Hello list,

I wonder if there is a csound implementation of Moore's 'Space Unit Generator' (the 'room-within-a-room' model), described in Computer Music Journal, Vol. 7, No. 3 (Autumn, 1983), pp. 6-15? I thought I had seen it somewhere on the net once, but now I am in doubt, since the ICMC2002 paper "Real-Time Implementation of a General Model for Spatial Processing of Sounds" doesn't mention csound at all. 
Any hints/pointers would be welcome :)

Thank you,
Best,
Marlon

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I don't think it's there. I guess this is probably an old model, maybe  
you should look at more up-to-date stuff. Babo, for instance, might be  
a good place to start.

Victor
On 24 Apr 2010, at 20:08, Schumacher Marlon wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> I wonder if there is a csound implementation of Moore's 'Space Unit  
> Generator' (the 'room-within-a-room' model), described in Computer  
> Music Journal, Vol. 7, No. 3 (Autumn, 1983), pp. 6-15? I thought I  
> had seen it somewhere on the net once, but now I am in doubt, since  
> the ICMC2002 paper "Real-Time Implementation of a General Model for  
> Spatial Processing of Sounds" doesn't mention csound at all.
> Any hints/pointers would be welcome :)
>
> Thank you,
> Best,
> Marlon
>
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It is part of Cmusic, which in turn is part of the CARL distribution, 
available here:

http://crca.ucsd.edu/cmusic/cmusic.html

I ~think~ that includes the modifications described in the icmc 2002 paper.

it would take a certain amount of work to port it to Csound, but could 
be a worthwhile project for someone.

Richard Dobson

On 24/04/2010 20:08, Schumacher Marlon wrote:
> Hello list,
>
> I wonder if there is a csound implementation of Moore's 'Space Unit Generator' (the 'room-within-a-room' model), described in Computer Music Journal, Vol. 7, No. 3 (Autumn, 1983), pp. 6-15? I thought I had seen it somewhere on the net once, but now I am in doubt, since the ICMC2002 paper "Real-Time Implementation of a General Model for Spatial Processing of Sounds" doesn't mention csound at all.
> Any hints/pointers would be welcome :)
>
> Thank you,
> Best,
> Marlon
>
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I spent several years in the 80's working with this opcode in Cmusic.   
It was a very interesting model to work with.  At CARL we also had a  
utility that allowed us to program soundpaths fot the opcode as well.   
That was awesome too.  It would be great to have this as an opcode in  
Csound.

-dB

Sent from my Radio Baton ;-)

On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:16 PM, Richard Dobson  wrote:

> It is part of Cmusic, which in turn is part of the CARL  
> distribution, available here:
>
> http://crca.ucsd.edu/cmusic/cmusic.html
>
> I ~think~ that includes the modifications described in the icmc 2002  
> paper.
>
> it would take a certain amount of work to port it to Csound, but  
> could be a worthwhile project for someone.
>
> Richard Dobson
>
> On 24/04/2010 20:08, Schumacher Marlon wrote:
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I wonder if there is a csound implementation of Moore's 'Space Unit  
>> Generator' (the 'room-within-a-room' model), described in Computer  
>> Music Journal, Vol. 7, No. 3 (Autumn, 1983), pp. 6-15? I thought I  
>> had seen it somewhere on the net once, but now I am in doubt, since  
>> the ICMC2002 paper "Real-Time Implementation of a General Model for  
>> Spatial Processing of Sounds" doesn't mention csound at all.
>> Any hints/pointers would be welcome :)
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Best,
>> Marlon
>>
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For anyone interested I have a working port of cmusic to OSX.  I have  
not made it widely available because I am not sure about the licensing.

Victor
On 25 Apr 2010, at 01:16, Richard Dobson wrote:

