According to the current version of the "Getting Started with Csound" page in
the Canonical Manual, installers for Mac have a .dmg or .tar.gz extension.
Isn't .tar.gz mainly a Linux compression type? Is there any reason why a
Mac-using newcomer would want to download the .tar.gz rather than the .dmg?

I also need to know about the -d versus -f business, as it's referred to on
this page. The Getting Started page indicates that both of these versions
are available -- but as far as I can see on Sourceforge, the current Windows
version is available only as -d. There is no visible information on the
Sourceforge list about which type you'll get when you download the current
.dmg for Mac, but once installed, it appears to be -f. So what I'm seeing
is, there's no -f for Windows and no -d for Mac. If this is not correct, can
somebody help me understand how to spot the versions that my poor old eyes
are missing?

One more question, for now -- I'll have more later, I'm sure. At the end of
this page is a link to Michael Gogins's tutorial.pdf, which is hosted on
csound.sourceforge.net. Michael sort of implied earlier today that a more
recent version of this tutorial (which is dated 2006) is available. Does
anyone have any information on where that might be found?

Many thanks!

--Jim Aikin

I really could use a little help with these questions. If no one can offer
answers, I'll slap together some half-educated guesses, and my guesses will
end up in the manual. (This is not a good result.)

--JA

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 00:07, Jim Aikin  wrote:
>
> According to the current version of the "Getting Started with Csound" page in
> the Canonical Manual, installers for Mac have a .dmg or .tar.gz extension.
> Isn't .tar.gz mainly a Linux compression type? Is there any reason why a
> Mac-using newcomer would want to download the .tar.gz rather than the .dmg?

I believe mac users would prefer the dmg always. ALso, AFAICS there
are no .tar.gz archives for mac. Since the Getting Started page's
target would be people getting started with csound, I would say
document only the general case.

>
> I also need to know about the -d versus -f business, as it's referred to on
> this page. The Getting Started page indicates that both of these versions
> are available -- but as far as I can see on Sourceforge, the current Windows
> version is available only as -d. There is no visible information on the
> Sourceforge list about which type you'll get when you download the current
> .dmg for Mac, but once installed, it appears to be -f. So what I'm seeing
> is, there's no -f for Windows and no -d for Mac. If this is not correct, can
> somebody help me understand how to spot the versions that my poor old eyes
> are missing?

The Mac installer apparently installs both at the same time. How would
one go about using one or the other is unknown to me.
The current Windows installer seems to be missing a -f version due to
lack of time of Michael, which provides the installers. Usually, they
are provided in both versions.

>
> One more question, for now -- I'll have more later, I'm sure. At the end of
> this page is a link to Michael Gogins's tutorial.pdf, which is hosted on
> csound.sourceforge.net. Michael sort of implied earlier today that a more
> recent version of this tutorial (which is dated 2006) is available. Does
> anyone have any information on where that might be found?

The source seems to be in CVS
(http://csound.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/csound/tutorial), but the
last commit is from more than a year ago. I would say the pdf in
csound.sf.net should be updated if it is relevant.

Hi Mr. Jim,
You can take a look to Mr. Gogins page

   http://michael-gogins.com/

There, if i'm correct, You can find the last version of some articles by Mr.
Gogins
and other things.

Hope useful,
ciao,
francesco. 

Hi,

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:10 AM, Felipe Sateler  wrote:
> The Mac installer apparently installs both at the same time. How would
> one go about using one or the other is unknown to me.
> The current Windows installer seems to be missing a -f version due to
> lack of time of Michael, which provides the installers. Usually, they
> are provided in both versions.

Both libraries (frameworks in this case) are installed, and binaries
like the csound command line program or QuteCsound can be built
against one or the other (I wish it would be that easy on other
platforms- just use --framework CsoundLib or --framework CsoundLib64).
So it actually depends on the particular software you are using.
QuteCsound on OS X is currently distributed for floats only, but I'm
considering distributing doubles also for the next release.

Cheers,
Andres


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On 06/01/2011 05:10, Felipe Sateler wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 00:07, Jim Aikin  wrote:
>>
>> According to the current version of the "Getting Started with Csound" page in
>> the Canonical Manual, installers for Mac have a .dmg or .tar.gz extension.
>> Isn't .tar.gz mainly a Linux compression type? Is there any reason why a
>> Mac-using newcomer would want to download the .tar.gz rather than the .dmg?
>
> I believe mac users would prefer the dmg always. ALso, AFAICS there
> are no .tar.gz archives for mac. Since the Getting Started page's
> target would be people getting started with csound, I would say
> document only the general case.
>


FWIW: tar.gz is fully supported on the mac, I use it all the time. For 
source code distributions I think it is still more common than dmg, 
which is used mainly for application distribution. I think a basic 
version of "Stuffit" is provided on the Mac as standard; and of course 
the core unix tools are all present. In any case, it is as easy to 
double-click on a  tar.gz file to unpack as it is to double-click on a 
dmg; if anything unpacking the tar.gz is faster.

The main advantage (I guess) of the dmg is that it likely handles all 
the extra characters the Mac permits in file and directory names such as 
*?\< that might upset the unix tools (they certainly upset my NAT drive) 
and which nobody should use if portability is important at all, but do, 
sometimes (and even Mac software such as XCode does, sometimes!). Some 
Mac users seem to want to use file names such as "how do I  
this\that?.doc" and "why a*b<=c\d?.txt". I have never tried it, but 
tar.gz may not cope with such things.

Richard Dobson



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I'm pretty sure that archive is for source code only. The latest
installers also come with all the header files you need to start using
the API. Previous to this one had to download the entire source.

Rory.


On 6 January 2011 16:38, Jim Aikin  wrote:
> On 1/6/2011 2:27 AM, Richard Dobson [via Csound] wrote:
>> On 06/01/2011 05:10, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>> >
>> > I believe mac users would prefer the dmg always. ALso, AFAICS there
>> > are no .tar.gz archives for mac. Since the Getting Started page's
>> > target would be people getting started with csound, I would say
>> > document only the general case.
>>
>> FWIW: tar.gz is fully supported on the mac, I use it all the time. For
>> source code distributions I think it is still more common than dmg,
>> which is used mainly for application distribution.
> Since this is for a Getting Started page, my main question is, are the
> _binaries_ for MacOS available as tar.gz? Or is that type of file
> available only if you're downloading the source code?
>
> --JA
>
>
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