I'm interested in putting videos on YouTube (as I mentioned in a
previous thread a long time ago). I know how to work with the audio
end of things, and I am trying to learn (using FFMpeg sources) how to
manipulate the video side, and so far I'm not making as much progress
as I'd hoped, unfortunately. Is there something simple, like STK is
for audio, for learning video programming? Or a language like Csound,
for drawing and animating and saving it to files?

I cannot use processing as it is inaccessible to my screen reader. The
ideal environment would be a text editor.

On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
> Also, the best way to do this is probably the processing environment.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Justin Smith  wrote:
>
>> I have in the past used mplayer / mencoder to break a video into
>> individual images, then used the gimp in script mode to edit the images
>> programmatically. At the time the gimp included a guile scheme
>> interpreter
>> that could access all program functionality. This may have been replaced
>> by
>> python, but the functionality would be similar.
>>
>> I had started out using the csound image processing opcodes, but it was
>> easier to write guile code that interpreted lines in the same format
>> csound
>> uses and generates images (and generating both the csound score lines and
>> the guile/gimp score lines from the same program).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Adam Puckett
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm interested in putting videos on YouTube (as I mentioned in a
>>> previous thread a long time ago). I know how to work with the audio
>>> end of things, and I am trying to learn (using FFMpeg sources) how to
>>> manipulate the video side, and so far I'm not making as much progress
>>> as I'd hoped, unfortunately. Is there something simple, like STK is
>>> for audio, for learning video programming? Or a language like Csound,
>>> for drawing and animating and saving it to files?
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>> csound"
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
> csound"
>
>

Hi Adam. you don't need to use Processing's IDE, you can use another
IDE, netbeans or eclipse?. I would have thought the Processing IDE
would be accessible to screen reading software, it's just a plain old
java app?



On 15 March 2013 16:15, Adam Puckett  wrote:
> I cannot use processing as it is inaccessible to my screen reader. The
> ideal environment would be a text editor.
>
> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> Also, the best way to do this is probably the processing environment.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Justin Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> I have in the past used mplayer / mencoder to break a video into
>>> individual images, then used the gimp in script mode to edit the images
>>> programmatically. At the time the gimp included a guile scheme
>>> interpreter
>>> that could access all program functionality. This may have been replaced
>>> by
>>> python, but the functionality would be similar.
>>>
>>> I had started out using the csound image processing opcodes, but it was
>>> easier to write guile code that interpreted lines in the same format
>>> csound
>>> uses and generates images (and generating both the csound score lines and
>>> the guile/gimp score lines from the same program).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Adam Puckett
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm interested in putting videos on YouTube (as I mentioned in a
>>>> previous thread a long time ago). I know how to work with the audio
>>>> end of things, and I am trying to learn (using FFMpeg sources) how to
>>>> manipulate the video side, and so far I'm not making as much progress
>>>> as I'd hoped, unfortunately. Is there something simple, like STK is
>>>> for audio, for learning video programming? Or a language like Csound,
>>>> for drawing and animating and saving it to files?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>> csound"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>> csound"
>>
>>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>

Java apps aren't accessible. So how do I get started with just a text
editor and Processing?

On 3/15/13, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> Hi Adam. you don't need to use Processing's IDE, you can use another
> IDE, netbeans or eclipse?. I would have thought the Processing IDE
> would be accessible to screen reading software, it's just a plain old
> java app?
>
>
>
> On 15 March 2013 16:15, Adam Puckett  wrote:
>> I cannot use processing as it is inaccessible to my screen reader. The
>> ideal environment would be a text editor.
>>
>> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>>> Also, the best way to do this is probably the processing environment.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Justin Smith 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have in the past used mplayer / mencoder to break a video into
>>>> individual images, then used the gimp in script mode to edit the images
>>>> programmatically. At the time the gimp included a guile scheme
>>>> interpreter
>>>> that could access all program functionality. This may have been
>>>> replaced
>>>> by
>>>> python, but the functionality would be similar.
>>>>
>>>> I had started out using the csound image processing opcodes, but it was
>>>> easier to write guile code that interpreted lines in the same format
>>>> csound
>>>> uses and generates images (and generating both the csound score lines
>>>> and
>>>> the guile/gimp score lines from the same program).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Adam Puckett
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm interested in putting videos on YouTube (as I mentioned in a
>>>>> previous thread a long time ago). I know how to work with the audio
>>>>> end of things, and I am trying to learn (using FFMpeg sources) how to
>>>>> manipulate the video side, and so far I'm not making as much progress
>>>>> as I'd hoped, unfortunately. Is there something simple, like STK is
>>>>> for audio, for learning video programming? Or a language like Csound,
>>>>> for drawing and animating and saving it to files?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>
>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>> csound"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>> csound"
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>> csound"
>>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
> csound"
>
>

