Soon... I will notify this list.

Regards,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Caecos 
>Sent: Mar 25, 2008 9:01 AM
>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Csound Music Archive
>
>Hi Michael,
>
>Sorry to be out of context...Is CoundVST soon to be available? I use Csound 
>Ghost Writer and CsoundVST is needed in other to play in real time...
>
>Regards to all and sorry again to be out of order,
>
>/mdd
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Michael Gogins" 
>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:35 AM
>To: 
>Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Csound Music Archive
>
>> I'm sorry, because I'm capable of doing this, but it can't be me. Like an 
>> idiot, I keep trying to compose, and will keep on trying. For me, Csound 
>> and CsoundAC, supplemented by commercial software and perhaps GraceCL, do 
>> the job.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Art Hunkins 
>>>Sent: Mar 24, 2008 10:00 PM
>>>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Csound Music Archive
>>>
>>>Mike,
>>>
>>>This all sounds great too.
>>>
>>>I wonder who there'd be to undertake such projects?
>>>
>>>Art Hunkins
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Michael Gogins" 
>>>To: 
>>>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:30 PM
>>>Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Csound Music Archive
>>>
>>>
>>>> What I am looking for, but have not yet found, is something like this:
>>>>
>>>> Underneath it all, is code  that makes both scores and sounds. The code
>>>> makes the entire piece.
>>>>
>>>> This code is written in some already widely known and easy to learn
>>>> language such as Python, Lua, or Scheme.
>>>>
>>>> You can just write this code in a text editor if you want and run it, or
>>>> you can use a specialized editor.
>>>>
>>>> I would like to see the following specialized editors:
>>>>
>>>> Piano roll for objects that contain sequences of musical events.
>>>>
>>>> Standard notation for objects that contain sequences of musical events.
>>>>
>>>> Waveform for objects that contain samples.
>>>>
>>>> Time/frequency for objects that contain samples.
>>>>
>>>> Mixing console for objects that contain busses and effects such as
>>>> filters, reverbs, and such.
>>>>
>>>> "Wiring diagram" a la Reaktor or Max for objects that contain graphs of
>>>> unit generators. Such wiring diagrams could generator scores as well as
>>>> sounds.
>>>>
>>>> A high-level block diagram would show the entire piece. Different 
>>>> diagrams
>>>> for different kinds of pieces. A piece that is just a sound recording
>>>> would be a block containing a soundfile object. A piece that is a 
>>>> software
>>>> instrument that is played by a sequence would be two blocks, one for the
>>>> sequence one for the synthesizer. You could open up the synthesizer to
>>>> edit it either as code, or as a graph of little boxes (unit generators).
>>>>
>>>> The heart of this system would be rules for transforming code into GUI
>>>> patches and vice versa. Any box or widget you click on could be edited 
>>>> as
>>>> code.
>>>>
>>>> Instead of a text file like Max for patches or a binary file like 
>>>> Reason,
>>>> when you save a piece it will save as code. Soundfiles, impulse 
>>>> responses,
>>>> samples, and such would go into a 'resource' directory containing files
>>>> pointed to by the objects in the code.
>>>>
>>>> blue, Max, Kyma, Reaktor, Eclipse, Buzz, and of course GUI builders for
>>>> graphical user interface development point the way. Each object would 
>>>> have
>>>> typed inlets, typed outlets, visible/invisible properties with widget
>>>> attachments, and layout hints.
>>>>
>>>> By "code" however I do NOT mean XML. I mean code. Perhaps the code has 
>>>> to
>>>> have 'annotations' to enable the GUI layer to present the objects as
>>>> widgets.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Jim Aikin" 
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:05 PM
>>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Csound Music Archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> from Michael Rhoades:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Really... the only limitation with Csound is your own imagination.
