That message cmes fro the semantic analysis; unfortunately the actual 
opcode name is not available to that code (will look at fixing that...)
But the deprecated opcodes sould be reported elsewhere, in the parser 
where te full information should be printed.

So I am not sure why yoiare not seeing that diagnostic

I have a list of deprecated opcodes (attached)

==John ff

On Wed, 31 Jul 2019, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:

> Hi,
> I just noticed this warning when running one of my csds.
> I understand that I probably have a deprecated opcode somewhere in my file,
> but unsure of how to identify it.
> all hints appreciated
> Oeyvind
> 
> '''
> Creating options
> Creating orchestra
> closing tag
> Creating score
> rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
> using callback interface
> opcode deprecatedopcode deprecatedopcode deprecatedopcode deprecatedopcode
> deprecatedopcode deprecatedsorting score ...
>         ... done
> '''
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The component after the . is not really the name but a tag that identifies which version of a polymorphic opcode is selected.

I changed the development code to print the opcode name in the case you have.

So it does look like changed is the deprecated opcode.


⁣Sent from TypeApp ​

On Aug 1, 2019, 10:35, at 10:35, Oeyvind Brandtsegg  wrote:
>Thanks for the help.
>I can find "changed.k" and "changed.S" in the list,
>and I do use changed as a function call changed() in my csd.
>Actually I use it six times, and the deprecatedopcode is also printed
>six
>times,
>perhaps a sign that it refers to these function calls in my csd?
>... but I use the regular changed opcode,
>I am unsure of what the .k and .S means in the list of deprecated
>opcodes(?)
>
>best
>Oeyvind
>
>ons. 31. jul. 2019 kl. 17:56 skrev john :
>
>> That message cmes fro the semantic analysis; unfortunately the actual
>> opcode name is not available to that code (will look at fixing
>that...)
>> But the deprecated opcodes sould be reported elsewhere, in the parser
>> where te full information should be printed.
>>
>> So I am not sure why yoiare not seeing that diagnostic
>>
>> I have a list of deprecated opcodes (attached)
>>
>> ==John ff
>>
>> On Wed, 31 Jul 2019, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> > I just noticed this warning when running one of my csds.
>> > I understand that I probably have a deprecated opcode somewhere in
>my
>> file,
>> > but unsure of how to identify it.
>> > all hints appreciated
>> > Oeyvind
>> >
>> > '''
>> > Creating options
>> > Creating orchestra
>> > closing tag
>> > Creating score
>> > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>> > using callback interface
>> > opcode deprecatedopcode deprecatedopcode deprecatedopcode
>> deprecatedopcode
>> > deprecatedopcode deprecatedsorting score ...
>> >         ... done
>> > '''
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changed was superseded by changed2 as it is more consistent on the first 
call.  I think  there is  mistype in the manual for changed2 (ever=>never)

On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:

> Ok, thanks,but is changed really deprecated? Why would it be?
> 
> tor. 1. aug. 2019 kl. 12:16 skrev John ff :
>       The component after the . is not really the name but a tag that
>       identifies which version of a polymorphic opcode is selected.
>
>       I changed the development code to print the opcode name in the
>       case you have.
>
>       So it does look like changed is the deprecated opcode.
> 
>
>       ⁣Sent from TypeApp
>
>       ​On Aug 1, 2019, 10:35, at 10:35, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>        wrote:
>       >Thanks for the help.
>       >I can find "changed.k" and "changed.S" in the list,
>       >and I do use changed as a function call changed() in my csd.
>       >Actually I use it six times, and the deprecatedopcode is also
>       printed
>       >six
>       >times,
>       >perhaps a sign that it refers to these function calls in my csd?
>       >... but I use the regular changed opcode,
>       >I am unsure of what the .k and .S means in the list of deprecated
>       >opcodes(?)
>       >
>       >best
>       >Oeyvind
>       >
>       >ons. 31. jul. 2019 kl. 17:56 skrev john :
>       >
>       >> That message cmes fro the semantic analysis; unfortunately the
>       actual
>       >> opcode name is not available to that code (will look at fixing
>       >that...)
>       >> But the deprecated opcodes sould be reported elsewhere, in the
>       parser
>       >> where te full information should be printed.
>       >>
>       >> So I am not sure why yoiare not seeing that diagnostic
>       >>
>       >> I have a list of deprecated opcodes (attached)
>       >>
>       >> ==John ff
>       >>
>       >> On Wed, 31 Jul 2019, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>       >>
>       >> > Hi,
>       >> > I just noticed this warning when running one of my csds.
>       >> > I understand that I probably have a deprecated opcode
>       somewhere in
>       >my
>       >> file,
>       >> > but unsure of how to identify it.
>       >> > all hints appreciated
>       >> > Oeyvind
>       >> >
>       >> > '''
>       >> > Creating options
>       >> > Creating orchestra
>       >> > closing tag
>       >> > Creating score
>       >> > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>       >> > using callback interface
>       >> > opcode deprecatedopcode deprecatedopcode deprecatedopcode
>       >> deprecatedopcode
>       >> > deprecatedopcode deprecatedsorting score ...
>       >> >         ... done
>       >> > '''
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Is it possible to make changed an alias of changed2, or maybe reuse it internally. That way we could remove the deprecated flag.

Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
Maynooth University
Ireland

> On 1 Aug 2019, at 15:58, john  wrote:
> 
> changed was superseded by changed2 as it is more consistent on the first call.  I think  there is  mistype in the manual for changed2 (ever=>never)
> 
>> On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, thanks,but is changed really deprecated? Why would it be?
>> tor. 1. aug. 2019 kl. 12:16 skrev John ff :
>>      The component after the . is not really the name but a tag that
>>      identifies which version of a polymorphic opcode is selected.
>> 
>>      I changed the development code to print the opcode name in the
>>      case you have.
>> 
>>      So it does look like changed is the deprecated opcode.
>> 
>>      ⁣Sent from TypeApp
>> 
>>      ​On Aug 1, 2019, 10:35, at 10:35, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>       wrote:
>>      >Thanks for the help.
>>      >I can find "changed.k" and "changed.S" in the list,
>>      >and I do use changed as a function call changed() in my csd.
>>      >Actually I use it six times, and the deprecatedopcode is also
>>      printed
>>      >six
>>      >times,
>>      >perhaps a sign that it refers to these function calls in my csd?
>>      >... but I use the regular changed opcode,
>>      >I am unsure of what the .k and .S means in the list of deprecated
>>      >opcodes(?)
>>      >
>>      >best
>>      >Oeyvind
>>      >
>>      >ons. 31. jul. 2019 kl. 17:56 skrev john :
>>      >
>>      >> That message cmes fro the semantic analysis; unfortunately the
>>      actual
>>      >> opcode name is not available to that code (will look at fixing
>>      >that...)
>>      >> But the deprecated opcodes sould be reported elsewhere, in the
>>      parser
>>      >> where te full information should be printed.
>>      >>
>>      >> So I am not sure why yoiare not seeing that diagnostic
>>      >>
>>      >> I have a list of deprecated opcodes (attached)
>>      >>
>>      >> ==John ff
>>      >>
>>      >> On Wed, 31 Jul 2019, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>>      >>
>>      >> > Hi,
>>      >> > I just noticed this warning when running one of my csds.
>>      >> > I understand that I probably have a deprecated opcode
>>      somewhere in
>>      >my
>>      >> file,
>>      >> > but unsure of how to identify it.
>>      >> > all hints appreciated
>>      >> > Oeyvind
>>      >> >
>>      >> > '''
>>      >> > Creating options
>>      >> > Creating orchestra
>>      >> > closing tag
>>      >> > Creating score
>>      >> > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>>      >> > using callback interface
>>      >> > opcode deprecatedopcode deprecatedopcode deprecatedopcode
>>      >> deprecatedopcode
>>      >> > deprecatedopcode deprecatedsorting score ...
>>      >> >         ... done
>>      >> > '''
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I get deprecated warnings all the time with array(), which I prefer to
use over fillarray in live coding as it's faster to type. Won't be an
issue for CS7 where [] is part of the syntax, but the deprecated
warnings are overkill in a live coding setting as they show up every
time code that uses the opcode is evaluated and it becomes noise in
the message output.  I would like to see the message output for this