> It is part of Cmusic, which in turn is part of the CARL  
> distribution, available here:
>
> http://crca.ucsd.edu/cmusic/cmusic.html
>
> I ~think~ that includes the modifications described in the icmc 2002  
> paper.
>
> it would take a certain amount of work to port it to Csound, but  
> could be a worthwhile project for someone.
>
> Richard Dobson
>
> On 24/04/2010 20:08, Schumacher Marlon wrote:
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I wonder if there is a csound implementation of Moore's 'Space Unit  
>> Generator' (the 'room-within-a-room' model), described in Computer  
>> Music Journal, Vol. 7, No. 3 (Autumn, 1983), pp. 6-15? I thought I  
>> had seen it somewhere on the net once, but now I am in doubt, since  
>> the ICMC2002 paper "Real-Time Implementation of a General Model for  
>> Spatial Processing of Sounds" doesn't mention csound at all.
>> Any hints/pointers would be welcome :)
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Best,
>> Marlon
>>
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I think it should be OK, inasmuch as the CARL distribution as a whole 
(i.e. including cmusic) is now safe to regard ~implicitly~ as at most 
LGPL. I discussed this issue ages ago with Sharokh Yadegari with respect 
to pvoc contained therein, as for a long time there was no explicit 
licence (as we would understand it today)  attached to the CARL 
sources. It looks like Sharokh still has not got around to adding the 
LGPL text to the distribution, but that was the understanding we reached 
some years ago (unlikely I can find the relevant email at this late 
stage!). It is one of those distributions that has just sort of sat 
there for years, not seemingly being paid a lot of attention. CDP has 
used the pvoc implementation (including a port of the original Fortran 
FFT code to C) since the earliest days on the Atari; it is also the 
basis of my free "pvocex" versions, and of course (somewhat modified) of 
the streaming pvoc opcodes. In other words some CARL material is already 
in Csound, which suggests that "space" should be fine to incorporate; as 
indeed anything else of interest in CARL.

There is an ancient form (1991) in the distribution called "sdletter" 
(in the "misc" folder) with text expressing a waiver of responsibility, 
and stating that "the software is distributed free of charge, and is in 
the public domain".


Richard Dobson

On 25/04/2010 08:31, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> For anyone interested I have a working port of cmusic to OSX.  I have
> not made it widely available because I am not sure about the licensing.
>



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Well, I'm afraid this notice in the sources complicates things:

"I, the undersigned, do hereby request a computer-readable tape copy of
the software available for distribution from the COMPUTER AUDIO RESEARCH
LABORATORY (CARL), located at the Center for Music Experiment and
Related Research (CME) Q-037, University of California at San Diego, La
Jolla, California, 92093.
I understand that this distribution consists of
released software available at the time this request is made.
By signing
this document, I agree not to redistribute this software in any form, in
whole or in part, to any party who has not also signed this agreement,
without the express written permission of the COMPUTER AUDIO RESEARCH
LABORATORY. "

In order to have a copy of the software it looks like the agreement  
needs to be signed, as the sdletter says:

"Another revision of the Computer Audio Research Laboratory
(CARL) software distribution tape is now available.
It contains over 115 programs and libraries for research and  
production in
digital audio and computer music.
As in the past, the software is distributed free of charge, and is
in the public domain.*
*A $100.00 distribution fee is charged to offset distribution costs;
recipients must sign the enclosed
Software Distribution Agreement.  The Agreement is not a license, but
a waiver of liability.  Users must not transfer software to third  
parties
without permission, and must credit CARL where appropriate."

  So, in fact anyone, like myself, who has downloaded the sources is  
in breach of the agreement. Unless a GPL or LGPL notice is put by the  
software owners, it's not really
possible to distribute it. The agreement document ends with this, to  
be completed and signed:

  NAME......................................... Date...............
                          (signature)

           PLEASE PRINT  
NAME:...............................................

            
ADDRESS:.........................................................

           .................................................................

           .................................................................

           UNIX LICENSE  
NUMBER:.............................................
                          (needed only if requesting device drivers)


Obviously, I have not signed anything. Not sure what to do to  
distribute this and it's a bit of headache as we were hoping to  
include it in some forthcoming material. We asked Richard Moore, but  
got no straight answer.


Victor


On 25 Apr 2010, at 10:45, Richard Dobson wrote:

