There are demo mp3's of many of my csound compositions at my website home 
page: http://www.arthunkins.com

Art Hunkins

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "andy fillebrown" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:08 AM
Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: [OT] 
wishes (was Re: Re: kyma x)


Hi Peiman,

I've been making a list of mp3's people post to the list with the
intention of putting links up on the sourceforge site.  This is what I
have so far...


Prent Rodgers
+ posted to csound list 3/13/09
http://bumpermusic.blogspot.com/2009/03/music-of-hoh-river-valley-mp3-versions.html

Aaron K. Johnson
+ posted to csound list 8/7/09
http://www.csounds.com/files/PuhlopsAndLaugua.mp3

Dave Phillips
+ posted to csound list 8/9/09
http://linux-sound.org/audio/studiodave-avs_p01_090805.mp3
http://linux-sound.org/p01-090805.csd

Dave Seidel
+ posted to csound list 10/21/09
http://www.archive.org/details/tmth06A

Michael Rhoades
+ posted to csound list 10/26/09
http://multimedia.music.concordia.ca/harvestmoon/Harvest_Moon_VI/HM_VI-Program.html

Michael Gogins
+ posted to csound list 11/4/09
http://michael-gogins.com/audio/mkg-2009-09-14-o.py.mp3

Dave Seidel
+ posted to csound list 11/21/09
http://mysterybear.net/article/43/elegy-for-jon

Dave Phillips
+ posted to csound list 1/2/10
http://linux-sound.org/audio/studiodave-avs_p38_091229.mp3
http://linux-sound.org/misc/p38-091229.csd

Dave Seidel
+ posted to csound list 1/25/10
http://mysterybear.net/article/45/gyre

Steven Yi
+ posted to csound list 3/9/10
http://www.kunstmusik.com/mp3/reminiscences.mp3
http://www.kunstmusik.com/projects/reminiscences.zip  (blue & csd files)


---

I don't know how "impressive" they all are, but that's what's been
posted to the list in the past year, fwiw.

There were 2 pieces I was particularly impressed with before I started
keeping a list.  One was "A door into spring", which was a
time-stretch of a dishwasher spring squeaking (I need to find this one
again).  The other one was a very convincing string piece (maybe
physical modeling), but I don't know who recorded it or what the name
of it was -- so I haven't been able to find it again.  A couple of
John ffitch's piece might qualify as "impressive" as well, but I'd
need to look up the links for those again.

If anybody has more links to recordings (preferably mp3's), please let me 
know.

