Michael and everyone,

now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few  
suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences  
we had with Mac users.
Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single  
donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the  
release
for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a lot  
of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with  
Csound, which also seems to be useful.

So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:  
qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already  
provided) and
the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his  
collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.

Thanks

Victor



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Victor and everyone,

Happy to oblige.

On the Mac, it has been nice (especially for beginners - or returning  
Csounders) to download the latest from SourceForge and get everything  
they need to use, explore, discover and be "inspired" by Csound (right  
out of the box).  Right there in that single Csound folder.

It would be great if all the release versions for all three major  
platforms included this more "complete" package. (include the same  
"expanded" package whatever that might be)

The collection of instrument models of which Victor is speaking comes  
from The Best of The Csound Catalog, Assorted Chapters and Tutorials  
from The Csound Book, and a lot of the materials that I have been  
collecting over the years.  It was originally prepared for release  
with the OLPC laptops.  Many have appreciated having this set of  
models - especially the MIDI and General MIDI instruments.

Dr. B.


On Sep 18, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:

> Michael and everyone,
>
> now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few  
> suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences  
> we had with Mac users.
> Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single  
> donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the  
> release
> for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a  
> lot of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
> Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with  
> Csound, which also seems to be useful.
>
> So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:  
> qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already  
> provided) and
> the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his  
> collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.
>
> Thanks
>
> Victor
>
>
>
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It already has all you suggested.

MKG from cell phone

On Sep 18, 2010 9:51 AM, "Victor Lazzarini" <Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie> wrote:

Michael and everyone,

now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences we had with Mac users.
Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the release
for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a lot of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with Csound, which also seems to be useful.

So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be: qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already provided) and
the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.

Thanks

Victor



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I agree, Victor, but it looks like all of these things are already in 
the Windows installer except for the manual.  I just verified this by 
deleting my install directory and reinstalling.

- Dave

On 9/18/2010 9:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> Michael and everyone,
>
> now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few
> suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences we
> had with Mac users.
> Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single
> donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the
> release
> for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a lot
> of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
> Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with
> Csound, which also seems to be useful.
>
> So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:
> qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already
> provided) and
> the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his
> collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.
>
> Thanks
>
> Victor
>
>
>
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I just posted a message saying it was all there but for the manual, but 
I was wrong -- the manual is there as well.  The Windows installer is 
quite complete from my point of view, and working well for me, I should 
add -- thanks Mike!

- Dave

On 9/18/2010 10:09 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:
> It already has all you suggested.
>
> MKG from cell phone
>
>> On Sep 18, 2010 9:51 AM, "Victor Lazzarini" > > wrote:
>>
>> Michael and everyone,
>>
>> now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few
>> suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences
>> we had with Mac users.
>> Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single
>> donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the
>> release
>> for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a lot
>> of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
>> Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with
>> Csound, which also seems to be useful.
>>
>> So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:
>> qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already
>> provided) and
>> the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his
>> collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Victor
>>
>>
>>
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yes.

they do seem to be there and that's great - awesome and thanks for  
including them!

in fact...

there is a lot of stuff there (that might confuse a beginner for sure  
and might not "just work"
- like the cscore, lua, etc... stuff - which is not in the Mac Package.

also..

there is no README (getting started, what's here doc?)

and...

when I launch QuteCsound for the first time and try to "open"  
something, it doesn't take me to this folder or these files - rather  
it takes me to one of Michael's .py files/folders that does not
(for me at least) run from QuteCsound... (that would certainly confuse  
a beginner.)

it makes sense that Michael would want to install "all" the things  
that he uses to compose
and develop, but... perhaps these could be organized in a more  
"advanced" or "research
folder" and perhaps they could be standardized so that these same  
items (if they do work
on all platforms) would be included with all installed packages?)

