Hi!

I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
"plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
Is it free or does it cost money?

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I think the name is somewhat confusing. Csound4Max4Live is probably
more accurate, as you will need Max4Live to run it.

2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
> Hi!
>
> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
> Is it free or does it cost money?
>
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A feat would be to convince Ableton to use the API directly...

On 18 Oct 2011, at 17:30, Rory Walsh wrote:

> I think the name is somewhat confusing. Csound4Max4Live is probably
> more accurate, as you will need Max4Live to run it.
>
> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>> Hi!
>>
>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used  
>> as a
>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>
>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>
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Hello,

I attended Richard Boulanger's workshop about Csound4(Max4)Live and although I am not using Max nor Live myself,

the presentation was impressive, I think, this extension is absolutely great  - it enables easily link the best qualities of all pieces of the software. Using csound in Live this way does not require knowledge of csound from the Live guys (thus takes down the csound fear), but it is likely that they will start to look into the csound plugins and sooner or later and eventually may start to learn it. Might be that the real csound community may grow considerable.

And overall, why should there be ideological borders like "proprietary" should live in one sandbox and "open source" in the other. They are just different approaches and joining them for better production of music is just a noble idea, I think.

But of course almost the same can be done with free tools like csLadspa plugins via for example Ardour or any VST host with csound->vst-plugins created with Rory Walsh's Cabbage http://code.google.com/p/cabbage/

And that is all free.

greetings,
tarmo

On Tuesday 18 October 2011 18:55:21 Bjørn Houdorf wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
> Is it free or does it cost money?
> 
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> 
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One should be careful with Cabbage for the moment, it's still very
much under development!

2011/10/18 Tarmo Johannes :
> Hello,
>
> I attended Richard Boulanger's workshop about Csound4(Max4)Live and although I am not using Max nor Live myself,
>
> the presentation was impressive, I think, this extension is absolutely great  - it enables easily link the best qualities of all pieces of the software. Using csound in Live this way does not require knowledge of csound from the Live guys (thus takes down the csound fear), but it is likely that they will start to look into the csound plugins and sooner or later and eventually may start to learn it. Might be that the real csound community may grow considerable.
>
> And overall, why should there be ideological borders like "proprietary" should live in one sandbox and "open source" in the other. They are just different approaches and joining them for better production of music is just a noble idea, I think.
>
> But of course almost the same can be done with free tools like csLadspa plugins via for example Ardour or any VST host with csound->vst-plugins created with Rory Walsh's Cabbage http://code.google.com/p/cabbage/
>
> And that is all free.
>
> greetings,
> tarmo
>
> On Tuesday 18 October 2011 18:55:21 Bjørn Houdorf wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>
>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>
>>
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But would a full integration of the Csound API proprietize it?

On 10/18/11, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> you could say that if they liked what they heard, then the API is the
> next step for full integration.
>
> Victor
> On 18 Oct 2011, at 18:21, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>
>> I would love you to suggest some of the "language" that I might use
>> if I get
>> into discussions with them at some point.  I hope that I do and that
>> they grow
>> to appreciate how this international Csound community can enrich the
>> huge
>> community of users that they currently support.
>>
>> ___________________________________
>>
>> Richard Boulanger, Ph.D.
>>
>> Professor of Electronic Production and Design
>> Professional Writing and Music Technology Division
>> Berklee College of Music
>> 1140 Boylston Street
>> Boston, MA 02215-3693
>>
>> 617-747-2485 (office)
>> 774-488-9166 (cell)
>>
>> rboulanger@berklee.edu
>> http://csounds.com/boulanger
>> ____________________________________
>>
>> http://csounds.com/mathews
>> ____________________________________
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>
>>> I suspect they will keep saying, as they did to me, that since
>>> there is Max4Live and csound~, there is no need to use the API.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> On 18 Oct 2011, at 18:02, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>>>
>>>> On saturday, at the Cycling 74 Expo in New York, I did spend a
>>>> good block of time showing
>>>> the program to Gerhard Behles, the president of Ableton and
>>>> several of his employees.  He liked what he say and
>>>> heard.  They all did.  Maybe in time, connecting directly with the
>>>> API might happen.
>>>>
>>>> ___________________________________
>>>>
>>>> Richard Boulanger, Ph.D.
>>>>
>>>> Professor of Electronic Production and Design
>>>> Professional Writing and Music Technology Division
>>>> Berklee College of Music
>>>> 1140 Boylston Street
>>>> Boston, MA 02215-3693
>>>>
>>>> 617-747-2485 (office)
>>>> 774-488-9166 (cell)
>>>>
>>>> rboulanger@berklee.edu
>>>> http://csounds.com/boulanger
>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>
>>>> http://csounds.com/mathews
>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 18, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A feat would be to convince Ableton to use the API directly...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18 Oct 2011, at 17:30, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the name is somewhat confusing. Csound4Max4Live is
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>> more accurate, as you will need Max4Live to run it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound
>>>>>>> used as a
>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton
>>>>>>> Live.
>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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No. Csound is LGPL and permits this. It wouldn't reflect back on Csound.