If java apps aren't accessible then you could have a problem. Let me
take a quick look...

On 15 March 2013 16:32, Adam Puckett  wrote:
> Java apps aren't accessible. So how do I get started with just a text
> editor and Processing?
>
> On 3/15/13, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> Hi Adam. you don't need to use Processing's IDE, you can use another
>> IDE, netbeans or eclipse?. I would have thought the Processing IDE
>> would be accessible to screen reading software, it's just a plain old
>> java app?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15 March 2013 16:15, Adam Puckett  wrote:
>>> I cannot use processing as it is inaccessible to my screen reader. The
>>> ideal environment would be a text editor.
>>>
>>> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>>>> Also, the best way to do this is probably the processing environment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Justin Smith 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have in the past used mplayer / mencoder to break a video into
>>>>> individual images, then used the gimp in script mode to edit the images
>>>>> programmatically. At the time the gimp included a guile scheme
>>>>> interpreter
>>>>> that could access all program functionality. This may have been
>>>>> replaced
>>>>> by
>>>>> python, but the functionality would be similar.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had started out using the csound image processing opcodes, but it was
>>>>> easier to write guile code that interpreted lines in the same format
>>>>> csound
>>>>> uses and generates images (and generating both the csound score lines
>>>>> and
>>>>> the guile/gimp score lines from the same program).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Adam Puckett
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm interested in putting videos on YouTube (as I mentioned in a
>>>>>> previous thread a long time ago). I know how to work with the audio
>>>>>> end of things, and I am trying to learn (using FFMpeg sources) how to
>>>>>> manipulate the video side, and so far I'm not making as much progress
>>>>>> as I'd hoped, unfortunately. Is there something simple, like STK is
>>>>>> for audio, for learning video programming? Or a language like Csound,
>>>>>> for drawing and animating and saving it to files?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>> csound"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>> csound"
>>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>> csound"
>>
>>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>

That's a pity. Might any of the online interfaces work?
http://sketch.processing.org/
http://sketchpad.cc


On 15 March 2013 16:34, Justin Smith  wrote:
> Processing supposedly dropped support for using external editors (so they
> claim, at least).
>
> Also there is no documented way to run a sketch outside the processing app
> that I could find.
>
> If using the processing UI is a dealbreaker, then gimp works just find
> headless via scheme or python (and for obvious reasons is much more powerful
> in this usage than the normal GUI, if less discoverable).
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Adam Puckett 
> wrote:
>>
>> Java apps aren't accessible. So how do I get started with just a text
>> editor and Processing?
>>
>> On 3/15/13, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> > Hi Adam. you don't need to use Processing's IDE, you can use another
>> > IDE, netbeans or eclipse?. I would have thought the Processing IDE
>> > would be accessible to screen reading software, it's just a plain old
>> > java app?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 15 March 2013 16:15, Adam Puckett  wrote:
>> >> I cannot use processing as it is inaccessible to my screen reader. The
>> >> ideal environment would be a text editor.
>> >>
>> >> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> >>> Also, the best way to do this is probably the processing environment.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Justin Smith 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I have in the past used mplayer / mencoder to break a video into
>> >>>> individual images, then used the gimp in script mode to edit the
>> >>>> images
>> >>>> programmatically. At the time the gimp included a guile scheme
>> >>>> interpreter
>> >>>> that could access all program functionality. This may have been
>> >>>> replaced
>> >>>> by
>> >>>> python, but the functionality would be similar.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I had started out using the csound image processing opcodes, but it
>> >>>> was
>> >>>> easier to write guile code that interpreted lines in the same format
>> >>>> csound
>> >>>> uses and generates images (and generating both the csound score lines
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> the guile/gimp score lines from the same program).
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Adam Puckett
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I'm interested in putting videos on YouTube (as I mentioned in a
>> >>>>> previous thread a long time ago). I know how to work with the audio
>> >>>>> end of things, and I am trying to learn (using FFMpeg sources) how
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> manipulate the video side, and so far I'm not making as much
>> >>>>> progress
>> >>>>> as I'd hoped, unfortunately. Is there something simple, like STK is
>> >>>>> for audio, for learning video programming? Or a language like
>> >>>>> Csound,
>> >>>>> for drawing and animating and saving it to files?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> >>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>> >>>>> "unsubscribe
>> >>>>> csound"
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>> >>>
>> >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>> >>> "unsubscribe
>> >>> csound"
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>> >>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>> >> "unsubscribe
>> >> csound"
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>> >             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>> > csound"
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>> csound"
>>
>