be controllable with a flag.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 11:02 AM Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>
> Is it possible to make changed an alias of changed2, or maybe reuse it internally. That way we could remove the deprecated flag.
>
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
>
> > On 1 Aug 2019, at 15:58, john  wrote:
> >
> > changed was superseded by changed2 as it is more consistent on the first call.  I think  there is  mistype in the manual for changed2 (ever=>never)
> >
> >> On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, thanks,but is changed really deprecated? Why would it be?
> >> tor. 1. aug. 2019 kl. 12:16 skrev John ff :
> >>      The component after the . is not really the name but a tag that
> >>      identifies which version of a polymorphic opcode is selected.
> >>
> >>      I changed the development code to print the opcode name in the
> >>      case you have.
> >>
> >>      So it does look like changed is the deprecated opcode.
> >>
> >>      ⁣Sent from TypeApp
> >>
> >>      On Aug 1, 2019, 10:35, at 10:35, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> >>       wrote:
> >>      >Thanks for the help.
> >>      >I can find "changed.k" and "changed.S" in the list,
> >>      >and I do use changed as a function call changed() in my csd.
> >>      >Actually I use it six times, and the deprecatedopcode is also
> >>      printed
> >>      >six
> >>      >times,
> >>      >perhaps a sign that it refers to these function calls in my csd?
> >>      >... but I use the regular changed opcode,
> >>      >I am unsure of what the .k and .S means in the list of deprecated
> >>      >opcodes(?)
> >>      >
> >>      >best
> >>      >Oeyvind
> >>      >
> >>      >ons. 31. jul. 2019 kl. 17:56 skrev john :
> >>      >
> >>      >> That message cmes fro the semantic analysis; unfortunately the
> >>      actual
> >>      >> opcode name is not available to that code (will look at fixing
> >>      >that...)
> >>      >> But the deprecated opcodes sould be reported elsewhere, in the
> >>      parser
> >>      >> where te full information should be printed.
> >>      >>
> >>      >> So I am not sure why yoiare not seeing that diagnostic
> >>      >>
> >>      >> I have a list of deprecated opcodes (attached)
> >>      >>
> >>      >> ==John ff
> >>      >>
> >>      >> On Wed, 31 Jul 2019, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
> >>      >>
> >>      >> > Hi,
> >>      >> > I just noticed this warning when running one of my csds.
> >>      >> > I understand that I probably have a deprecated opcode
> >>      somewhere in
> >>      >my
> >>      >> file,
> >>      >> > but unsure of how to identify it.
> >>      >> > all hints appreciated
> >>      >> > Oeyvind
> >>      >> >
> >>      >> > '''
> >>      >> > Creating options
> >>      >> > Creating orchestra
> >>      >> > closing tag
> >>      >> > Creating score
> >>      >> > rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
> >>      >> > using callback interface
> >>      >> > opcode deprecatedopcode deprecatedopcode deprecatedopcode
> >>      >> deprecatedopcode
> >>      >> > deprecatedopcode deprecatedsorting score ...
> >>      >> >         ... done
> >>      >> > '''
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On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, Victor Lazzarini wrote:

> Is it possible to make changed an alias of changed2, or maybe reuse it internally. That way we could remove the deprecated flag.
>
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
>
>> On 1 Aug 2019, at 15:58, john  wrote:
>>
>> changed was superseded by changed2 as it is more consistent on the first call.  I think  there is  mistype in the manual for changed2 (ever=>never)
>>

It was done this way as it is an incompatible change of semantics.  I think 
this was discussed at the time changed2 was written (Jan 2016).

The string form is the same as that was new code; ie changed2.S is the 
same as changed2.S

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In newcode onre should not be using array but fillarray


On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, Steven Yi wrote:

> I get deprecated warnings all the time with array(), which I prefer to
> use over fillarray in live coding as it's faster to type. Won't be an
> issue for CS7 where [] is part of the syntax, but the deprecated
> warnings are overkill in a live coding setting as they show up every
> time code that uses the opcode is evaluated and it becomes noise in
> the message output.  I would like to see the message output for this
> be controllable with a flag.
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 11:02 AM Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>
>> Is it possible to make changed an alias of changed2, or maybe reuse it internally. That way we could remove the deprecated flag.
>>
>> Victor Lazzarini
>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>> Maynooth University
>> Ireland
>>
>>> On 1 Aug 2019, at 15:58, john  wrote:
>>>
>>> changed was superseded by changed2 as it is more consistent on the first call.  I think  there is  mistype in the manual for changed2 (ever=>never)
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok, thanks,but is changed really deprecated? Why would it be?
>>>> tor. 1. aug. 2019 kl. 12:16 skrev John ff :
>>>>      The component after the . is not really the name but a tag that
>>>>      identifies which version of a polymorphic opcode is selected.
>>>>
>>>>      I changed the development code to print the opcode name in the
>>>>      case you have.
>>>>
>>>>      So it does look like changed is the deprecated opcode.
>>>>
>>>>      ⁣Sent from TypeApp
>>>>
>>>>      On Aug 1, 2019, 10:35, at 10:35, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>>       wrote:
>>>>     >Thanks for the help.
>>>>     >I can find "changed.k" and "changed.S" in the list,
>>>>     >and I do use changed as a function call changed() in my csd.
>>>>     >Actually I use it six times, and the deprecatedopcode is also
>>>>      printed
>>>>     >six
>>>>     >times,
>>>>     >perhaps a sign that it refers to these function calls in my csd?
>>>>     >... but I use the regular changed opcode,
>>>>     >I am unsure of what the .k and .S means in the list of deprecated
>>>>     >opcodes(?)
>>>>     >
>>>>     >best
>>>>     >Oeyvind
>>>>     >
>>>>     >ons. 31. jul. 2019 kl. 17:56 skrev john :
>>>>     >
>>>>     >> That message cmes fro the semantic analysis; unfortunately the
>>>>      actual
>>>>     >> opcode name is not available to that code (will look at fixing
>>>>     >that...)
>>>>     >> But the deprecated opcodes sould be reported elsewhere, in the
>>>>      parser
>>>>     >> where te full information should be printed.
>>>>     >>
>>>>     >> So I am not sure why yoiare not seeing that diagnostic
>>>>     >>
>>>>     >> I have a list of deprecated opcodes (attached)
>>>>     >>
>>>>     >> ==John ff
>>>>     >>
>>>>     >> On Wed, 31 Jul 2019, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>>>>     >>
>>>>     >>> Hi,
>>>>     >>> I just noticed this warning when running one of my csds.
>>>>     >>> I understand that I probably have a deprecated opcode
>>>>      somewhere in
>>>>     >my
>>>>     >> file,
>>>>     >>> but unsure of how to identify it.
>>>>     >>> all hints appreciated
>>>>     >>> Oeyvind
>>>>     >>>
>>>>     >>> '''
>>>>     >>> Creating options
>>>>     >>> Creating orchestra
>>>>     >>> closing tag
>>>>     >>> Creating score
>>>>     >>> rtaudio: PortAudio module enabled ...
>>>>     >>> using callback interface
>>>>     >>> opcode deprecatedopcode deprecatedopcode deprecatedopcode
>>>>     >> deprecatedopcode
>>>>     >>> deprecatedopcode deprecatedsorting score ...
>>>>     >>>         ... done
>>>>     >>> '''
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ok, different semantics won't allow what I had in mind.