-dB


On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Dave Seidel wrote:

> I agree, Victor, but it looks like all of these things are already  
> in the Windows installer except for the manual.  I just verified  
> this by deleting my install directory and reinstalling.
>
> - Dave
>
> On 9/18/2010 9:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> Michael and everyone,
>>
>> now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few
>> suggestions for a release package. This is following the  
>> experiences we
>> had with Mac users.
>> Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single
>> donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the
>> release
>> for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a  
>> lot
>> of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
>> Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with
>> Csound, which also seems to be useful.
>>
>> So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:
>> qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already
>> provided) and
>> the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his
>> collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Victor
>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>
>>
>
>
>
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Hi,

The python stuff should run OK from QuteCsound. otherwise it's a bug... =)
But it's true that it would be better to see "normal" csds by default.

Cheers,
Andrés

On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Richard Boulanger
 wrote:
> when I launch QuteCsound for the first time and try to "open" something, it
> doesn't take me to this folder or these files - rather it takes me to one of
> Michael's .py files/folders that does not
> (for me at least) run from QuteCsound... (that would certainly confuse a
> beginner.)
>
> it makes sense that Michael would want to install "all" the things that he
> uses to compose
> and develop, but... perhaps these could be organized in a more "advanced" or
> "research
> folder" and perhaps they could be standardized so that these same items (if
> they do work
> on all platforms) would be included with all installed packages?)
>
> -dB
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Dave Seidel wrote:
>
>> I agree, Victor, but it looks like all of these things are already in the
>> Windows installer except for the manual.  I just verified this by deleting
>> my install directory and reinstalling.
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>> On 9/18/2010 9:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael and everyone,
>>>
>>> now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few
>>> suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences we
>>> had with Mac users.
>>> Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single
>>> donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the
>>> release
>>> for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a lot
>>> of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
>>> Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with
>>> Csound, which also seems to be useful.
>>>
>>> So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:
>>> qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already
>>> provided) and
>>> the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his
>>> collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>> csound"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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I do not regard having more stuff in the installer, including stuff
that might confuse a beginner, as a problem. If someone wants to
produce a cut-down version of the installer, go right ahead.

That said, I do want the installer, of course, to produce happy out of
the box experiences, even for beginners. As it happens there is a
README in the installer, but I will try to improve it for beginners
and to make sure it is prominently displayed on the Windows start
menu.

I'm not sure why a Python example shows up first in QuteCsound, I will
see what I can do about that.

Thanks for checking this out,
Mike



On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The python stuff should run OK from QuteCsound. otherwise it's a bug... =)
> But it's true that it would be better to see "normal" csds by default.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Richard Boulanger
>  wrote:
>> when I launch QuteCsound for the first time and try to "open" something, it
>> doesn't take me to this folder or these files - rather it takes me to one of
>> Michael's .py files/folders that does not
>> (for me at least) run from QuteCsound... (that would certainly confuse a
>> beginner.)
>>
>> it makes sense that Michael would want to install "all" the things that he
>> uses to compose
>> and develop, but... perhaps these could be organized in a more "advanced" or
>> "research
>> folder" and perhaps they could be standardized so that these same items (if
>> they do work
>> on all platforms) would be included with all installed packages?)
>>
>> -dB
>>
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, Victor, but it looks like all of these things are already in the
>>> Windows installer except for the manual.  I just verified this by deleting
>>> my install directory and reinstalling.
>>>
>>> - Dave
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2010 9:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Michael and everyone,
>>>>
>>>> now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few
>>>> suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences we
>>>> had with Mac users.
>>>> Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single
>>>> donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the
>>>> release
>>>> for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a lot
>>>> of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
>>>> Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with
>>>> Csound, which also seems to be useful.
>>>>
>>>> So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:
>>>> qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already
>>>> provided) and
>>>> the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his
>>>> collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>> csound"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Andrés
>
>
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Hi Michael,

I do not see the aim to have a cut down version of Csound. People should
take time in learning Csound and even a more graphical application like
MAX/MSP has a good learning curve. Beside, when will you compiled a version
with CsoundAC and CsoundVST?

Thank for all your hard work,

Marc

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Michael Gogins [mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com] 
Envoyé : 20 septembre 2010 09:12
À : csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
Objet : [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: suggestions for the Windows release

I do not regard having more stuff in the installer, including stuff
that might confuse a beginner, as a problem. If someone wants to
produce a cut-down version of the installer, go right ahead.

