Hi Dima,

Blue's timeline is actually in beats. You can set the tempo with the
tempo editor.  On the score timeline there is a "Use Tempo" checkbox
that enables the tempo editor.  The arrow next to it expands the area
above the time bar to allow changing the tempo.

As for quantization, currently there's no dedicated feature, but you
could use a note processor on the sound layer (use the button marked
'n').  Probably the PythonProcessor would work for this.

If on the other hand, you're just talking about snapping to a grid for
soundObjects, then you can change the timeline properties using the
arrow above the right hand scrollbar up top. The arrow points left; if
you select it, it will expand a pane on the right to modify properties
for the timeline, including enabling snapping, as well as how to
display the beats (as time or as a number, and what multiple of beats
to show). Using this, you could set up a grid for every 4 beats.

There's a number of changes coming down the pipeline regarding the
timeline, and how snapping and time is configured will change a bit.
I'm looking at having meters/measures as a representation, in addition
to a real-time in seconds bar.  The latter is a little tricky due to
tempo curves, but the calculations should be alright as there's code
already there.

Hope that answers your question and if not just reply here.

Thanks!
steven


On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Dima Bak  wrote:
>
> Hi! Is it possible to quantise events in blue timelines? Or to set timeline
> in beats not sec?
> --
> Лети с приветом - вернись с ответом!
>

twarp.c is amazing! ;)

On 2/22/12, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Hi Dima,
>
> Blue's timeline is actually in beats. You can set the tempo with the
> tempo editor.  On the score timeline there is a "Use Tempo" checkbox
> that enables the tempo editor.  The arrow next to it expands the area
> above the time bar to allow changing the tempo.
>
> As for quantization, currently there's no dedicated feature, but you
> could use a note processor on the sound layer (use the button marked
> 'n').  Probably the PythonProcessor would work for this.
>
> If on the other hand, you're just talking about snapping to a grid for
> soundObjects, then you can change the timeline properties using the
> arrow above the right hand scrollbar up top. The arrow points left; if
> you select it, it will expand a pane on the right to modify properties
> for the timeline, including enabling snapping, as well as how to
> display the beats (as time or as a number, and what multiple of beats
> to show). Using this, you could set up a grid for every 4 beats.
>
> There's a number of changes coming down the pipeline regarding the
> timeline, and how snapping and time is configured will change a bit.
> I'm looking at having meters/measures as a representation, in addition
> to a real-time in seconds bar.  The latter is a little tricky due to
> tempo curves, but the calculations should be alright as there's code
> already there.
>
> Hope that answers your question and if not just reply here.
>
> Thanks!
> steven
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Dima Bak  wrote:
>>
>> Hi! Is it possible to quantise events in blue timelines? Or to set
>> timeline
>> in beats not sec?
>> --
>> Лети с приветом - вернись с ответом!
>>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
> csound"
>
>

Adam Puckett wrote:

> twarp.c is amazing! ;)

Sorry, what is twarp.c and how is it relevant to this discussion?

Erik
-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Erik de Castro Lopo
http://www.mega-nerd.com/

It's the code that warps the tempo of a Csound score. It's probably
what Steven was talking about when he mentioned the tempo code.

On 2/22/12, Erik de Castro Lopo  wrote:
> Adam Puckett wrote:
>
>> twarp.c is amazing! ;)
>
> Sorry, what is twarp.c and how is it relevant to this discussion?
>
> Erik
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Erik de Castro Lopo
> http://www.mega-nerd.com/
>
>
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> csound"
>
>

blue's tempo editor currently generates a t-statement, which
essentially delegates to Csound (via twarp.c).  When Csound 6 is
ready, blue will likely change to handling score time manipulations
before sending to Csound.  There already is a TempoMapper class in
blue, based on Python code that Istvan Varga helped me with a long
time ago:

http://bluemusic.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/bluemusic/blue/file/171385dc2945/blue-core/src/blue/noteProcessor/TempoMapper.java

This takes a t-statement style string, and allows to apply to map
beats to seconds, and seconds to beats, depending on the t-statement.
This is used by blue's TimeWarp noteProcessor, which allows per-object
tempo processing (or can be applied to an entire soundLayer).

