[Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations

[Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations

Date	2018-03-24 02:09
From	Marvin Juneyoung Kim
Subject	[Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations
	Hello, I was trying to find some information about how exactly FOF synthesis works, but it's either way too simple in explaining or way too complicated in a mathematical way (which freaks me out). I read the floss manual's granular synthesis page, but it just explains that the grains are used to create resonant peaks in formant frequencies. It also mentions that the bandwidth of the peaks are essentially a grain duration, but I don't understand how the grain duration can be related to the bandwidth of the peaks. So I was wondering if there's any "easy enough to read, but goes in depth" article I could read about how the FOF synthesis works. Also, I remember reading this page about different ways of writing scores including random values in score. But I couldn't find this page anywhere, so if anyone has the link for this, I would really appreciate it. Thank you -- Best, Marvin Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-03-24 08:24
From	Iain McCurdy
Subject	Re: [Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations
	In FOF synthesis, the frequency of a formant is defined by the frequency of the material within each grain, therefore increasing grain size will more clearly reveal its contents and thereby emphasise the formant frequency. You are right that the FLOSS manual chapter could benefit from some expansion on technical descriptions of synchronous granular synthesis. If you haven't yet read Curtis Roads' 'Microsound', that would be my recommendation. For information on creating random values in the score, perhaps this was something you read in the manual in the section on the standard numerical score. The tilde symbol will generate random values between two specified p-field values and works similarly to ramping. It's mentioned at the bottom of this page. http://csound.com/docs/manual/ScoreRamping.html It is worth considering generating score events with randomness and aleatoricism in the orchestra as this will offer much greater flexibility. Iain From: A discussion list for users of Csound <CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE> on behalf of Marvin Juneyoung Kim <jkim872@BERKLEE.EDU> Sent: 24 March 2018 02:09 To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: [Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations Hello, I was trying to find some information about how exactly FOF synthesis works, but it's either way too simple in explaining or way too complicated in a mathematical way (which freaks me out). I read the floss manual's granular synthesis page, but it just explains that the grains are used to create resonant peaks in formant frequencies. It also mentions that the bandwidth of the peaks are essentially a grain duration, but I don't understand how the grain duration can be related to the bandwidth of the peaks. So I was wondering if there's any "easy enough to read, but goes in depth" article I could read about how the FOF synthesis works. Also, I remember reading this page about different ways of writing scores including random values in score. But I couldn't find this page anywhere, so if anyone has the link for this, I would really appreciate it. Thank you -- Best, Marvin Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-03-24 09:42
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	Re: [Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations
	There is a good chapter on FOF in the Csound Book. ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 24 Mar 2018, at 08:24, Iain McCurdy wrote: > > In FOF synthesis, the frequency of a formant is defined by the frequency of the material within each grain, therefore increasing grain size will more clearly reveal its contents and thereby emphasise the formant frequency. You are right that the FLOSS manual chapter could benefit from some expansion on technical descriptions of synchronous granular synthesis. > If you haven't yet read Curtis Roads' 'Microsound', that would be my recommendation. > > For information on creating random values in the score, perhaps this was something you read in the manual in the section on the standard numerical score. The tilde symbol will generate random values between two specified p-field values and works similarly to ramping. It's mentioned at the bottom of this page. > http://csound.com/docs/manual/ScoreRamping.html > It is worth considering generating score events with randomness and aleatoricism in the orchestra as this will offer much greater flexibility. > > Iain > > > > > From: A discussion list for users of Csound on behalf of Marvin Juneyoung Kim > Sent: 24 March 2018 02:09 > To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE > Subject: [Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations > > Hello, > > I was trying to find some information about how exactly FOF synthesis works, but it's either way too simple in explaining or way too complicated in a mathematical way (which freaks me out). I read the floss manual's granular synthesis page, but it just explains that the grains are used to create resonant peaks in formant frequencies. It also mentions that the bandwidth of the peaks are essentially a grain duration, but I don't understand how the grain duration can be related to the bandwidth of the peaks. > > So I was wondering if there's any "easy enough to read, but goes in depth" article I could read about how the FOF synthesis works. > > Also, I remember reading this page about different ways of writing scores including random values in score. But I couldn't find this page anywhere, so if anyone has the link for this, I would really appreciate it. > > Thank you > > -- > Best, > > Marvin > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-03-25 20:38
From	Marvin Juneyoung Kim
Subject	Re: [Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations
	Thank you Ian, Victor, I couldn't find which chapter. Is the chapter in the CD Rom package by any chance? On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: There is a good chapter on FOF in the Csound Book. ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 24 Mar 2018, at 08:24, Iain McCurdy <i_mccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote: > > In FOF synthesis, the frequency of a formant is defined by the frequency of the material within each grain, therefore increasing grain size will more clearly reveal its contents and thereby emphasise the formant frequency. You are right that the FLOSS manual chapter could benefit from some expansion on technical descriptions of synchronous granular synthesis. > If you haven't yet read Curtis Roads' 'Microsound', that would be my recommendation. > > For information on creating random values in the score, perhaps this was something you read in the manual in the section on the standard numerical score. The tilde symbol will generate random values between two specified p-field values and works similarly to ramping. It's mentioned at the bottom of this page. > http://csound.com/docs/manual/ScoreRamping.html > It is worth considering generating score events with randomness and aleatoricism in the orchestra as this will offer much greater flexibility. > > Iain > > > > > From: A discussion list for users of Csound <CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE> on behalf of Marvin Juneyoung Kim <jkim872@BERKLEE.EDU> > Sent: 24 March 2018 02:09 > To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE > Subject: [Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations > > Hello, > > I was trying to find some information about how exactly FOF synthesis works, but it's either way too simple in explaining or way too complicated in a mathematical way (which freaks me out). I read the floss manual's granular synthesis page, but it just explains that the grains are used to create resonant peaks in formant frequencies. It also mentions that the bandwidth of the peaks are essentially a grain duration, but I don't understand how the grain duration can be related to the bandwidth of the peaks. > > So I was wondering if there's any "easy enough to read, but goes in depth" article I could read about how the FOF synthesis works. > > Also, I remember reading this page about different ways of writing scores including random values in score. But I couldn't find this page anywhere, so if anyone has the link for this, I would really appreciate it. > > Thank you > > -- > Best, > > Marvin > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here -- Best, Marvin Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-03-25 20:38
From	Marvin Juneyoung Kim
Subject	Re: [Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations
	Sorry I made a typo,, Thank you Iain! On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Marvin Juneyoung Kim <jkim872@berklee.edu> wrote: Thank you Ian, Victor, I couldn't find which chapter. Is the chapter in the CD Rom package by any chance? On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: There is a good chapter on FOF in the Csound Book. ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 24 Mar 2018, at 08:24, Iain McCurdy <i_mccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote: > > In FOF synthesis, the frequency of a formant is defined by the frequency of the material within each grain, therefore increasing grain size will more clearly reveal its contents and thereby emphasise the formant frequency. You are right that the FLOSS manual chapter could benefit from some expansion on technical descriptions of synchronous granular synthesis. > If you haven't yet read Curtis Roads' 'Microsound', that would be my recommendation. > > For information on creating random values in the score, perhaps this was something you read in the manual in the section on the standard numerical score. The tilde symbol will generate random values between two specified p-field values and works similarly to ramping. It's mentioned at the bottom of this page. > http://csound.com/docs/manual/ScoreRamping.html > It is worth considering generating score events with randomness and aleatoricism in the orchestra as this will offer much greater flexibility. > > Iain > > > > > From: A discussion list for users of Csound <CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE> on behalf of Marvin Juneyoung Kim <jkim872@BERKLEE.EDU> > Sent: 24 March 2018 02:09 > To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE > Subject: [Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations > > Hello, > > I was trying to find some information about how exactly FOF synthesis works, but it's either way too simple in explaining or way too complicated in a mathematical way (which freaks me out). I read the floss manual's granular synthesis page, but it just explains that the grains are used to create resonant peaks in formant frequencies. It also mentions that the bandwidth of the peaks are essentially a grain duration, but I don't understand how the grain duration can be related to the bandwidth of the peaks. > > So I was wondering if there's any "easy enough to read, but goes in depth" article I could read about how the FOF synthesis works. > > Also, I remember reading this page about different ways of writing scores including random values in score. But I couldn't find this page anywhere, so if anyone has the link for this, I would really appreciate it. > > Thank you > > -- > Best, > > Marvin > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here -- Best, Marvin -- Best, Marvin Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-03-25 21:15
From	Armando Gonzalez Sosto
Subject	Re: [Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations
	Hey Marvin, Chapter 14 of Dr. B's Csound book is titled FOF and FOG Synthesis in Csound - written by Michael Clarke. Perhaps this is the chapter Victor is making reference to. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Marvin Juneyoung Kim <jkim872@berklee.edu> wrote: Sorry I made a typo,, Thank you Iain! On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Marvin Juneyoung Kim <jkim872@berklee.edu> wrote: Thank you Ian, Victor, I couldn't find which chapter. Is the chapter in the CD Rom package by any chance? On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: There is a good chapter on FOF in the Csound Book. ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 24 Mar 2018, at 08:24, Iain McCurdy <i_mccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote: > > In FOF synthesis, the frequency of a formant is defined by the frequency of the material within each grain, therefore increasing grain size will more clearly reveal its contents and thereby emphasise the formant frequency. You are right that the FLOSS manual chapter could benefit from some expansion on technical descriptions of synchronous granular synthesis. > If you haven't yet read Curtis Roads' 'Microsound', that would be my recommendation. > > For information on creating random values in the score, perhaps this was something you read in the manual in the section on the standard numerical score. The tilde symbol will generate random values between two specified p-field values and works similarly to ramping. It's mentioned at the bottom of this page. > http://csound.com/docs/manual/ScoreRamping.html > It is worth considering generating score events with randomness and aleatoricism in the orchestra as this will offer much greater flexibility. > > Iain > > > > > From: A discussion list for users of Csound <CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE> on behalf of Marvin Juneyoung Kim <jkim872@BERKLEE.EDU> > Sent: 24 March 2018 02:09 > To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE > Subject: [Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations > > Hello, > > I was trying to find some information about how exactly FOF synthesis works, but it's either way too simple in explaining or way too complicated in a mathematical way (which freaks me out). I read the floss manual's granular synthesis page, but it just explains that the grains are used to create resonant peaks in formant frequencies. It also mentions that the bandwidth of the peaks are essentially a grain duration, but I don't understand how the grain duration can be related to the bandwidth of the peaks. > > So I was wondering if there's any "easy enough to read, but goes in depth" article I could read about how the FOF synthesis works. > > Also, I remember reading this page about different ways of writing scores including random values in score. But I couldn't find this page anywhere, so if anyone has the link for this, I would really appreciate it. > > Thank you > > -- > Best, > > Marvin > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here -- Best, Marvin -- Best, Marvin Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-03-25 21:17
From	Marvin Juneyoung Kim
Subject	Re: [Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations
	Thanks Armando! On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Armando Gonzalez Sosto <agonzalezsosto@berklee.edu> wrote: Hey Marvin, Chapter 14 of Dr. B's Csound book is titled FOF and FOG Synthesis in Csound - written by Michael Clarke. Perhaps this is the chapter Victor is making reference to. On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Marvin Juneyoung Kim <jkim872@berklee.edu> wrote: Sorry I made a typo,, Thank you Iain! On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Marvin Juneyoung Kim <jkim872@berklee.edu> wrote: Thank you Ian, Victor, I couldn't find which chapter. Is the chapter in the CD Rom package by any chance? On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 5:42 AM, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@mu.ie> wrote: There is a good chapter on FOF in the Csound Book. ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 24 Mar 2018, at 08:24, Iain McCurdy <i_mccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote: > > In FOF synthesis, the frequency of a formant is defined by the frequency of the material within each grain, therefore increasing grain size will more clearly reveal its contents and thereby emphasise the formant frequency. You are right that the FLOSS manual chapter could benefit from some expansion on technical descriptions of synchronous granular synthesis. > If you haven't yet read Curtis Roads' 'Microsound', that would be my recommendation. > > For information on creating random values in the score, perhaps this was something you read in the manual in the section on the standard numerical score. The tilde symbol will generate random values between two specified p-field values and works similarly to ramping. It's mentioned at the bottom of this page. > http://csound.com/docs/manual/ScoreRamping.html > It is worth considering generating score events with randomness and aleatoricism in the orchestra as this will offer much greater flexibility. > > Iain > > > > > From: A discussion list for users of Csound <CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE> on behalf of Marvin Juneyoung Kim <jkim872@BERKLEE.EDU> > Sent: 24 March 2018 02:09 > To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE > Subject: [Csnd] FOF synthesis, Score Notations > > Hello, > > I was trying to find some information about how exactly FOF synthesis works, but it's either way too simple in explaining or way too complicated in a mathematical way (which freaks me out). I read the floss manual's granular synthesis page, but it just explains that the grains are used to create resonant peaks in formant frequencies. It also mentions that the bandwidth of the peaks are essentially a grain duration, but I don't understand how the grain duration can be related to the bandwidth of the peaks. > > So I was wondering if there's any "easy enough to read, but goes in depth" article I could read about how the FOF synthesis works. > > Also, I remember reading this page about different ways of writing scores including random values in score. But I couldn't find this page anywhere, so if anyone has the link for this, I would really appreciate it. > > Thank you > > -- > Best, > > Marvin > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here -- Best, Marvin -- Best, Marvin Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here -- Best, Marvin Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here