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Date2010-02-04 19:48
FromAkira Bergman
Subject[Csnd] Classical guitar
Hi,

I am interested in making classical guitar pieces with Csound. I haven't come across a convincing Csound instrument. Is there any?

How can I go about imitating by using a clever program?

Another way is using fonts. Are you aware of a good font?

Date2010-02-04 20:02
FromStefan Thomas
Subject[Csnd] Re: Classical guitar
Dear Akira,
do I understand Yoy right, that You're thinking of a program for notating music, when You speak of fonts?
C-sound is not for this purpos, it is "only" a kind of (indeed very powerful) softssynth.
If You are looking for a programm for notating music, You should use another program (like Lilypond, Denemo, Musescore).
But for sure has someone built a usable guitar sound with csound.

2010/2/4 Akira Bergman <akirabergman@gmail.com>
Hi,

I am interested in making classical guitar pieces with Csound. I haven't come across a convincing Csound instrument. Is there any?

How can I go about imitating by using a clever program?

Another way is using fonts. Are you aware of a good font?


Date2010-02-04 20:06
FromMichael Gogins
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Classical guitar
There is a convincing guitar (reasonably convincing to my ears,
anyway). One version of it is in the Csound examples directory
CsoundAC.csd orchestra, "modeled guitar by Jeff Livingston", but the
original (http://users.ece.utexas.edu/~jlivings/html/guitproj.html)
is probably better to start with, I'm not sure the one in CsoundAC.csd
is still working properly.

Hope this helps,
Mike

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Stefan Thomas
 wrote:
> Dear Akira,
> do I understand Yoy right, that You're thinking of a program for notating
> music, when You speak of fonts?
> C-sound is not for this purpos, it is "only" a kind of (indeed very
> powerful) softssynth.
> If You are looking for a programm for notating music, You should use another
> program (like Lilypond, Denemo, Musescore).
> But for sure has someone built a usable guitar sound with csound.
>
> 2010/2/4 Akira Bergman 
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am interested in making classical guitar pieces with Csound. I haven't
>> come across a convincing Csound instrument. Is there any?
>> How can I go about imitating by using a clever program?
>> Another way is using fonts. Are you aware of a good font?
>


Date2010-02-04 20:23
FromTobiah
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Classical guitar
> Dear Akira,
> do I understand Yoy right, that You're thinking of a program for notating
> music, when You speak of fonts?

I believe that the original poster was referring
to 'soundfonts', which are organized sets of
sound samples that are normally intended
to facilitate the synthesis of an instrumental
performance.

Toby


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Date2010-02-04 21:45
FromAkira Bergman
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Classical guitar
Yes.

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Tobiah <foobuddha@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Akira,
> do I understand Yoy right, that You're thinking of a program for notating
> music, when You speak of fonts?

I believe that the original poster was referring
to 'soundfonts', which are organized sets of
sound samples that are normally intended
to facilitate the synthesis of an instrumental
performance.

Toby


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Date2010-02-04 22:29
FromAkira Bergman
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Classical guitar
Thanks Mike,

You are right it is pretty good. It should keep me busy for a while. I could not find that CsoundAC.csd file in the examples. But there is enough to work on at Jeff's site.

I have been waiting for the Ubuntu Forum to reply;


before going ahead with Eric's suggestion about installing 5.11 from debian, to get the Python binding and CsoundAC working. But it seems Ubuntu Forum are reluctant to answer questions not directly related to Ubuntu. I will not wait for them anymore on this. I already tried to install it with Synaptic but ran into 'public-key' problem.




On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Michael Gogins <michael.gogins@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a convincing guitar (reasonably convincing to my ears,
anyway). One version of it is in the Csound examples directory
CsoundAC.csd orchestra, "modeled guitar by Jeff Livingston", but the
original (http://users.ece.utexas.edu/~jlivings/html/guitproj.html)
is probably better to start with, I'm not sure the one in CsoundAC.csd
is still working properly.

Hope this helps,
Mike

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Stefan Thomas
<kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Dear Akira,
> do I understand Yoy right, that You're thinking of a program for notating
> music, when You speak of fonts?
> C-sound is not for this purpos, it is "only" a kind of (indeed very
> powerful) softssynth.
> If You are looking for a programm for notating music, You should use another
> program (like Lilypond, Denemo, Musescore).
> But for sure has someone built a usable guitar sound with csound.
>
> 2010/2/4 Akira Bergman <akirabergman@gmail.com>
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am interested in making classical guitar pieces with Csound. I haven't
>> come across a convincing Csound instrument. Is there any?
>> How can I go about imitating by using a clever program?
>> Another way is using fonts. Are you aware of a good font?
>



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Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com


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Date2010-02-05 10:18
FromAndres Cabrera
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Classical guitar
Hi,

These are two interesting pages:

http://www2.siba.fi/soundingscore/guitar.html
http://www.ee.columbia.edu/~ronw/dsp/

Getting the sound is not that hard, what is hard is
gettingarticulation right, and being able to express the articulation
in a simple but effective way in computer terms.