That said, I do want the installer, of course, to produce happy out of
the box experiences, even for beginners. As it happens there is a
README in the installer, but I will try to improve it for beginners
and to make sure it is prominently displayed on the Windows start
menu.

I'm not sure why a Python example shows up first in QuteCsound, I will
see what I can do about that.

Thanks for checking this out,
Mike



On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Andres Cabrera 
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The python stuff should run OK from QuteCsound. otherwise it's a bug... =)
> But it's true that it would be better to see "normal" csds by default.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Richard Boulanger
>  wrote:
>> when I launch QuteCsound for the first time and try to "open" something,
it
>> doesn't take me to this folder or these files - rather it takes me to one
of
>> Michael's .py files/folders that does not
>> (for me at least) run from QuteCsound... (that would certainly confuse a
>> beginner.)
>>
>> it makes sense that Michael would want to install "all" the things that
he
>> uses to compose
>> and develop, but... perhaps these could be organized in a more "advanced"
or
>> "research
>> folder" and perhaps they could be standardized so that these same items
(if
>> they do work
>> on all platforms) would be included with all installed packages?)
>>
>> -dB
>>
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, Victor, but it looks like all of these things are already in
the
>>> Windows installer except for the manual.  I just verified this by
deleting
>>> my install directory and reinstalling.
>>>
>>> - Dave
>>>
>>> On 9/18/2010 9:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Michael and everyone,
>>>>
>>>> now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few
>>>> suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences we
>>>> had with Mac users.
>>>> Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single
>>>> donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the
>>>> release
>>>> for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a lot
>>>> of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
>>>> Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with
>>>> Csound, which also seems to be useful.
>>>>
>>>> So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:
>>>> qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already
>>>> provided) and
>>>> the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his
>>>> collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
"unsubscribe
>>>> csound"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> --
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>
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>
>
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The current installer already has CsoundAC.

I will upload 5.12 with CsoundVST in the next day or so, and I'll
announce it here.

Regards,
Mike

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Caecos  wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> I do not see the aim to have a cut down version of Csound. People should
> take time in learning Csound and even a more graphical application like
> MAX/MSP has a good learning curve. Beside, when will you compiled a version
> with CsoundAC and CsoundVST?
>
> Thank for all your hard work,
>
> Marc
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Michael Gogins [mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com]
> Envoyé : 20 septembre 2010 09:12
> À : csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Objet : [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: suggestions for the Windows release
>
> I do not regard having more stuff in the installer, including stuff
> that might confuse a beginner, as a problem. If someone wants to
> produce a cut-down version of the installer, go right ahead.
>
> That said, I do want the installer, of course, to produce happy out of
> the box experiences, even for beginners. As it happens there is a
> README in the installer, but I will try to improve it for beginners
> and to make sure it is prominently displayed on the Windows start
> menu.
>
> I'm not sure why a Python example shows up first in QuteCsound, I will
> see what I can do about that.
>
> Thanks for checking this out,
> Mike
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Andres Cabrera 
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> The python stuff should run OK from QuteCsound. otherwise it's a bug... =)
>> But it's true that it would be better to see "normal" csds by default.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrés
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Richard Boulanger
>>  wrote:
>>> when I launch QuteCsound for the first time and try to "open" something,
> it
>>> doesn't take me to this folder or these files - rather it takes me to one
> of
>>> Michael's .py files/folders that does not
>>> (for me at least) run from QuteCsound... (that would certainly confuse a
>>> beginner.)
>>>
>>> it makes sense that Michael would want to install "all" the things that
> he
>>> uses to compose
>>> and develop, but... perhaps these could be organized in a more "advanced"
> or
>>> "research
>>> folder" and perhaps they could be standardized so that these same items
> (if
>>> they do work
>>> on all platforms) would be included with all installed packages?)
>>>
>>> -dB
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree, Victor, but it looks like all of these things are already in
> the
>>>> Windows installer except for the manual.  I just verified this by
> deleting
>>>> my install directory and reinstalling.
>>>>
>>>> - Dave
>>>>
>>>> On 9/18/2010 9:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few
>>>>> suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences we
>>>>> had with Mac users.
>>>>> Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single
>>>>> donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the
>>>>> release
>>>>> for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a lot
>>>>> of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
>>>>> Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with
>>>>> Csound, which also seems to be useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:
>>>>> qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already
>>>>> provided) and
>>>>> the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his
>>>>> collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
> "unsubscribe
>>>>> csound"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>          https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>> csound"
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> csound"
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Andrés
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
>
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Thank's Michael...

