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Victor
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cortaigne" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:06 AM
Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Random Question


> On Mar 7, 2008, at 11:05:38 PM CST, Art Hunkins wrote:
>> When seed 0 is used in a .csd header, rand is initialized by the  system 
>> clock, and should give differing values for each performance  or 
>> rendering. At least this is supposed to be the case on all systems.
>
> That would be my understanding as well, based on what I've read in  the 
> manual -- more or less, anyway.  The entry for seed says  specifically, 
> "rand, randh, randi, rnd(x) and birnd(x) are not  affected by seed" -- but 
> that shouldn't be an issue anyway, since I'm  using linrand.  Now, since 
> the entry for seed also says it "Sets the  global seed value for all 
> x-class noise generators...", and the entry  for linrand says, "This is an 
> x-class noise generator," it would seem  to me that linrand should be 
> affected by seed -- and indeed it seems  to be, when seed is included 
> within the instrument.  However, having  moved seed out of the instrument 
> and under the header, it seems to  have absolutely no effect on the 
> linrand, as deleting the seed line  entirely will produce exactly the same 
> sequence of output, namely:
>
> instr 1:  iBase = 4.393
> instr 1:  iBase = 7.716
> instr 1:  iBase = 4.293
> instr 1:  iBase = 5.660
> instr 1:  iBase = 3.117
> instr 1:  iBase = 2.097
> instr 1:  iBase = 6.931
> instr 1:  iBase = 13.385
> instr 1:  iBase = 16.162
> instr 1:  iBase = 19.179
> instr 1:  iBase = 3.798
> instr 1:  iBase = 7.867
> instr 1:  iBase = 8.673
> instr 1:  iBase = 10.029
> instr 1:  iBase = 15.169
> instr 1:  iBase = 21.748
>
> If it makes a difference, I'm using MacCsound, which, according to  the 
> same output log, uses "Csound Version 4.23f12 (Mar  9 2005)."   I'm very 
> curious what sort of performance/rendering another system  would produce 
> from the same CSD. Would someone please try to run  this?  The only other 
> changes I've made are the tempo and the note  durations; giving it a 
> shuffle makes the sequence easier to remember  from one 
> performance/rendering to the next.
>
> 
> 
>
> sr = 44100
> kr = 4410
> ksmps = 10
> nchnls = 1
>
> seed 0
>
> instr 1
>
> ; Random Note Selector
> iBase linrand 25
> iNum = int(iBase)
> iNote = (iNum/100) + 7
>
> ; Envelope
> aEnv linen db(p4), (p3 / 3), p3, (p3 / 3)
>
> ; Output
> aSig oscil aEnv, cpspch(iNote), 1
> print iBase
> print iNote
> out aSig
>
> endin
>
> 
> 
>
> f1 0 16384 10 1 0.618 0.382 0.236 0.146 0.090 0.056 0.034 0.021 0.013 
> 0.008 0.005 0.003 0.002 0.001
>
> t 0 390
>
> i1 0 2 85
> i. + 1 .
> i. . 2 .
> i. . 1 .
> i. . 2 .
> i. . 1 .
> i. . 2 .
> i. . 1 .
> i. . 2 .
> i. . 1 .
> i. . 2 .
> i. . 1 .
> i. . 2 .
> i. . 1 .
> i. . 2 .
> i. . 1 .
>
> 
> 
>
>
>
>
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> csound" 

As soon as MacCsound is updated (maybe never?) -- or I can get one of  
the other front-ends to actually work (I'm still very new to all  
this, remember) -- I'll do just that.  As Cesare mentioned, there's  
at least one feature new to 5.07 that I want to use (cpsmidinn), so  
I'm definitely anxious to upgrade.  I'm sure I'll figure something  
out sooner or later.  Are the changes to 5 so drastic that I wouldn't  
be having these very same randomizing difficulties, though?