The code in TempoMapper may be easier to reuse that twarp.c code.

steven

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Adam Puckett  wrote:
> It's the code that warps the tempo of a Csound score. It's probably
> what Steven was talking about when he mentioned the tempo code.
>
> On 2/22/12, Erik de Castro Lopo  wrote:
>> Adam Puckett wrote:
>>
>>> twarp.c is amazing! ;)
>>
>> Sorry, what is twarp.c and how is it relevant to this discussion?
>>
>> Erik
>> --
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Erik de Castro Lopo
>> http://www.mega-nerd.com/
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>> csound"
>>
>>
>
>
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Hi Dima,

This was done on purpose when I implemented this years ago.  As
mentioned, I am currently planning a lot of changes for the timeline
so this will probably get changed as well. For the time being, I
probably won't change it as it'll get redone anyways as part of the
larger work.

steven

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Dima Bak  wrote:
> Bug. When i change Time Display and focus not on input value this dont make
> changes. I need to press enter key manually.
>
>
> 2012/2/23 Steven Yi 
>>
>> blue's tempo editor currently generates a t-statement, which
>> essentially delegates to Csound (via twarp.c).  When Csound 6 is
>> ready, blue will likely change to handling score time manipulations
>> before sending to Csound.  There already is a TempoMapper class in
>> blue, based on Python code that Istvan Varga helped me with a long
>> time ago:
>>
>>
>> http://bluemusic.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/bluemusic/blue/file/171385dc2945/blue-core/src/blue/noteProcessor/TempoMapper.java
>>
>> This takes a t-statement style string, and allows to apply to map
>> beats to seconds, and seconds to beats, depending on the t-statement.
>> This is used by blue's TimeWarp noteProcessor, which allows per-object
>> tempo processing (or can be applied to an entire soundLayer).
>>
>> The code in TempoMapper may be easier to reuse that twarp.c code.
>>
>> steven
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Adam Puckett 
>> wrote:
>> > It's the code that warps the tempo of a Csound score. It's probably
>> > what Steven was talking about when he mentioned the tempo code.
>> >
>> > On 2/22/12, Erik de Castro Lopo  wrote:
>> >> Adam Puckett wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> twarp.c is amazing! ;)
>> >>
>> >> Sorry, what is twarp.c and how is it relevant to this discussion?
>> >>
>> >> Erik
>> >> --
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Erik de Castro Lopo
>> >> http://www.mega-nerd.com/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>> >>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>> >> "unsubscribe
>> >> csound"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>> > csound"
>> >
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>> csound"
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Лети с приветом - вернись с ответом!
>

Hi Dima,

If your goal with your message was to be offensive, then you have
succeeded.  If on the other hand you wanted to have a discussion about
something you see in blue that you would prefer to have differently,
then your use of foul language and insults has failed you.

Blue's object copying is probably the fastest gesture I'm aware of,
which is, after selecting soundObjects, you can press ctrl-c (or
command-c, on mac), then while holding down ctrl- (or command-), you
click where you want to paste your objects. If you want to copy by
dragging, when you have objects selected, press ctrl- (or command-),
press the mouse down on one of the selected objects, then drag.  This
will make duplicates of the soundObjects while you drag.