Marc

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Michael Gogins [mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com] 
Envoyé : 20 septembre 2010 09:32
À : csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
Objet : [Csnd] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: suggestions for the Windows release

The current installer already has CsoundAC.

I will upload 5.12 with CsoundVST in the next day or so, and I'll
announce it here.

Regards,
Mike

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Caecos  wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> I do not see the aim to have a cut down version of Csound. People should
> take time in learning Csound and even a more graphical application like
> MAX/MSP has a good learning curve. Beside, when will you compiled a
version
> with CsoundAC and CsoundVST?
>
> Thank for all your hard work,
>
> Marc
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Michael Gogins [mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com]
> Envoyé : 20 septembre 2010 09:12
> À : csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Objet : [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: suggestions for the Windows release
>
> I do not regard having more stuff in the installer, including stuff
> that might confuse a beginner, as a problem. If someone wants to
> produce a cut-down version of the installer, go right ahead.
>
> That said, I do want the installer, of course, to produce happy out of
> the box experiences, even for beginners. As it happens there is a
> README in the installer, but I will try to improve it for beginners
> and to make sure it is prominently displayed on the Windows start
> menu.
>
> I'm not sure why a Python example shows up first in QuteCsound, I will
> see what I can do about that.
>
> Thanks for checking this out,
> Mike
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Andres Cabrera 
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> The python stuff should run OK from QuteCsound. otherwise it's a bug...
=)
>> But it's true that it would be better to see "normal" csds by default.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrés
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Richard Boulanger
>>  wrote:
>>> when I launch QuteCsound for the first time and try to "open" something,
> it
>>> doesn't take me to this folder or these files - rather it takes me to
one
> of
>>> Michael's .py files/folders that does not
>>> (for me at least) run from QuteCsound... (that would certainly confuse a
>>> beginner.)
>>>
>>> it makes sense that Michael would want to install "all" the things that
> he
>>> uses to compose
>>> and develop, but... perhaps these could be organized in a more
"advanced"
> or
>>> "research
>>> folder" and perhaps they could be standardized so that these same items
> (if
>>> they do work
>>> on all platforms) would be included with all installed packages?)
>>>
>>> -dB
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree, Victor, but it looks like all of these things are already in
> the
>>>> Windows installer except for the manual.  I just verified this by
> deleting
>>>> my install directory and reinstalling.
>>>>
>>>> - Dave
>>>>
>>>> On 9/18/2010 9:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few
>>>>> suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences
we
>>>>> had with Mac users.
>>>>> Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single
>>>>> donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the
>>>>> release
>>>>> for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a lot
>>>>> of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
>>>>> Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with
>>>>> Csound, which also seems to be useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:
>>>>> qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already
>>>>> provided) and
>>>>> the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his
>>>>> collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
> "unsubscribe
>>>>> csound"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>          https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
"unsubscribe
>>>> csound"
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> csound"
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Andrés
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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> csound"
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
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Also, about CsoundVST and the vst4cs opcodes, there is the possibility
of using the VeSTige code to eliminate dependency on the Steinberg VST
SDK. This however is a fair amount of work, especially in the vst4cs
code.

