"By - by - by the way: the album is called "Switched on Bach"---
Thanks for catching that typo,... zipping thru emails during a meal 
break, didn't have a chance to spell check. Thanks!

The Walter/Wendy thing is more of a chronological frame of 
reference across the different musical stages of her life. Always 
loved her work, it's seminal work in ways that me and my musician 
friends are still trying to fathom, even after all these decades.

Just discussing today about the differences between doing an 
album of just music, verses scoring a film. As a colleage put it,
with just music, the emotion comes from within, while doing music 
for film is more about what the images evoke. I can hear the difference
between "Switched On Bach" and "Tron". Both excellent, a certain
span of growth and versitility. W. Carlos, still damn good after
all this time, the one we (my mates and I) all look to when it comes 
to electronic music. For us, it's a trek to the well spring.
Sorry if you thought I was being cheeky. Just distinguising the 
different periods of reference in Carlos' musical time span.

I was reminded of "Apocalypse Now" and how noise generators and 
modulation of the sounds used help get the emboucher effect when 
puckering lips to a mouthpiece to do an F-Horn sound. Then filters 
and a well formed envelop. A freind of mine was there when some of 
that was recorded and saw how they got that 
'blowing into the mouthpiece' sound that they got.

These days, digital waveguides and physical modeling is the thing,
for doing that sort of sound creation and processing. IEEE Signal
Processing Magazine did an issue that looked at audio synthesis and 
processing, including a paper on digital waveguide/modeling of a 
brass mouthpiece. I think that was in Summer of 2008.


-Partev



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--- jana@ebene11.de wrote:

From: Jana 
To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: brassy sound
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:46:07 +0200

  Yes, noise generators are a valuable source even in current modular 
systems...

By the way: do you have any problems with the fact that there was never 
a "real" Walter Carlos?! Otherwise there's no reason to mention this 
over and over again. I didn't notice any change in sound of the old 
recordings since then...

By - by - by the way: the album is called "Switched on Bach"

Best,
Jana


Am 10.09.2010 22:34, schrieb Partev Barr Sarkissian:
> "Switch On Bach", back when Wendy was Walter. Modular systems during that
> time used to to have a Noise Generator module (Pink and White I think).
> Check out the noise opcodes in the Csound opcode list. There's a Random
> Noise opcode I like to use and then run thru filters before its final
> destnation.
>
>
> -Partev



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On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Partev Barr Sarkissian
 wrote:
> "By - by - by the way: the album is called "Switched on Bach"---
> Thanks for catching that typo,... zipping thru emails during a meal
> break, didn't have a chance to spell check. Thanks!
>
> The Walter/Wendy thing is more of a chronological frame of
> reference across the different musical stages of her life. Always
> loved her work, it's seminal work in ways that me and my musician
> friends are still trying to fathom, even after all these decades.


I don't think most people mean harm when they bring up Walter/Wendy,
but in my opinion it's most respectful to call her Wendy and leave it
at that. Read some of her website... it is obvious that a great number
of people have disrespected her, and callous and judgmental people
have brought pain to her life. That's not what you're doing, but on
the other hand, I think the most positive effect we can have is to
call her by the name she chose to represent her real self. Just my
opinion. Take it or leave it.



>
> I was reminded of "Apocalypse Now" and how noise generators and
> modulation of the sounds used help get the emboucher effect when
> puckering lips to a mouthpiece to do an F-Horn sound. Then filters
> and a well formed envelop. A freind of mine was there when some of
> that was recorded and saw how they got that
> 'blowing into the mouthpiece' sound that they got.
>
> These days, digital waveguides and physical modeling is the thing,
> for doing that sort of sound creation and processing. IEEE Signal
> Processing Magazine did an issue that looked at audio synthesis and
> processing, including a paper on digital waveguide/modeling of a
> brass mouthpiece. I think that was in Summer of 2008.

I am not really experienced with older and newer forms of synthesis,
but I have noticed that the older analog synthesis has a more organic
feel to it. Clearly it imitates brass, or strings, or whatever, but it
is also "its own thing."

Maybe that's my opinion because Wendy does it so well.

Whereas newer digital methods sometimes lose a heart and soul. It's
like they are trying so hard to imitate something else that they don't
have their own identity any more.

Maybe that's because I haven't heard a lot of the newer stuff done well.

I would be interested in knowing of a recent synthesized piece that
imitates brass well.

(What really seems to lack a soul is samplers. Somehow a live
instrument comes out sounding so dead. Again, maybe this is just my
ill-informed opinion.)


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Oh, speaking of Switched-on Bach and The Well Tempered Synthesizer,
I'm listening to the latter right now through headphones and, oh my it
is bright. It's great to have lots of high harmonics, really brings
things alive, that's a critical part of acoustic music too---but I
think perhaps this album was originally intended for speakers, or
perhaps compensating for the high-frequency losses that an LP would
suffer.

My headphones (the AKG K601) are not a bright  headphone, either. But
I think they give me higher resolution in the upper octaves than I
would get through basic speakers.


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Am 11.09.2010 04:59, schrieb Johann Bach:

> [...] but in my opinion it's most respectful to call her Wendy and 
> leave it at that. Read some of her website... it is obvious that a 
> great number of people have disrespected her, and callous and 
> judgmental people have brought pain to her life. That's not what 
> you're doing, but on the other hand, I think the most positive effect 
> we can have is to call her by the name she chose to represent her real 
> self. Just my opinion. Take it or leave it. 

That's the only thing i wanted to say. Sorry if my words were a little 
bit too harsh, but in a very special way i know of that pain she had...

Best,
Jana




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