>>>>>> Though I work almost exclusively with spreadsheets on the score
>>>>>> synthesis aspects of composing, being the anal retentive person I
>>>>>> am, there are nearly infinite other ways you can work with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The idea is to find your own way(s) to make beautiful music in
>>>>>> whatever manner works for you... that is the beauty of Csound,
>>>>>> everyone who uses it to compose does so in a manner unique to
>>>>>> their own sensibilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last time I tried using Csound, a couple of years ago, I ended up
>>>>> mentioning to Dr. B that I thought that tag line (about the only
>>>>> limitation being your imagination) ought to be amended to read, "The 
>>>>> only
>>>>> limitation with Csound is your own patience." Imagination I have plenty
>>>>> of; patience is sometimes in short supply, and composing music in a 
>>>>> text
>>>>> editor will tend to push it to the limit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say, "there are nearly
>>>>> infinite other ways you can work with it." If I want to draw on paper
>>>>> using crayons, scan the drawings, and then ... no, that probably isn't
>>>>> going to get me anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> I actually got a couple of notes out of blue this afternoon, while
>>>>> sitting at the coffee shop with old Bob Dylan tracks on the P.A. system
>>>>> leaking in through the headphones. blue seems to offer some real 
>>>>> promise
>>>>> as a front end, and I'm looking forward to exploring it. But I think 
>>>>> even
>>>>> Steven would probably agree that it falls well short of "infinite."
>>>>>
>>>>> If I were 20 years old and had nothing to do but sit around the dorm 
>>>>> room
>>>>> until 4 in the morning writing C++ code for Linux, I would be able to 
>>>>> get
>>>>> incrementally closer to "infinite." I could even write a program to
>>>>> translate those scanned crayon drawings into .sco files. But as a
>>>>> practical matter, I have too many other things I'd like to be doing, 
>>>>> and
>>>>> not enough hours in the week to do them all. So I have to rely on other
>>>>> people to devise cool tools.
>>>>>
>>>>> Part of my role as journalist/gadfly is to whine when the existing 
>>>>> tools
>>>>> give me headaches. I sometimes forget to reassure people that it's 
>>>>> _not_
>>>>> that I think the existing tool -- in this case, Csound -- is bad or
>>>>> deficient! It's just that I'm hoping for a level of user-friendliness
>>>>> that I think is probably achievable, but that is not yet implemented.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Jim Aikin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body 
>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>> csound"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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A thousand thanks,

/mdd

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Michael Gogins" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:19 AM
To: 
Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Csound Music Archive

> Soon... I will notify this list.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Caecos 
>>Sent: Mar 25, 2008 9:01 AM
>>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Csound Music Archive
>>
>>Hi Michael,
>>
>>Sorry to be out of context...Is CoundVST soon to be available? I use 
>>Csound
>>Ghost Writer and CsoundVST is needed in other to play in real time...
>>
>>Regards to all and sorry again to be out of order,
>>
>>/mdd
>>
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>From: "Michael Gogins" 
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:35 AM
>>To: 
>>Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Csound Music Archive
>>
>>> I'm sorry, because I'm capable of doing this, but it can't be me. Like 
>>> an
>>> idiot, I keep trying to compose, and will keep on trying. For me, Csound
>>> and CsoundAC, supplemented by commercial software and perhaps GraceCL, 
>>> do
>>> the job.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Art Hunkins 
>>>>Sent: Mar 24, 2008 10:00 PM
>>>>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>>Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Csound Music Archive
>>>>
>>>>Mike,
>>>>
>>>>This all sounds great too.
>>>>
>>>>I wonder who there'd be to undertake such projects?
>>>>
>>>>Art Hunkins
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: "Michael Gogins" 
>>>>To: 
>>>>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:30 PM
>>>>Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Csound Music Archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What I am looking for, but have not yet found, is something like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> Underneath it all, is code  that makes both scores and sounds. The 
>>>>> code
>>>>> makes the entire piece.
>>>>>
>>>>> This code is written in some already widely known and easy to learn
>>>>> language such as Python, Lua, or Scheme.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can just write this code in a text editor if you want and run it, 
>>>>> or
>>>>> you can use a specialized editor.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to see the following specialized editors:
>>>>>
>>>>> Piano roll for objects that contain sequences of musical events.
>>>>>
>>>>> Standard notation for objects that contain sequences of musical 
>>>>> events.
