Re: [Csnd] Re: Xenakis etc

Date	2011-01-21 16:18
From	"Partev Barr Sarkissian"
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Re: Xenakis etc
	Yes,... such is the nature of art. -Partev ================================================ --- badmuthahubbard@gmail.com wrote: From: Chuckk Hubbard To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: [Csnd] Re: Xenakis etc Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:27:28 +0200 There is something scientific in frequency intervals, but I think the implication was that deciding which ones are more and less pleasant is still subjective. -Chuckk On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:07 AM, Partev Barr Sarkissian wrote: > Pythagoras and proportions or divisions of frequency intervals > and how they relate to one another. > > -Partev > > ========================================================== > > > --- PeterArmstrong@aya.yale.edu wrote: > > From: PMA > To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk > Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Xenakis etc > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:56:07 -0500 > > Why all this talk of traditional music theory being somehow not > mathematical? > Aren't we simply seeing two styles of arithmetic: an older, 1-based and > adding > inclusively; and our newer, 0-based and adding exclusively? > > And of course we're uncomfortable with the old. If there's more to it > than this, > then of course I'm missing what. > > Let's just all be glad Harmony I doesn't add with those Roman numerals! > > > Richard Dobson wrote: >> On 19/01/2011 00:53, Robert or Gretchen Foose wrote: >>> "add"..an example of operator overloading..the same as Python (et al.) >>> use "hot"+"dog" = "hotdog". There the '+' is used for joining two >>> strings. In music 'add' is a matter of combining two theoretical >>> structures (thirds) into one larger structure. Quite similar, but NOT >>> identical, to its use in math. I agree that the similarity is close >>> enough to be misleading, and/or confusing..but only if you expect the >>> two areas of knowledge to be the same. >> >> >> >> As a final footnote, I will "add" that I will believe it when: >> >> the standard pack of playing cards is redesigned so that the suit order >> is not A,2,3...10,J,Q,K but A,1,2...9,J,Q,K. Redefining every card game >> on the planet is but a small price to pay! >> >> >> Richard Dobson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >> csound" >> >> > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" > > -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-01-21 16:35
From	"chris flor"
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Re: Xenakis etc
	what blew my mind was looking at overtones: you can actually trace what historically was perceived (or discovered?) as harmonious in how loud a certain overtone is in the overtone spectrum: first fifth major third minor seventh major second etc. the more you go into the overtone spectrum, the more you leave 'traditional' harmonies. of course, the well tempered piano is a artificial compromise, but i believe that what sounds good or interesting to us only does so in communication with the nature of what sound is. we can choose an abstract, mathematical, or disharmonic approach, but our minds will still analyze the sound according to it's physical properties and then put it into cultural context. hehe, thanks for letting me geek out here :) ___________________________________________________________ NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://produkte.web.de/go/webdefreephone Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-01-22 01:39
From	PMA
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Re: Xenakis etc
	Perhaps the point I was trying to make didn't need making. I meant to remind, that the older music theory arithmetic, while now for good reason regarded as obsolete, was not actually senseless. (But maybe "senseless" was not what an earlier post had implied.) > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 6:07 AM, Partev Barr Sarkissian > wrote: >> Pythagoras and proportions or divisions of frequency intervals >> and how they relate to one another. >> >> -Partev >> >> ========================================================== >> >> >> --- PeterArmstrong@aya.yale.edu wrote: >> >> From: PMA >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk >> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Xenakis etc >> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:56:07 -0500 >> >> Why all this talk of traditional music theory being somehow not >> mathematical? >> Aren't we simply seeing two styles of arithmetic: an older, 1-based and >> adding >> inclusively; and our newer, 0-based and adding exclusively? >> >> And of course we're uncomfortable with the old. If there's more to it >> than this, >> then of course I'm missing what. >> >> Let's just all be glad Harmony I doesn't add with those Roman numerals! >> >> >> Richard Dobson wrote: >>> On 19/01/2011 00:53, Robert or Gretchen Foose wrote: >>>> "add"..an example of operator overloading..the same as Python (et al.) >>>> use "hot"+"dog" = "hotdog". There the '+' is used for joining two >>>> strings. In music 'add' is a matter of combining two theoretical >>>> structures (thirds) into one larger structure. Quite similar, but NOT >>>> identical, to its use in math. I agree that the similarity is close >>>> enough to be misleading, and/or confusing..but only if you expect the >>>> two areas of knowledge to be the same. >>> >>> >>> As a final footnote, I will "add" that I will believe it when: >>> >>> the standard pack of playing cards is redesigned so that the suit order >>> is not A,2,3...10,J,Q,K but A,1,2...9,J,Q,K. Redefining every card game >>> on the planet is but a small price to pay! >>> >>> >>> Richard Dobson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >>> csound" >>> >>> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" >> >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Netscape. Just the Net You Need. >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" >> >> > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"