I believe that under "fair use" it is OK (but IAMNAL) for researchers and programmers to play around with patented algorithms privately, as long as they don't sell what they come up with without a license.

I know that in the United States many people are using patented algorithms with non-licensed software to create music for sale. I think most people making music with Perry Cook's Synthesis Toolkit in C++ or Csound are in this boat. Me, for example. 

The patent laws have not been tested, to my knowledge (but IAMNAL), with respect to people like me selling music (instead of software) created with unlicensed algorithms.

Regards,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Joseph Sanger 
>Sent: Mar 25, 2008 12:54 AM
>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>Subject: [Csnd] Re:  Re: maybe OT- patents etc
>
>Konnichiwa Partev,
>
>Thanks for the information! And it's always nice to hear from an 
>American Anglophile... You made me feel quite homesick...
>
>I have stumbled across some of Julius O. Smith's bits and pieces on the 
>web and I intend to look more closely - I really need to get my head 
>around some of the deeper thoery of PM, I'm still barely scratching the 
>surface playing around with delay lines and filters based on the chapter 
>in the Csound book. I have no background at all which is of any use, 
>unfortunately, apart from having played acoustic instruments!
>
>I don't think I'll worry about treading on people's IP toes for the time 
>being, it was an academic question really. I'm interested to see 
>how/whether these patenting laws actually affect people who are 
>composing and selling music (as opposed to making software or hardware).
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Joe
>
>  Partev Barr Sarkissian wrote:
>> There are some international treaties and laws within individual countries 
>> relating to copyrights, patents and such, aka- Intellectual Property (IP) Rights.
>> Here in America, checking on those things on the PTO (Patents & Trademraks Office)
>> and the LOC (Library of Congress) for Copyrights (computer programs, lines 
>> of code, printed circuit boards and such). 
>> 
>> It's a matter of being aware about what's out there and whose IP toes you 
>> might be stepping on.
>> 
>> In the U.K., wouldn't the Home Office deal with Intellectual Property (IP) Rights?
>> Or the TSO (UK version of America's Gov Printing Office)?
>> 
>> Julius O. Smith, has some great web pages on the subject of wavguide & physical modeling 
>> research and info. Check it out, I think he's still at Stanford University,
>> http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/wg.html.
>> 
>> I used to deal with microwave communication waveguides, so the jump to acoustic 
>> waveguide concepts, so I got of to some kind of start on it. Still plenty to learn. 
>> 
>> BTW- London, love hanging out there, Chelsea and Sloane Square, trekkin' the KR (Kings Road)
>> and I love that West End theatre scene. Can't get enough of it. Can't wait to get back there.
>> You lucky Brit.
>> 
>> Matte ne (Japanese for "until later"),
>> - Partev
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> --- joseph.sanger@virgin.net wrote:
>> 
>> From: Joseph Sanger 
>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re:  maybe OT - patents etc
>> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:42:39 +0900
>> 
>> Aha! That's interesting.
>> 
>> I'm a Brit living in Japan. I wonder how that applies to me!
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> nikos roussos wrote:
>>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:34:03 -0700
>>> " Partev Barr Sarkissian"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't create a product using Physical Modeling unless,
>>>> you can create an algorithm that won't infringe the afore mentioned patents.
>>> fortunately, algorithm patents do not apply on europe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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