Cheers,
~ andy.f



On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Peiman Khosravi
 wrote:
> While we are at it. Don't you think there should be some impressive 
> sounding
> sound examples on the csound page? Including synthes, score techniques and
> sample processing's all classified?
>
> Best,
>
> Peiman
>
> On 17 Mar 2010, at 19:01, Michael Gogins wrote:
>
>> I agree.
>>
>> I've been making music with computers since 1983. I could always
>> afford the hardware, and software, I wanted. At various times I have
>> had dedicated hardware synthesizers, commercial studio software, etc.
>> Over time I have been driven to open source software exclusively, and
>> Csound pretty much exclusively, for the following reasons:
>>
>> (1) Although I could always afford what I wanted, I can't say expense
>> is not an issue. Keeping up to date with hardware synthesizers,
>> Mathematica, Cubase, etc. starts to kind of add up.
>>
>> (2) More importantly, computer music projects decay with time. Things
>> that used to run no longer run. This happens much more slowly with
>> open source software and very little indeed with Csound. This is a big
>> deal, because at times I go back to projects I did 10, 15 years ago
>> and redo them.
>>
>> (3) Open source software such as Csound or PD tends to have more
>> useful communities. There are now decades' worth of freely available
>> patches, example pieces, etc. This also is a big deal. I use this
>> stuff. Commercial software tends to be used by people who are more
>> focused on working fast and not so interested in sharing what may be
>> for them stylistic tricks and technical advantages.
>>
>> (4) Csound just keeps getting bigger and more powerful and does more
>> and sounds better. This is kind of a bottom line if you are mainly
>> interested just in making the best and most original music you can.
>>
>> About performance, I reiterate that Csound must implement
>> multi-threading as soon as practical. Not doing this will cause it to
>> fail. You can bet the commercial music software people will do this
>> because it would be a big competitive edge. Max/MSP already has it in
>> a limited form. It would be an edge for us too. If Csound becomes
>> truly multi-threaded it will have nothing to fear in the performance
>> department, even compared with dedicated hardware.
>>
>> Ease of use compared with Kyma etc. is another big topic about which I
>> will say more at another time.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:39 PM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> If you ask my opinion, don't spend your money on outdated HW. It will
>>> only
>>> get more and more out of date. Stick with well supported and maintained
>>> FOSS
>>> systems, whichever is your choice (SC3, PD and Csound fit the bill 
>>> well).
>>> My
>>> 2 cents, for what's worth (well, Eur 0.02 actually ;)
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Peiman Khosravi 
>>> Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:07 pm
>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: [OT] wishes (was Re:
>>> Re:
>>> kyma x)
>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>
>>>> I'm still battling with this. "To kyma or not to kyma?". The
>>>> hardware
>>>> available for sale is rather old, but the symbolic sound people
>>>> assure
>>>> me that it is fully compatible with the latest software. But
>>>> then it's
>>>> another language to learn... To get it I'll end up with a €1000
>>>> hole
>>>> in my pocket which is not going to make life easier for the next
>>>> few
>>>> months.
>>>>
>>>> Mhhhhh the question is, is it worth it... To be honest I am a
>>>> little
>>>> sceptical, all the online demos seem to sound very typical, and
>>>> all
>>>> these wii/continuum demons are a bit unfortunate as they don't
>>>> really
>>>> demonstrate the real ability of the system but make it look like
>>>> it's
>>>> being aimed at a kind of "boys with their toys" market. But it's
>>>> a
>>>> bloody expensive toy, and if that's what it is then I am
>>>> definitely
>>>> not going to spend all that money on it. For instance kyma is
>>>> supposed
>>>> to have a sonogram editor (like audio sculpt) but then there are
>>>> no
>>>> demonstration of that. Is it really as good as AS for editing
>>>> the
>>>> sonogram? mhhh no way of knowing. Has anyone seen a demo or
>>>> tried the
>>>> sonogram editor?
>>>>
>>>> They also state in their FAQ that most users use it in
>>>> conjunction
>>>> with a DAW which is fine but then if the time-line doesn't
>>>> allow
>>>> detailed mixing/editing then I'm not sure if it really is the
>>>> holy
>>>> grail everyone goes on about.
>>>>
>>>> I initially imagined that it's a kind of real-time and bug free
>>>> CDP
>>>> system plus a time-line, which is rather promising (at least on
>>>> the OS
>>>> X I cannot manage to use CDP very smoothly with 24-bit audio so
>>>> I gave
>>>> up in the end). But is it!?? Or is it just another fancy gear in
>>>> the
>>>> studio for chucking out cliché sounds (which is the done thing
>>>> in
>>>> Hollywood sound design!) and showing off the continuum keyboard?!
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime I'm beginning to find my way through the
>>>> partikkel
>>>> opcode in parallel with Roads' Microsound. Very exciting :-)
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Mar 2010, at 08:46, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There was one in Trinity College Dublin, one of the earlier
>>>>
>>>> models.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently it suffered from lots of crashing and people did
>>>>
>>>> not seem
>>>>>
>>>>> to use it much. It was quickly overtaken by general-
>>>>
>>>> purpose
>>>>>
>>>>> computers (which is one of the reasons I never gave them too
>>>>
>>>> much
>>>>>
>>>>> thought).
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 17 Mar 2010, at 07:49, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually is there one in UK? Once I went inside the one they
>>>>
>>>> have at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IRCAM, I was expecting a massively different environment
>>>>
>>>> from what
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> used to but it was rather disappointing. Although it will be
>>>>
>>>> great
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> recording isolated sound sources I guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a strong rumour that there is one in my university,
>>>>
>>>> but I
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hve
>>>>>> never found it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>
>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599>>
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with
>>>>
>>>> body
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>
>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599>
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with
>>>>
>>>> body
>>>>>
>>>>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini, Senior Lecturer, Dept. of Music,
>>> National University of Ireland, Maynooth
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Gogins
>> Irreducible Productions
>> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>
>>
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>> csound"
>>
>
>
>
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Hi Art,

Thanks for the info, but none of the .mp3 links seem to be working --
"Unable to Connect" etc etc...

