A friend sent me this link

  http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/11/153205

It shows that modern youth actually prefer poor quality audio.

==John ffitch

It makes sense to me that Hi-Fi is a cultural phenomenon. It seems
to belong in the continuum of simplicity-complexity as much as other
elements of musical discourse.

Victor
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jpff" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:54 AM
Subject: [Csnd] [OT] Are we wasting our time?


>A friend sent me this link
>
>  http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/11/153205
>
> It shows that modern youth actually prefer poor quality audio.
>
> ==John ffitch
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
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> csound" 

It's also not that new a phenomenon. One thinks back to the often 
sonically and electrically terrible quasi-portable record players with 
cartridges lethal to vinyl, on which "teenagers' listened to  the latest 
  singles. Then  the portable 'transistor' came along, with a useless 
one-inch speaker, followed by the gehtto-blaster with useless four-inch 
speakers.  With the emergence of earphone listening with the Walkman, 
carried over to the current mp3 generations, to say nothing of +100dB 
live gigs, there is a real danger that even young ears are being damaged 
such that anything without that sizzle sounds dead. Issues of audio 
fidelity were never and are nowhere taught in schools or colleges, it is 
all  picked up on the street. The nearest you get to such a thing is the 
  specialized obsession with "hifi" in the car (with useless 12-inch 
speakers).

Richard Dobson


victor wrote:
> It makes sense to me that Hi-Fi is a cultural phenomenon. It seems
> to belong in the continuum of simplicity-complexity as much as other
> elements of musical discourse.
> 
> Victor
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jpff" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:54 AM
> Subject: [Csnd] [OT] Are we wasting our time?
> 
> 
>> A friend sent me this link
>>
>>  http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/11/153205
>>
>> It shows that modern youth actually prefer poor quality audio.
>>

yes, I always wonder whether we are on the brink of a wave of
early-onset age-related deafness.

Victor
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Dobson" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:28 AM
Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: [OT] Are we wasting our time?


> It's also not that new a phenomenon. One thinks back to the often 
> sonically and electrically terrible quasi-portable record players with 
> cartridges lethal to vinyl, on which "teenagers' listened to  the latest 
> singles. Then  the portable 'transistor' came along, with a useless 
> one-inch speaker, followed by the gehtto-blaster with useless four-inch 
> speakers.  With the emergence of earphone listening with the Walkman, 
> carried over to the current mp3 generations, to say nothing of +100dB live 
> gigs, there is a real danger that even young ears are being damaged such 
> that anything without that sizzle sounds dead. Issues of audio fidelity 
> were never and are nowhere taught in schools or colleges, it is all 
> picked up on the street. The nearest you get to such a thing is the 
> specialized obsession with "hifi" in the car (with useless 12-inch 
> speakers).
>
> Richard Dobson
>
>
> victor wrote:
>> It makes sense to me that Hi-Fi is a cultural phenomenon. It seems
>> to belong in the continuum of simplicity-complexity as much as other
>> elements of musical discourse.
>>
>> Victor
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jpff" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:54 AM
>> Subject: [Csnd] [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>>
>>
>>> A friend sent me this link
>>>
>>>  http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/11/153205
>>>
>>> It shows that modern youth actually prefer poor quality audio.
>>>
>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
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> csound" 

I'm sure that deafness is increasing. Too many people here in New York
with earbuds on the subway, where it is already too loud.

About preference for MP3s, it is much easier to make a sizzling MP3
from a high-resolution soundfile than the other way round. No need to
modify my workflow!