>>>>>
>>>>> Waveform for objects that contain samples.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time/frequency for objects that contain samples.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mixing console for objects that contain busses and effects such as
>>>>> filters, reverbs, and such.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Wiring diagram" a la Reaktor or Max for objects that contain graphs 
>>>>> of
>>>>> unit generators. Such wiring diagrams could generator scores as well 
>>>>> as
>>>>> sounds.
>>>>>
>>>>> A high-level block diagram would show the entire piece. Different
>>>>> diagrams
>>>>> for different kinds of pieces. A piece that is just a sound recording
>>>>> would be a block containing a soundfile object. A piece that is a
>>>>> software
>>>>> instrument that is played by a sequence would be two blocks, one for 
>>>>> the
>>>>> sequence one for the synthesizer. You could open up the synthesizer to
>>>>> edit it either as code, or as a graph of little boxes (unit 
>>>>> generators).
>>>>>
>>>>> The heart of this system would be rules for transforming code into GUI
>>>>> patches and vice versa. Any box or widget you click on could be edited
>>>>> as
>>>>> code.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of a text file like Max for patches or a binary file like
>>>>> Reason,
>>>>> when you save a piece it will save as code. Soundfiles, impulse
>>>>> responses,
>>>>> samples, and such would go into a 'resource' directory containing 
>>>>> files
>>>>> pointed to by the objects in the code.
>>>>>
>>>>> blue, Max, Kyma, Reaktor, Eclipse, Buzz, and of course GUI builders 
>>>>> for
>>>>> graphical user interface development point the way. Each object would
>>>>> have
>>>>> typed inlets, typed outlets, visible/invisible properties with widget
>>>>> attachments, and layout hints.
>>>>>
>>>>> By "code" however I do NOT mean XML. I mean code. Perhaps the code has
>>>>> to
>>>>> have 'annotations' to enable the GUI layer to present the objects as
>>>>> widgets.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Jim Aikin" 
>>>>> To: 
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:05 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Csound Music Archive
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> from Michael Rhoades:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really... the only limitation with Csound is your own imagination.
>>>>>>> Though I work almost exclusively with spreadsheets on the score
>>>>>>> synthesis aspects of composing, being the anal retentive person I
>>>>>>> am, there are nearly infinite other ways you can work with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The idea is to find your own way(s) to make beautiful music in
>>>>>>> whatever manner works for you... that is the beauty of Csound,
>>>>>>> everyone who uses it to compose does so in a manner unique to
>>>>>>> their own sensibilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last time I tried using Csound, a couple of years ago, I ended up
>>>>>> mentioning to Dr. B that I thought that tag line (about the only
>>>>>> limitation being your imagination) ought to be amended to read, "The
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> limitation with Csound is your own patience." Imagination I have 
>>>>>> plenty
>>>>>> of; patience is sometimes in short supply, and composing music in a
>>>>>> text
>>>>>> editor will tend to push it to the limit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say, "there are nearly
>>>>>> infinite other ways you can work with it." If I want to draw on paper
>>>>>> using crayons, scan the drawings, and then ... no, that probably 
>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>> going to get me anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I actually got a couple of notes out of blue this afternoon, while
>>>>>> sitting at the coffee shop with old Bob Dylan tracks on the P.A. 
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> leaking in through the headphones. blue seems to offer some real
>>>>>> promise
>>>>>> as a front end, and I'm looking forward to exploring it. But I think
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> Steven would probably agree that it falls well short of "infinite."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I were 20 years old and had nothing to do but sit around the dorm
>>>>>> room
>>>>>> until 4 in the morning writing C++ code for Linux, I would be able to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> incrementally closer to "infinite." I could even write a program to
>>>>>> translate those scanned crayon drawings into .sco files. But as a
>>>>>> practical matter, I have too many other things I'd like to be doing,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> not enough hours in the week to do them all. So I have to rely on 
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> people to devise cool tools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Part of my role as journalist/gadfly is to whine when the existing
>>>>>> tools
>>>>>> give me headaches. I sometimes forget to reassure people that it's
>>>>>> _not_
>>>>>> that I think the existing tool -- in this case, Csound -- is bad or
>>>>>> deficient! It's just that I'm hoping for a level of user-friendliness
>>>>>> that I think is probably achievable, but that is not yet implemented.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Jim Aikin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>> csound"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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