Regards,
Mike

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Adam Puckett  wrote:
> But would a full integration of the Csound API proprietize it?
>
> On 10/18/11, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>> you could say that if they liked what they heard, then the API is the
>> next step for full integration.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 18 Oct 2011, at 18:21, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>>
>>> I would love you to suggest some of the "language" that I might use
>>> if I get
>>> into discussions with them at some point.  I hope that I do and that
>>> they grow
>>> to appreciate how this international Csound community can enrich the
>>> huge
>>> community of users that they currently support.
>>>
>>> ___________________________________
>>>
>>> Richard Boulanger, Ph.D.
>>>
>>> Professor of Electronic Production and Design
>>> Professional Writing and Music Technology Division
>>> Berklee College of Music
>>> 1140 Boylston Street
>>> Boston, MA 02215-3693
>>>
>>> 617-747-2485 (office)
>>> 774-488-9166 (cell)
>>>
>>> rboulanger@berklee.edu
>>> http://csounds.com/boulanger
>>> ____________________________________
>>>
>>> http://csounds.com/mathews
>>> ____________________________________
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suspect they will keep saying, as they did to me, that since
>>>> there is Max4Live and csound~, there is no need to use the API.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> On 18 Oct 2011, at 18:02, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On saturday, at the Cycling 74 Expo in New York, I did spend a
>>>>> good block of time showing
>>>>> the program to Gerhard Behles, the president of Ableton and
>>>>> several of his employees.  He liked what he say and
>>>>> heard.  They all did.  Maybe in time, connecting directly with the
>>>>> API might happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> ___________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Boulanger, Ph.D.
>>>>>
>>>>> Professor of Electronic Production and Design
>>>>> Professional Writing and Music Technology Division
>>>>> Berklee College of Music
>>>>> 1140 Boylston Street
>>>>> Boston, MA 02215-3693
>>>>>
>>>>> 617-747-2485 (office)
>>>>> 774-488-9166 (cell)
>>>>>
>>>>> rboulanger@berklee.edu
>>>>> http://csounds.com/boulanger
>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> http://csounds.com/mathews
>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 18, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A feat would be to convince Ableton to use the API directly...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2011, at 17:30, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the name is somewhat confusing. Csound4Max4Live is
>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>> more accurate, as you will need Max4Live to run it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound
>>>>>>>> used as a
>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton
>>>>>>>> Live.
>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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come on man!!

2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
> Hi!
>
> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
> Is it free or does it cost money?
>
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More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:

> come on man!!
>
> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>> Hi!
>>
>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used  
>> as a
>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>
>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>
>>
>>
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If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
and arbitrary multichannel audio.

I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to 'listen'.

P


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> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> come on man!!
>>
>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Hi,

It's interesting that the 3 major free synthesis languages all have
different licenses. Csound is LGPL, SC is GPL and PD is BSD.

Cheers,
Andrés

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:55 AM, peiman khosravi
 wrote:
> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>
> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to 'listen'.
>
> P
>
>
> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> come on man!!
>>>
>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context:
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA,  
VST with Cabbage etc)

But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users  
list? One of the guys was even banned for swearing.

Victor
On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:

> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>
> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to  
> 'listen'.
>
> P
>
>
> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini  
>  wrote:
>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> come on man!!
>>>
>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used  
>>>> as a
>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context:
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>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>
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>>
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>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
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>>
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I will find out who the person is and let you know.

P

On 19 October 2011 11:10, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST with
> Cabbage etc)
>
> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users list?
> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>
> Victor
> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>
>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>> 'listen'.
>>
>> P
>>
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> come on man!!
>>>>
>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
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> NUI Maynooth Ireland
> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>
>
>
>
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I don't know if reaper has an accessible API. I like reaper a lot but
I'm not sure I'm in favour of integrating Csound into any closed
source commercial project, nor am I sure there is any real need.

On 19 October 2011 11:10, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST with
> Cabbage etc)
>
> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users list?
> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>
> Victor
> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>
>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>> 'listen'.
>>
>> P
>>
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> come on man!!
>>>>
>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>> Senior Lecturer
>>> Dept. of Music
>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
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> NUI Maynooth Ireland
> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>
>
>
>
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I had some dealings with Cuckos last year, I must say they were most
helpful. I'm trying to find the name of the chap I dealt with but my
college mail is down..


On 19 October 2011 11:18, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> I don't know if reaper has an accessible API. I like reaper a lot but
> I'm not sure I'm in favour of integrating Csound into any closed
> source commercial project, nor am I sure there is any real need.
>
> On 19 October 2011 11:10, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST with
>> Cabbage etc)
>>
>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users list?
>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>
>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>> 'listen'.
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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>> Senior Lecturer
>> Dept. of Music
>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Doesn't Nuendo support unlimited multi-channel? As long as it's
interleaved? I vote for Reaper though.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM, peiman khosravi
 wrote:
> I will find out who the person is and let you know.
>
> P
>
> On 19 October 2011 11:10, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST with
>> Cabbage etc)
>>
>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users list?
>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>
>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>> 'listen'.
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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>> Dept. of Music
>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Hi Rory,

I understand your concerns re closed source projects but as a user all
I care about is the end product. If I have to pay for a DAW to improve
my work-flow and creative hours then I will do so (as long as I can
afford it!).

Best,

P

On 19 October 2011 11:19, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> I had some dealings with Cuckos last year, I must say they were most
> helpful. I'm trying to find the name of the chap I dealt with but my
> college mail is down..
>
>
> On 19 October 2011 11:18, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> I don't know if reaper has an accessible API. I like reaper a lot but
>> I'm not sure I'm in favour of integrating Csound into any closed
>> source commercial project, nor am I sure there is any real need.
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 11:10, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST with
>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>
>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users list?
>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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It's not the cost that puts me off. Reaper and Renoise are amazing
tools and come with an excellent and fair price tag. If been waiting a
long time for such great software to come along at such a reasonable
price. It's the longevity of closed source projects that bothers me,
especially new companies like Cuckos and Renoise. Cycling74 have
professional developers, so once they got the go-ahead from Live it
was all systems go. It could take non-paid Csound developers years to
integrate Csound into a closed source DAW. By the time they finish the
software could be defunct or bought up by some other company, or
completely changed direction. Of course I'd like to see Csound
integrated into all top DAWs, I'm not against it per say, just voicing
some concerns.

On 19 October 2011 11:33, peiman khosravi  wrote:
> Hi Rory,
>
> I understand your concerns re closed source projects but as a user all
> I care about is the end product. If I have to pay for a DAW to improve
> my work-flow and creative hours then I will do so (as long as I can
> afford it!).
>
> Best,
>
> P
>
> On 19 October 2011 11:19, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> I had some dealings with Cuckos last year, I must say they were most
>> helpful. I'm trying to find the name of the chap I dealt with but my
>> college mail is down..
>>
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 11:18, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> I don't know if reaper has an accessible API. I like reaper a lot but
>>> I'm not sure I'm in favour of integrating Csound into any closed
>>> source commercial project, nor am I sure there is any real need.
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 11:10, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST with
>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>
>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users list?
>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>
>>>>> P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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And from my perspective, if Csound can hitch a ride on as many  
applications as possible, it should bring more users.