steven

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Dima Bak  wrote:
> OMG. Peace of shit again. Steve! Did you ever see normal sequencer? How to
> copy blocks objects in timeline?
>
>
> 2012/2/23 Dima Bak 
>>
>> Bug. When i change Time Display and focus not on input value this dont
>> make changes. I need to press enter key manually.
>>
>>
>> 2012/2/23 Steven Yi 
>>>
>>> blue's tempo editor currently generates a t-statement, which
>>> essentially delegates to Csound (via twarp.c).  When Csound 6 is
>>> ready, blue will likely change to handling score time manipulations
>>> before sending to Csound.  There already is a TempoMapper class in
>>> blue, based on Python code that Istvan Varga helped me with a long
>>> time ago:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://bluemusic.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/bluemusic/blue/file/171385dc2945/blue-core/src/blue/noteProcessor/TempoMapper.java
>>>
>>> This takes a t-statement style string, and allows to apply to map
>>> beats to seconds, and seconds to beats, depending on the t-statement.
>>> This is used by blue's TimeWarp noteProcessor, which allows per-object
>>> tempo processing (or can be applied to an entire soundLayer).
>>>
>>> The code in TempoMapper may be easier to reuse that twarp.c code.
>>>
>>> steven
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Adam Puckett 
>>> wrote:
>>> > It's the code that warps the tempo of a Csound score. It's probably
>>> > what Steven was talking about when he mentioned the tempo code.
>>> >
>>> > On 2/22/12, Erik de Castro Lopo  wrote:
>>> >> Adam Puckett wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> twarp.c is amazing! ;)
>>> >>
>>> >> Sorry, what is twarp.c and how is it relevant to this discussion?
>>> >>
>>> >> Erik
>>> >> --
>>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >> Erik de Castro Lopo
>>> >> http://www.mega-nerd.com/
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>> >>
>>> >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>> >> "unsubscribe
>>> >> csound"
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>> > "unsubscribe csound"
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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>>> csound"
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Лети с приветом - вернись с ответом!
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Лети с приветом - вернись с ответом!
>

Steven and the other experts on this list are absolutely amazing. They do loads and loads of brilliant work with no other payment than our gratitude and enthusiastic cheers. They respond to questions and requests from the entire user group in an impressively quick, friendly and thorough manner, and even when met with insults and offensive language they provide polite answers.

I'm impressed!

Sigurd

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Yi [mailto:stevenyi@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:56 AM
To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [Csnd] Time line in blue and quantisation.

Hi Dima,

If your goal with your message was to be offensive, then you have succeeded.  If on the other hand you wanted to have a discussion about something you see in blue that you would prefer to have differently, then your use of foul language and insults has failed you.

Blue's object copying is probably the fastest gesture I'm aware of, which is, after selecting soundObjects, you can press ctrl-c (or command-c, on mac), then while holding down ctrl- (or command-), you click where you want to paste your objects. If you want to copy by dragging, when you have objects selected, press ctrl- (or command-), press the mouse down on one of the selected objects, then drag.  This will make duplicates of the soundObjects while you drag.

steven

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Dima Bak  wrote:
> OMG. Peace of shit again. Steve! Did you ever see normal sequencer? 
> How to copy blocks objects in timeline?
>
>
> 2012/2/23 Dima Bak 
>>
>> Bug. When i change Time Display and focus not on input value this 
>> dont make changes. I need to press enter key manually.
>>
>>
>> 2012/2/23 Steven Yi 
>>>
>>> blue's tempo editor currently generates a t-statement, which 
>>> essentially delegates to Csound (via twarp.c).  When Csound 6 is 
>>> ready, blue will likely change to handling score time manipulations 
>>> before sending to Csound.  There already is a TempoMapper class in 
>>> blue, based on Python code that Istvan Varga helped me with a long 
>>> time ago:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://bluemusic.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/bluemusic/blue/file/171385
>>> dc2945/blue-core/src/blue/noteProcessor/TempoMapper.java
>>>
>>> This takes a t-statement style string, and allows to apply to map 
>>> beats to seconds, and seconds to beats, depending on the t-statement.
>>> This is used by blue's TimeWarp noteProcessor, which allows 
>>> per-object tempo processing (or can be applied to an entire soundLayer).
>>>
>>> The code in TempoMapper may be easier to reuse that twarp.c code.
>>>
>>> steven
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Adam Puckett 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> > It's the code that warps the tempo of a Csound score. It's 
>>> > probably what Steven was talking about when he mentioned the tempo code.
>>> >
>>> > On 2/22/12, Erik de Castro Lopo  wrote:
>>> >> Adam Puckett wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> twarp.c is amazing! ;)
>>> >>
>>> >> Sorry, what is twarp.c and how is it relevant to this discussion?
>>> >>
>>> >> Erik
>>> >> --
>>> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >> -----
>>> >> Erik de Castro Lopo
>>> >> http://www.mega-nerd.com/
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>> >>
>>> >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To 
>>> >> unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body 
>>> >> "unsubscribe csound"
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>> >            
>>> > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To 
>>> > unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body 
>>> > "unsubscribe csound"
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>
>
>
> --
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>