> I think it should be OK, inasmuch as the CARL distribution as a  
> whole (i.e. including cmusic) is now safe to regard ~implicitly~ as  
> at most LGPL. I discussed this issue ages ago with Sharokh Yadegari  
> with respect to pvoc contained therein, as for a long time there was  
> no explicit licence (as we would understand it today)  attached to  
> the CARL sources. It looks like Sharokh still has not got around to  
> adding the LGPL text to the distribution, but that was the  
> understanding we reached some years ago (unlikely I can find the  
> relevant email at this late stage!). It is one of those  
> distributions that has just sort of sat there for years, not  
> seemingly being paid a lot of attention. CDP has used the pvoc  
> implementation (including a port of the original Fortran FFT code to  
> C) since the earliest days on the Atari; it is also the basis of my  
> free "pvocex" versions, and of course (somewhat modified) of the  
> streaming pvoc opcodes. In other words some CARL material is already  
> in Csound, which suggests that "space" should be fine to  
> incorporate; as indeed anything else of interest in CARL.
>
> There is an ancient form (1991) in the distribution called  
> "sdletter" (in the "misc" folder) with text expressing a waiver of  
> responsibility, and stating that "the software is distributed free  
> of charge, and is in the public domain".
>
>
> Richard Dobson
>
> On 25/04/2010 08:31, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> For anyone interested I have a working port of cmusic to OSX.  I have
>> not made it widely available because I am not sure about the  
>> licensing.
>>
>
>
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Indeed; which is why I had a whole series of email discussion with 
Shahrokh about modernising the licence.  Would be well worth sending an 
emial to him to confirm this. As I recall, he got permission to use the 
LGPL, could be at least five years ago now. The text in the distribution 
just has not been updated. I get the impression that people are not 
really bothered about it either way!

Richard Dobson


On 25/04/2010 11:05, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> Well, I'm afraid this notice in the sources complicates things:
>
> "I, the undersigned, do hereby request a computer-readable tape copy of
> the software available for distribution from the COMPUTER AUDIO RESEARCH
> LABORATORY (CARL), located at the Center for Music Experiment and
> Related Research (CME) Q-037, University of California at San Diego, La
> Jolla, California, 92093.
> I understand that this distribution consists of
> released software available at the time this request is made.
> By signing
> this document, I agree not to redistribute this software in any form, in
> whole or in part, to any party who has not also signed this agreement,
> without the express written permission of the COMPUTER AUDIO RESEARCH
> LABORATORY. "
>



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CARL is also distributed in the vast "bigMATbook" package from ucsb:

http://heaveneverywhere.com/TheBigMATBook

As I have some history with Sharokh concerning the CARL licence I will 
email him again to confirm the move to the LGPL and ask  for the key 
licence text to be added to the distribution asap. If necessary I will 
offer to do that myself.


Richard Dobson

On 25/04/2010 12:36, Eric Lyon wrote:
> CARL and CME no longer exist. They became CRCA in the early 1990s. The
> CME distribution fee paid for surface mailing of the CARL software on
> magnetic tape to interested institutions. So I reckon that that notice
> is now obsolete. But someone should put the software under a new licence.
>
> Incidentally various software that Chris Penrose and I wrote and
> distributed throughout the 1990s was based on CARL sources and no one
> ever complained.
>



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Now done. It is Sunday etc, so may be some days before I hear back.

Richard Dobson



>
> As I have some history with Sharokh concerning the CARL licence I will
> email him again to confirm the move to the LGPL and ask for the key
> licence text to be added to the distribution asap. If necessary I will
> offer to do that myself.
>





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Got out-of-office reply: Not before 10th May. plenty of time for someone 
to port "space" to Csound! Won't be me, sadly; fully committed time-wise 
at present.

Richard Dobson

On 25/04/2010 13:58, Richard Dobson wrote:
> Now done. It is Sunday etc, so may be some days before I hear back.
>
> Richard Dobson
>
>
>
>>
>> As I have some history with Sharokh concerning the CARL licence I will
>> email him again to confirm the move to the LGPL and ask for the key
>> licence text to be added to the distribution asap. If necessary I will
>> offer to do that myself.



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I signed that agreement, or its predecessor, in the 1980s when I was  
given a (9-tract tar tape) copy on departing CME.
My memory is that there was never any problem with using it or parts  
of it, though I admit I was not concerned with commercial implications.

I wonder if there is a cmusic home page. the link at http://www.crca.ucsd.edu/cmusic/cmusiclinux.html 
  is dead.

Victor, did you compile on/for OSX from the Linux sources? Can you  
remember if there were any special tricks needed?



David

On 25/04/2010, at 8:05 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:

> Well, I'm afraid this notice in the sources complicates things:
>
> "I, the undersigned, do hereby request a computer-readable tape copy  
> of
> the software available for distribution from the COMPUTER AUDIO  
> RESEARCH
> LABORATORY (CARL), located at the Center for Music Experiment and
> Related Research (CME) Q-037, University of California at San Diego,  
> La
> Jolla, California, 92093.
> I understand that this distribution consists of
> released software available at the time this request is made.
> By signing
> this document, I agree not to redistribute this software in any  
> form, in
> whole or in part, to any party who has not also signed this agreement,
> without the express written permission of the COMPUTER AUDIO RESEARCH
> LABORATORY. "

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I used the linux sources as my start basis, but had to perform major  
surgery on them and now I have a package that builds on OSX and on  
newer Linuxes (the srcs were for red hat 6 and would not build  
straight out of the box anywhere).