Regards

Victor
On 19 Oct 2011, at 11:33, peiman khosravi wrote:

> Hi Rory,
>
> I understand your concerns re closed source projects but as a user all
> I care about is the end product. If I have to pay for a DAW to improve
> my work-flow and creative hours then I will do so (as long as I can
> afford it!).
>
> Best,
>
> P
>
> On 19 October 2011 11:19, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> I had some dealings with Cuckos last year, I must say they were most
>> helpful. I'm trying to find the name of the chap I dealt with but my
>> college mail is down..
>>
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 11:18, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> I don't know if reaper has an accessible API. I like reaper a lot  
>>> but
>>> I'm not sure I'm in favour of integrating Csound into any closed
>>> source commercial project, nor am I sure there is any real need.
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 11:10, Victor Lazzarini  
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins  
>>>> (LADSPA, VST with
>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>
>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC  
>>>> users list?
>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please  
>>>>> let it
>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support  
>>>>> unlimited
>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>
>>>>> P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini >>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound  
>>>>>>>> used as a
>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton  
>>>>>>>> Live.
>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at  
>>>>>>>> Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>          https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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But we would not do it ourselves. We would suggest it to them and  
support their efforts. I don't see myself working for free for a  
closed-source product...
A grad student project is also another possibility.

Victor
On 19 Oct 2011, at 11:44, Rory Walsh wrote:

> It's not the cost that puts me off. Reaper and Renoise are amazing
> tools and come with an excellent and fair price tag. If been waiting a
> long time for such great software to come along at such a reasonable
> price. It's the longevity of closed source projects that bothers me,
> especially new companies like Cuckos and Renoise. Cycling74 have
> professional developers, so once they got the go-ahead from Live it
> was all systems go. It could take non-paid Csound developers years to
> integrate Csound into a closed source DAW. By the time they finish the
> software could be defunct or bought up by some other company, or
> completely changed direction. Of course I'd like to see Csound
> integrated into all top DAWs, I'm not against it per say, just voicing
> some concerns.
>
> On 19 October 2011 11:33, peiman khosravi   
> wrote:
>> Hi Rory,
>>
>> I understand your concerns re closed source projects but as a user  
>> all
>> I care about is the end product. If I have to pay for a DAW to  
>> improve
>> my work-flow and creative hours then I will do so (as long as I can
>> afford it!).
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> P
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 11:19, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> I had some dealings with Cuckos last year, I must say they were most
>>> helpful. I'm trying to find the name of the chap I dealt with but my
>>> college mail is down..
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 11:18, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>> I don't know if reaper has an accessible API. I like reaper a lot  
>>>> but
>>>> I'm not sure I'm in favour of integrating Csound into any closed
>>>> source commercial project, nor am I sure there is any real need.
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 11:10, Victor Lazzarini >>> > wrote:
>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins  
>>>>> (LADSPA, VST with
>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>
>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC  
>>>>> users list?
>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please  
>>>>>> let it
>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support  
>>>>>> unlimited
>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing  
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini >>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound  
>>>>>>>>> used as a
>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like  
>>>>>>>>> Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at  
>>>>>>>>> Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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mhh I think Nuendo's inbuilt panners are limited.

P

On 19 October 2011 11:22, Rick  wrote:
> Doesn't Nuendo support unlimited multi-channel? As long as it's
> interleaved? I vote for Reaper though.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM, peiman khosravi
>  wrote:
>> I will find out who the person is and let you know.
>>
>> P
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 11:10, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST with
>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>
>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users list?
>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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Ah! Ok. Yes, for sure, great idea, get them to do it! I was having
nightmarish visions of Csound developers spending their valuable time
on this...

On 19 October 2011 11:52, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> But we would not do it ourselves. We would suggest it to them and support
> their efforts. I don't see myself working for free for a closed-source
> product...
> A grad student project is also another possibility.
>
> Victor
> On 19 Oct 2011, at 11:44, Rory Walsh wrote:
>
>> It's not the cost that puts me off. Reaper and Renoise are amazing
>> tools and come with an excellent and fair price tag. If been waiting a
>> long time for such great software to come along at such a reasonable
>> price. It's the longevity of closed source projects that bothers me,
>> especially new companies like Cuckos and Renoise. Cycling74 have
>> professional developers, so once they got the go-ahead from Live it
>> was all systems go. It could take non-paid Csound developers years to
>> integrate Csound into a closed source DAW. By the time they finish the
>> software could be defunct or bought up by some other company, or
>> completely changed direction. Of course I'd like to see Csound
>> integrated into all top DAWs, I'm not against it per say, just voicing
>> some concerns.
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 11:33, peiman khosravi 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Rory,
>>>
>>> I understand your concerns re closed source projects but as a user all
>>> I care about is the end product. If I have to pay for a DAW to improve
>>> my work-flow and creative hours then I will do so (as long as I can
>>> afford it!).
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 11:19, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had some dealings with Cuckos last year, I must say they were most
>>>> helpful. I'm trying to find the name of the chap I dealt with but my
>>>> college mail is down..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 11:18, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if reaper has an accessible API. I like reaper a lot but
>>>>> I'm not sure I'm in favour of integrating Csound into any closed
>>>>> source commercial project, nor am I sure there is any real need.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 October 2011 11:10, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA,
>>>>>> VST with
>>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users
>>>>>> list?
>>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used
>>>>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton
>>>>>>>>>> Live.
>>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>
>
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 Reaper has a pretty cool programming interface for plug-ins.