~ andy.f



On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Art Hunkins  wrote:
> There are demo mp3's of many of my csound compositions at my website home
> page: http://www.arthunkins.com
>
> Art Hunkins
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy fillebrown"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:08 AM
> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: [OT]
> wishes (was Re: Re: kyma x)
>
>
> Hi Peiman,
>
> I've been making a list of mp3's people post to the list with the
> intention of putting links up on the sourceforge site.  This is what I
> have so far...
>
>
> Prent Rodgers
> + posted to csound list 3/13/09
> http://bumpermusic.blogspot.com/2009/03/music-of-hoh-river-valley-mp3-versions.html
>
> Aaron K. Johnson
> + posted to csound list 8/7/09
> http://www.csounds.com/files/PuhlopsAndLaugua.mp3
>
> Dave Phillips
> + posted to csound list 8/9/09
> http://linux-sound.org/audio/studiodave-avs_p01_090805.mp3
> http://linux-sound.org/p01-090805.csd
>
> Dave Seidel
> + posted to csound list 10/21/09
> http://www.archive.org/details/tmth06A
>
> Michael Rhoades
> + posted to csound list 10/26/09
> http://multimedia.music.concordia.ca/harvestmoon/Harvest_Moon_VI/HM_VI-Program.html
>
> Michael Gogins
> + posted to csound list 11/4/09
> http://michael-gogins.com/audio/mkg-2009-09-14-o.py.mp3
>
> Dave Seidel
> + posted to csound list 11/21/09
> http://mysterybear.net/article/43/elegy-for-jon
>
> Dave Phillips
> + posted to csound list 1/2/10
> http://linux-sound.org/audio/studiodave-avs_p38_091229.mp3
> http://linux-sound.org/misc/p38-091229.csd
>
> Dave Seidel
> + posted to csound list 1/25/10
> http://mysterybear.net/article/45/gyre
>
> Steven Yi
> + posted to csound list 3/9/10
> http://www.kunstmusik.com/mp3/reminiscences.mp3
> http://www.kunstmusik.com/projects/reminiscences.zip  (blue & csd files)
>
>
> ---
>
> I don't know how "impressive" they all are, but that's what's been
> posted to the list in the past year, fwiw.
>
> There were 2 pieces I was particularly impressed with before I started
> keeping a list.  One was "A door into spring", which was a
> time-stretch of a dishwasher spring squeaking (I need to find this one
> again).  The other one was a very convincing string piece (maybe
> physical modeling), but I don't know who recorded it or what the name
> of it was -- so I haven't been able to find it again.  A couple of
> John ffitch's piece might qualify as "impressive" as well, but I'd
> need to look up the links for those again.
>
> If anybody has more links to recordings (preferably mp3's), please let me
> know.
>
> Cheers,
> ~ andy.f
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 6:56 AM, Peiman Khosravi
>  wrote:
>>
>> While we are at it. Don't you think there should be some impressive
>> sounding
>> sound examples on the csound page? Including synthes, score techniques and
>> sample processing's all classified?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>> On 17 Mar 2010, at 19:01, Michael Gogins wrote:
>>
>>> I agree.
>>>
>>> I've been making music with computers since 1983. I could always
>>> afford the hardware, and software, I wanted. At various times I have
>>> had dedicated hardware synthesizers, commercial studio software, etc.
>>> Over time I have been driven to open source software exclusively, and
>>> Csound pretty much exclusively, for the following reasons:
>>>
>>> (1) Although I could always afford what I wanted, I can't say expense
>>> is not an issue. Keeping up to date with hardware synthesizers,
>>> Mathematica, Cubase, etc. starts to kind of add up.
>>>
>>> (2) More importantly, computer music projects decay with time. Things
>>> that used to run no longer run. This happens much more slowly with
>>> open source software and very little indeed with Csound. This is a big
>>> deal, because at times I go back to projects I did 10, 15 years ago
>>> and redo them.
>>>
>>> (3) Open source software such as Csound or PD tends to have more
>>> useful communities. There are now decades' worth of freely available
>>> patches, example pieces, etc. This also is a big deal. I use this
>>> stuff. Commercial software tends to be used by people who are more
>>> focused on working fast and not so interested in sharing what may be
>>> for them stylistic tricks and technical advantages.
>>>
>>> (4) Csound just keeps getting bigger and more powerful and does more
>>> and sounds better. This is kind of a bottom line if you are mainly
>>> interested just in making the best and most original music you can.
>>>
>>> About performance, I reiterate that Csound must implement
>>> multi-threading as soon as practical. Not doing this will cause it to
>>> fail. You can bet the commercial music software people will do this
>>> because it would be a big competitive edge. Max/MSP already has it in
>>> a limited form. It would be an edge for us too. If Csound becomes
>>> truly multi-threaded it will have nothing to fear in the performance
>>> department, even compared with dedicated hardware.
>>>
>>> Ease of use compared with Kyma etc. is another big topic about which I
