Hello all

This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
(people around the net claim there are differences).

Panos


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On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking place
on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality. Funnily
enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
:)

Rory.


On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis  wrote:
> Hello all
>
> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>
> Panos
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I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound should  
be better, though.
On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:

> On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking place
> on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality. Funnily
> enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
> sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
> :)
>
> Rory.
>
>
> On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis   
> wrote:
>> Hello all
>>
>> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
>> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
>> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>>
>> Panos
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There's double Pd now too...

On 17 April 2010 14:25, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound should be
> better, though.
> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:
>
>> On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking place
>> on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality. Funnily
>> enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
>> sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
>> :)
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>>
>> On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all
>>>
>>> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
>>> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
>>> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>>>
>>> Panos
>>>
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With regards to the comments on the Pd list I think they are mostly
about the range of high quality opcodes that ship with Csound as
apposed to anything else.

On 17 April 2010 14:26, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> There's double Pd now too...
>
> On 17 April 2010 14:25, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>> I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound should be
>> better, though.
>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>
>>> On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking place
>>> on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality. Funnily
>>> enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
>>> sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Rory.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all
>>>>
>>>> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
>>>> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
>>>> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>>>>
>>>> Panos
>>>>
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Is there? Is that distributed alongside PD? I don't see it on  
puredata.info.
On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Rory Walsh wrote:

> There's double Pd now too...
>
> On 17 April 2010 14:25, Victor Lazzarini   
> wrote:
>> I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound  
>> should be
>> better, though.
>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>
>>> On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking  
>>> place
>>> on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality.  
>>> Funnily
>>> enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
>>> sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Rory.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis   
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all
>>>>
>>>> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think  
>>>> about
>>>> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
>>>> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>>>>
>>>> Panos
>>>>
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> Sorry for my question, but: what is Double Csound?
>

All calculations in double precision -- typically 64bit IEEE format

Michael has demonstrated that is gives higher audio qualoty that 32bit
single precision, but a little slower and a little more memory

==John ff




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On 17.04.2010 15:01, Panos Katergiathis wrote:
> Hello all
>
> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>
I use both since the late 90s. As you can imagine its totally different 
approach creating your sound and composition, Pure Data as a graphical 
modular synth and Csound with its instrument definitions and score 
sequencer which reminds me on trackers (which came later, after Csound). 
Different approach gives different results. For me PDs way of sending 
data from one unit to another is very intuitive, in Csound I have a 
harder time to figure out when something happen and on which rate. In PD 
I like the additional video and 3D objects but because these are third 
party objects its difficult to get all of them running, often objects 
are missing or refuse to get compiled. The GUI and the soundprocess is 
not so separated as it should be, although they are actually two 
programs running, resulting in clicks when you make to much in the GUI 
while heavy processing is going on. Its because graphic information (TK 
code!) is sent through the (local) network connection between both 
applications, the gui and the engine. A design mistake which hopefully 
gets corrected sometime.

In CSound I like the high quality audio objects, and when compiled with 
the usage of doubles the sound is really one of the best of all 
softwaresystems. At the moment I am implementing a live performance 
application totally in CSound, even the GUI is made with the included 
FLTK units.

PD is great for media artists while CSound is to be preferred for music 
and sound design.

Cheers,

Malte

>From what I recall I don't think it's available as a binary but there
is talk of compiling a doubles version oneself on the Pd list.



On 17 April 2010 14:51, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> Is there? Is that distributed alongside PD? I don't see it on puredata.info.
> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Rory Walsh wrote:
>
>> There's double Pd now too...
>>
>> On 17 April 2010 14:25, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound should be
>>> better, though.
>>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>
>>>> On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking place
>>>> on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality. Funnily
>>>> enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
>>>> sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> Rory.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all
>>>>>
>>>>> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
>>>>> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
>>>>> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>>>>>
>>>>> Panos
>>>>>
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Well, then you can't really say 'there's double Pd too', since it's  
not widely available. Also, as we know from Csound, plugins need to be  
compiled for double precision too, and the whole thing needs to be  
tested to make sure it works, because the assumption of 32-bit floats  
can have wide-raging implications that a switch to double brings to  
the fore,
so bugs can creep in. Have they done all this? If yes, then there is  
double Pd. If no, there isn't.

Victor

On 18 Apr 2010, at 16:11, Rory Walsh wrote:

> From what I recall I don't think it's available as a binary but there
> is talk of compiling a doubles version oneself on the Pd list.
>
>
>
> On 17 April 2010 14:51, Victor Lazzarini   
> wrote:
>> Is there? Is that distributed alongside PD? I don't see it on  
>> puredata.info.
>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>
>>> There's double Pd now too...
>>>
>>> On 17 April 2010 14:25, Victor Lazzarini  
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound  
>>>> should be
>>>> better, though.
>>>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking  
>>>>> place
>>>>> on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality.  
>>>>> Funnily
>>>>> enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the  
>>>>> best
>>>>> sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that  
>>>>> right
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Rory.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think  
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
>>>>>> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Panos
>>>>>>
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Well no, I guess you're right, but it is perhaps something that will
become available in the not so distant future. Point taken.

