I've recently bought a motion controller for Windows and was wondering if
anyone would be interested in programming for it. The expressive potential
of the Razer Hydra (sixense.com) is possibly greater than any musical
interface in the world besides the Continuum Fingerboard; let me explain.

Each of two controllers can sense absolute position and orientation to
within one millimeter and one degree within a six-foot radius of a magnetic
sensor base (with no line-of-sight or calibration issues). Using Csound and
a free 100 Hz OSC program for the controller (see
http://sixense.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=61&start=51 and/or
http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45612&start=46), my vision is
mapping x/y/z positions to pitches, the three types of orientation angles to
the volumes of those notes, and the control sticks and analog triggers to
filters.

In addition to the potential ability to continuously control six notes with
three degrees of freedom, the seven buttons on each controller could be
utilized for on-the-fly configuration. I have one, but I'm completely new to
Csound. I hope I won't be the only one interested in this type of project
for long. In the US, the Hydra costs under $150 (and would cost less if it
weren't bundled with the Portal 2 PC game...), so please consider...

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Wow. That sounds like a controller that could be used for a lot of
interesting things.
I don't have any time to invest in it at the moment, but at least
wanted to express my interest.
best
Oeyvind

2011/10/3 MrMormon :
> I've recently bought a motion controller for Windows and was wondering if
> anyone would be interested in programming for it. The expressive potential
> of the Razer Hydra (sixense.com) is possibly greater than any musical
> interface in the world besides the Continuum Fingerboard; let me explain.
>
> Each of two controllers can sense absolute position and orientation to
> within one millimeter and one degree within a six-foot radius of a magnetic
> sensor base (with no line-of-sight or calibration issues). Using Csound and
> a free 100 Hz OSC program for the controller (see
> http://sixense.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=61&start=51 and/or
> http://electro-music.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45612&start=46), my vision is
> mapping x/y/z positions to pitches, the three types of orientation angles to
> the volumes of those notes, and the control sticks and analog triggers to
> filters.
>
> In addition to the potential ability to continuously control six notes with
> three degrees of freedom, the seven buttons on each controller could be
> utilized for on-the-fly configuration. I have one, but I'm completely new to
> Csound. I hope I won't be the only one interested in this type of project
> for long. In the US, the Hydra costs under $150 (and would cost less if it
> weren't bundled with the Portal 2 PC game...), so please consider...
>
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Looks fascinating. I'm currently working with multi-touch mapping schemes for
instrument control, but this certainly would be an interesting avenue to
investigate for my research. Would like to hear more about your ideas -
perhaps drop me an email.

Regards,

Patrick McGlynn

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Ireland

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Bump?

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The main problem I see is that no on else seems to have one of these
controllers. Where are you currently with your research? Have you been
successful in reading data from the controller into Csound? If you
have then it should be relatively 'easy' to implement the mapping,
depending on how well you know Csound.

Rory.

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There's no question that it works - I can control two pitches simultaneously,
but I get either lag or zippering and I know it has to do with Csound
because it's a gaming controller and hasn't had complaints of lag on
Sixense's forums.

Except for how one of the orientation variables works, everything one needs
to program the mapping is documented. I'm just in a position of low
motivation, what with college and newness to Csound and stubbornness with
not switching DAWs and all.

This can be a reality, not just "could".

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I don't use OSC much but perhaps you can prepare a simple example and
post it to the list so that people might be able to advise you on
where you are going wrong?



On 8 October 2011 04:13, MrMormon  wrote:
> There's no question that it works - I can control two pitches simultaneously,
> but I get either lag or zippering and I know it has to do with Csound
> because it's a gaming controller and hasn't had complaints of lag on
> Sixense's forums.
>
> Except for how one of the orientation variables works, everything one needs
> to program the mapping is documented. I'm just in a position of low
> motivation, what with college and newness to Csound and stubbornness with
> not switching DAWs and all.
>
> This can be a reality, not just "could".
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hi all, do any of you get the csound conference video as seen in the attachment? If possible, does someone know how to repair that?
thanks in advance,
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Well, it doesn't hurt.