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on 2012-02-23 at 14:49 Dima Bak wrote:

>Steve! I agree to supervise your work on the Blue project. Together we can
>make Blue much better. But now Blue is like the Chinese counterfeiting
>sequencer. Here is the similar product http://bit.ly/zHrYpj
>Sorry for brute language, Steve. Do not be afraid to take a step toward
>the unsolved problems! You do not have to be a loser musician. Do you
>agree to accept me as a project manager?
>


no offense intended, honestly, but i don't think this person is a case of
someone just being rude. i seriously think he's mentally disturbed, and
should be under treatment (probably is).

I don't think it's our job to worry about the causes of offensive
behavior from people we do not know personally. I recommend, however,
that absent an apology, Dima Bak should simply be removed from the
list.

Regards,
Mike

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:07 AM, luis jure  wrote:
>
> on 2012-02-23 at 14:49 Dima Bak wrote:
>
>>Steve! I agree to supervise your work on the Blue project. Together we can
>>make Blue much better. But now Blue is like the Chinese counterfeiting
>>sequencer. Here is the similar product http://bit.ly/zHrYpj
>>Sorry for brute language, Steve. Do not be afraid to take a step toward
>>the unsolved problems! You do not have to be a loser musician. Do you
>>agree to accept me as a project manager?
>>
>
>
> no offense intended, honestly, but i don't think this person is a case of
> someone just being rude. i seriously think he's mentally disturbed, and
> should be under treatment (probably is).
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>            https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>



-- 
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Irreducible Productions
http://www.michael-gogins.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com

+1

On 23 February 2012 13:11, Michael Gogins  wrote:
> I don't think it's our job to worry about the causes of offensive
> behavior from people we do not know personally. I recommend, however,
> that absent an apology, Dima Bak should simply be removed from the
> list.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:07 AM, luis jure  wrote:
>>
>> on 2012-02-23 at 14:49 Dima Bak wrote:
>>
>>>Steve! I agree to supervise your work on the Blue project. Together we can
>>>make Blue much better. But now Blue is like the Chinese counterfeiting
>>>sequencer. Here is the similar product http://bit.ly/zHrYpj
>>>Sorry for brute language, Steve. Do not be afraid to take a step toward
>>>the unsolved problems! You do not have to be a loser musician. Do you
>>>agree to accept me as a project manager?
>>>
>>
>>
>> no offense intended, honestly, but i don't think this person is a case of
>> someone just being rude. i seriously think he's mentally disturbed, and
>> should be under treatment (probably is).
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>            https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Michael Gogins
> Irreducible Productions
> http://www.michael-gogins.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>

No thanks.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Dima Bak  wrote:
> Steve! I agree to supervise your work on the Blue project. Together we can
> make Blue much better. But now Blue is like the Chinese counterfeiting
> sequencer. Here is the similar product http://bit.ly/zHrYpj
> Sorry for brute language, Steve. Do not be afraid to take a step toward the
> unsolved problems! You do not have to be a loser musician. Do you agree to
> accept me as a project manager?
>
>
> --
> Лети с приветом - вернись с ответом!
>

on 2012-02-23 at 08:11 Michael Gogins wrote:

>I don't think it's our job to worry about the causes of offensive
>behavior from people we do not know personally. I recommend, however,
>that absent an apology, Dima Bak should simply be removed from the
>list.

i agree with all of the above (although i wouldn't expect much of an
apology, i'm still under the impression this person is sick)

Thank you Claus.  We are looking into this issue and your feedback is very helpful.