Regards,
Mike

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:38 AM, victor  wrote:
> yes, I always wonder whether we are on the brink of a wave of
> early-onset age-related deafness.
>
> Victor
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Dobson"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:28 AM
> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>
>
>> It's also not that new a phenomenon. One thinks back to the often
>> sonically and electrically terrible quasi-portable record players with
>> cartridges lethal to vinyl, on which "teenagers' listened to  the latest
>> singles. Then  the portable 'transistor' came along, with a useless one-inch
>> speaker, followed by the gehtto-blaster with useless four-inch speakers.
>>  With the emergence of earphone listening with the Walkman, carried over to
>> the current mp3 generations, to say nothing of +100dB live gigs, there is a
>> real danger that even young ears are being damaged such that anything
>> without that sizzle sounds dead. Issues of audio fidelity were never and are
>> nowhere taught in schools or colleges, it is all picked up on the street.
>> The nearest you get to such a thing is the specialized obsession with "hifi"
>> in the car (with useless 12-inch speakers).
>>
>> Richard Dobson
>>
>>
>> victor wrote:
>>>
>>> It makes sense to me that Hi-Fi is a cultural phenomenon. It seems
>>> to belong in the continuum of simplicity-complexity as much as other
>>> elements of musical discourse.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jpff" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:54 AM
>>> Subject: [Csnd] [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>>>
>>>
>>>> A friend sent me this link
>>>>
>>>>  http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/11/153205
>>>>
>>>> It shows that modern youth actually prefer poor quality audio.
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> csound"
>
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Irreducible Productions
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com

I'm putting together a CD compilation that includes a producer who has  
flat-out refused to give me a lossless audio file. He bounces directly  
to mp3 because he "likes the way it sounds." lol

JvA
----------
http://music.jonathanvanatom.com
http://www.myspace.com/vanatom
cyberiam@yahoo.com




On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:

> I'm sure that deafness is increasing. Too many people here in New York
> with earbuds on the subway, where it is already too loud.
>
> About preference for MP3s, it is much easier to make a sizzling MP3
> from a high-resolution soundfile than the other way round. No need to
> modify my workflow!
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:38 AM, victor   
> wrote:
>> yes, I always wonder whether we are on the brink of a wave of
>> early-onset age-related deafness.
>>
>> Victor
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Dobson"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:28 AM
>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>>
>>
>>> It's also not that new a phenomenon. One thinks back to the often
>>> sonically and electrically terrible quasi-portable record players  
>>> with
>>> cartridges lethal to vinyl, on which "teenagers' listened to  the  
>>> latest
>>> singles. Then  the portable 'transistor' came along, with a  
>>> useless one-inch
>>> speaker, followed by the gehtto-blaster with useless four-inch  
>>> speakers.
>>>  With the emergence of earphone listening with the Walkman,  
>>> carried over to
>>> the current mp3 generations, to say nothing of +100dB live gigs,  
>>> there is a
>>> real danger that even young ears are being damaged such that  
>>> anything
>>> without that sizzle sounds dead. Issues of audio fidelity were  
>>> never and are
>>> nowhere taught in schools or colleges, it is all picked up on the  
>>> street.
>>> The nearest you get to such a thing is the specialized obsession  
>>> with "hifi"
>>> in the car (with useless 12-inch speakers).
>>>
>>> Richard Dobson
>>>
>>>
>>> victor wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It makes sense to me that Hi-Fi is a cultural phenomenon. It seems
>>>> to belong in the continuum of simplicity-complexity as much as  
>>>> other
>>>> elements of musical discourse.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jpff" 
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:54 AM
>>>> Subject: [Csnd] [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> A friend sent me this link
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/11/153205
>>>>>
>>>>> It shows that modern youth actually prefer poor quality audio.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body  
>>> "unsubscribe
>>> csound"
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> -- 
> Michael Gogins
> Irreducible Productions
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
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ok, but why do we judge the value of things according to whether
"young people" like them???????