http://www.reaper.fm/sdk/js/js.php

P

On 19 October 2011 11:44, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> It's not the cost that puts me off. Reaper and Renoise are amazing
> tools and come with an excellent and fair price tag. If been waiting a
> long time for such great software to come along at such a reasonable
> price. It's the longevity of closed source projects that bothers me,
> especially new companies like Cuckos and Renoise. Cycling74 have
> professional developers, so once they got the go-ahead from Live it
> was all systems go. It could take non-paid Csound developers years to
> integrate Csound into a closed source DAW. By the time they finish the
> software could be defunct or bought up by some other company, or
> completely changed direction. Of course I'd like to see Csound
> integrated into all top DAWs, I'm not against it per say, just voicing
> some concerns.
>
> On 19 October 2011 11:33, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>> Hi Rory,
>>
>> I understand your concerns re closed source projects but as a user all
>> I care about is the end product. If I have to pay for a DAW to improve
>> my work-flow and creative hours then I will do so (as long as I can
>> afford it!).
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> P
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 11:19, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> I had some dealings with Cuckos last year, I must say they were most
>>> helpful. I'm trying to find the name of the chap I dealt with but my
>>> college mail is down..
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 11:18, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>> I don't know if reaper has an accessible API. I like reaper a lot but
>>>> I'm not sure I'm in favour of integrating Csound into any closed
>>>> source commercial project, nor am I sure there is any real need.
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 11:10, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST with
>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>
>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users list?
>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>          https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Using this framework users should be able to access the Csound API
easily enough?

On 19 October 2011 11:57, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>  Reaper has a pretty cool programming interface for plug-ins.
>
> http://www.reaper.fm/sdk/js/js.php
>
> P
>
> On 19 October 2011 11:44, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> It's not the cost that puts me off. Reaper and Renoise are amazing
>> tools and come with an excellent and fair price tag. If been waiting a
>> long time for such great software to come along at such a reasonable
>> price. It's the longevity of closed source projects that bothers me,
>> especially new companies like Cuckos and Renoise. Cycling74 have
>> professional developers, so once they got the go-ahead from Live it
>> was all systems go. It could take non-paid Csound developers years to
>> integrate Csound into a closed source DAW. By the time they finish the
>> software could be defunct or bought up by some other company, or
>> completely changed direction. Of course I'd like to see Csound
>> integrated into all top DAWs, I'm not against it per say, just voicing
>> some concerns.
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 11:33, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>> Hi Rory,
>>>
>>> I understand your concerns re closed source projects but as a user all
>>> I care about is the end product. If I have to pay for a DAW to improve
>>> my work-flow and creative hours then I will do so (as long as I can
>>> afford it!).
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 11:19, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>> I had some dealings with Cuckos last year, I must say they were most
>>>> helpful. I'm trying to find the name of the chap I dealt with but my
>>>> college mail is down..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 11:18, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>> I don't know if reaper has an accessible API. I like reaper a lot but
>>>>> I'm not sure I'm in favour of integrating Csound into any closed
>>>>> source commercial project, nor am I sure there is any real need.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 October 2011 11:10, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST with
>>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users list?
>>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
>>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>>>>>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
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Yeah on the other hand with ardour its just sweat equity, if I
integrated csound into ardour I could turn around and donate my code
back to the project and if its well done, its likely it would be
accepted.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> It's not the cost that puts me off. Reaper and Renoise are amazing
> tools and come with an excellent and fair price tag. If been waiting a
> long time for such great software to come along at such a reasonable
> price. It's the longevity of closed source projects that bothers me,
> especially new companies like Cuckos and Renoise. Cycling74 have
> professional developers, so once they got the go-ahead from Live it
> was all systems go. It could take non-paid Csound developers years to
> integrate Csound into a closed source DAW. By the time they finish the
> software could be defunct or bought up by some other company, or
> completely changed direction. Of course I'd like to see Csound
> integrated into all top DAWs, I'm not against it per say, just voicing
> some concerns.
>
> On 19 October 2011 11:33, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>> Hi Rory,
>>
>> I understand your concerns re closed source projects but as a user all
>> I care about is the end product. If I have to pay for a DAW to improve
>> my work-flow and creative hours then I will do so (as long as I can
>> afford it!).
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> P
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 11:19, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> I had some dealings with Cuckos last year, I must say they were most
>>> helpful. I'm trying to find the name of the chap I dealt with but my
>>> college mail is down..
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 11:18, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>> I don't know if reaper has an accessible API. I like reaper a lot but
>>>> I'm not sure I'm in favour of integrating Csound into any closed
>>>> source commercial project, nor am I sure there is any real need.
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 11:10, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST with
>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>
>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users list?
>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and gives
the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
 wrote:
> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST with
> Cabbage etc)
>
> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users list?
> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>
> Victor
> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>
>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>> 'listen'.
>>
>> P
>>
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> come on man!!
>>>>
>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as a
>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>> "unsubscribe
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>> Senior Lecturer
>>> Dept. of Music
>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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>
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
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> NUI Maynooth Ireland
> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>
>
>
>
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But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is  
already a plus.

Victor
On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:

> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and gives
> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>  wrote:
>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA,  
>> VST with
>> Cabbage etc)
>>
>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC  
>> users list?
>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>
>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>> 'listen'.
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini  
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>
>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound  
>>>>>> used as a
>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton  
>>>>>> Live.
>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at  
>>>>>> Nabble.com.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>          https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> "unsubscribe
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>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
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>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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No disrespect to the Ardour developers. It's an amazing piece of
software considering that it is not making much [or any] in the way of
profit.

When it works it really works. But I spend more time recovering from
crashed or randomly corrupt session (just today I lost a whole day's
worth of work because the regions where randomly misplaced for some
unexplained reason). Then as the session gets complex it take 15 mins
to load it, so after every crash I have to wait 15 mins, and that
happens at least 10 times a day! Wish I could do all my mixing in
Csound!

I'm just bouncing down all my tracks to import into reaper. Cannot
cope with Ardour's ways anymore!!

P


On 19 October 2011 17:54, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is already a
> plus.
>
> Victor
> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:
>
>> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
>> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and gives
>> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST
>>> with
>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>
>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users
>>> list?
>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
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>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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>
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>
>
>
>
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Not good. I hope Reaper works out better for you.