Cheers

John

Dear Steven, Adam,

thank you for pointing to twarp.c in the sources and TempoMapper.java in this unfortunate thread - 

some time ago I was writing a multichannel light and sound metronome for ensemble  and got stuck how to realize changing the tempo - the clicks (beats and subdivisions)  were played according to metro opcode (counting real time), the time (beats per measure) was written in the score according to beats. Tempo was sent using t statements and mirrored also to a global variable that was read by the metro line.  I was unable to make the maths how to calculate appropriate correction how long should be a beat in seconds during a tempo changes. 

I am sure these pieces of code will provide answer, I will examine them closely later. 

-----

I completely agree with Michael Gogins that there is no sense to keep Dima in the list if he will not apoplogize - no one would be willing to help him any more anyway.

Thank you Steven, for all your millions of brilliant answers in this list and all the fabulous work with Csound and Blu!

tarmo

On Thursday 23 February 2012 02:15:15 Steven Yi wrote:
> blue's tempo editor currently generates a t-statement, which
> essentially delegates to Csound (via twarp.c).  When Csound 6 is
> ready, blue will likely change to handling score time manipulations
> before sending to Csound.  There already is a TempoMapper class in
> blue, based on Python code that Istvan Varga helped me with a long
> time ago:
> 
> http://bluemusic.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/bluemusic/blue/file/171385dc2945/blue-core/src/blue/noteProcessor/TempoMapper.java
> 
> This takes a t-statement style string, and allows to apply to map
> beats to seconds, and seconds to beats, depending on the t-statement.
> This is used by blue's TimeWarp noteProcessor, which allows per-object
> tempo processing (or can be applied to an entire soundLayer).
> 
> The code in TempoMapper may be easier to reuse that twarp.c code.
> 
> steven
> 
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Adam Puckett  wrote:
> > It's the code that warps the tempo of a Csound score. It's probably
> > what Steven was talking about when he mentioned the tempo code.
> >
> > On 2/22/12, Erik de Castro Lopo  wrote:
> >> Adam Puckett wrote:
> >>
> >>> twarp.c is amazing! ;)
> >>
> >> Sorry, what is twarp.c and how is it relevant to this discussion?
> >>
> >> Erik
> >> --
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Erik de Castro Lopo
> >> http://www.mega-nerd.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
> >>             https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
> >> csound"
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
> >            https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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> >
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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> 
> 

yes, it is the second time. we remember well his offenses again andrés
and his work. last time i was against removing him from the list, but
now ... - i think someone who is not able to accept the minimum rules of
communication, who is not able to distinguish between
request/critique/frustration and insult, and who is not able to learn in
any way - this guy must find the door closed.
steven, like sigurd i am really impressed by your calme and clear reaction.
	joachim


Am 23.02.2012 14:30, schrieb luis jure:
> 
> on 2012-02-23 at 08:11 Michael Gogins wrote:
> 
>> I don't think it's our job to worry about the causes of offensive
>> behavior from people we do not know personally. I recommend, however,
>> that absent an apology, Dima Bak should simply be removed from the
>> list.
> 
> i agree with all of the above (although i wouldn't expect much of an
> apology, i'm still under the impression this person is sick)
> 
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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Joachim, Mike, et al,

I agree that Dima should be removed, and Steven, thanks for being an
example of how to handle situations like this appropriately.

On 2/23/12, joachim heintz  wrote:
> yes, it is the second time. we remember well his offenses again andrés
> and his work. last time i was against removing him from the list, but
> now ... - i think someone who is not able to accept the minimum rules of
> communication, who is not able to distinguish between
> request/critique/frustration and insult, and who is not able to learn in
> any way - this guy must find the door closed.
> steven, like sigurd i am really impressed by your calme and clear reaction.
> 	joachim
>
>
> Am 23.02.2012 14:30, schrieb luis jure:
>>
>> on 2012-02-23 at 08:11 Michael Gogins wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think it's our job to worry about the causes of offensive
>>> behavior from people we do not know personally. I recommend, however,
>>> that absent an apology, Dima Bak should simply be removed from the
>>> list.
>>
>> i agree with all of the above (although i wouldn't expect much of an
>> apology, i'm still under the impression this person is sick)
>>
>>
>>
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That isn't the way to do it. You could perhaps learn Java and fork
blue, show Steven the changes you made, and if he likes them, then he
*may* incorporate them into blue itself.

