[Csnd] OT: Phi (integrated information theory)

Date	2012-08-17 23:27
From	peiman khosravi
Subject	[Csnd] OT: Phi (integrated information theory)
	Hello everyone, I watched this lecture last night, which might be of interest to some. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=6i9kE3Ne7as I've ordered his book now. Particularly interesting is Guilio Tononi's Integrated Information Theory, which attempts to quantify consciousness in order to answer the big question of how matter becomes conscious and develops imagination (also ordered two of his books today: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s?_encoding=UTF8&search-alias=books-uk&field-author=Giulio%20Tononi). The mathematical formula for calculating Phi seems simple enough (not the amount of processing involved in calculating it for the human mind of course). I'm wondering if there may be some uses in algorithmic music generation or analysis: if higher levels of Phi lead to somewhat more interesting musical contexts. In other words, can a musical context have a level (no matter how small) of consciousness if viewed as a closed system? P

Date	2012-08-18 04:12
From	Deepak
Subject	Re: [Csnd] OT: Phi (integrated information theory)
	Thanks a lot Peiman...This looks very interesting for sure...I myself have been thinking about a few of these issues..Cant wait to watch! Deepak. On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 6:27 PM, peiman khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com> wrote: Hello everyone, I watched this lecture last night, which might be of interest to some. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=6i9kE3Ne7as I've ordered his book now. Particularly interesting is Guilio Tononi's Integrated Information Theory, which attempts to quantify consciousness in order to answer the big question of how matter becomes conscious and develops imagination (also ordered two of his books today: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s?_encoding=UTF8&search-alias=books-uk&field-author=Giulio%20Tononi). The mathematical formula for calculating Phi seems simple enough (not the amount of processing involved in calculating it for the human mind of course). I'm wondering if there may be some uses in algorithmic music generation or analysis: if higher levels of Phi lead to somewhat more interesting musical contexts. In other words, can a musical context have a level (no matter how small) of consciousness if viewed as a closed system? P -- www.myspace.com/dcompanymusic www.myspace.com/thewoodshedmusicians

Date	2012-08-18 10:48
From	zappfinger
Subject	[Csnd] Re: OT: Phi (integrated information theory)
	Very interesting indeed. My view on consiousnes is a but different: I do not believe it arises out of matter, but instead it gets limited (filtered) in living organisms. It has to do with information theory and degrees of freedom (dof). In a simple diagram: the void - highest dof/consiousnes - everything emerges from it matter (atoms, etc)- very high dof/consiousnes - the physical word is made from it cells - high dof/consiousnes, cells can become specialised to form: organs - medium dof/consiousnes now consiousnes can overlap any of these domains... Richard -- View this message in context: http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/OT-Phi-integrated-information-theory-tp5714933p5714941.html Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.