Unfortunately they don't work. I'll try GIMP.

On 3/15/13, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> That's a pity. Might any of the online interfaces work?
> http://sketch.processing.org/
> http://sketchpad.cc
>
>
> On 15 March 2013 16:34, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> Processing supposedly dropped support for using external editors (so they
>> claim, at least).
>>
>> Also there is no documented way to run a sketch outside the processing
>> app
>> that I could find.
>>
>> If using the processing UI is a dealbreaker, then gimp works just find
>> headless via scheme or python (and for obvious reasons is much more
>> powerful
>> in this usage than the normal GUI, if less discoverable).
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Adam Puckett 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Java apps aren't accessible. So how do I get started with just a text
>>> editor and Processing?
>>>
>>> On 3/15/13, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> > Hi Adam. you don't need to use Processing's IDE, you can use another
>>> > IDE, netbeans or eclipse?. I would have thought the Processing IDE
>>> > would be accessible to screen reading software, it's just a plain old
>>> > java app?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 15 March 2013 16:15, Adam Puckett  wrote:
>>> >> I cannot use processing as it is inaccessible to my screen reader.
>>> >> The
>>> >> ideal environment would be a text editor.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>>> >>> Also, the best way to do this is probably the processing
>>> >>> environment.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Justin Smith 
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> I have in the past used mplayer / mencoder to break a video into
>>> >>>> individual images, then used the gimp in script mode to edit the
>>> >>>> images
>>> >>>> programmatically. At the time the gimp included a guile scheme
>>> >>>> interpreter
>>> >>>> that could access all program functionality. This may have been
>>> >>>> replaced
>>> >>>> by
>>> >>>> python, but the functionality would be similar.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I had started out using the csound image processing opcodes, but it
>>> >>>> was
>>> >>>> easier to write guile code that interpreted lines in the same
>>> >>>> format
>>> >>>> csound
>>> >>>> uses and generates images (and generating both the csound score
>>> >>>> lines
>>> >>>> and
>>> >>>> the guile/gimp score lines from the same program).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Adam Puckett
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> I'm interested in putting videos on YouTube (as I mentioned in a
>>> >>>>> previous thread a long time ago). I know how to work with the
>>> >>>>> audio
>>> >>>>> end of things, and I am trying to learn (using FFMpeg sources) how
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>> manipulate the video side, and so far I'm not making as much
>>> >>>>> progress
>>> >>>>> as I'd hoped, unfortunately. Is there something simple, like STK
>>> >>>>> is
>>> >>>>> for audio, for learning video programming? Or a language like
>>> >>>>> Csound,
>>> >>>>> for drawing and animating and saving it to files?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> >>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>> >>>>> "unsubscribe
>>> >>>>> csound"
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>> >>>
>>> >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>> >>> "unsubscribe
>>> >>> csound"
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>> >>
>>> >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>> >> "unsubscribe
>>> >> csound"
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>> >
>>> > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>> > "unsubscribe
>>> > csound"
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>> csound"
>>>
>>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
> csound"
>
>

Can it save video and audio inside a container?