On 2/23/12, Dima Bak  wrote:
> I just wanted to help Steve to make job right...
>
> 2012/2/23 Adam Puckett 
>
>> Joachim, Mike, et al,
>>
>> I agree that Dima should be removed, and Steven, thanks for being an
>> example of how to handle situations like this appropriately.
>>
>> On 2/23/12, joachim heintz  wrote:
>> > yes, it is the second time. we remember well his offenses again andrés
>> > and his work. last time i was against removing him from the list, but
>> > now ... - i think someone who is not able to accept the minimum rules of
>> > communication, who is not able to distinguish between
>> > request/critique/frustration and insult, and who is not able to learn in
>> > any way - this guy must find the door closed.
>> > steven, like sigurd i am really impressed by your calme and clear
>> reaction.
>> >       joachim
>> >
>> >
>> > Am 23.02.2012 14:30, schrieb luis jure:
>> >>
>> >> on 2012-02-23 at 08:11 Michael Gogins wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I don't think it's our job to worry about the causes of offensive
>> >>> behavior from people we do not know personally. I recommend, however,
>> >>> that absent an apology, Dima Bak should simply be removed from the
>> >>> list.
>> >>
>> >> i agree with all of the above (although i wouldn't expect much of an
>> >> apology, i'm still under the impression this person is sick)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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>
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Really Steven you did a good job Thanks as you know i really like blue
Thank you for great software!
i am willing to help you with development ideas and bugs :)


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Please remove Dima from the list. This list is for constructive
criticism not insults. I was shocked the last time he made his
negative comments, and am shocked again. Thanks to Steven and all the
other contributors. They are all amazing and are very supportive to
users on this list in a quick and timely manner.

On 2/23/12, Adam Puckett  wrote:
> That isn't the way to do it. You could perhaps learn Java and fork
> blue, show Steven the changes you made, and if he likes them, then he
> *may* incorporate them into blue itself.
>
> On 2/23/12, Dima Bak  wrote:
>> I just wanted to help Steve to make job right...
>>
>> 2012/2/23 Adam Puckett 
>>
>>> Joachim, Mike, et al,
>>>
>>> I agree that Dima should be removed, and Steven, thanks for being an
>>> example of how to handle situations like this appropriately.
>>>
>>> On 2/23/12, joachim heintz  wrote:
>>> > yes, it is the second time. we remember well his offenses again andrés
>>> > and his work. last time i was against removing him from the list, but
>>> > now ... - i think someone who is not able to accept the minimum rules
>>> > of
>>> > communication, who is not able to distinguish between
>>> > request/critique/frustration and insult, and who is not able to learn
>>> > in
>>> > any way - this guy must find the door closed.
>>> > steven, like sigurd i am really impressed by your calme and clear
>>> reaction.
>>> >       joachim
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Am 23.02.2012 14:30, schrieb luis jure:
>>> >>
>>> >> on 2012-02-23 at 08:11 Michael Gogins wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> I don't think it's our job to worry about the causes of offensive
>>> >>> behavior from people we do not know personally. I recommend, however,
>>> >>> that absent an apology, Dima Bak should simply be removed from the
>>> >>> list.
>>> >>
>>> >> i agree with all of the above (although i wouldn't expect much of an
>>> >> apology, i'm still under the impression this person is sick)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>> >>
>>> >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>> "unsubscribe
>>> >> csound"
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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>>
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+1