On 19 October 2011 18:39, peiman khosravi  wrote:
> No disrespect to the Ardour developers. It's an amazing piece of
> software considering that it is not making much [or any] in the way of
> profit.
>
> When it works it really works. But I spend more time recovering from
> crashed or randomly corrupt session (just today I lost a whole day's
> worth of work because the regions where randomly misplaced for some
> unexplained reason). Then as the session gets complex it take 15 mins
> to load it, so after every crash I have to wait 15 mins, and that
> happens at least 10 times a day! Wish I could do all my mixing in
> Csound!
>
> I'm just bouncing down all my tracks to import into reaper. Cannot
> cope with Ardour's ways anymore!!
>
> P
>
>
> On 19 October 2011 17:54, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>> But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is already a
>> plus.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:
>>
>>> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
>>> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and gives
>>> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST
>>>> with
>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>
>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users
>>>> list?
>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>
>>>>> P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>> "unsubscribe
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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yes, thanks. I hope so too. If it doesn't the only other alternative
is protools 9 with the full production pack or nuendo that both cost
heavily.

P

On 19 October 2011 19:05, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> Not good. I hope Reaper works out better for you.
>
> On 19 October 2011 18:39, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>> No disrespect to the Ardour developers. It's an amazing piece of
>> software considering that it is not making much [or any] in the way of
>> profit.
>>
>> When it works it really works. But I spend more time recovering from
>> crashed or randomly corrupt session (just today I lost a whole day's
>> worth of work because the regions where randomly misplaced for some
>> unexplained reason). Then as the session gets complex it take 15 mins
>> to load it, so after every crash I have to wait 15 mins, and that
>> happens at least 10 times a day! Wish I could do all my mixing in
>> Csound!
>>
>> I'm just bouncing down all my tracks to import into reaper. Cannot
>> cope with Ardour's ways anymore!!
>>
>> P
>>
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 17:54, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>> But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is already a
>>> plus.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:
>>>
>>>> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
>>>> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and gives
>>>> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST
>>>>> with
>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>
>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users
>>>>> list?
>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>
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have you thought about building a Csound mixer with max/msp? would it work?


On 19 October 2011 19:11, peiman khosravi  wrote:
> yes, thanks. I hope so too. If it doesn't the only other alternative
> is protools 9 with the full production pack or nuendo that both cost
> heavily.
>
> P
>
> On 19 October 2011 19:05, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> Not good. I hope Reaper works out better for you.
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 18:39, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>> No disrespect to the Ardour developers. It's an amazing piece of
>>> software considering that it is not making much [or any] in the way of
>>> profit.
>>>
>>> When it works it really works. But I spend more time recovering from
>>> crashed or randomly corrupt session (just today I lost a whole day's
>>> worth of work because the regions where randomly misplaced for some
>>> unexplained reason). Then as the session gets complex it take 15 mins
>>> to load it, so after every crash I have to wait 15 mins, and that
>>> happens at least 10 times a day! Wish I could do all my mixing in
>>> Csound!
>>>
>>> I'm just bouncing down all my tracks to import into reaper. Cannot
>>> cope with Ardour's ways anymore!!
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 17:54, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>> But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is already a
>>>> plus.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
>>>>> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and gives
>>>>> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users
>>>>>> list?
>>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Speaking of doing all your mixing in Csound, I've actually done that
before. It's just a matter of (in my case) making as many throwaway
CSDs as there are tracks initially, and then mixing them all down with
a "master" CSD. Unfortunately this method doesn't work for most
people.

On 10/19/11, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> Not good. I hope Reaper works out better for you.
>
> On 19 October 2011 18:39, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>> No disrespect to the Ardour developers. It's an amazing piece of
>> software considering that it is not making much [or any] in the way of
>> profit.
>>
>> When it works it really works. But I spend more time recovering from
>> crashed or randomly corrupt session (just today I lost a whole day's
>> worth of work because the regions where randomly misplaced for some
>> unexplained reason). Then as the session gets complex it take 15 mins
>> to load it, so after every crash I have to wait 15 mins, and that
>> happens at least 10 times a day! Wish I could do all my mixing in
>> Csound!
>>
>> I'm just bouncing down all my tracks to import into reaper. Cannot
>> cope with Ardour's ways anymore!!
>>
>> P
>>
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 17:54, Victor Lazzarini 
>> wrote:
>>> But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is already
>>> a
>>> plus.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:
>>>
>>>> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
>>>> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and gives
>>>> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST
>>>>> with
>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>
>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users
>>>>> list?
>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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mhh that would be too much work. I'd need to be able to edit audio on
a timeline. And besides I think it would take far too many hours to
code something like that.

P

On 19 October 2011 19:15, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> have you thought about building a Csound mixer with max/msp? would it work?
>
>
> On 19 October 2011 19:11, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>> yes, thanks. I hope so too. If it doesn't the only other alternative
>> is protools 9 with the full production pack or nuendo that both cost
>> heavily.
>>
>> P
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 19:05, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> Not good. I hope Reaper works out better for you.
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 18:39, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>>> No disrespect to the Ardour developers. It's an amazing piece of
>>>> software considering that it is not making much [or any] in the way of
>>>> profit.
>>>>
>>>> When it works it really works. But I spend more time recovering from
>>>> crashed or randomly corrupt session (just today I lost a whole day's
>>>> worth of work because the regions where randomly misplaced for some
>>>> unexplained reason). Then as the session gets complex it take 15 mins
>>>> to load it, so after every crash I have to wait 15 mins, and that
>>>> happens at least 10 times a day! Wish I could do all my mixing in
>>>> Csound!
>>>>
>>>> I'm just bouncing down all my tracks to import into reaper. Cannot
>>>> cope with Ardour's ways anymore!!
>>>>
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 17:54, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>> But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is already a
>>>>> plus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
>>>>>> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and gives
>>>>>> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users
>>>>>>> list?
>>>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Well, you already know my plans Peiman to add audio tracks to blue, so
hopefully at some point you can just use blue for everything. :P