Regards,
Mike

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Michael Gogins
 wrote:
> The current installer already has CsoundAC.
>
> I will upload 5.12 with CsoundVST in the next day or so, and I'll
> announce it here.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Caecos  wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I do not see the aim to have a cut down version of Csound. People should
>> take time in learning Csound and even a more graphical application like
>> MAX/MSP has a good learning curve. Beside, when will you compiled a version
>> with CsoundAC and CsoundVST?
>>
>> Thank for all your hard work,
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Michael Gogins [mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com]
>> Envoyé : 20 septembre 2010 09:12
>> À : csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Objet : [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: suggestions for the Windows release
>>
>> I do not regard having more stuff in the installer, including stuff
>> that might confuse a beginner, as a problem. If someone wants to
>> produce a cut-down version of the installer, go right ahead.
>>
>> That said, I do want the installer, of course, to produce happy out of
>> the box experiences, even for beginners. As it happens there is a
>> README in the installer, but I will try to improve it for beginners
>> and to make sure it is prominently displayed on the Windows start
>> menu.
>>
>> I'm not sure why a Python example shows up first in QuteCsound, I will
>> see what I can do about that.
>>
>> Thanks for checking this out,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Andres Cabrera 
>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The python stuff should run OK from QuteCsound. otherwise it's a bug... =)
>>> But it's true that it would be better to see "normal" csds by default.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andrés
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Richard Boulanger
>>>  wrote:
>>>> when I launch QuteCsound for the first time and try to "open" something,
>> it
>>>> doesn't take me to this folder or these files - rather it takes me to one
>> of
>>>> Michael's .py files/folders that does not
>>>> (for me at least) run from QuteCsound... (that would certainly confuse a
>>>> beginner.)
>>>>
>>>> it makes sense that Michael would want to install "all" the things that
>> he
>>>> uses to compose
>>>> and develop, but... perhaps these could be organized in a more "advanced"
>> or
>>>> "research
>>>> folder" and perhaps they could be standardized so that these same items
>> (if
>>>> they do work
>>>> on all platforms) would be included with all installed packages?)
>>>>
>>>> -dB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree, Victor, but it looks like all of these things are already in
>> the
>>>>> Windows installer except for the manual.  I just verified this by
>> deleting
>>>>> my install directory and reinstalling.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/18/2010 9:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael and everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few
>>>>>> suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences we
>>>>>> had with Mac users.
>>>>>> Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single
>>>>>> donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the
>>>>>> release
>>>>>> for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a lot
>>>>>> of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
>>>>>> Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with
>>>>>> Csound, which also seems to be useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:
>>>>>> qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already
>>>>>> provided) and
>>>>>> the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his
>>>>>> collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>          https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>>> csound"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrés
>>>
>>>
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>> csound"
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
>
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Not suggesting cutting out anything, just suggesting about organizing and standardizing across platforms and making things more obvious for all level of users.

Thanks for all your hard work to get this very complete and wonderfully functional build our there.


Sent from my iPhone.

On Sep 20, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Michael Gogins  wrote:

> I do not regard having more stuff in the installer, including stuff
> that might confuse a beginner, as a problem. If someone wants to
> produce a cut-down version of the installer, go right ahead.
> 
> That said, I do want the installer, of course, to produce happy out of
> the box experiences, even for beginners. As it happens there is a
> README in the installer, but I will try to improve it for beginners
> and to make sure it is prominently displayed on the Windows start
> menu.
> 
> I'm not sure why a Python example shows up first in QuteCsound, I will
> see what I can do about that.
> 
> Thanks for checking this out,
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The python stuff should run OK from QuteCsound. otherwise it's a bug... =)
>> But it's true that it would be better to see "normal" csds by default.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Andrés
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Richard Boulanger
>>  wrote:
>>> when I launch QuteCsound for the first time and try to "open" something, it
>>> doesn't take me to this folder or these files - rather it takes me to one of
>>> Michael's .py files/folders that does not
>>> (for me at least) run from QuteCsound... (that would certainly confuse a
>>> beginner.)
>>> 
>>> it makes sense that Michael would want to install "all" the things that he
>>> uses to compose
>>> and develop, but... perhaps these could be organized in a more "advanced" or
>>> "research
>>> folder" and perhaps they could be standardized so that these same items (if
>>> they do work
>>> on all platforms) would be included with all installed packages?)
>>> 
>>> -dB
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I agree, Victor, but it looks like all of these things are already in the
>>>> Windows installer except for the manual.  I just verified this by deleting
>>>> my install directory and reinstalling.
>>>> 
>>>> - Dave
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/18/2010 9:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Michael and everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few
>>>>> suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences we
>>>>> had with Mac users.
>>>>> Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single
>>>>> donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the
>>>>> release
>>>>> for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a lot
>>>>> of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
>>>>> Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with
>>>>> Csound, which also seems to be useful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:
>>>>> qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already
>>>>> provided) and
>>>>> the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his
>>>>> collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>>> csound"
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>> csound"
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> Andrés
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
> 
> 
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I know VeSTige for its application with LMMS and I prefer to wait for your
binairies.