 
 
 
 
sr=48000 
ksmps=480 
instr 1 
iin OSCinit 7022 
krx init 0 
kry init 0 
kof OSClisten iin,"/sixense/hydra/0/controller/left/position/x","f",krx 
kof OSClisten iin,"/sixense/hydra/0/controller/left/position/y","f",kry 
krx port krx,.02 
kry port kry,.02 
aud oscil 0dbfs/20,2^((abs(krx)+1300)/200),1 
au2 oscil 0dbfs/20,2^((abs(kry)+1300)/200),1 
out aud 
out au2 
endin 
 
 
f 1 0 16384 10 1 
i 1 0 999 
 


Even with just one pitch, no port value gets rid of zippering without
creating serious lag. Are my sr and ksmps wrong for a 100 Hz controller? If
my shouldn't cause that, Sixense's OSC program has to be the source of lag.
Besides, I'd prefer a logarithmic interpolation between successive data
values instead of port...

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I had the same problem. I googled it and found the solution here: 
http://www.johngineer.com/blog/?p=189. Right-click the image, choose 
settings and turn off hardware acceleration. I had to restart my browser 
afterwards to get a good result.

Sigurd


Den 09.10.2011 00:58, skrev Super Pija:
> hi all, do any of you get the csound conference video as seen in the attachment? If possible, does someone know how to repair that?
> thanks in advance,
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Hi,

Is the controller transmitting at 100Hz, or is the OSC birdge
trnsmitting at 100Hz? In any case, 100Hz is way too much for certain
control envelopes, so you will indeed need some kind of interpolation
between values.

Cheers,
Andres

On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:20 AM, MrMormon  wrote:
> Well, it doesn't hurt.
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> sr=48000
> ksmps=480
> instr 1
> iin OSCinit 7022
> krx init 0
> kry init 0
> kof OSClisten iin,"/sixense/hydra/0/controller/left/position/x","f",krx
> kof OSClisten iin,"/sixense/hydra/0/controller/left/position/y","f",kry
> krx port krx,.02
> kry port kry,.02
> aud oscil 0dbfs/20,2^((abs(krx)+1300)/200),1
> au2 oscil 0dbfs/20,2^((abs(kry)+1300)/200),1
> out aud
> out au2
> endin
> 
> 
> f 1 0 16384 10 1
> i 1 0 999
> 
> 
>
> Even with just one pitch, no port value gets rid of zippering without
> creating serious lag. Are my sr and ksmps wrong for a 100 Hz controller? If
> my shouldn't cause that, Sixense's OSC program has to be the source of lag.
> Besides, I'd prefer a logarithmic interpolation between successive data
> values instead of port...
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Eigenlabs has released an open-source prototype OSC agent, and someone has made it work with Max/Msp. I have not had time to look at it yet, but it may be of interest to some folks on the list. Here is a link to the forum discussion :
http://www.eigenlabs.com/forum/threads/id/788/
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Now you can use it to control Csound through the csound~ object in max/msp!

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> Eigenlabs has released an open-source prototype OSC agent, and someone has made it work with Max/Msp. I have not had time to look at it yet, but it may be of interest to some folks on the list. Here is a link to the forum discussion :
> http://www.eigenlabs.com/forum/threads/id/788/
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Rory,
True! I have not used Max/Msp in a long time, but that might be worth investigating. It would be nice to get it working directly with Csound and eliminate Max as the middleware, but unfortunately I seem to be the only Csounder who has an Eigenharp presently. I should note that this is just a prototype supplied for people who want to experiment with using an Eigenharp as an OSC controller and will not be compatible with upcoming EigenD releases. 

BW
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> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:25:45 +0100
> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
>
> Now you can use it to control Csound through the csound~ object in max/msp!
>
> On 12 October 2011 17:21, Brian Wong  wrote:
> >
> > Eigenlabs has released an open-source prototype OSC agent, and someone has made it work with Max/Msp. I have not had time to look at it yet, but it may be of interest to some folks on the list. Here is a link to the forum discussion :
> > http://www.eigenlabs.com/forum/threads/id/788/
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If anyone would like to buy me one I'd be happy to investigate!