Cheers,
Andrés

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Akira Bergman  wrote:
> Thanks Mike,
> You are right it is pretty good. It should keep me busy for a while. I could
> not find that CsoundAC.csd file in the examples. But there is enough to work
> on at Jeff's site.
> I have been waiting for the Ubuntu Forum to reply;
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1397855
> before going ahead with Eric's suggestion about installing 5.11 from debian,
> to get the Python binding and CsoundAC working. But it seems Ubuntu Forum
> are reluctant to answer questions not directly related to Ubuntu. I will not
> wait for them anymore on this. I already tried to install it with Synaptic
> but ran into 'public-key' problem.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Michael Gogins 
> wrote:
>>
>> There is a convincing guitar (reasonably convincing to my ears,
>> anyway). One version of it is in the Csound examples directory
>> CsoundAC.csd orchestra, "modeled guitar by Jeff Livingston", but the
>> original (http://users.ece.utexas.edu/~jlivings/html/guitproj.html)
>> is probably better to start with, I'm not sure the one in CsoundAC.csd
>> is still working properly.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Stefan Thomas
>>  wrote:
>> > Dear Akira,
>> > do I understand Yoy right, that You're thinking of a program for
>> > notating
>> > music, when You speak of fonts?
>> > C-sound is not for this purpos, it is "only" a kind of (indeed very
>> > powerful) softssynth.
>> > If You are looking for a programm for notating music, You should use
>> > another
>> > program (like Lilypond, Denemo, Musescore).
>> > But for sure has someone built a usable guitar sound with csound.
>> >
>> > 2010/2/4 Akira Bergman 
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >> I am interested in making classical guitar pieces with Csound. I
>> >> haven't
>> >> come across a convincing Csound instrument. Is there any?
>> >> How can I go about imitating by using a clever program?
>> >> Another way is using fonts. Are you aware of a good font?
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Gogins
>> Irreducible Productions
>> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>> csound"
>
>



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Date2010-02-05 14:59
Fromjohn saylor
Subject[Csnd] Re: Classical guitar
hi

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Akira Bergman  wrote:
> I am interested in making classical guitar pieces with Csound.

of course, you should do what interests you, but why not just find a
guitarist? yes, it is more involved than installing software, but
working with living breathing musicians instead of computers can be an
advantage too ...

or maybe you are making electronic music that is evocative of a guitar ...

i would encourage you to write the music for the instruments you hear
it for instead of using surrogates. or, to put it another way, if you
are writing music for a computer, why should you pretend it's a
guitar?

best of luck!

Date2010-02-05 19:52
FromAkira Bergman
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Classical guitar
Thanks for the interesting links.

Like speech synthesis, convincing simulation of a complex enough physical system is still pretty difficult, be it audio or video. Lets face it, a good and practical simulator can make a lot of money, not that I am after money.

Recently I was very impressed with the following non-linear simulation of hard shells;



On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Andres Cabrera <mantaraya36@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

These are two interesting pages:

http://www2.siba.fi/soundingscore/guitar.html
http://www.ee.columbia.edu/~ronw/dsp/

Getting the sound is not that hard, what is hard is
gettingarticulation right, and being able to express the articulation
in a simple but effective way in computer terms.

Cheers,
Andrés

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Akira Bergman <akirabergman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Mike,
> You are right it is pretty good. It should keep me busy for a while. I could
> not find that CsoundAC.csd file in the examples. But there is enough to work
> on at Jeff's site.
> I have been waiting for the Ubuntu Forum to reply;
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1397855
> before going ahead with Eric's suggestion about installing 5.11 from debian,
> to get the Python binding and CsoundAC working. But it seems Ubuntu Forum
> are reluctant to answer questions not directly related to Ubuntu. I will not
> wait for them anymore on this. I already tried to install it with Synaptic
> but ran into 'public-key' problem.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Michael Gogins <michael.gogins@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> There is a convincing guitar (reasonably convincing to my ears,
>> anyway). One version of it is in the Csound examples directory
>> CsoundAC.csd orchestra, "modeled guitar by Jeff Livingston", but the
>> original (http://users.ece.utexas.edu/~jlivings/html/guitproj.html)
>> is probably better to start with, I'm not sure the one in CsoundAC.csd
>> is still working properly.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Stefan Thomas
>> <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear Akira,
>> > do I understand Yoy right, that You're thinking of a program for
>> > notating
>> > music, when You speak of fonts?
>> > C-sound is not for this purpos, it is "only" a kind of (indeed very
>> > powerful) softssynth.
>> > If You are looking for a programm for notating music, You should use
>> > another
>> > program (like Lilypond, Denemo, Musescore).
>> > But for sure has someone built a usable guitar sound with csound.
>> >
>> > 2010/2/4 Akira Bergman <akirabergman@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >> I am interested in making classical guitar pieces with Csound. I
>> >> haven't
>> >> come across a convincing Csound instrument. Is there any?
>> >> How can I go about imitating by using a clever program?
>> >> Another way is using fonts. Are you aware of a good font?
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Gogins
>> Irreducible Productions
>> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>> csound"
>
>



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Date2010-02-05 20:14
FromAkira Bergman
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: Classical guitar
I play guitar and I know how difficult it is. It is more difficult than most other classical instruments. I am interested in simulations because I think they will open the way to new instruments and more expressive freedom.

In the end the medium is not that important. What is important is its expressive capability and the way it is used.


On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:59 AM, john saylor <js0000@gmail.com> wrote:
hi

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Akira Bergman <akirabergman@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am interested in making classical guitar pieces with Csound.

of course, you should do what interests you, but why not just find a
guitarist? yes, it is more involved than installing software, but
working with living breathing musicians instead of computers can be an
advantage too ...

or maybe you are making electronic music that is evocative of a guitar ...

i would encourage you to write the music for the instruments you hear
it for instead of using surrogates. or, to put it another way, if you
are writing music for a computer, why should you pretend it's a
guitar?

best of luck!


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