On Mar 8, 2008, at 02:36:29 AM CST, victor wrote:

> Csound 4.23 is not supported anymore. Please upgrade to
> Csound 5.
>
> Victor
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cortaigne" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:06 AM
> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Random Question
>
>
>> On Mar 7, 2008, at 11:05:38 PM CST, Art Hunkins wrote:
>>> When seed 0 is used in a .csd header, rand is initialized by the   
>>> system clock, and should give differing values for each  
>>> performance  or rendering. At least this is supposed to be the  
>>> case on all systems.
>>
>> That would be my understanding as well, based on what I've read  
>> in  the manual -- more or less, anyway.  The entry for seed says   
>> specifically, "rand, randh, randi, rnd(x) and birnd(x) are not   
>> affected by seed" -- but that shouldn't be an issue anyway, since  
>> I'm  using linrand.  Now, since the entry for seed also says it  
>> "Sets the  global seed value for all x-class noise generators...",  
>> and the entry  for linrand says, "This is an x-class noise  
>> generator," it would seem  to me that linrand should be affected  
>> by seed -- and indeed it seems  to be, when seed is included  
>> within the instrument.  However, having  moved seed out of the  
>> instrument and under the header, it seems to  have absolutely no  
>> effect on the linrand, as deleting the seed line  entirely will  
>> produce exactly the same sequence of output, namely:
>>
>> instr 1:  iBase = 4.393
>> instr 1:  iBase = 7.716
>> instr 1:  iBase = 4.293
>> instr 1:  iBase = 5.660
>> instr 1:  iBase = 3.117
>> instr 1:  iBase = 2.097
>> instr 1:  iBase = 6.931
>> instr 1:  iBase = 13.385
>> instr 1:  iBase = 16.162
>> instr 1:  iBase = 19.179
>> instr 1:  iBase = 3.798
>> instr 1:  iBase = 7.867
>> instr 1:  iBase = 8.673
>> instr 1:  iBase = 10.029
>> instr 1:  iBase = 15.169
>> instr 1:  iBase = 21.748
>>
>> If it makes a difference, I'm using MacCsound, which, according  
>> to  the same output log, uses "Csound Version 4.23f12 (Mar  9  
>> 2005)."   I'm very curious what sort of performance/rendering  
>> another system  would produce from the same CSD. Would someone  
>> please try to run  this?  The only other changes I've made are the  
>> tempo and the note  durations; giving it a shuffle makes the  
>> sequence easier to remember  from one performance/rendering to the  
>> next.
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> sr = 44100
>> kr = 4410
>> ksmps = 10
>> nchnls = 1
>>
>> seed 0
>>
>> instr 1
>>
>> ; Random Note Selector
>> iBase linrand 25
>> iNum = int(iBase)
>> iNote = (iNum/100) + 7
>>
>> ; Envelope
>> aEnv linen db(p4), (p3 / 3), p3, (p3 / 3)
>>
>> ; Output
>> aSig oscil aEnv, cpspch(iNote), 1
>> print iBase
>> print iNote
>> out aSig
>>
>> endin
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> f1 0 16384 10 1 0.618 0.382 0.236 0.146 0.090 0.056 0.034 0.021  
>> 0.013 0.008 0.005 0.003 0.002 0.001
>>
>> t 0 390
>>
>> i1 0 2 85
>> i. + 1 .
>> i. . 2 .
>> i. . 1 .
>> i. . 2 .
>> i. . 1 .
>> i. . 2 .
>> i. . 1 .
>> i. . 2 .
>> i. . 1 .
>> i. . 2 .
>> i. . 1 .
>> i. . 2 .
>> i. . 1 .
>> i. . 2 .
>> i. . 1 .
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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MacCsound works with Csound5. There shouldn't be a problem there.

Rory.