On 2/23/12, gary hiebner  wrote:
> Please remove Dima from the list. This list is for constructive
> criticism not insults. I was shocked the last time he made his
> negative comments, and am shocked again. Thanks to Steven and all the
> other contributors. They are all amazing and are very supportive to
> users on this list in a quick and timely manner.
>
> On 2/23/12, Adam Puckett  wrote:
>> That isn't the way to do it. You could perhaps learn Java and fork
>> blue, show Steven the changes you made, and if he likes them, then he
>> *may* incorporate them into blue itself.
>>
>> On 2/23/12, Dima Bak  wrote:
>>> I just wanted to help Steve to make job right...
>>>
>>> 2012/2/23 Adam Puckett 
>>>
>>>> Joachim, Mike, et al,
>>>>
>>>> I agree that Dima should be removed, and Steven, thanks for being an
>>>> example of how to handle situations like this appropriately.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/23/12, joachim heintz  wrote:
>>>> > yes, it is the second time. we remember well his offenses again andrés
>>>> > and his work. last time i was against removing him from the list, but
>>>> > now ... - i think someone who is not able to accept the minimum rules
>>>> > of
>>>> > communication, who is not able to distinguish between
>>>> > request/critique/frustration and insult, and who is not able to learn
>>>> > in
>>>> > any way - this guy must find the door closed.
>>>> > steven, like sigurd i am really impressed by your calme and clear
>>>> reaction.
>>>> >       joachim
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Am 23.02.2012 14:30, schrieb luis jure:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> on 2012-02-23 at 08:11 Michael Gogins wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> I don't think it's our job to worry about the causes of offensive
>>>> >>> behavior from people we do not know personally. I recommend,
>>>> >>> however,
>>>> >>> that absent an apology, Dima Bak should simply be removed from the
>>>> >>> list.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> i agree with all of the above (although i wouldn't expect much of an
>>>> >> apology, i'm still under the impression this person is sick)
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>> >>
>>>> >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>> >> csound"
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>> >
>>>> > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Hi All,

Thanks very much for your kind words and support.  I received
something like an apology from Dima off list that was also something
like everything else he's written.  While there might be something
positive and constructive in his emails, I find I do not have the time
and energy to spend on weeding through them, so am not engaging in
further conversations with him, on list, off list, or otherwise.

Back to work now. :)

steven

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Adam Puckett  wrote:
> +1
>
> On 2/23/12, gary hiebner  wrote:
>> Please remove Dima from the list. This list is for constructive
>> criticism not insults. I was shocked the last time he made his
>> negative comments, and am shocked again. Thanks to Steven and all the
>> other contributors. They are all amazing and are very supportive to
>> users on this list in a quick and timely manner.
>>
>> On 2/23/12, Adam Puckett  wrote:
>>> That isn't the way to do it. You could perhaps learn Java and fork
>>> blue, show Steven the changes you made, and if he likes them, then he
>>> *may* incorporate them into blue itself.
>>>
>>> On 2/23/12, Dima Bak  wrote:
>>>> I just wanted to help Steve to make job right...
>>>>
>>>> 2012/2/23 Adam Puckett 
>>>>
>>>>> Joachim, Mike, et al,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree that Dima should be removed, and Steven, thanks for being an
>>>>> example of how to handle situations like this appropriately.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/23/12, joachim heintz  wrote:
>>>>> > yes, it is the second time. we remember well his offenses again andrés
>>>>> > and his work. last time i was against removing him from the list, but
>>>>> > now ... - i think someone who is not able to accept the minimum rules
>>>>> > of
>>>>> > communication, who is not able to distinguish between
>>>>> > request/critique/frustration and insult, and who is not able to learn
>>>>> > in
>>>>> > any way - this guy must find the door closed.
>>>>> > steven, like sigurd i am really impressed by your calme and clear
>>>>> reaction.
>>>>> >       joachim
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Am 23.02.2012 14:30, schrieb luis jure:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> on 2012-02-23 at 08:11 Michael Gogins wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> I don't think it's our job to worry about the causes of offensive
>>>>> >>> behavior from people we do not know personally. I recommend,
>>>>> >>> however,
>>>>> >>> that absent an apology, Dima Bak should simply be removed from the
>>>>> >>> list.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> i agree with all of the above (although i wouldn't expect much of an
>>>>> >> apology, i'm still under the impression this person is sick)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>> >> csound"
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>> >
>>>>> > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>> > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>>>> > "unsubscribe
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>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
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Hello Mr. Steven,
later but please accept also my thanks for Your work and Your presence on
this list.

ciao,
francesco.


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