Regards,
Marc

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Michael Gogins [mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com] 
Envoyé : 20 septembre 2010 10:51
À : csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
Objet : [Csnd] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: suggestions for the Windows release

Also, about CsoundVST and the vst4cs opcodes, there is the possibility
of using the VeSTige code to eliminate dependency on the Steinberg VST
SDK. This however is a fair amount of work, especially in the vst4cs
code.

Regards,
Mike

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Michael Gogins
 wrote:
> The current installer already has CsoundAC.
>
> I will upload 5.12 with CsoundVST in the next day or so, and I'll
> announce it here.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Caecos  wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I do not see the aim to have a cut down version of Csound. People should
>> take time in learning Csound and even a more graphical application like
>> MAX/MSP has a good learning curve. Beside, when will you compiled a
version
>> with CsoundAC and CsoundVST?
>>
>> Thank for all your hard work,
>>
>> Marc
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Michael Gogins [mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com]
>> Envoyé : 20 septembre 2010 09:12
>> À : csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Objet : [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: suggestions for the Windows release
>>
>> I do not regard having more stuff in the installer, including stuff
>> that might confuse a beginner, as a problem. If someone wants to
>> produce a cut-down version of the installer, go right ahead.
>>
>> That said, I do want the installer, of course, to produce happy out of
>> the box experiences, even for beginners. As it happens there is a
>> README in the installer, but I will try to improve it for beginners
>> and to make sure it is prominently displayed on the Windows start
>> menu.
>>
>> I'm not sure why a Python example shows up first in QuteCsound, I will
>> see what I can do about that.
>>
>> Thanks for checking this out,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Andres Cabrera 
>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The python stuff should run OK from QuteCsound. otherwise it's a bug...
=)
>>> But it's true that it would be better to see "normal" csds by default.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andrés
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Richard Boulanger
>>>  wrote:
>>>> when I launch QuteCsound for the first time and try to "open"
something,
>> it
>>>> doesn't take me to this folder or these files - rather it takes me to
one
>> of
>>>> Michael's .py files/folders that does not
>>>> (for me at least) run from QuteCsound... (that would certainly confuse
a
>>>> beginner.)
>>>>
>>>> it makes sense that Michael would want to install "all" the things that
>> he
>>>> uses to compose
>>>> and develop, but... perhaps these could be organized in a more
"advanced"
>> or
>>>> "research
>>>> folder" and perhaps they could be standardized so that these same items
>> (if
>>>> they do work
>>>> on all platforms) would be included with all installed packages?)
>>>>
>>>> -dB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree, Victor, but it looks like all of these things are already in
>> the
>>>>> Windows installer except for the manual.  I just verified this by
>> deleting
>>>>> my install directory and reinstalling.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/18/2010 9:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael and everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few
>>>>>> suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences
we
>>>>>> had with Mac users.
>>>>>> Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single
>>>>>> donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the
>>>>>> release
>>>>>> for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a
lot
>>>>>> of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
>>>>>> Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with
>>>>>> Csound, which also seems to be useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:
>>>>>> qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already
>>>>>> provided) and
>>>>>> the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his
>>>>>> collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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"unsubscribe
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrés
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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I will do my binaries in any case.

What I was trying to say is that VeSTige appears to offer the
possibility of rewriting CsoundVST and vst4cs without depending on the
VST SDK, so that the binaries can be distributed in the regular Csound
installer on SourceForge.

This of course would mean that we accept the argument that the VeSTige
work is legal. My personal view is that I am not sure, but I am
willing to go ahead and try. If Steinberg asks us to stop we can go
back to doing things the way we do now.