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:21 PM, peiman khosravi
 wrote:
> mhh that would be too much work. I'd need to be able to edit audio on
> a timeline. And besides I think it would take far too many hours to
> code something like that.
>
> P
>
> On 19 October 2011 19:15, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> have you thought about building a Csound mixer with max/msp? would it work?
>>
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 19:11, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>> yes, thanks. I hope so too. If it doesn't the only other alternative
>>> is protools 9 with the full production pack or nuendo that both cost
>>> heavily.
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 19:05, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>> Not good. I hope Reaper works out better for you.
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 18:39, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>>>> No disrespect to the Ardour developers. It's an amazing piece of
>>>>> software considering that it is not making much [or any] in the way of
>>>>> profit.
>>>>>
>>>>> When it works it really works. But I spend more time recovering from
>>>>> crashed or randomly corrupt session (just today I lost a whole day's
>>>>> worth of work because the regions where randomly misplaced for some
>>>>> unexplained reason). Then as the session gets complex it take 15 mins
>>>>> to load it, so after every crash I have to wait 15 mins, and that
>>>>> happens at least 10 times a day! Wish I could do all my mixing in
>>>>> Csound!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just bouncing down all my tracks to import into reaper. Cannot
>>>>> cope with Ardour's ways anymore!!
>>>>>
>>>>> P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 October 2011 17:54, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>>> But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is already a
>>>>>> plus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
>>>>>>> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and gives
>>>>>>> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users
>>>>>>>> list?
>>>>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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yes yes!! that will be the day :-)

P

On 19 October 2011 19:40, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Well, you already know my plans Peiman to add audio tracks to blue, so
> hopefully at some point you can just use blue for everything. :P
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:21 PM, peiman khosravi
>  wrote:
>> mhh that would be too much work. I'd need to be able to edit audio on
>> a timeline. And besides I think it would take far too many hours to
>> code something like that.
>>
>> P
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 19:15, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> have you thought about building a Csound mixer with max/msp? would it work?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 19:11, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>>> yes, thanks. I hope so too. If it doesn't the only other alternative
>>>> is protools 9 with the full production pack or nuendo that both cost
>>>> heavily.
>>>>
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 19:05, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>> Not good. I hope Reaper works out better for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 October 2011 18:39, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>>>>> No disrespect to the Ardour developers. It's an amazing piece of
>>>>>> software considering that it is not making much [or any] in the way of
>>>>>> profit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When it works it really works. But I spend more time recovering from
>>>>>> crashed or randomly corrupt session (just today I lost a whole day's
>>>>>> worth of work because the regions where randomly misplaced for some
>>>>>> unexplained reason). Then as the session gets complex it take 15 mins
>>>>>> to load it, so after every crash I have to wait 15 mins, and that
>>>>>> happens at least 10 times a day! Wish I could do all my mixing in
>>>>>> Csound!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm just bouncing down all my tracks to import into reaper. Cannot
>>>>>> cope with Ardour's ways anymore!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 17:54, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>>>> But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is already a
>>>>>>> plus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
>>>>>>>> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and gives
>>>>>>>> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users
>>>>>>>>> list?
>>>>>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>
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Steven,

Speaking of Blue, I tried using it once and my screen reader would not
read me the controls. Do you know of any way you can "accessify" it,
like with the Java Access Bridge, or using accessible Swing objects?

On 10/19/11, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Well, you already know my plans Peiman to add audio tracks to blue, so
> hopefully at some point you can just use blue for everything. :P
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:21 PM, peiman khosravi
>  wrote:
>> mhh that would be too much work. I'd need to be able to edit audio on
>> a timeline. And besides I think it would take far too many hours to
>> code something like that.
>>
>> P
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 19:15, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> have you thought about building a Csound mixer with max/msp? would it
>>> work?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 19:11, peiman khosravi 
>>> wrote:
>>>> yes, thanks. I hope so too. If it doesn't the only other alternative
>>>> is protools 9 with the full production pack or nuendo that both cost
>>>> heavily.
>>>>
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 19:05, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>> Not good. I hope Reaper works out better for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 October 2011 18:39, peiman khosravi 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> No disrespect to the Ardour developers. It's an amazing piece of
>>>>>> software considering that it is not making much [or any] in the way of
>>>>>> profit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When it works it really works. But I spend more time recovering from
>>>>>> crashed or randomly corrupt session (just today I lost a whole day's
>>>>>> worth of work because the regions where randomly misplaced for some
>>>>>> unexplained reason). Then as the session gets complex it take 15 mins
>>>>>> to load it, so after every crash I have to wait 15 mins, and that
>>>>>> happens at least 10 times a day! Wish I could do all my mixing in
>>>>>> Csound!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm just bouncing down all my tracks to import into reaper. Cannot
>>>>>> cope with Ardour's ways anymore!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 17:54, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is
>>>>>>> already a
>>>>>>> plus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
>>>>>>>> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and
>>>>>>>> gives
>>>>>>>> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA,
>>>>>>>>> VST
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC
>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>> list?
>>>>>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support
>>>>>>>>>> unlimited
>>>>>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound
>>>>>>>>>>>>> used as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Knowing Steven as we do I wouldn't be surprised if that days comes pretty soon!