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> Rory,
> True! I have not used Max/Msp in a long time, but that might be worth investigating. It would be nice to get it working directly with Csound and eliminate Max as the middleware, but unfortunately I seem to be the only Csounder who has an Eigenharp presently. I should note that this is just a prototype supplied for people who want to experiment with using an Eigenharp as an OSC controller and will not be compatible with upcoming EigenD releases.
>
> BW
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:25:45 +0100
>> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
>>
>> Now you can use it to control Csound through the csound~ object in max/msp!
>>
>> On 12 October 2011 17:21, Brian Wong  wrote:
>> >
>> > Eigenlabs has released an open-source prototype OSC agent, and someone has made it work with Max/Msp. I have not had time to look at it yet, but it may be of interest to some folks on the list. Here is a link to the forum discussion :
>> > http://www.eigenlabs.com/forum/threads/id/788/
>> > BW
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in a different direction, it woul dbe useful to hear in what way csound is
deficient in OSC, and what max provides that we do not.


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I guess all it would take it to look at the max/MSP patch and see what
addresses the information is being sent to. Then it would be trivial
to set it up with Csound.

On 12 October 2011 17:59,   wrote:
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> deficient in OSC, and what max provides that we do not.
>
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I wish it were within my capabilities to do so Rory, but that is emphatically not the case. In fact I cannot even afford to purchase the latest version of EigenD. Part of the reason this prototype has been released is to quell user discontent which has arisen over the fact that Eigenlabs has made the latest version of EigenD (2.0) available only by paid subscription. So in effect Eigenlabs is saying that if you don't want to pay for their software, here is a prototype; develop your own.
BW

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> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:51:20 +0100
> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
>
> If anyone would like to buy me one I'd be happy to investigate!
>
> On 12 October 2011 17:46, Brian Wong  wrote:
> >
> > Rory,
> > True! I have not used Max/Msp in a long time, but that might be worth investigating. It would be nice to get it working directly with Csound and eliminate Max as the middleware, but unfortunately I seem to be the only Csounder who has an Eigenharp presently. I should note that this is just a prototype supplied for people who want to experiment with using an Eigenharp as an OSC controller and will not be compatible with upcoming EigenD releases.
> >
> > BW
> > ----------------------------------------
> >> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 17:25:45 +0100
> >> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
> >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> >> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
> >>
> >> Now you can use it to control Csound through the csound~ object in max/msp!
> >>
> >> On 12 October 2011 17:21, Brian Wong  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Eigenlabs has released an open-source prototype OSC agent, and someone has made it work with Max/Msp. I have not had time to look at it yet, but it may be of interest to some folks on the list. Here is a link to the forum discussion :
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> I guess all it would take it to look at the max/MSP patch and see what
> addresses the information is being sent to. Then it would be trivial
> to set it up with Csound.
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might that not require having Max?




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I will certainly give that a try, though our respective definitions of trivial undoubtably vary somewhat. 
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> I guess all it would take it to look at the max/MSP patch and see what
> addresses the information is being sent to. Then it would be trivial
> to set it up with Csound.
>
> On 12 October 2011 17:59,  wrote:
> > in a different direction, it woul dbe useful to hear in what way csound is
> > deficient in OSC, and what max provides that we do not.
> >
> >
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Is the max/msp patch only retrieving OSC values, or does it have some
kind of high level of communication with the eigenharp?? If it's just
osc values then I'm sure you could have a go at programming it! Remove
max/msp from the equaition altogether.