On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
> Another option is the Imagemagick tools, which unlike the gimp operating as
> a shell, are commands that run, do some modification, output a file, then
> exit. I think they lack much of GIMP's functionality, but they can do quite
> a bit.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Adam Puckett
> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately they don't work. I'll try GIMP.
>>
>> On 3/15/13, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> > That's a pity. Might any of the online interfaces work?
>> > http://sketch.processing.org/
>> > http://sketchpad.cc
>> >
>> >
>> > On 15 March 2013 16:34, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> >> Processing supposedly dropped support for using external editors (so
>> they
>> >> claim, at least).
>> >>
>> >> Also there is no documented way to run a sketch outside the processing
>> >> app
>> >> that I could find.
>> >>
>> >> If using the processing UI is a dealbreaker, then gimp works just find
>> >> headless via scheme or python (and for obvious reasons is much more
>> >> powerful
>> >> in this usage than the normal GUI, if less discoverable).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Adam Puckett
>> >> > >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Java apps aren't accessible. So how do I get started with just a text
>> >>> editor and Processing?
>> >>>
>> >>> On 3/15/13, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> >>> > Hi Adam. you don't need to use Processing's IDE, you can use
>> >>> > another
>> >>> > IDE, netbeans or eclipse?. I would have thought the Processing IDE
>> >>> > would be accessible to screen reading software, it's just a plain
>> >>> > old
>> >>> > java app?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On 15 March 2013 16:15, Adam Puckett 
>> wrote:
>> >>> >> I cannot use processing as it is inaccessible to my screen reader.
>> >>> >> The
>> >>> >> ideal environment would be a text editor.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> >>> >>> Also, the best way to do this is probably the processing
>> >>> >>> environment.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Justin Smith <
>> noisesmith@gmail.com>
>> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>> I have in the past used mplayer / mencoder to break a video into
>> >>> >>>> individual images, then used the gimp in script mode to edit the
>> >>> >>>> images
>> >>> >>>> programmatically. At the time the gimp included a guile scheme
>> >>> >>>> interpreter
>> >>> >>>> that could access all program functionality. This may have been
>> >>> >>>> replaced
>> >>> >>>> by
>> >>> >>>> python, but the functionality would be similar.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> I had started out using the csound image processing opcodes, but
>> it
>> >>> >>>> was
>> >>> >>>> easier to write guile code that interpreted lines in the same
>> >>> >>>> format
>> >>> >>>> csound
>> >>> >>>> uses and generates images (and generating both the csound score
>> >>> >>>> lines
>> >>> >>>> and
>> >>> >>>> the guile/gimp score lines from the same program).
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Adam Puckett
>> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>> I'm interested in putting videos on YouTube (as I mentioned in
>> >>> >>>>> a
>> >>> >>>>> previous thread a long time ago). I know how to work with the
>> >>> >>>>> audio
>> >>> >>>>> end of things, and I am trying to learn (using FFMpeg sources)
>> how
>> >>> >>>>> to
>> >>> >>>>> manipulate the video side, and so far I'm not making as much
>> >>> >>>>> progress
>> >>> >>>>> as I'd hoped, unfortunately. Is there something simple, like
>> >>> >>>>> STK
>> >>> >>>>> is
>> >>> >>>>> for audio, for learning video programming? Or a language like
>> >>> >>>>> Csound,
>> >>> >>>>> for drawing and animating and saving it to files?
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> >>> >>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>> >>> >>>>> "unsubscribe
>> >>> >>>>> csound"
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> >>> >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>> >>> >>> "unsubscribe
>> >>> >>> csound"
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> >>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >>> >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>> >>> >> "unsubscribe
>> >>> >> csound"
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>> >>> >
>> >>> > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> >>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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So what I would do would basically be something like this, right?:

Do whatever audio processing I need.
Script the images with GIMP (frame by frame, or however you do it).
Use mencoder to encode the images.

Am I leaving anything out?