On 19 October 2011 19:42, peiman khosravi  wrote:
> yes yes!! that will be the day :-)
>
> P
>
> On 19 October 2011 19:40, Steven Yi  wrote:
>> Well, you already know my plans Peiman to add audio tracks to blue, so
>> hopefully at some point you can just use blue for everything. :P
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:21 PM, peiman khosravi
>>  wrote:
>>> mhh that would be too much work. I'd need to be able to edit audio on
>>> a timeline. And besides I think it would take far too many hours to
>>> code something like that.
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 19:15, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>> have you thought about building a Csound mixer with max/msp? would it work?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 19:11, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>>>> yes, thanks. I hope so too. If it doesn't the only other alternative
>>>>> is protools 9 with the full production pack or nuendo that both cost
>>>>> heavily.
>>>>>
>>>>> P
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 October 2011 19:05, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>>> Not good. I hope Reaper works out better for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 18:39, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>>>>>> No disrespect to the Ardour developers. It's an amazing piece of
>>>>>>> software considering that it is not making much [or any] in the way of
>>>>>>> profit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When it works it really works. But I spend more time recovering from
>>>>>>> crashed or randomly corrupt session (just today I lost a whole day's
>>>>>>> worth of work because the regions where randomly misplaced for some
>>>>>>> unexplained reason). Then as the session gets complex it take 15 mins
>>>>>>> to load it, so after every crash I have to wait 15 mins, and that
>>>>>>> happens at least 10 times a day! Wish I could do all my mixing in
>>>>>>> Csound!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm just bouncing down all my tracks to import into reaper. Cannot
>>>>>>> cope with Ardour's ways anymore!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 17:54, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>>>>> But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is already a
>>>>>>>> plus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
>>>>>>>>> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and gives
>>>>>>>>> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>>>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users
>>>>>>>>>> list?
>>>>>>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>>>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>>>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Hi Adam,

Yes this seems like a good way of working. I have been at ties tempted
by similar methods, but I'm far too messy to be able to cope with
this!

Peiman

On 19 October 2011 19:20, Adam Puckett  wrote:
> Speaking of doing all your mixing in Csound, I've actually done that
> before. It's just a matter of (in my case) making as many throwaway
> CSDs as there are tracks initially, and then mixing them all down with
> a "master" CSD. Unfortunately this method doesn't work for most
> people.
>
> On 10/19/11, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> Not good. I hope Reaper works out better for you.
>>
>> On 19 October 2011 18:39, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>> No disrespect to the Ardour developers. It's an amazing piece of
>>> software considering that it is not making much [or any] in the way of
>>> profit.
>>>
>>> When it works it really works. But I spend more time recovering from
>>> crashed or randomly corrupt session (just today I lost a whole day's
>>> worth of work because the regions where randomly misplaced for some
>>> unexplained reason). Then as the session gets complex it take 15 mins
>>> to load it, so after every crash I have to wait 15 mins, and that
>>> happens at least 10 times a day! Wish I could do all my mixing in
>>> Csound!
>>>
>>> I'm just bouncing down all my tracks to import into reaper. Cannot
>>> cope with Ardour's ways anymore!!
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 17:54, Victor Lazzarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>> But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is already
>>>> a
>>>> plus.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
>>>>> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and gives
>>>>> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users
>>>>>> list?
>>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Hi Adam,

I have not ever developed software that worked with screen readers.  I
did a little bit of research and it looks like the Java Access Bridge
requires installing something on the user's computer in their JVM
directory.

There is a project called SodBeans (http://sodbeans.sourceforge.net/)
which is developed specifically to enhance accessibility for the blind
for the Netbeans Platform (which is the library I use for blue's
development).  It has a sub component called Phonemic
(http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sodbeans/wiki/Phonemic) that says it
works with JAWS and other readers.  I can look further into that
project to see what is required to make that work; if it's a drop-in
then that'd be rather nice, but I assume I'd have to go through the
entire UI of blue and fix up things for proper accessibility,
especially for the custom components.

I've recorded a todo in my todo program to further research.  I am not
sure when I'd be able to get to something like this though, as I have
quite a full development schedule planned at the moment, so no
estimates on time.

Thanks though for asking about this!
steven


On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Adam Puckett  wrote:
> Steven,
>
> Speaking of Blue, I tried using it once and my screen reader would not
> read me the controls. Do you know of any way you can "accessify" it,
> like with the Java Access Bridge, or using accessible Swing objects?
>
> On 10/19/11, Steven Yi  wrote:
>> Well, you already know my plans Peiman to add audio tracks to blue, so
>> hopefully at some point you can just use blue for everything. :P
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:21 PM, peiman khosravi
>>  wrote:
>>> mhh that would be too much work. I'd need to be able to edit audio on
>>> a timeline. And besides I think it would take far too many hours to
>>> code something like that.
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 19:15, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>> have you thought about building a Csound mixer with max/msp? would it
>>>> work?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 19:11, peiman khosravi 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> yes, thanks. I hope so too. If it doesn't the only other alternative
>>>>> is protools 9 with the full production pack or nuendo that both cost
>>>>> heavily.
>>>>>
>>>>> P
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 October 2011 19:05, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>>> Not good. I hope Reaper works out better for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 18:39, peiman khosravi 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> No disrespect to the Ardour developers. It's an amazing piece of
>>>>>>> software considering that it is not making much [or any] in the way of
>>>>>>> profit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When it works it really works. But I spend more time recovering from
>>>>>>> crashed or randomly corrupt session (just today I lost a whole day's
>>>>>>> worth of work because the regions where randomly misplaced for some
>>>>>>> unexplained reason). Then as the session gets complex it take 15 mins
>>>>>>> to load it, so after every crash I have to wait 15 mins, and that
>>>>>>> happens at least 10 times a day! Wish I could do all my mixing in
>>>>>>> Csound!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm just bouncing down all my tracks to import into reaper. Cannot
>>>>>>> cope with Ardour's ways anymore!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 17:54, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is
>>>>>>>> already a
>>>>>>>> plus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
>>>>>>>>> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and
>>>>>>>>> gives
>>>>>>>>> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>>>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA,
>>>>>>>>>> VST
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC
>>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>>> list?
>>>>>>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support
>>>>>>>>>>> unlimited
>>>>>>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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I took some Java classes in college, so if there is a way to download
Blue's source, perhaps I could make the project accessible on my own
machine. However, some people have told me Java is too much of a pain
when it comes to accessibility. I was actually thinking of possibly
integrating FreeTTS (another Java application) into Blue to make it
self-voicing, like the Firefox extension known as Fire Vox which
implements similar functionality.

