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[Csnd] OLPC/1LPC and Csound (re: sloppy packaging)

Date2010-03-04 02:01
Fromrasputin
Subject[Csnd] OLPC/1LPC and Csound (re: sloppy packaging)
(That thread got awful long...) Jim Aikin floated the idea of applying for a
grant or something; not that the organization could take control of Csound
(I'd rather see it live on in its sloppy, distributed, decentralized,
Communistic form than that) or at least its
distribution/testing/organizational aspects.
I notice that the OLPC (www.laptop.org) project seems to have some versions
of Csound it distributes, and how about the government funded
experimental/computer music organizations in Europe? Possibly even one of
the major e/c music departments in a US university (e.g., UCSD, Columbia,
Princeton, Oregon, etc.)

Date2010-03-04 02:32
FromGreg Schroeder
Subject[Csnd] Re: OLPC/1LPC and Csound (re: sloppy packaging)
I understand the desire for distributed and decentralized, but I don't understand the desire for "sloppy."
Sloppy is what keeps people from using a language, especially when they haven't been using a comparatively current computer for their whole lives.
If csound hadn't had a very good existing package in Fedora when I got an OLPC, I would almost certainly have just bit the bullet and tried to find a different language, perhaps one not directly geared for music.
I suspect generating musique concrete in pure C as my first experience in computer music would have been a headache (to put it lightly), but I'd feel more confident about dependencies and other trifles, right?
Greg
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:01 AM, rasputin <tims45@aol.com> wrote:

(That thread got awful long...) Jim Aikin floated the idea of applying for a
grant or something; not that the organization could take control of Csound
(I'd rather see it live on in its sloppy, distributed, decentralized,
Communistic form than that) or at least its
distribution/testing/organizational aspects.
I notice that the OLPC (www.laptop.org) project seems to have some versions
of Csound it distributes, and how about the government funded
experimental/computer music organizations in Europe? Possibly even one of
the major e/c music departments in a US university (e.g., UCSD, Columbia,
Princeton, Oregon, etc.)
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Date2010-03-06 03:19
Fromrasputin
Subject[Csnd] Re: OLPC/1LPC and Csound (re: sloppy packaging)
Well, I don't think there's a *desire* for sloppy - it's a matter of
perspective.
I'm not the first to observe this, but there is a hugely diverse audience
for
Csound, from the veriest of beginners to crusty old Linux hackers who 
build applications from huge gouts of source code on a daily basis.
The Csound developers can't possibly make "one size fit all". 
If it were a commercial product, probably the thing to do would be to make
a "Csound lite" that implemented the top (say) 80% of opcodes and 
installed from a simple package on a limited number of hosts. But of
course this is an entire new system to maintain, test, update, etc.

gmschroeder wrote:
> 
> I understand the desire for distributed and decentralized, but I don't
> understand the desire for "sloppy."
> Sloppy is what keeps people from using a language, especially when they
> haven't been using a comparatively current computer for their whole lives.
> If csound hadn't had a very good existing package in Fedora when I got an
> OLPC, I would almost certainly have just bit the bullet and tried to find
> a
> different language, perhaps one not directly geared for music.
> I suspect generating musique concrete in pure C as my first experience in
> computer music would have been a headache (to put it lightly), but I'd
> feel more confident about dependencies and other trifles, right?
> Greg
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:01 AM, rasputin  wrote:
> 
>>
>> (That thread got awful long...) Jim Aikin floated the idea of applying
>> for
>> a
>> grant or something; not that the organization could take control of
>> Csound
>> (I'd rather see it live on in its sloppy, distributed, decentralized,
>> Communistic form than that) or at least its
>> distribution/testing/organizational aspects.
>> I notice that the OLPC (www.laptop.org) project seems to have some
>> versions
>> of Csound it distributes, and how about the government funded
>> experimental/computer music organizations in Europe? Possibly even one of
>> the major e/c music departments in a US university (e.g., UCSD, Columbia,
>> Princeton, Oregon, etc.)
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://old.nabble.com/OLPC-1LPC-and-Csound-%28re%3A-sloppy-packaging%29-tp27776234p27776234.html
>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> 
>