Victor Lazzarini
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> On 1 Aug 2019, at 16:24, john  wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> 
>> Is it possible to make changed an alias of changed2, or maybe reuse it internally. That way we could remove the deprecated flag.
>> 
>> Victor Lazzarini
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>> 
>>> On 1 Aug 2019, at 15:58, john  wrote:
>>> 
>>> changed was superseded by changed2 as it is more consistent on the first call.  I think  there is  mistype in the manual for changed2 (ever=>never)
>>> 
> 
> It was done this way as it is an incompatible change of semantics.  I think this was discussed at the time changed2 was written (Jan 2016).
> 
> The string form is the same as that was new code; ie changed2.S is the same as changed2.S
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That isn't the point and doesn't address my concern at all.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 11:28 AM john  wrote:
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> In newcode onre should not be using array but fillarray
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, Steven Yi wrote:
>
> > I get deprecated warnings all the time with array(), which I prefer to
> > use over fillarray in live coding as it's faster to type. Won't be an
> > issue for CS7 where [] is part of the syntax, but the deprecated
> > warnings are overkill in a live coding setting as they show up every
> > time code that uses the opcode is evaluated and it becomes noise in
> > the message output.  I would like to see the message output for this
> > be controllable with a flag.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 11:02 AM Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> >>
> >> Is it possible to make changed an alias of changed2, or maybe reuse it internally. That way we could remove the deprecated flag.
> >>
> >> Victor Lazzarini
> >> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> >> Maynooth University
> >> Ireland
> >>
> >>> On 1 Aug 2019, at 15:58, john  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> changed was superseded by changed2 as it is more consistent on the first call.  I think  there is  mistype in the manual for changed2 (ever=>never)
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Ok, thanks,but is changed really deprecated? Why would it be?
> >>>> tor. 1. aug. 2019 kl. 12:16 skrev John ff :
> >>>>      The component after the . is not really the name but a tag that
> >>>>      identifies which version of a polymorphic opcode is selected.
> >>>>
> >>>>      I changed the development code to print the opcode name in the
> >>>>      case you have.
> >>>>
> >>>>      So it does look like changed is the deprecated opcode.
> >>>>
> >>>>      ⁣Sent from TypeApp
> >>>>
> >>>>      On Aug 1, 2019, 10:35, at 10:35, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> >>>>       wrote:
> >>>>     >Thanks for the help.
> >>>>     >I can find "changed.k" and "changed.S" in the list,
> >>>>     >and I do use changed as a function call changed() in my csd.
> >>>>     >Actually I use it six times, and the deprecatedopcode is also
> >>>>      printed
> >>>>     >six
> >>>>     >times,
> >>>>     >perhaps a sign that it refers to these function calls in my csd?
> >>>>     >... but I use the regular changed opcode,
> >>>>     >I am unsure of what the .k and .S means in the list of deprecated
> >>>>     >opcodes(?)
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     >best
> >>>>     >Oeyvind
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     >ons. 31. jul. 2019 kl. 17:56 skrev john :
> >>>>     >
> >>>>     >> That message cmes fro the semantic analysis; unfortunately the
> >>>>      actual
> >>>>     >> opcode name is not available to that code (will look at fixing
> >>>>     >that...)
> >>>>     >> But the deprecated opcodes sould be reported elsewhere, in the
> >>>>      parser
> >>>>     >> where te full information should be printed.
> >>>>     >>
> >>>>     >> So I am not sure why yoiare not seeing that diagnostic
> >>>>     >>
> >>>>     >> I have a list of deprecated opcodes (attached)
> >>>>     >>
> >>>>     >> ==John ff
> >>>>     >>
> >>>>     >> On Wed, 31 Jul 2019, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
> >>>>     >>
> >>>>     >>> Hi,
> >>>>     >>> I just noticed this warning when running one of my csds.
> >>>>     >>> I understand that I probably have a deprecated opcode
> >>>>      somewhere in
> >>>>     >my
> >>>>     >> file,
> >>>>     >>> but unsure of how to identify it.
> >>>>     >>> all hints appreciated
> >>>>     >>> Oeyvind
> >>>>     >>>
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yes the behaviour is different:

instr 1
  kChanged changed 1
  kChanged2 changed2 1
  printk 0, kChanged
  printk 0, kChanged2
  turnoff
endin

new alloc for instr 1:
  i   1 time     0.00000:     1.00000
  i   1 time     0.00000:     0.00000

i think changed should not be marked as deprecated.  changed2 is an 
extension, and gives different output at first k-cycle.

	j



On 01/08/19 17:35, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> ok, different semantics won't allow what I had in mind.
>
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
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>> On 1 Aug 2019, at 16:24, john  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 1 Aug 2019, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>
>>> Is it possible to make changed an alias of changed2, or maybe reuse it internally. That way we could remove the deprecated flag.
>>>
>>> Victor Lazzarini
>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>>> Maynooth University
>>> Ireland
>>>
>>>> On 1 Aug 2019, at 15:58, john  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> changed was superseded by changed2 as it is more consistent on the first call.  I think  there is  mistype in the manual for changed2 (ever=>never)
>>>>
>>
>> It was done this way as it is an incompatible change of semantics.  I think this was discussed at the time changed2 was written (Jan 2016).
>>
>> The string form is the same as that was new code; ie changed2.S is the same as changed2.S
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