On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
> I used mplayer / mencoder for the tasks of breaking a movie into images /
> audio, then reconstituting afterward.
>
> That said, there are gimp plugins for working with video, but I have not
> tried them, because mplayer / mencoder is quite mature and reliable from
> the command line. The downside: massive disk usage for all the separate
> video frames. The upside: improved quality, as you are not re-encoding to
> the lossy video codec at each processing stage (imagine working with audio
> and saving everything as mp3 at each intermediate stage).
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Adam Puckett
> wrote:
>
>> Can it save video and audio inside a container?
>>
>> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> > Another option is the Imagemagick tools, which unlike the gimp
>> > operating
>> as
>> > a shell, are commands that run, do some modification, output a file,
>> > then
>> > exit. I think they lack much of GIMP's functionality, but they can do
>> quite
>> > a bit.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Adam Puckett
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Unfortunately they don't work. I'll try GIMP.
>> >>
>> >> On 3/15/13, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> >> > That's a pity. Might any of the online interfaces work?
>> >> > http://sketch.processing.org/
>> >> > http://sketchpad.cc
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 15 March 2013 16:34, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> >> >> Processing supposedly dropped support for using external editors
>> >> >> (so
>> >> they
>> >> >> claim, at least).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Also there is no documented way to run a sketch outside the
>> processing
>> >> >> app
>> >> >> that I could find.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If using the processing UI is a dealbreaker, then gimp works just
>> find
>> >> >> headless via scheme or python (and for obvious reasons is much more
>> >> >> powerful
>> >> >> in this usage than the normal GUI, if less discoverable).
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Adam Puckett
>> >> >> > >> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Java apps aren't accessible. So how do I get started with just a
>> text
>> >> >>> editor and Processing?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 3/15/13, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> >> >>> > Hi Adam. you don't need to use Processing's IDE, you can use
>> >> >>> > another
>> >> >>> > IDE, netbeans or eclipse?. I would have thought the Processing
>> >> >>> > IDE
>> >> >>> > would be accessible to screen reading software, it's just a
>> >> >>> > plain
>> >> >>> > old
>> >> >>> > java app?
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > On 15 March 2013 16:15, Adam Puckett 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> I cannot use processing as it is inaccessible to my screen
>> reader.
>> >> >>> >> The
>> >> >>> >> ideal environment would be a text editor.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> >> >>> >>> Also, the best way to do this is probably the processing
>> >> >>> >>> environment.
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Justin Smith <
>> >> noisesmith@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>> I have in the past used mplayer / mencoder to break a video
>> into
>> >> >>> >>>> individual images, then used the gimp in script mode to edit
>> the
>> >> >>> >>>> images
>> >> >>> >>>> programmatically. At the time the gimp included a guile
>> >> >>> >>>> scheme
>> >> >>> >>>> interpreter
>> >> >>> >>>> that could access all program functionality. This may have
>> >> >>> >>>> been
>> >> >>> >>>> replaced
>> >> >>> >>>> by
>> >> >>> >>>> python, but the functionality would be similar.
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> I had started out using the csound image processing opcodes,
>> but
>> >> it
>> >> >>> >>>> was
>> >> >>> >>>> easier to write guile code that interpreted lines in the same
>> >> >>> >>>> format
>> >> >>> >>>> csound
>> >> >>> >>>> uses and generates images (and generating both the csound
>> >> >>> >>>> score
>> >> >>> >>>> lines
>> >> >>> >>>> and
>> >> >>> >>>> the guile/gimp score lines from the same program).
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Adam Puckett
>> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>> I'm interested in putting videos on YouTube (as I mentioned
>> >> >>> >>>>> in
>> >> >>> >>>>> a
>> >> >>> >>>>> previous thread a long time ago). I know how to work with
>> >> >>> >>>>> the
>> >> >>> >>>>> audio
>> >> >>> >>>>> end of things, and I am trying to learn (using FFMpeg
>> >> >>> >>>>> sources)
>> >> how
>> >> >>> >>>>> to
>> >> >>> >>>>> manipulate the video side, and so far I'm not making as much
>> >> >>> >>>>> progress
>> >> >>> >>>>> as I'd hoped, unfortunately. Is there something simple, like
>> >> >>> >>>>> STK
>> >> >>> >>>>> is
>> >> >>> >>>>> for audio, for learning video programming? Or a language
>> >> >>> >>>>> like
>> >> >>> >>>>> Csound,
>> >> >>> >>>>> for drawing and animating and saving it to files?
>> >> >>> >>>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>> >> >>> >>>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
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>> >> >>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>> >> >>> >>>>> "unsubscribe
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>> >> >>> >>>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>
>> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >>> >>>
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>> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
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>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >
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>> >> >>> >
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>> >> >>>
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>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
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>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
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Ok. But I won't be doing any Roger Rabbit type stuff (yet). Which
means if I'm generating the images I'll name them 0000000.png
0000000n.png etc?