On 12 October 2011 18:17, Brian Wong  wrote:
>
> I will certainly give that a try, though our respective definitions of trivial undoubtably vary somewhat.
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:04:16 +0100
>> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
>>
>> I guess all it would take it to look at the max/MSP patch and see what
>> addresses the information is being sent to. Then it would be trivial
>> to set it up with Csound.
>>
>> On 12 October 2011 17:59,  wrote:
>> > in a different direction, it woul dbe useful to hear in what way csound is
>> > deficient in OSC, and what max provides that we do not.
>> >
>> >
>> >> If anyone would like to buy me one I'd be happy to investigate!
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Hi,

AFAICS it's first a software bridge that takes EigenD data and
converts it to OSC. It's probably quite a complex protocol (as there
seems to be some handshaking going on), but it might be implementable
in Csound. You would still need to run the software bridge, unless you
wrote a Csound opcode wrapping it.

Cheers,
Andrés

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> Is the max/msp patch only retrieving OSC values, or does it have some
> kind of high level of communication with the eigenharp?? If it's just
> osc values then I'm sure you could have a go at programming it! Remove
> max/msp from the equaition altogether.
>
> On 12 October 2011 18:17, Brian Wong  wrote:
>>
>> I will certainly give that a try, though our respective definitions of trivial undoubtably vary somewhat.
>> ----------------------------------------
>>> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:04:16 +0100
>>> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
>>>
>>> I guess all it would take it to look at the max/MSP patch and see what
>>> addresses the information is being sent to. Then it would be trivial
>>> to set it up with Csound.
>>>
>>> On 12 October 2011 17:59,  wrote:
>>> > in a different direction, it woul dbe useful to hear in what way csound is
>>> > deficient in OSC, and what max provides that we do not.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> If anyone would like to buy me one I'd be happy to investigate!
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Ah, in that case looks like Max/MSP is needed for now.

On 12 October 2011 18:45, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> AFAICS it's first a software bridge that takes EigenD data and
> converts it to OSC. It's probably quite a complex protocol (as there
> seems to be some handshaking going on), but it might be implementable
> in Csound. You would still need to run the software bridge, unless you
> wrote a Csound opcode wrapping it.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> Is the max/msp patch only retrieving OSC values, or does it have some
>> kind of high level of communication with the eigenharp?? If it's just
>> osc values then I'm sure you could have a go at programming it! Remove
>> max/msp from the equaition altogether.
>>
>> On 12 October 2011 18:17, Brian Wong  wrote:
>>>
>>> I will certainly give that a try, though our respective definitions of trivial undoubtably vary somewhat.
>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:04:16 +0100
>>>> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
>>>>
>>>> I guess all it would take it to look at the max/MSP patch and see what
>>>> addresses the information is being sent to. Then it would be trivial
>>>> to set it up with Csound.
>>>>
>>>> On 12 October 2011 17:59,  wrote:
>>>> > in a different direction, it woul dbe useful to hear in what way csound is
>>>> > deficient in OSC, and what max provides that we do not.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> If anyone would like to buy me one I'd be happy to investigate!
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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Rory,
At this point I have still been unable to even get EigenD to build, as I am just a beginner at C++. From what I am reading in the thread, it seems like only OSC data is being streamed, but you can probably illicit more information from the forum thread about this than I can provide as of yet.
Brian

----------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:39:17 +0100
> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
>
> Is the max/msp patch only retrieving OSC values, or does it have some
> kind of high level of communication with the eigenharp?? If it's just
> osc values then I'm sure you could have a go at programming it! Remove
> max/msp from the equaition altogether.
>
> On 12 October 2011 18:17, Brian Wong  wrote:
> >
> > I will certainly give that a try, though our respective definitions of trivial undoubtably vary somewhat.
> > ----------------------------------------
> >> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:04:16 +0100
> >> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
> >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> >> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
> >>
> >> I guess all it would take it to look at the max/MSP patch and see what
> >> addresses the information is being sent to. Then it would be trivial
> >> to set it up with Csound.
> >>
> >> On 12 October 2011 17:59,  wrote:
> >> > in a different direction, it woul dbe useful to hear in what way csound is
> >> > deficient in OSC, and what max provides that we do not.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> If anyone would like to buy me one I'd be happy to investigate!
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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So you haven't been able to play around with the eigenharp at all?