On 10/19/11, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> I have not ever developed software that worked with screen readers.  I
> did a little bit of research and it looks like the Java Access Bridge
> requires installing something on the user's computer in their JVM
> directory.
>
> There is a project called SodBeans (http://sodbeans.sourceforge.net/)
> which is developed specifically to enhance accessibility for the blind
> for the Netbeans Platform (which is the library I use for blue's
> development).  It has a sub component called Phonemic
> (http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sodbeans/wiki/Phonemic) that says it
> works with JAWS and other readers.  I can look further into that
> project to see what is required to make that work; if it's a drop-in
> then that'd be rather nice, but I assume I'd have to go through the
> entire UI of blue and fix up things for proper accessibility,
> especially for the custom components.
>
> I've recorded a todo in my todo program to further research.  I am not
> sure when I'd be able to get to something like this though, as I have
> quite a full development schedule planned at the moment, so no
> estimates on time.
>
> Thanks though for asking about this!
> steven
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Adam Puckett 
> wrote:
>> Steven,
>>
>> Speaking of Blue, I tried using it once and my screen reader would not
>> read me the controls. Do you know of any way you can "accessify" it,
>> like with the Java Access Bridge, or using accessible Swing objects?
>>
>> On 10/19/11, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>> Well, you already know my plans Peiman to add audio tracks to blue, so
>>> hopefully at some point you can just use blue for everything. :P
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:21 PM, peiman khosravi
>>>  wrote:
>>>> mhh that would be too much work. I'd need to be able to edit audio on
>>>> a timeline. And besides I think it would take far too many hours to
>>>> code something like that.
>>>>
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 19:15, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>> have you thought about building a Csound mixer with max/msp? would it
>>>>> work?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 October 2011 19:11, peiman khosravi 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> yes, thanks. I hope so too. If it doesn't the only other alternative
>>>>>> is protools 9 with the full production pack or nuendo that both cost
>>>>>> heavily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 19:05, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>>>>> Not good. I hope Reaper works out better for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 18:39, peiman khosravi 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> No disrespect to the Ardour developers. It's an amazing piece of
>>>>>>>> software considering that it is not making much [or any] in the way
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> profit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When it works it really works. But I spend more time recovering from
>>>>>>>> crashed or randomly corrupt session (just today I lost a whole day's
>>>>>>>> worth of work because the regions where randomly misplaced for some
>>>>>>>> unexplained reason). Then as the session gets complex it take 15
>>>>>>>> mins
>>>>>>>> to load it, so after every crash I have to wait 15 mins, and that
>>>>>>>> happens at least 10 times a day! Wish I could do all my mixing in
>>>>>>>> Csound!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm just bouncing down all my tracks to import into reaper. Cannot
>>>>>>>> cope with Ardour's ways anymore!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 17:54, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is
>>>>>>>>> already a
>>>>>>>>> plus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
>>>>>>>>>> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and
>>>>>>>>>> gives
>>>>>>>>>> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins
>>>>>>>>>>> (LADSPA,
>>>>>>>>>>> VST
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC
>>>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>>>> list?
>>>>>>>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please
>>>>>>>>>>>> let
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support
>>>>>>>>>>>> unlimited
>>>>>>>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/CsoundForLive-tp4914234p4914234.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nabble.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> "unsubscribe
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> "unsubscribe
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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I have seriously considered something like this, with a Makefile driving the whole thing (edit all the csds as appropriate, run make, and then hear the new version of the mix).

peiman khosravi wrote:
> Hi Adam,
> 
> Yes this seems like a good way of working. I have been at ties tempted
> by similar methods, but I'm far too messy to be able to cope with
> this!
> 
> Peiman
> 
> On 19 October 2011 19:20, Adam Puckett  wrote:
>> Speaking of doing all your mixing in Csound, I've actually done that
>> before. It's just a matter of (in my case) making as many throwaway
>> CSDs as there are tracks initially, and then mixing them all down with
>> a "master" CSD. Unfortunately this method doesn't work for most
>> people.
>>
>> On 10/19/11, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> Not good. I hope Reaper works out better for you.
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2011 18:39, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>>> No disrespect to the Ardour developers. It's an amazing piece of
>>>> software considering that it is not making much [or any] in the way of
>>>> profit.
>>>>
>>>> When it works it really works. But I spend more time recovering from
>>>> crashed or randomly corrupt session (just today I lost a whole day's
>>>> worth of work because the regions where randomly misplaced for some
>>>> unexplained reason). Then as the session gets complex it take 15 mins
>>>> to load it, so after every crash I have to wait 15 mins, and that
>>>> happens at least 10 times a day! Wish I could do all my mixing in
>>>> Csound!
>>>>
>>>> I'm just bouncing down all my tracks to import into reaper. Cannot
>>>> cope with Ardour's ways anymore!!
>>>>
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 October 2011 17:54, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> But you can still use LADSPA effects created in Csound, which is already
>>>>> a
>>>>> plus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 17:45, Brian Redfern wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> To really integrate well with ardour, you want the ability to use
>>>>>> csound with lv2, similar to vst, its the successor to ladspa and gives
>>>>>> the ability to run both effects and plugin instruments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, who is the person to talk to in Reaper?
>>>>>>> I guess Ardour integration is already possible via plugins (LADSPA, VST
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> Cabbage etc)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But wasn't it funny that some many people got rattled in the SC users
>>>>>>> list?
>>>>>>> One of the guys was even banned for swearing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 10:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If there is to be a full integration with a DAW please please let it
>>>>>>>> be reaper or Ardour. These are the only DAWs that support unlimited
>>>>>>>> and arbitrary multichannel audio.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure that the reaper development team would be more willing to
>>>>>>>> 'listen'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 19 October 2011 07:38, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> More discussion of this in the Supercollider list!
>>>>>>>>> On 19 Oct 2011, at 00:40, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> come on man!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2011/10/18 Bjørn Houdorf :
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I really not happy to see an open source project like Csound used
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> "plug-in" to a commercial closed sourced product like Ableton Live.
>>>>>>>>>>> Is it free or does it cost money?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://new-supercollider-mailing-lists-forums-use-these.2681727.n2.nabble.com/csound-for-live-td6901570.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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