On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
> that is pretty much it:
>
> mplayer to break up the movie into frames / audio
>
> csound to manipulate the audio in parallel with
> gimp manipulating the images (the images will be in files named after the
> frame number 000000.png 000001.png 000002.png etc. so you can generate the
> image names in a for loop, and calculate frame number based on time if you
> know the fps)
>
> mencoder to bundle the outputs all together
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Adam Puckett
> wrote:
>
>> So what I would do would basically be something like this, right?:
>>
>> Do whatever audio processing I need.
>> Script the images with GIMP (frame by frame, or however you do it).
>> Use mencoder to encode the images.
>>
>> Am I leaving anything out?
>>
>> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> > I used mplayer / mencoder for the tasks of breaking a movie into images
>> > /
>> > audio, then reconstituting afterward.
>> >
>> > That said, there are gimp plugins for working with video, but I have
>> > not
>> > tried them, because mplayer / mencoder is quite mature and reliable
>> > from
>> > the command line. The downside: massive disk usage for all the separate
>> > video frames. The upside: improved quality, as you are not re-encoding
>> > to
>> > the lossy video codec at each processing stage (imagine working with
>> audio
>> > and saving everything as mp3 at each intermediate stage).
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Adam Puckett
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Can it save video and audio inside a container?
>> >>
>> >> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> >> > Another option is the Imagemagick tools, which unlike the gimp
>> >> > operating
>> >> as
>> >> > a shell, are commands that run, do some modification, output a file,
>> >> > then
>> >> > exit. I think they lack much of GIMP's functionality, but they can
>> >> > do
>> >> quite
>> >> > a bit.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Adam Puckett
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Unfortunately they don't work. I'll try GIMP.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 3/15/13, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> >> >> > That's a pity. Might any of the online interfaces work?
>> >> >> > http://sketch.processing.org/
>> >> >> > http://sketchpad.cc
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On 15 March 2013 16:34, Justin Smith 
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> Processing supposedly dropped support for using external editors
>> >> >> >> (so
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> >> claim, at least).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Also there is no documented way to run a sketch outside the
>> >> processing
>> >> >> >> app
>> >> >> >> that I could find.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> If using the processing UI is a dealbreaker, then gimp works
>> >> >> >> just
>> >> find
>> >> >> >> headless via scheme or python (and for obvious reasons is much
>> more
>> >> >> >> powerful
>> >> >> >> in this usage than the normal GUI, if less discoverable).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Adam Puckett
>> >> >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Java apps aren't accessible. So how do I get started with just
>> >> >> >>> a
>> >> text
>> >> >> >>> editor and Processing?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> On 3/15/13, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> >> >> >>> > Hi Adam. you don't need to use Processing's IDE, you can use
>> >> >> >>> > another
>> >> >> >>> > IDE, netbeans or eclipse?. I would have thought the
>> >> >> >>> > Processing
>> >> >> >>> > IDE
>> >> >> >>> > would be accessible to screen reading software, it's just a
>> >> >> >>> > plain
>> >> >> >>> > old
>> >> >> >>> > java app?
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > On 15 March 2013 16:15, Adam Puckett
>> >> >> >>> > > >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >> I cannot use processing as it is inaccessible to my screen
>> >> reader.
>> >> >> >>> >> The
>> >> >> >>> >> ideal environment would be a text editor.
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >>> Also, the best way to do this is probably the processing
>> >> >> >>> >>> environment.
>> >> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Justin Smith <
>> >> >> noisesmith@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>> I have in the past used mplayer / mencoder to break a
>> >> >> >>> >>>> video
>> >> into
>> >> >> >>> >>>> individual images, then used the gimp in script mode to
>> >> >> >>> >>>> edit
>> >> the
>> >> >> >>> >>>> images
>> >> >> >>> >>>> programmatically. At the time the gimp included a guile
>> >> >> >>> >>>> scheme
>> >> >> >>> >>>> interpreter
>> >> >> >>> >>>> that could access all program functionality. This may have
>> >> >> >>> >>>> been
>> >> >> >>> >>>> replaced
>> >> >> >>> >>>> by
>> >> >> >>> >>>> python, but the functionality would be similar.
>> >> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>> I had started out using the csound image processing
>> >> >> >>> >>>> opcodes,
>> >> but
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> >>> >>>> was
>> >> >> >>> >>>> easier to write guile code that interpreted lines in the
>> same
>> >> >> >>> >>>> format
>> >> >> >>> >>>> csound
>> >> >> >>> >>>> uses and generates images (and generating both the csound
>> >> >> >>> >>>> score
>> >> >> >>> >>>> lines
>> >> >> >>> >>>> and
>> >> >> >>> >>>> the guile/gimp score lines from the same program).
>> >> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Adam Puckett
>> >> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> I'm interested in putting videos on YouTube (as I
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> mentioned
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> in
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> a
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> previous thread a long time ago). I know how to work with
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> the
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> audio
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> end of things, and I am trying to learn (using FFMpeg
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> sources)
>> >> >> how
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> to
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> manipulate the video side, and so far I'm not making as
>> much
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> progress
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> as I'd hoped, unfortunately. Is there something simple,
>> like
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> STK
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> is
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> for audio, for learning video programming? Or a language
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> like
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> Csound,
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> for drawing and animating and saving it to files?
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>
>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with
>> body
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> "unsubscribe
>> >> >> >>> >>>>> csound"
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >> >>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>> >> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >> >>> >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
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>> >> >> >>> >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
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>> >> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>> >> >> >>> >>
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>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >
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Am I correct in assuming the scripting can be done outside of an IDE?