On 12 October 2011 18:56, Brian Wong  wrote:
>
> Rory,
> At this point I have still been unable to even get EigenD to build, as I am just a beginner at C++. From what I am reading in the thread, it seems like only OSC data is being streamed, but you can probably illicit more information from the forum thread about this than I can provide as of yet.
> Brian
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:39:17 +0100
>> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
>>
>> Is the max/msp patch only retrieving OSC values, or does it have some
>> kind of high level of communication with the eigenharp?? If it's just
>> osc values then I'm sure you could have a go at programming it! Remove
>> max/msp from the equaition altogether.
>>
>> On 12 October 2011 18:17, Brian Wong  wrote:
>> >
>> > I will certainly give that a try, though our respective definitions of trivial undoubtably vary somewhat.
>> > ----------------------------------------
>> >> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:04:16 +0100
>> >> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>> >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> >> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
>> >>
>> >> I guess all it would take it to look at the max/MSP patch and see what
>> >> addresses the information is being sent to. Then it would be trivial
>> >> to set it up with Csound.
>> >>
>> >> On 12 October 2011 17:59,  wrote:
>> >> > in a different direction, it woul dbe useful to hear in what way csound is
>> >> > deficient in OSC, and what max provides that we do not.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> If anyone would like to buy me one I'd be happy to investigate!
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
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Aside from plinking away on it occasionally, that is essentially true. I have been working on learning C++ basics in hope I will eventually be competent enough to tackle EigenD, though that seems a very long way off presently. I have created a couple of SF2 soundfonts I can use with the Eigenharp, but otherwise have made no real progress with it. And now with the subscription issue it is fair to say I am regretting my purchase. On the positive side, I have learned Emacs and some rudimentary C++ and maintain some vague hopes of the Eigenharp being of some use compositionally at some undefined point in the distant future.
BW

----------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:14:01 +0100
> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
>
> So you haven't been able to play around with the eigenharp at all?
>
> On 12 October 2011 18:56, Brian Wong  wrote:
> >
> > Rory,
> > At this point I have still been unable to even get EigenD to build, as I am just a beginner at C++. From what I am reading in the thread, it seems like only OSC data is being streamed, but you can probably illicit more information from the forum thread about this than I can provide as of yet.
> > Brian
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> >> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:39:17 +0100
> >> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
> >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> >> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
> >>
> >> Is the max/msp patch only retrieving OSC values, or does it have some
> >> kind of high level of communication with the eigenharp?? If it's just
> >> osc values then I'm sure you could have a go at programming it! Remove
> >> max/msp from the equaition altogether.
> >>
> >> On 12 October 2011 18:17, Brian Wong  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I will certainly give that a try, though our respective definitions of trivial undoubtably vary somewhat.
> >> > ----------------------------------------
> >> >> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:04:16 +0100
> >> >> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
> >> >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
> >> >>
> >> >> I guess all it would take it to look at the max/MSP patch and see what
> >> >> addresses the information is being sent to. Then it would be trivial
> >> >> to set it up with Csound.
> >> >>
> >> >> On 12 October 2011 17:59,  wrote:
> >> >> > in a different direction, it woul dbe useful to hear in what way csound is
> >> >> > deficient in OSC, and what max provides that we do not.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> If anyone would like to buy me one I'd be happy to investigate!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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That's a shame Brian. At least for now it would seem that using the
Csound~ object in max/MSP is at least an option.