It was what I call a bit of  software archaelogy work.

Victor

On 26 Apr 2010, at 01:08, DavidW wrote:

> Victor, did you compile on/for OSX from the Linux sources? Can you  
> remember if there were any special tricks needed?



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I just got a message from Shahrokh - he says he doesn.t anticipate any 
problems, but is presently out of the country and just wants to check 
back with Dick Moore and the UCSD tech trasnbfer folk first; which will 
be on or shortly after 10 May.

CDP offered both Cmusic and pvoc from CARL early on in the development 
of the CDP system; there was certainly no suggestion of a licence fee 
even though CDP  was ostensibly a commercial system (being dependent on 
some very advanced custom hardware among other things, to get stereo 
CD-quality audio streams in and out of an 8MHz machine). In principle 
the sources were available to anyone who asked for them, though this was 
hardly ever taken up in those days, and we moved to Csound fairly soon, 
such that Cmusic somewhat faded from people's interest. I still have the 
printed Cmusic manual supplied with my original 1987-vintage CDP system 
(80 pages plus Appendices, including Dolson's povoc tutorial, so not 
something trivial to scan, sadly!).


Richard Dobson

On 26/04/2010 01:08, DavidW wrote:
> I signed that agreement, or its predecessor, in the 1980s when I was
> given a (9-tract tar tape) copy on departing CME.
> My memory is that there was never any problem with using it or parts of
> it, though I admit I was not concerned with commercial implications.
>
> I wonder if there is a cmusic home page. the link at
> http://www.crca.ucsd.edu/cmusic/cmusiclinux.html is dead.
>
> Victor, did you compile on/for OSX from the Linux sources? Can you
> remember if there were any special tricks needed?
>
>
>
> David
>
> On 25/04/2010, at 8:05 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm afraid this notice in the sources complicates things:
>>
>> "I, the undersigned, do hereby request a computer-readable tape copy of
>> the software available for distribution from the COMPUTER AUDIO RESEARCH
>> LABORATORY (CARL), located at the Center for Music Experiment and
>> Related Research (CME) Q-037, University of California at San Diego, La
>> Jolla, California, 92093.
>> I understand that this distribution consists of
>> released software available at the time this request is made.
>> By signing
>> this document, I agree not to redistribute this software in any form, in
>> whole or in part, to any party who has not also signed this agreement,
>> without the express written permission of the COMPUTER AUDIO RESEARCH
>> LABORATORY. "
>
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DavidW wrote:
>
> I wonder if there is a cmusic home page. the link at 
> http://www.crca.ucsd.edu/cmusic/cmusiclinux.html is dead.


?

I just logged on to the site, no problems. All links active. CARL 
binaries and sources still available for download.

Best,

dp



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But the sources need a bit of work to build (esp. on OSX, but also on  
Linux).
On 26 Apr 2010, at 12:01, Dave Phillips wrote:

> I just logged on to the site, no problems. All links active. CARL  
> binaries and sources still available for download.



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The link AT http://www.crca.ucsd.edu/cmusic/cmusiclinux.html t which I  
was referring- the last on the page, labelled "cmusic Home Page",   
linked to http://cmusic/cmusic.html - is still dead, from this part of  
the universe, anyway.

David



On 26/04/2010, at 9:07 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:

> But the sources need a bit of work to build (esp. on OSX, but also  
> on Linux).
> On 26 Apr 2010, at 12:01, Dave Phillips wrote:
>
>> I just logged on to the site, no problems. All links active. CARL  
>> binaries and sources still available for download.
>
>
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Seems fine here, just tried it (OS X, Firefox).

The link is to:

http://www.crca.ucsd.edu/cmusic/cmusic.html

Richard Dobson


On 26/04/2010 21:42, DavidW wrote:
> The link AT http://www.crca.ucsd.edu/cmusic/cmusiclinux.html t which I
> was referring- the last on the page, labelled "cmusic Home Page", linked
> to http://cmusic/cmusic.html - is still dead, from this part of the
> universe, anyway.
>
> David



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