On 18 April 2010 18:16, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> Well, then you can't really say 'there's double Pd too', since it's not
> widely available. Also, as we know from Csound, plugins need to be compiled
> for double precision too, and the whole thing needs to be tested to make
> sure it works, because the assumption of 32-bit floats can have wide-raging
> implications that a switch to double brings to the fore,
> so bugs can creep in. Have they done all this? If yes, then there is double
> Pd. If no, there isn't.
>
> Victor
>
> On 18 Apr 2010, at 16:11, Rory Walsh wrote:
>
>> From what I recall I don't think it's available as a binary but there
>> is talk of compiling a doubles version oneself on the Pd list.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 April 2010 14:51, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there? Is that distributed alongside PD? I don't see it on
>>> puredata.info.
>>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:26, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's double Pd now too...
>>>>
>>>> On 17 April 2010 14:25, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess PureData is just as good as float Csound. Double Csound should
>>>>> be
>>>>> better, though.
>>>>> On 17 Apr 2010, at 14:16, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On a side note there is a discussion currently currently taking place
>>>>>> on the Pd list about Pd versus Max in terms of audio quality. Funnily
>>>>>> enough it's Csound that's mentioned most often as offering the best
>>>>>> sound quality(whatever that means..), but we already knew that right
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17 April 2010 14:01, Panos Katergiathis 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This has probably been discussed before, but what do you think about
>>>>>>> PureData? How does it compare to Csound in terms of sound quality
>>>>>>> (people around the net claim there are differences).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Panos
>>>>>>>
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> Well no, I guess you're right, but it is perhaps something that will
> become available in the not so distant future. Point taken.

I imagine that it's only a matter of time before most audio software
migrates to double precision. Whether were talking computer music
systems, commercial software, or home-brewed open source projects.

Best,
Jake

Abandoned open source projects will be excluded, though.
I find it always a challenge, trying to predict which current
music-software project will still be alive after a few years.

Panos



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> migrates to double precision. Whether were talking computer music
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Not to mention that pd is essentially geared towards real-time  
performance so many processes would be virtually impossible with  
double precision, at least on most systems. The beauty of csound is  
that you can use float for real-time performance and double for  
rendering to disc in non-real-time.

Best,

Peiman

On 18 Apr 2010, at 18:46, Jacob Joaquin wrote:

>> Well no, I guess you're right, but it is perhaps something that will
>> become available in the not so distant future. Point taken.
>
> I imagine that it's only a matter of time before most audio software
> migrates to double precision. Whether were talking computer music
> systems, commercial software, or home-brewed open source projects.
>
> Best,
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On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:05, Peiman Khosravi  wrote:
> Not to mention that pd is essentially geared towards real-time performance
> so many processes would be virtually impossible with double precision, at
> least on most systems. The beauty of csound is that you can use float for
> real-time performance and double for rendering to disc in non-real-time.

My tests suggest that on modern hardware (64bit CPUs), floats are not
faster than doubles.

Csound was first public-released in 1986, Csound 5 in 2006. 24 years  
and still going strong, and we can run some Music 11 code in it from  
the 1970s.

Victor
On 18 Apr 2010, at 19:02, Panos Katergiathis wrote:

> Abandoned open source projects will be excluded, though.
> I find it always a challenge, trying to predict which current
> music-software project will still be alive after a few years.
>
> Panos
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Jacob Joaquin  
>  wrote:
>> I imagine that it's only a matter of time before most audio software
>> migrates to double precision. Whether were talking computer music
>> systems, commercial software, or home-brewed open source projects.
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I have only tested with 32bit CPUs which includes all mac machines  
right?

On 18 Apr 2010, at 19:45, Felipe Sateler wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:05, Peiman Khosravi  > wrote:
>> Not to mention that pd is essentially geared towards real-time  
>> performance
>> so many processes would be virtually impossible with double  
>> precision, at
>> least on most systems. The beauty of csound is that you can use  
>> float for
>> real-time performance and double for rendering to disc in non-real- 
>> time.
>
> My tests suggest that on modern hardware (64bit CPUs), floats are not
> faster than doubles.
>
> -- 
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> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:05, Peiman Khosravi 
> wrote:
>
> My tests suggest that on modern hardware (64bit CPUs), floats are not
> faster than doubles.
>

which is why I have stopped building a float version for 64bit Linux



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Modern macs are 64bit, I think. G5 onwards, if I'm not mistaken.