On 12 October 2011 19:55, Brian Wong  wrote:
>
> Aside from plinking away on it occasionally, that is essentially true. I have been working on learning C++ basics in hope I will eventually be competent enough to tackle EigenD, though that seems a very long way off presently. I have created a couple of SF2 soundfonts I can use with the Eigenharp, but otherwise have made no real progress with it. And now with the subscription issue it is fair to say I am regretting my purchase. On the positive side, I have learned Emacs and some rudimentary C++ and maintain some vague hopes of the Eigenharp being of some use compositionally at some undefined point in the distant future.
> BW
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:14:01 +0100
>> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
>>
>> So you haven't been able to play around with the eigenharp at all?
>>
>> On 12 October 2011 18:56, Brian Wong  wrote:
>> >
>> > Rory,
>> > At this point I have still been unable to even get EigenD to build, as I am just a beginner at C++. From what I am reading in the thread, it seems like only OSC data is being streamed, but you can probably illicit more information from the forum thread about this than I can provide as of yet.
>> > Brian
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------
>> >> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:39:17 +0100
>> >> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>> >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> >> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
>> >>
>> >> Is the max/msp patch only retrieving OSC values, or does it have some
>> >> kind of high level of communication with the eigenharp?? If it's just
>> >> osc values then I'm sure you could have a go at programming it! Remove
>> >> max/msp from the equaition altogether.
>> >>
>> >> On 12 October 2011 18:17, Brian Wong  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I will certainly give that a try, though our respective definitions of trivial undoubtably vary somewhat.
>> >> > ----------------------------------------
>> >> >> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:04:16 +0100
>> >> >> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>> >> >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I guess all it would take it to look at the max/MSP patch and see what
>> >> >> addresses the information is being sent to. Then it would be trivial
>> >> >> to set it up with Csound.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 12 October 2011 17:59,  wrote:
>> >> >> > in a different direction, it woul dbe useful to hear in what way csound is
>> >> >> > deficient in OSC, and what max provides that we do not.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> If anyone would like to buy me one I'd be happy to investigate!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
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Thanks Rory, I will try to see if I can get it working directly with Csound also. The prototype agent itself is designed to be standard OSC, not Max-specific,  so I expect it should be quite feasible, once I can get past the "basics" of how to get make to work. Most likely the only OSC feature Max has that Csound does not is a sufficiently competent and motivated programmer. 
Brian

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> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:05:21 +0100
> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
>
> That's a shame Brian. At least for now it would seem that using the
> Csound~ object in max/MSP is at least an option.
>
>
> On 12 October 2011 19:55, Brian Wong  wrote:
> >
> > Aside from plinking away on it occasionally, that is essentially true. I have been working on learning C++ basics in hope I will eventually be competent enough to tackle EigenD, though that seems a very long way off presently. I have created a couple of SF2 soundfonts I can use with the Eigenharp, but otherwise have made no real progress with it. And now with the subscription issue it is fair to say I am regretting my purchase. On the positive side, I have learned Emacs and some rudimentary C++ and maintain some vague hopes of the Eigenharp being of some use compositionally at some undefined point in the distant future.
> > BW
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> >> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 19:14:01 +0100
> >> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
> >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> >> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
> >>
> >> So you haven't been able to play around with the eigenharp at all?
> >>
> >> On 12 October 2011 18:56, Brian Wong  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Rory,
> >> > At this point I have still been unable to even get EigenD to build, as I am just a beginner at C++. From what I am reading in the thread, it seems like only OSC data is being streamed, but you can probably illicit more information from the forum thread about this than I can provide as of yet.
> >> > Brian
> >> >
> >> > ----------------------------------------
> >> >> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:39:17 +0100
> >> >> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
> >> >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
> >> >>
> >> >> Is the max/msp patch only retrieving OSC values, or does it have some
> >> >> kind of high level of communication with the eigenharp?? If it's just
> >> >> osc values then I'm sure you could have a go at programming it! Remove
> >> >> max/msp from the equaition altogether.
> >> >>
> >> >> On 12 October 2011 18:17, Brian Wong  wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I will certainly give that a try, though our respective definitions of trivial undoubtably vary somewhat.
> >> >> > ----------------------------------------
> >> >> >> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:04:16 +0100
> >> >> >> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
> >> >> >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Csnd] EigenD Open-Source OSC agent released
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I guess all it would take it to look at the max/MSP patch and see what
> >> >> >> addresses the information is being sent to. Then it would be trivial
> >> >> >> to set it up with Csound.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 12 October 2011 17:59,  wrote:
> >> >> >> > in a different direction, it woul dbe useful to hear in what way csound is
> >> >> >> > deficient in OSC, and what max provides that we do not.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> If anyone would like to buy me one I'd be happy to investigate!
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
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