On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
> The image names are automatically generated by mplayer when you use it to
> split an input video into frames.
>
> Since you are not using input video, all you need to know is that mencoder
> simply gets the images as a glob in the command line argument, so you want
> to make sure that they collate in the right order when the glob is
> expanded.
>
> this is the example from the mencoder manual:
> mencoder "mf://*.jpg" -mf fps=25 -o output.avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts
> vcodec=mpeg4
>
> "mf://*.jpg" is expanded by your shell to all the files ending in .jpg in
> the current directory, and you simply need to name them such that the shell
> puts them in the right order. though most algorithmically generated images,
> I recommend encoding to png rather than jpg. Another trick is that if you
> frequently redisplay the same frame, you can make symbolic links rather
> than duplicate frames (saving on processing time and disk usage).
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Adam Puckett
> wrote:
>
>> Ok. But I won't be doing any Roger Rabbit type stuff (yet). Which
>> means if I'm generating the images I'll name them 0000000.png
>> 0000000n.png etc?
>>
>>
>> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> > that is pretty much it:
>> >
>> > mplayer to break up the movie into frames / audio
>> >
>> > csound to manipulate the audio in parallel with
>> > gimp manipulating the images (the images will be in files named after
>> > the
>> > frame number 000000.png 000001.png 000002.png etc. so you can generate
>> the
>> > image names in a for loop, and calculate frame number based on time if
>> you
>> > know the fps)
>> >
>> > mencoder to bundle the outputs all together
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Adam Puckett
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> So what I would do would basically be something like this, right?:
>> >>
>> >> Do whatever audio processing I need.
>> >> Script the images with GIMP (frame by frame, or however you do it).
>> >> Use mencoder to encode the images.
>> >>
>> >> Am I leaving anything out?
>> >>
>> >> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> >> > I used mplayer / mencoder for the tasks of breaking a movie into
>> images
>> >> > /
>> >> > audio, then reconstituting afterward.
>> >> >
>> >> > That said, there are gimp plugins for working with video, but I have
>> >> > not
>> >> > tried them, because mplayer / mencoder is quite mature and reliable
>> >> > from
>> >> > the command line. The downside: massive disk usage for all the
>> separate
>> >> > video frames. The upside: improved quality, as you are not
>> >> > re-encoding
>> >> > to
>> >> > the lossy video codec at each processing stage (imagine working with
>> >> audio
>> >> > and saving everything as mp3 at each intermediate stage).
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Adam Puckett
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Can it save video and audio inside a container?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> >> >> > Another option is the Imagemagick tools, which unlike the gimp
>> >> >> > operating
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> > a shell, are commands that run, do some modification, output a
>> file,
>> >> >> > then
>> >> >> > exit. I think they lack much of GIMP's functionality, but they
>> >> >> > can
>> >> >> > do
>> >> >> quite
>> >> >> > a bit.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Adam Puckett
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Unfortunately they don't work. I'll try GIMP.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 3/15/13, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> >> >> >> > That's a pity. Might any of the online interfaces work?
>> >> >> >> > http://sketch.processing.org/
>> >> >> >> > http://sketchpad.cc
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On 15 March 2013 16:34, Justin Smith 
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> Processing supposedly dropped support for using external
>> editors
>> >> >> >> >> (so
>> >> >> >> they
>> >> >> >> >> claim, at least).
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Also there is no documented way to run a sketch outside the
>> >> >> processing
>> >> >> >> >> app
>> >> >> >> >> that I could find.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> If using the processing UI is a dealbreaker, then gimp works
>> >> >> >> >> just
>> >> >> find
>> >> >> >> >> headless via scheme or python (and for obvious reasons is
>> >> >> >> >> much
>> >> more
>> >> >> >> >> powerful
>> >> >> >> >> in this usage than the normal GUI, if less discoverable).
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Adam Puckett
>> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> Java apps aren't accessible. So how do I get started with
>> >> >> >> >>> just
>> >> >> >> >>> a
>> >> >> text
>> >> >> >> >>> editor and Processing?