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:52, Peiman Khosravi  wrote:
> I have only tested with 32bit CPUs which includes all mac machines right?
>
> On 18 Apr 2010, at 19:45, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:05, Peiman Khosravi 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not to mention that pd is essentially geared towards real-time
>>> performance
>>> so many processes would be virtually impossible with double precision, at
>>> least on most systems. The beauty of csound is that you can use float for
>>> real-time performance and double for rendering to disc in non-real-time.
>>
>> My tests suggest that on modern hardware (64bit CPUs), floats are not
>> faster than doubles.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Saludos,
>> Felipe Sateler
>>
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Does that include laptops too?

Mhhh time to get a new machine!!

On 18 Apr 2010, at 20:40, Felipe Sateler wrote:

> Modern macs are 64bit, I think. G5 onwards, if I'm not mistaken.
>
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:52, Peiman Khosravi  > wrote:
>> I have only tested with 32bit CPUs which includes all mac machines  
>> right?
>>
>> On 18 Apr 2010, at 19:45, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:05, Peiman Khosravi >> >
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention that pd is essentially geared towards real-time
>>>> performance
>>>> so many processes would be virtually impossible with double  
>>>> precision, at
>>>> least on most systems. The beauty of csound is that you can use  
>>>> float for
>>>> real-time performance and double for rendering to disc in non- 
>>>> real-time.
>>>
>>> My tests suggest that on modern hardware (64bit CPUs), floats are  
>>> not
>>> faster than doubles.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Saludos,
>>> Felipe Sateler
>>>
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I'm not a mac expert, but I would guess newer laptops are 64 bit too.
However, I read that applications must be compiled into 64bit mode to
take full advantage of that... and I don't know if csound is being
built for the 64bit ABI.

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 15:45, Peiman Khosravi  wrote:
> Does that include laptops too?
>
> Mhhh time to get a new machine!!
>
> On 18 Apr 2010, at 20:40, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>
>> Modern macs are 64bit, I think. G5 onwards, if I'm not mistaken.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:52, Peiman Khosravi 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have only tested with 32bit CPUs which includes all mac machines right?
>>>
>>> On 18 Apr 2010, at 19:45, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:05, Peiman Khosravi
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention that pd is essentially geared towards real-time
>>>>> performance
>>>>> so many processes would be virtually impossible with double precision,
>>>>> at
>>>>> least on most systems. The beauty of csound is that you can use float
>>>>> for
>>>>> real-time performance and double for rendering to disc in
>>>>> non-real-time.
>>>>
>>>> My tests suggest that on modern hardware (64bit CPUs), floats are not
>>>> faster than doubles.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Saludos,
>>>> Felipe Sateler
>>>>
>>>>
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Only OSX 10.6 is a 64bit OS.

Victor


On 18 Apr 2010, at 20:45, Peiman Khosravi wrote:

> Does that include laptops too?
>
> Mhhh time to get a new machine!!
>
> On 18 Apr 2010, at 20:40, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>
>> Modern macs are 64bit, I think. G5 onwards, if I'm not mistaken.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:52, Peiman Khosravi > > wrote:
>>> I have only tested with 32bit CPUs which includes all mac machines  
>>> right?
>>>
>>> On 18 Apr 2010, at 19:45, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:05, Peiman Khosravi >>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention that pd is essentially geared towards real-time
>>>>> performance
>>>>> so many processes would be virtually impossible with double  
>>>>> precision, at
>>>>> least on most systems. The beauty of csound is that you can use  
>>>>> float for
>>>>> real-time performance and double for rendering to disc in non- 
>>>>> real-time.
>>>>
>>>> My tests suggest that on modern hardware (64bit CPUs), floats are  
>>>> not
>>>> faster than doubles.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Saludos,
>>>> Felipe Sateler
>>>>
>>>>
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I must correct myself on an earlier post about double precision in Pd.
Pd does not support doubles. I should have actually read the thread,
it was merely about building Pd on machines with 64bit CPUs. Sorry for
the bogus information!

On 18 April 2010 21:08, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> Only OSX 10.6 is a 64bit OS.
>
> Victor
>
>
> On 18 Apr 2010, at 20:45, Peiman Khosravi wrote:
>
>> Does that include laptops too?
>>
>> Mhhh time to get a new machine!!
>>
>> On 18 Apr 2010, at 20:40, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>>
>>> Modern macs are 64bit, I think. G5 onwards, if I'm not mistaken.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:52, Peiman Khosravi 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have only tested with 32bit CPUs which includes all mac machines
>>>> right?
>>>>
>>>> On 18 Apr 2010, at 19:45, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 14:05, Peiman Khosravi
>>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not to mention that pd is essentially geared towards real-time
>>>>>> performance
>>>>>> so many processes would be virtually impossible with double precision,
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> least on most systems. The beauty of csound is that you can use float
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> real-time performance and double for rendering to disc in
>>>>>> non-real-time.
>>>>>
>>>>> My tests suggest that on modern hardware (64bit CPUs), floats are not
>>>>> faster than doubles.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Saludos,
>>>>> Felipe Sateler
>>>>>
>>>>>
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