Regards,
Mike

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Caecos  wrote:
> I know VeSTige for its application with LMMS and I prefer to wait for your
> binairies.
>
> Regards,
> Marc
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Michael Gogins [mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com]
> Envoyé : 20 septembre 2010 10:51
> À : csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Objet : [Csnd] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: suggestions for the Windows release
>
> Also, about CsoundVST and the vst4cs opcodes, there is the possibility
> of using the VeSTige code to eliminate dependency on the Steinberg VST
> SDK. This however is a fair amount of work, especially in the vst4cs
> code.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Michael Gogins
>  wrote:
>> The current installer already has CsoundAC.
>>
>> I will upload 5.12 with CsoundVST in the next day or so, and I'll
>> announce it here.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Caecos  wrote:
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> I do not see the aim to have a cut down version of Csound. People should
>>> take time in learning Csound and even a more graphical application like
>>> MAX/MSP has a good learning curve. Beside, when will you compiled a
> version
>>> with CsoundAC and CsoundVST?
>>>
>>> Thank for all your hard work,
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : Michael Gogins [mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com]
>>> Envoyé : 20 septembre 2010 09:12
>>> À : csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>> Objet : [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: suggestions for the Windows release
>>>
>>> I do not regard having more stuff in the installer, including stuff
>>> that might confuse a beginner, as a problem. If someone wants to
>>> produce a cut-down version of the installer, go right ahead.
>>>
>>> That said, I do want the installer, of course, to produce happy out of
>>> the box experiences, even for beginners. As it happens there is a
>>> README in the installer, but I will try to improve it for beginners
>>> and to make sure it is prominently displayed on the Windows start
>>> menu.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure why a Python example shows up first in QuteCsound, I will
>>> see what I can do about that.
>>>
>>> Thanks for checking this out,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Andres Cabrera 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The python stuff should run OK from QuteCsound. otherwise it's a bug...
> =)
>>>> But it's true that it would be better to see "normal" csds by default.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Andrés
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Richard Boulanger
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> when I launch QuteCsound for the first time and try to "open"
> something,
>>> it
>>>>> doesn't take me to this folder or these files - rather it takes me to
> one
>>> of
>>>>> Michael's .py files/folders that does not
>>>>> (for me at least) run from QuteCsound... (that would certainly confuse
> a
>>>>> beginner.)
>>>>>
>>>>> it makes sense that Michael would want to install "all" the things that
>>> he
>>>>> uses to compose
>>>>> and develop, but... perhaps these could be organized in a more
> "advanced"
>>> or
>>>>> "research
>>>>> folder" and perhaps they could be standardized so that these same items
>>> (if
>>>>> they do work
>>>>> on all platforms) would be included with all installed packages?)
>>>>>
>>>>> -dB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree, Victor, but it looks like all of these things are already in
>>> the
>>>>>> Windows installer except for the manual.  I just verified this by
>>> deleting
>>>>>> my install directory and reinstalling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/18/2010 9:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael and everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few
>>>>>>> suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences
> we
>>>>>>> had with Mac users.
>>>>>>> Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single
>>>>>>> donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the
>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>> for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a
> lot
>>>>>>> of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
>>>>>>> Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with
>>>>>>> Csound, which also seems to be useful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:
>>>>>>> qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already
>>>>>>> provided) and
>>>>>>> the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his
>>>>>>> collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>          https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
> "unsubscribe
>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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> "unsubscribe
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andrés
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> csound"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Gogins
>>> Irreducible Productions
>>> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Irreducible Productions
>> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> http://www.michael-gogins.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
>
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For the little I know on the subject (mainly from French sites). The VST
plugins built with the Vestige library for Windows and/or Linux applications
does not need to register at the Steinberg's site. I shall be legal to use
it without reserve.

Marc

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Michael Gogins [mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com] 
Envoyé : 20 septembre 2010 11:33
À : csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
Objet : [Csnd] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: suggestions for the Windows
release

I will do my binaries in any case.

What I was trying to say is that VeSTige appears to offer the
possibility of rewriting CsoundVST and vst4cs without depending on the
VST SDK, so that the binaries can be distributed in the regular Csound
installer on SourceForge.

This of course would mean that we accept the argument that the VeSTige
work is legal. My personal view is that I am not sure, but I am
willing to go ahead and try. If Steinberg asks us to stop we can go
back to doing things the way we do now.

