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[Csnd] What is the best open source physical modeling toolkit for sound synthesis that would be compatible with the Csound LGPL license?

Date2014-03-11 18:10
FromMichael Gogins
Subject[Csnd] What is the best open source physical modeling toolkit for sound synthesis that would be compatible with the Csound LGPL license?
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Please, help me out here. Note: I am not primarily interested in GPU acceleration, I am primarily interested in audio and musical quality, and ease of integrating code.

Context: Recently I heard some really impressive sound synthesis in a piece by James Dashow, who uses mostly his own systems. So I started looking around for up to date physical modeling software that is open source. Hastily and superficially of course. So far:

Software synthesizers (Csound, Supercollider, Pure Data, Max/Msp, rtcmix, etc.)

Various good and not so good Csound models by various people (including Stefan Bilbao)

STK (CCRMA), also exists in Csound

PeRColate (from Columbia, expanded (?) port of STK)

NESS, research underway with Bilbao Lazzarini and others (http://www.ness.music.ed.ac.uk/), runs on GPUs, a research project.

Taopm (GPL), not maintained, still works, generates C++ code that is compiled to run and generate sounds that are then translated to soundfiles. No brass, but strings and plates are great.

CORDIS-ANIMA (from ACROE, not open source, "call us")

Mosaic/Modalys (proprietary from Ircam, seems to be OS X only)


Faust (in terms of actual sounds, seems on a level with Stk; integrates very well with Csound and other systems).

I have not heard PeRColate, CORDIS-ANIMA, CLAM, or Mosaic/Modalys.

What sounds good in decreasing order: NESS tied with Dashow (!!), Taopm.

Academic research makes great sounds, but mostly remains tied up in either Matlab code or proprietary packages.

One possibility is using LuaJIT to implement a matlab clone in Csound. It would be about as fast as matlab itself.

Thanks,
Mike

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Date2014-03-11 22:35
Fromluis jure
SubjectRe: [Csnd] What is the best open source physical modeling toolkit
el 2014-03-11 a las 14:10 Michael Gogins escribió:

> So I started looking around for up to date physical modeling software
> that is open source. Hastily and superficially of course. 

thanks for posting the results of your survey, michael. i didn't know
about the NESS project, it looks (and sounds!) quite impressive.


Date2014-03-12 06:17
Frommoguillansky
SubjectRe: [Cs-dev] What is the best open source physical modeling toolkit for sound synthesis that would be compatible with the Csound LGPL license?
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I have ported the "lambda" project to OSX (it works on Linux also). lambda is a 2D FTDT simulator effective in room simulation acoustics but also very accurate in tube simulations. I have used it to simulate the Kempelen speach machine with nice results. It is by no means real-time, quite the opposite (as all the FTDT systems I know). 



cheers,
Eduardo Moguillansky

On 11.03.2014, at 19:11, Michael Gogins-2 [via Csound] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Please, help me out here. Note: I am not primarily interested in GPU acceleration, I am primarily interested in audio and musical quality, and ease of integrating code.

Context: Recently I heard some really impressive sound synthesis in a piece by James Dashow, who uses mostly his own systems. So I started looking around for up to date physical modeling software that is open source. Hastily and superficially of course. So far:

Software synthesizers (Csound, Supercollider, Pure Data, Max/Msp, rtcmix, etc.)

Various good and not so good Csound models by various people (including Stefan Bilbao)

STK (CCRMA), also exists in Csound

PeRColate (from Columbia, expanded (?) port of STK)

NESS, research underway with Bilbao Lazzarini and others (http://www.ness.music.ed.ac.uk/), runs on GPUs, a research project.

Taopm (GPL), not maintained, still works, generates C++ code that is compiled to run and generate sounds that are then translated to soundfiles. No brass, but strings and plates are great.

CORDIS-ANIMA (from ACROE, not open source, "call us")

Mosaic/Modalys (proprietary from Ircam, seems to be OS X only)


Faust (in terms of actual sounds, seems on a level with Stk; integrates very well with Csound and other systems).

I have not heard PeRColate, CORDIS-ANIMA, CLAM, or Mosaic/Modalys.

What sounds good in decreasing order: NESS tied with Dashow (!!), Taopm.

Academic research makes great sounds, but mostly remains tied up in either Matlab code or proprietary packages.

One possibility is using LuaJIT to implement a matlab clone in Csound. It would be about as fast as matlab itself.

Thanks,
Mike

-----------------------------------------------------
Michael Gogins
Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com

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Date2014-03-18 01:59
FromSteven Yi
SubjectRe: [Cs-dev] What is the best open source physical modeling toolkit for sound synthesis that would be compatible with the Csound LGPL license?
Speaking of FDTD, I just came across the commercial synth Kaivo:

http://www.madronalabs.com/products/kaivo

I haven't tried it, but the examples sounded quite nice.  I find most
of the FDTD stuff I've heard to be fantastic. Curious too that it's a
realtime plugin.



On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:17 AM, moguillansky
 wrote:
> I have ported the "lambda" project to OSX (it works on Linux also). lambda
> is a 2D FTDT simulator effective in room simulation acoustics but also very
> accurate in tube simulations. I have used it to simulate the Kempelen speach
> machine with nice results. It is by no means real-time, quite the opposite
> (as all the FTDT systems I know).
>
> https://github.com/gesellkammer/lambda
>
> cheers,
> Eduardo Moguillansky
>
> On 11.03.2014, at 19:11, Michael Gogins-2 [via Csound] <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> Please, help me out here. Note: I am not primarily interested in GPU
> acceleration, I am primarily interested in audio and musical quality, and
> ease of integrating code.
>
> Context: Recently I heard some really impressive sound synthesis in a piece
> by James Dashow, who uses mostly his own systems. So I started looking
> around for up to date physical modeling software that is open source.
> Hastily and superficially of course. So far:
>
> Software synthesizers (Csound, Supercollider, Pure Data, Max/Msp, rtcmix,
> etc.)
>
> Various good and not so good Csound models by various people (including
> Stefan Bilbao)
>
> STK (CCRMA), also exists in Csound
>
> PeRColate (from Columbia, expanded (?) port of STK)
>
> NESS, research underway with Bilbao Lazzarini and others
> (http://www.ness.music.ed.ac.uk/), runs on GPUs, a research project.
>
> Taopm (GPL), not maintained, still works, generates C++ code that is
> compiled to run and generate sounds that are then translated to soundfiles.
> No brass, but strings and plates are great.
>
> CORDIS-ANIMA (from ACROE, not open source, "call us")
>
> Mosaic/Modalys (proprietary from Ircam, seems to be OS X only)
>
> CLAM (http://clam-project.org/)
>
> Faust (in terms of actual sounds, seems on a level with Stk; integrates very
> well with Csound and other systems).
>
> I have not heard PeRColate, CORDIS-ANIMA, CLAM, or Mosaic/Modalys.
>
> What sounds good in decreasing order: NESS tied with Dashow (!!), Taopm.
>
> Academic research makes great sounds, but mostly remains tied up in either
> Matlab code or proprietary packages.
>
> One possibility is using LuaJIT to implement a matlab clone in Csound. It
> would be about as fast as matlab itself.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Michael Gogins
> Irreducible Productions
> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
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