 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:
> You can get bash etc. autotools and such like with MSys, which acts
> like a GNU/Linux environment.

Thanks, I'll definitely check it out.  So far, I've only used
Windows for video games, Finale, Reaper, etc...  Never programming.
I haven't looked any farther than Cygwin for native
Linux like environments, so any suggestions as to the best
way to achieve that are certainly welcome.

Oh, symbolic links are another thing sorely missed.  I tried
linking to windows directories from Cygwin to avoid the nastiness
of things like 'Program Files (x86)', but csound found only the
link file itself, and would not follow it.

Thanks,

Toby

> The Windows cmd console will open with any number of columns, if you
> tell it to. In the console window, use the Properties dialog to do
> that. It opens off the left upper corner button.

Praise be!  I had no idea.  Thanks for that.

Tobiah