hello list,


I'm glad to introduce Surmulot, the integration of all my code for 
musical composition:
http://www.zogotounga.net/surmulot/surmulot.html


Csound-x users on Windows are encouraged to download the 80 Mb archive at
http://www.zogotounga.net/surmulot/surmulot.zip

When unzipped, you will have Emacs with Csound-x along with µO for 
Squeak, Csound, Timidity and a few other apps all integrated by scripts 
and TCP/IP and ready to use. No change is made to the registry, no 
installation is required, no environment variable is touched.

Double-click "start emacs.bat" and Emacs should open with a welcome 
buffer from where several links will help you navigate in the system.

Try the two following demos:

"CSD composition with embedded MIDI"
and
"CSD composition with graphical envelope editing"

... they will show you how to edit musical data right into csound-x via 
graphical morphic GUIs.


This version of Surmulot can be considered a pre-release, and as always 
feedback is warmly welcome !


Stef

> Could you provide links to some of your music ?

You beat me to it, I was just about to ask that very question!

Rory.


> very best
> Oeyvind
> 
> 2008/3/14, Stéphane Rollandin :
>> hello list,
>>
>>
>> I'm glad to introduce Surmulot, the integration of all my code for
>> musical composition:
>> http://www.zogotounga.net/surmulot/surmulot.html
>>
>>
>> Csound-x users on Windows are encouraged to download the 80 Mb archive at
>> http://www.zogotounga.net/surmulot/surmulot.zip
>>
>> When unzipped, you will have Emacs with Csound-x along with µO for
>> Squeak, Csound, Timidity and a few other apps all integrated by scripts
>> and TCP/IP and ready to use. No change is made to the registry, no
>> installation is required, no environment variable is touched.
>>
>> Double-click "start emacs.bat" and Emacs should open with a welcome
>> buffer from where several links will help you navigate in the system.
>>
>> Try the two following demos:
>>
>> "CSD composition with embedded MIDI"
>> and
>> "CSD composition with graphical envelope editing"
>>
>> ... they will show you how to edit musical data right into csound-x via
>> graphical morphic GUIs.
>>
>>
>> This version of Surmulot can be considered a pre-release, and as always
>> feedback is warmly welcome !
>>
>>
>> Stef
>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to this list.
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

>> Could you provide links to some of your music ?
> 
> You beat me to it, I was just about to ask that very question!

you guys have not read my presentation :)

see in http://www.zogotounga.net/surmulot/surmulot.html, there are links 
to projection-based music...

maybe the more striking as far as pure algorithmic composition is 
concerned are the piano compositions in 
http://www.zogotounga.net/TGG/variations.htm
all pieces there are direct projections of the structure displayed at 
the bottom of the page. no post-editing at all. and all those pieces are 
different projections of the very same data !

(all of my music is there btw: http://www.zogotounga.net/TGG/TGG.htm, 
but techniques varies; as you will see, nothing new... maybe in 2008 ?)

To see projections in action, see the µO documentation:

in surmulot, do "start muO.bat": you will get a Squeak window with a "µO 
menu" button. click there and from the submenu "live documentation" 
follow "documentation -> principles -> Projection and Distortion" and 
also "documentation -> reference -> the Line projector"


if you find these pieces of documentation unclear, please tell me. and 
feel free to ask any question... I have to write some more documentation 
anyway.


regards,

Stef

Oeyvind Brandtsegg a écrit :
> I do understand the concept of projection, and I find it interesting,
> even though I haven't managed to connect it to how I think about
> music.
> I would like to learn more about how it could possibly sound.

there is also this page from the GeoMaestro doc pages:
http://www.zogotounga.net/GM/compos/GMmusic.html

it explains how where made the compositions in 
http://www.zogotounga.net/TGG/condiments.htm


Stef

Bonjour Stéphane,

I will write it in English since the majority of our list members are 
english speaking... I've been using your softwares (µO and GeoMaestro) for 
many years now but you have surpassed yourself with Surmulot which is an 
intelligent and quite efficient integration of some of the finest pieces 
available for making music...I really enjoyed playing with it and I cannot 
urge you to continue to share with us your fantactic works...

