[Csnd] re:re: sloppy packaging
Date | 2010-02-23 18:31 |
From | Robert or Gretchen Foose |
Subject | [Csnd] re:re: sloppy packaging |
Dave Phillips wrote: Working with Csound isn't always about instrument building. There are plenty of pre-built instruments for Csound, and like your guitar you have to learn to play them. Then you have to learn to play them well. Thanks for the reply, Dave. You're correct, of course, with regard to the numerous pre-built instruments available to you once you have a working installation of csound. What I was referring to in my post was the suggestion that people build their own installation from sources. I have actually considered doing this..but I find that, to extend the guitar analogy, the instructions for building assume that I know what a spoke shave is and how to use it, that I have the molds and metals to create the frets, etc., and know how to use them, and that I am conversant with the arcane terminologies used by luthiers. The article in the manual about building csound from sources is, to me, similarly confusing and/or intimidating. I don't consider myself incapable of meeting the challenges to undertake and complete the process..I just have better use for my time, and can't imagine why I would ever need to use the ancillary programs required for such a task for any other purpose. As a matter of fact, for my own use, csound 4.23 is mostly adequate, but I do like some of the tools, GEN routines, etc. that come with the 5.x series. Could I live without them..yes. And if learning to compile from sources is the only way to get access to them, I suppose I will learn to live without them. Unless someone who has Windows experience can communicate to a relatively illiterate novice a way to do so that makes me feel it's worth my time to try. P.S. Apparently even some of those who have risen to the challenge of using Linux have difficulties with the process too. Yet another reason for me to stay in the Windows cocoon a little longer. P.P.S. I might mention that I hold everyone who works to make csound better in the highest regard. I make these remarks, as I have others, in the spirit of offering the small bit of help that I am capable of..suggestions in the form of criticisms. Send bugs reports to this list. To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" |
Date | 2010-02-23 18:38 |
From | Rory Walsh |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: re:re: sloppy packaging |
Are people really having a lot of difficulties with the windows installers? I've found that both OSX and windows installers have been getting better and better in the last few years thanks in no small part to the work of Michael and Victor. Am I right in assuming it's not necessarily the installers on these platforms but the small bugs present in the versions of Csound they install? On 23 February 2010 18:31, Robert or Gretchen Foose |
Date | 2010-02-23 19:08 |
From | Dave Phillips |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: re:re: sloppy packaging |
Robert or Gretchen Foose wrote: > Dave Phillips wrote: > Working with Csound isn't always about instrument building. There are > plenty of pre-built instruments for Csound, and like your guitar you > have to learn to play them. Then you have to learn to play them well. > > Thanks for the reply, Dave. You're correct, of course, with regard to > the numerous pre-built instruments available to you once you have a > working installation of csound. What I was referring to in my post > was the suggestion that people build their own installation from sources. Let me clarify that: I agree that the Csound devs should make binaries available for Win/Mac users, and that they should forego building binaries for Linux systems. Linux distributions have package maintainers, it's their job to ensure that the package will run on the distro. I agree that they should do just that by building Csound from sources on the target distribution. > I have actually considered doing this..but I find that, to extend the > guitar analogy, the instructions for building assume that I know what > a spoke shave is and how to use it, that I have the molds and metals > to create the frets, etc., and know how to use them, and that I am > conversant with the arcane terminologies used by luthiers. > The article in the manual about building csound from sources is, to > me, similarly confusing and/or intimidating. I don't consider myself > incapable of meeting the challenges to undertake and complete the > process..I just have better use for my time, and can't imagine why I > would ever need to use the ancillary programs required for such a task > for any other purpose. Fair enough statements. Too often I forget that there are systems (even Linux systems) where people simply install working programs and run them. :) If you're working on Windows I wouldn't expect you to have any development tools around at all, not unless you're a professional or an aspiring programmer. And frankly, even with my experience compiling software under Linux I doubt I'd want to try it under Windows. > P.S. Apparently even some of those who have risen to the challenge > of using Linux have difficulties with the process too. Yet another > reason for me to stay in the Windows cocoon a little longer. The last thing I would try to do is convince someone that they should use Linux. ;) Best, dp Send bugs reports to this list. To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" |