Cortaigne wrote:
> As soon as MacCsound is updated (maybe never?) -- or I can get one of 
> the other front-ends to actually work (I'm still very new to all this, 
> remember) -- I'll do just that.  As Cesare mentioned, there's at least 
> one feature new to 5.07 that I want to use (cpsmidinn), so I'm 
> definitely anxious to upgrade.  I'm sure I'll figure something out 
> sooner or later.  Are the changes to 5 so drastic that I wouldn't be 
> having these very same randomizing difficulties, though?
> 
> 
> On Mar 8, 2008, at 02:36:29 AM CST, victor wrote:
> 
>> Csound 4.23 is not supported anymore. Please upgrade to
>> Csound 5.
>>
>> Victor
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cortaigne" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:06 AM
>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Random Question
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2008, at 11:05:38 PM CST, Art Hunkins wrote:
>>>> When seed 0 is used in a .csd header, rand is initialized by the  
>>>> system clock, and should give differing values for each performance  
>>>> or rendering. At least this is supposed to be the case on all systems.
>>>
>>> That would be my understanding as well, based on what I've read in  
>>> the manual -- more or less, anyway.  The entry for seed says  
>>> specifically, "rand, randh, randi, rnd(x) and birnd(x) are not  
>>> affected by seed" -- but that shouldn't be an issue anyway, since 
>>> I'm  using linrand.  Now, since the entry for seed also says it "Sets 
>>> the  global seed value for all x-class noise generators...", and the 
>>> entry  for linrand says, "This is an x-class noise generator," it 
>>> would seem  to me that linrand should be affected by seed -- and 
>>> indeed it seems  to be, when seed is included within the instrument.  
>>> However, having  moved seed out of the instrument and under the 
>>> header, it seems to  have absolutely no effect on the linrand, as 
>>> deleting the seed line  entirely will produce exactly the same 
>>> sequence of output, namely:
>>>
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 4.393
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 7.716
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 4.293
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 5.660
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 3.117
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 2.097
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 6.931
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 13.385
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 16.162
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 19.179
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 3.798
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 7.867
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 8.673
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 10.029
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 15.169
>>> instr 1:  iBase = 21.748
>>>
>>> If it makes a difference, I'm using MacCsound, which, according to  
>>> the same output log, uses "Csound Version 4.23f12 (Mar  9 2005)."   
>>> I'm very curious what sort of performance/rendering another system  
>>> would produce from the same CSD. Would someone please try to run  
>>> this?  The only other changes I've made are the tempo and the note  
>>> durations; giving it a shuffle makes the sequence easier to remember  
>>> from one performance/rendering to the next.
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> sr = 44100
>>> kr = 4410
>>> ksmps = 10
>>> nchnls = 1
>>>
>>> seed 0
>>>
>>> instr 1
>>>
>>> ; Random Note Selector
>>> iBase linrand 25
>>> iNum = int(iBase)
>>> iNote = (iNum/100) + 7
>>>
>>> ; Envelope
>>> aEnv linen db(p4), (p3 / 3), p3, (p3 / 3)
>>>
>>> ; Output
>>> aSig oscil aEnv, cpspch(iNote), 1
>>> print iBase
>>> print iNote
>>> out aSig
>>>
>>> endin
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> f1 0 16384 10 1 0.618 0.382 0.236 0.146 0.090 0.056 0.034 0.021 0.013 
>>> 0.008 0.005 0.003 0.002 0.001
>>>
>>> t 0 390
>>>
>>> i1 0 2 85
>>> i. + 1 .
>>> i. . 2 .
>>> i. . 1 .
>>> i. . 2 .
>>> i. . 1 .
>>> i. . 2 .
>>> i. . 1 .
>>> i. . 2 .
>>> i. . 1 .
>>> i. . 2 .
>>> i. . 1 .
>>> i. . 2 .
>>> i. . 1 .
>>> i. . 2 .
>>> i. . 1 .
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Ah, it does?  Excellent!  I've just been using what it installed.   
I'll need to explore how to update when I get home from work.  It's  
going to be a long day -- I'm anxious to get it going.   >:)


On Mar 8, 2008, at 07:58:52 AM CST, Rory Walsh wrote:

> MacCsound works with Csound5. There shouldn't be a problem there.
>
> Rory.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cortaigne wrote:
>> As soon as MacCsound is updated (maybe never?) -- or I can get one  
>> of the other front-ends to actually work (I'm still very new to  
>> all this, remember) -- I'll do just that.  As Cesare mentioned,  
>> there's at least one feature new to 5.07 that I want to use  
>> (cpsmidinn), so I'm definitely anxious to upgrade.  I'm sure I'll  
>> figure something out sooner or later.  Are the changes to 5 so  
>> drastic that I wouldn't be having these very same randomizing  
>> difficulties, though?
>> On Mar 8, 2008, at 02:36:29 AM CST, victor wrote:
>>> Csound 4.23 is not supported anymore. Please upgrade to
>>> Csound 5.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cortaigne" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:06 AM
>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Random Question
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 7, 2008, at 11:05:38 PM CST, Art Hunkins wrote:
>>>>> When seed 0 is used in a .csd header, rand is initialized by  
>>>>> the  system clock, and should give differing values for each  
>>>>> performance  or rendering. At least this is supposed to be the  
>>>>> case on all systems.
>>>>
>>>> That would be my understanding as well, based on what I've read  
>>>> in  the manual -- more or less, anyway.  The entry for seed  
>>>> says  specifically, "rand, randh, randi, rnd(x) and birnd(x) are  
>>>> not  affected by seed" -- but that shouldn't be an issue anyway,  
>>>> since I'm  using linrand.  Now, since the entry for seed also  
>>>> says it "Sets the  global seed value for all x-class noise  
>>>> generators...", and the entry  for linrand says, "This is an x- 
>>>> class noise generator," it would seem  to me that linrand should  
>>>> be affected by seed -- and indeed it seems  to be, when seed is  
>>>> included within the instrument.  However, having  moved seed out  
>>>> of the instrument and under the header, it seems to  have  
>>>> absolutely no effect on the linrand, as deleting the seed line   
>>>> entirely will produce exactly the same sequence of output, namely:
>>>>
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 4.393
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 7.716
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 4.293
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 5.660
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 3.117
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 2.097
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 6.931
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 13.385
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 16.162
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 19.179
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 3.798
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 7.867
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 8.673
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 10.029
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 15.169
>>>> instr 1:  iBase = 21.748
>>>>
>>>> If it makes a difference, I'm using MacCsound, which, according  
>>>> to  the same output log, uses "Csound Version 4.23f12 (Mar  9  
>>>> 2005)."   I'm very curious what sort of performance/rendering  
>>>> another system  would produce from the same CSD. Would someone  
>>>> please try to run  this?  The only other changes I've made are  
>>>> the tempo and the note  durations; giving it a shuffle makes the  
>>>> sequence easier to remember  from one performance/rendering to  
>>>> the next.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> sr = 44100
>>>> kr = 4410
>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>> nchnls = 1
>>>>
>>>> seed 0
>>>>
>>>> instr 1
>>>>
>>>> ; Random Note Selector
>>>> iBase linrand 25
>>>> iNum = int(iBase)
>>>> iNote = (iNum/100) + 7
>>>>
>>>> ; Envelope
>>>> aEnv linen db(p4), (p3 / 3), p3, (p3 / 3)
>>>>
>>>> ; Output
>>>> aSig oscil aEnv, cpspch(iNote), 1
>>>> print iBase
>>>> print iNote
>>>> out aSig
>>>>
>>>> endin
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> f1 0 16384 10 1 0.618 0.382 0.236 0.146 0.090 0.056 0.034 0.021  
>>>> 0.013 0.008 0.005 0.003 0.002 0.001
>>>>
>>>> t 0 390
>>>>
>>>> i1 0 2 85
>>>> i. + 1 .
>>>> i. . 2 .
>>>> i. . 1 .
>>>> i. . 2 .
>>>> i. . 1 .
>>>> i. . 2 .
>>>> i. . 1 .
>>>> i. . 2 .
>>>> i. . 1 .
>>>> i. . 2 .
>>>> i. . 1 .
>>>> i. . 2 .
>>>> i. . 1 .
>>>> i. . 2 .
>>>> i. . 1 .
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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