Mille mercis,

/mdd

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From: "Stéphane Rollandin" 
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 6:43 PM
To: 
Subject: [Csnd] [ANNOUNCE] first public release of Surmulot for Windows

> hello list,
>
>
> I'm glad to introduce Surmulot, the integration of all my code for musical 
> composition:
> http://www.zogotounga.net/surmulot/surmulot.html
>
>
> Csound-x users on Windows are encouraged to download the 80 Mb archive at
> http://www.zogotounga.net/surmulot/surmulot.zip
>
> When unzipped, you will have Emacs with Csound-x along with µO for Squeak, 
> Csound, Timidity and a few other apps all integrated by scripts and TCP/IP 
> and ready to use. No change is made to the registry, no installation is 
> required, no environment variable is touched.
>
> Double-click "start emacs.bat" and Emacs should open with a welcome buffer 
> from where several links will help you navigate in the system.
>
> Try the two following demos:
>
> "CSD composition with embedded MIDI"
> and
> "CSD composition with graphical envelope editing"
>
> ... they will show you how to edit musical data right into csound-x via 
> graphical morphic GUIs.
>
>
> This version of Surmulot can be considered a pre-release, and as always 
> feedback is warmly welcome !
>
>
> Stef
>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe 
> csound"
> 

Bingo, I didn't see it there first time around. This sounds terrible but 
I skipped over the motivation part and went straight for the technical 
details! Thanks for sharing.

Rory.


Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg a écrit :
>> I do understand the concept of projection, and I find it interesting,
>> even though I haven't managed to connect it to how I think about
>> music.
>> I would like to learn more about how it could possibly sound.
> 
> there is also this page from the GeoMaestro doc pages:
> http://www.zogotounga.net/GM/compos/GMmusic.html
> 
> it explains how where made the compositions in 
> http://www.zogotounga.net/TGG/condiments.htm
> 
> 
> Stef
> 
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to this list.
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe 
> csound"
> 

je suis très touché, merci

Stef

We should really have more French on the list!

Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
> je suis très touché, merci
> 
> Stef
> 
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to this list.
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe 
> csound"
> 

Marc Demers wrote:
> ...I really enjoyed playing with it and I cannot urge you to continue 
> to share with us your fantactic works...
I'm reasonably certain that you meant something different than that. ;-)


Stephane, is Surmulot available for Linux as well ?

Best,

dp

I have to test it, I'm pretty certain there should be some bugs (no show 
stopper though). By themselves Csound-x and µO should work fine on 
Linux; trouble could possibly arise when trying to interface them with 
other softs.

For now I have a virtual Ubuntu 7.10 on my Vista system, and as soon as 
I have the energy to dig into Linux again I'll try to set-up Surmulot 
there, see how it goes and see how I can package it for release. I guess 
it does not make sense to distribute Emacs for example.

At the moment what you can do (beside installing all the Surmulot 
components separately and glue them by yourself, but before you can do 
so I have to write down the instructions in the web page), what you can 
do then is install Windows XP as a guest OS in virtualbox and use the 
Surmulot for Windows there.

I'll keep you informed; maybe next week...

regards,

Stef

Hi Stéphane,

I'd like your music, and even more your pictures! They're really 
absolutely great!

Thanks for sharing.

Ludo

Stéphane Rollandin wrote:
> 
>>> Could you provide links to some of your music ?
>>
>> You beat me to it, I was just about to ask that very question!
> 
> you guys have not read my presentation :)
> 
> see in http://www.zogotounga.net/surmulot/surmulot.html, there are links 
> to projection-based music...
> 

Oeyvind Brandtsegg a écrit :
> I found the piano compositions very interesting,
> and they sound very "geometric". This is probably obvious now that I
> know how they were made, but I think I would perceive them as
> geometric even if I did not know. I'm not totally sure what I mean by
> "geometric" though, but it's like the compositions have this unifying
> "thing" about them.

yes, there is some fuzzy holistic quality coming from the fact that 
melody and rythm are the result of unfolding a compact structure.

what is missing now is going beyond a single unfolding and composing 
with different projection set-ups for one piece. but assembling 
different set-ups together meaningfully is not trivial and I have the 
feeling some conceptual tools are missing. I guess I should do less 
programming and more music...

Stef