>>> will say more at another time.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:39 PM,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you ask my opinion, don't spend your money on outdated HW. It will
>>>> only
>>>> get more and more out of date. Stick with well supported and maintained
>>>> FOSS
>>>> systems, whichever is your choice (SC3, PD and Csound fit the bill
>>>> well).
>>>> My
>>>> 2 cents, for what's worth (well, Eur 0.02 actually ;)
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Peiman Khosravi 
>>>> Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:07 pm
>>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: [OT] wishes (was Re:
>>>> Re:
>>>> kyma x)
>>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>>
>>>>> I'm still battling with this. "To kyma or not to kyma?". The
>>>>> hardware
>>>>> available for sale is rather old, but the symbolic sound people
>>>>> assure
>>>>> me that it is fully compatible with the latest software. But
>>>>> then it's
>>>>> another language to learn... To get it I'll end up with a €1000
>>>>> hole
>>>>> in my pocket which is not going to make life easier for the next
>>>>> few
>>>>> months.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mhhhhh the question is, is it worth it... To be honest I am a
>>>>> little
>>>>> sceptical, all the online demos seem to sound very typical, and
>>>>> all
>>>>> these wii/continuum demons are a bit unfortunate as they don't
>>>>> really
>>>>> demonstrate the real ability of the system but make it look like
>>>>> it's
>>>>> being aimed at a kind of "boys with their toys" market. But it's
>>>>> a
>>>>> bloody expensive toy, and if that's what it is then I am
>>>>> definitely
>>>>> not going to spend all that money on it. For instance kyma is
>>>>> supposed
>>>>> to have a sonogram editor (like audio sculpt) but then there are
>>>>> no
>>>>> demonstration of that. Is it really as good as AS for editing
>>>>> the
>>>>> sonogram? mhhh no way of knowing. Has anyone seen a demo or
>>>>> tried the
>>>>> sonogram editor?
>>>>>
>>>>> They also state in their FAQ that most users use it in
>>>>> conjunction
>>>>> with a DAW which is fine but then if the time-line doesn't
>>>>> allow
>>>>> detailed mixing/editing then I'm not sure if it really is the
>>>>> holy
>>>>> grail everyone goes on about.
>>>>>
>>>>> I initially imagined that it's a kind of real-time and bug free
>>>>> CDP
>>>>> system plus a time-line, which is rather promising (at least on
>>>>> the OS
>>>>> X I cannot manage to use CDP very smoothly with 24-bit audio so
>>>>> I gave
>>>>> up in the end). But is it!?? Or is it just another fancy gear in
>>>>> the
>>>>> studio for chucking out cliché sounds (which is the done thing
>>>>> in
>>>>> Hollywood sound design!) and showing off the continuum keyboard?!
>>>>>
>>>>> In the meantime I'm beginning to find my way through the
>>>>> partikkel
>>>>> opcode in parallel with Roads' Microsound. Very exciting :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17 Mar 2010, at 08:46, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There was one in Trinity College Dublin, one of the earlier
>>>>>
>>>>> models.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently it suffered from lots of crashing and people did
>>>>>
>>>>> not seem
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to use it much. It was quickly overtaken by general-
>>>>>
>>>>> purpose
>>>>>>
>>>>>> computers (which is one of the reasons I never gave them too
>>>>>
>>>>> much
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thought).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>> On 17 Mar 2010, at 07:49, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually is there one in UK? Once I went inside the one they
>>>>>
>>>>> have at
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IRCAM, I was expecting a massively different environment
>>>>>
>>>>> from what
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> used to but it was rather disappointing. Although it will be
>>>>>
>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> recording isolated sound sources I guess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a strong rumour that there is one in my university,
>>>>>
>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hve
>>>>>>> never found it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599>>
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with
>>>>>
>>>>> body
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599>
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with
>>>>>
>>>>> body
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>> "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini, Senior Lecturer, Dept. of Music,
>>>> National University of Ireland, Maynooth
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Gogins
>>> Irreducible Productions
>>> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>> csound"
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
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