Regards,
Mike

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Caecos  wrote:
> I know VeSTige for its application with LMMS and I prefer to wait for your
> binairies.
>
> Regards,
> Marc
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Michael Gogins [mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com]
> Envoyé : 20 septembre 2010 10:51
> À : csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Objet : [Csnd] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: suggestions for the Windows release
>
> Also, about CsoundVST and the vst4cs opcodes, there is the possibility
> of using the VeSTige code to eliminate dependency on the Steinberg VST
> SDK. This however is a fair amount of work, especially in the vst4cs
> code.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Michael Gogins
>  wrote:
>> The current installer already has CsoundAC.
>>
>> I will upload 5.12 with CsoundVST in the next day or so, and I'll
>> announce it here.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Caecos  wrote:
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> I do not see the aim to have a cut down version of Csound. People should
>>> take time in learning Csound and even a more graphical application like
>>> MAX/MSP has a good learning curve. Beside, when will you compiled a
> version
>>> with CsoundAC and CsoundVST?
>>>
>>> Thank for all your hard work,
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : Michael Gogins [mailto:michael.gogins@gmail.com]
>>> Envoyé : 20 septembre 2010 09:12
>>> À : csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>> Objet : [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: suggestions for the Windows release
>>>
>>> I do not regard having more stuff in the installer, including stuff
>>> that might confuse a beginner, as a problem. If someone wants to
>>> produce a cut-down version of the installer, go right ahead.
>>>
>>> That said, I do want the installer, of course, to produce happy out of
>>> the box experiences, even for beginners. As it happens there is a
>>> README in the installer, but I will try to improve it for beginners
>>> and to make sure it is prominently displayed on the Windows start
>>> menu.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure why a Python example shows up first in QuteCsound, I will
>>> see what I can do about that.
>>>
>>> Thanks for checking this out,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Andres Cabrera 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The python stuff should run OK from QuteCsound. otherwise it's a bug...
> =)
>>>> But it's true that it would be better to see "normal" csds by default.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Andrés
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Richard Boulanger
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> when I launch QuteCsound for the first time and try to "open"
> something,
>>> it
>>>>> doesn't take me to this folder or these files - rather it takes me to
> one
>>> of
>>>>> Michael's .py files/folders that does not
>>>>> (for me at least) run from QuteCsound... (that would certainly confuse
> a
>>>>> beginner.)
>>>>>
>>>>> it makes sense that Michael would want to install "all" the things
that
>>> he
>>>>> uses to compose
>>>>> and develop, but... perhaps these could be organized in a more
> "advanced"
>>> or
>>>>> "research
>>>>> folder" and perhaps they could be standardized so that these same
items
>>> (if
>>>>> they do work
>>>>> on all platforms) would be included with all installed packages?)
>>>>>
>>>>> -dB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:26 AM, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree, Victor, but it looks like all of these things are already in
>>> the
>>>>>> Windows installer except for the manual.  I just verified this by
>>> deleting
>>>>>> my install directory and reinstalling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/18/2010 9:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael and everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> now that 5.12 for Windows is out and working well, I have a few
>>>>>>> suggestions for a release package. This is following the experiences
> we
>>>>>>> had with Mac users.
>>>>>>> Apparently, most users seemed to have appreciated having a single
>>>>>>> donwload of Csound and Qutecsound, which we started providing in the
>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>> for OSX. Dr.B. provided a collection of CSDs for it, which cover a
> lot
>>>>>>> of ground as well, so we added that too and it was received well.
>>>>>>> Also, we have always been providing a manual that is installed with
>>>>>>> Csound, which also seems to be useful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So my suggestion for additions to the Windows release would be:
>>>>>>> qutecsound, a big examples package (in addition to what is already
>>>>>>> provided) and
>>>>>>> the manual. I'm sure Dr.B. would be very happy to pass on to you his
>>>>>>> collection of examples, but if not, you can pick them up from me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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> "unsubscribe
>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andrés
>>>>
>>>>
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"unsubscribe
>>> csound"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Irreducible Productions
>>> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>> Irreducible Productions
>> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>
>
>
>
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>
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