[Csnd] OLPC/1LPC and Csound (re: sloppy packaging)
Date | 2010-03-04 02:01 |
From | rasputin |
Subject | [Csnd] OLPC/1LPC and Csound (re: sloppy packaging) |
(That thread got awful long...) Jim Aikin floated the idea of applying for a grant or something; not that the organization could take control of Csound (I'd rather see it live on in its sloppy, distributed, decentralized, Communistic form than that) or at least its distribution/testing/organizational aspects. I notice that the OLPC (www.laptop.org) project seems to have some versions of Csound it distributes, and how about the government funded experimental/computer music organizations in Europe? Possibly even one of the major e/c music departments in a US university (e.g., UCSD, Columbia, Princeton, Oregon, etc.) |
Date | 2010-03-04 02:32 |
From | Greg Schroeder |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: OLPC/1LPC and Csound (re: sloppy packaging) |
I understand the desire for distributed and decentralized, but I don't understand the desire for "sloppy."
Sloppy is what keeps people from using a language, especially when they haven't been using a comparatively current computer for their whole lives.
If csound hadn't had a very good existing package in Fedora when I got an OLPC, I would almost certainly have just bit the bullet and tried to find a different language, perhaps one not directly geared for music.
I suspect generating musique concrete in pure C as my first experience in computer music would have been a headache (to put it lightly), but I'd feel more confident about dependencies and other trifles, right?
Greg On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:01 AM, rasputin <tims45@aol.com> wrote:
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Date | 2010-03-06 03:19 |
From | rasputin |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: OLPC/1LPC and Csound (re: sloppy packaging) |
Well, I don't think there's a *desire* for sloppy - it's a matter of perspective. I'm not the first to observe this, but there is a hugely diverse audience for Csound, from the veriest of beginners to crusty old Linux hackers who build applications from huge gouts of source code on a daily basis. The Csound developers can't possibly make "one size fit all". If it were a commercial product, probably the thing to do would be to make a "Csound lite" that implemented the top (say) 80% of opcodes and installed from a simple package on a limited number of hosts. But of course this is an entire new system to maintain, test, update, etc. gmschroeder wrote: > > I understand the desire for distributed and decentralized, but I don't > understand the desire for "sloppy." > Sloppy is what keeps people from using a language, especially when they > haven't been using a comparatively current computer for their whole lives. > If csound hadn't had a very good existing package in Fedora when I got an > OLPC, I would almost certainly have just bit the bullet and tried to find > a > different language, perhaps one not directly geared for music. > I suspect generating musique concrete in pure C as my first experience in > computer music would have been a headache (to put it lightly), but I'd > feel more confident about dependencies and other trifles, right? > Greg > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:01 AM, rasputin |