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> On 3/15/13, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>> > Hi Adam. you don't need to use Processing's IDE, you can
>> >> >> >> >>> > use
>> >> >> >> >>> > another
>> >> >> >> >>> > IDE, netbeans or eclipse?. I would have thought the
>> >> >> >> >>> > Processing
>> >> >> >> >>> > IDE
>> >> >> >> >>> > would be accessible to screen reading software, it's just
>> >> >> >> >>> > a
>> >> >> >> >>> > plain
>> >> >> >> >>> > old
>> >> >> >> >>> > java app?
>> >> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >> >>> > On 15 March 2013 16:15, Adam Puckett
>> >> >> >> >>> > > >> >
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>> >> I cannot use processing as it is inaccessible to my
>> >> >> >> >>> >> screen
>> >> >> reader.
>> >> >> >> >>> >> The
>> >> >> >> >>> >> ideal environment would be a text editor.
>> >> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >> >>> >> On 3/15/13, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>> >>> Also, the best way to do this is probably the processing
>> >> >> >> >>> >>> environment.
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Justin Smith <
>> >> >> >> noisesmith@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> I have in the past used mplayer / mencoder to break a
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> video
>> >> >> into
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> individual images, then used the gimp in script mode to
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> edit
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> images
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> programmatically. At the time the gimp included a guile
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> scheme
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> interpreter
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> that could access all program functionality. This may
>> have
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> been
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> replaced
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> by
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> python, but the functionality would be similar.
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> I had started out using the csound image processing
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> opcodes,
>> >> >> but
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> was
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> easier to write guile code that interpreted lines in
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> the
>> >> same
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> format
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> csound
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> uses and generates images (and generating both the
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> csound
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> score
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> lines
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> and
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> the guile/gimp score lines from the same program).
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Adam Puckett
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> I'm interested in putting videos on YouTube (as I
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> mentioned
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> in
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> a
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> previous thread a long time ago). I know how to work
>> with
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> the
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> audio
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> end of things, and I am trying to learn (using FFMpeg
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> sources)
>> >> >> >> how
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> to
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> manipulate the video side, and so far I'm not making
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> as
>> >> much
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> progress
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> as I'd hoped, unfortunately. Is there something
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> simple,
>> >> like
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> STK
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> is
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> for audio, for learning video programming? Or a
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> language
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> like
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> Csound,
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> for drawing and animating and saving it to files?
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>>
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