Nye

2009/3/12 Jonathan vanAtom :
> I'm putting together a CD compilation that includes a producer who has
> flat-out refused to give me a lossless audio file. He bounces directly to
> mp3 because he "likes the way it sounds." lol
>
> JvA
> ----------
> http://music.jonathanvanatom.com
> http://www.myspace.com/vanatom
> cyberiam@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:
>
>> I'm sure that deafness is increasing. Too many people here in New York
>> with earbuds on the subway, where it is already too loud.
>>
>> About preference for MP3s, it is much easier to make a sizzling MP3
>> from a high-resolution soundfile than the other way round. No need to
>> modify my workflow!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:38 AM, victor  wrote:
>>>
>>> yes, I always wonder whether we are on the brink of a wave of
>>> early-onset age-related deafness.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Dobson"
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:28 AM
>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's also not that new a phenomenon. One thinks back to the often
>>>> sonically and electrically terrible quasi-portable record players with
>>>> cartridges lethal to vinyl, on which "teenagers' listened to  the latest
>>>> singles. Then  the portable 'transistor' came along, with a useless
>>>> one-inch
>>>> speaker, followed by the gehtto-blaster with useless four-inch speakers.
>>>>  With the emergence of earphone listening with the Walkman, carried over
>>>> to
>>>> the current mp3 generations, to say nothing of +100dB live gigs, there
>>>> is a
>>>> real danger that even young ears are being damaged such that anything
>>>> without that sizzle sounds dead. Issues of audio fidelity were never and
>>>> are
>>>> nowhere taught in schools or colleges, it is all picked up on the
>>>> street.
>>>> The nearest you get to such a thing is the specialized obsession with
>>>> "hifi"
>>>> in the car (with useless 12-inch speakers).
>>>>
>>>> Richard Dobson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> victor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It makes sense to me that Hi-Fi is a cultural phenomenon. It seems
>>>>> to belong in the continuum of simplicity-complexity as much as other
>>>>> elements of musical discourse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jpff" 
>>>>> To: 
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:54 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Csnd] [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> A friend sent me this link
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/11/153205
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It shows that modern youth actually prefer poor quality audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>> csound"
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Irreducible Productions
>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>
>>
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Were you born already age 30?

Regards,
Mike

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Nye Parry  wrote:
> ok, but why do we judge the value of things according to whether
> "young people" like them???????
>
> Nye
>
> 2009/3/12 Jonathan vanAtom :
>> I'm putting together a CD compilation that includes a producer who has
>> flat-out refused to give me a lossless audio file. He bounces directly to
>> mp3 because he "likes the way it sounds." lol
>>
>> JvA
>> ----------
>> http://music.jonathanvanatom.com
>> http://www.myspace.com/vanatom
>> cyberiam@yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure that deafness is increasing. Too many people here in New York
>>> with earbuds on the subway, where it is already too loud.
>>>
>>> About preference for MP3s, it is much easier to make a sizzling MP3
>>> from a high-resolution soundfile than the other way round. No need to
>>> modify my workflow!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:38 AM, victor  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> yes, I always wonder whether we are on the brink of a wave of
>>>> early-onset age-related deafness.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Dobson"
>>>> 
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:28 AM
>>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's also not that new a phenomenon. One thinks back to the often
>>>>> sonically and electrically terrible quasi-portable record players with
>>>>> cartridges lethal to vinyl, on which "teenagers' listened to  the latest
>>>>> singles. Then  the portable 'transistor' came along, with a useless
>>>>> one-inch
>>>>> speaker, followed by the gehtto-blaster with useless four-inch speakers.
>>>>>  With the emergence of earphone listening with the Walkman, carried over
>>>>> to
>>>>> the current mp3 generations, to say nothing of +100dB live gigs, there
>>>>> is a
>>>>> real danger that even young ears are being damaged such that anything
>>>>> without that sizzle sounds dead. Issues of audio fidelity were never and
>>>>> are
>>>>> nowhere taught in schools or colleges, it is all picked up on the
>>>>> street.
>>>>> The nearest you get to such a thing is the specialized obsession with
>>>>> "hifi"
>>>>> in the car (with useless 12-inch speakers).
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Dobson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> victor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It makes sense to me that Hi-Fi is a cultural phenomenon. It seems
>>>>>> to belong in the continuum of simplicity-complexity as much as other
>>>>>> elements of musical discourse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jpff" 
>>>>>> To: 
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:54 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Csnd] [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A friend sent me this link
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/11/153205
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It shows that modern youth actually prefer poor quality audio.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
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>>>>> csound"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Irreducible Productions
>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>
>>>
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Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com

"bounce directly" =)

Cheers,
Andrés

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan vanAtom  wrote:
> I'm putting together a CD compilation that includes a producer who has
> flat-out refused to give me a lossless audio file. He bounces directly to
> mp3 because he "likes the way it sounds." lol
>
> JvA
> ----------
> http://music.jonathanvanatom.com
> http://www.myspace.com/vanatom
> cyberiam@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:
>
>> I'm sure that deafness is increasing. Too many people here in New York
>> with earbuds on the subway, where it is already too loud.
>>
>> About preference for MP3s, it is much easier to make a sizzling MP3
>> from a high-resolution soundfile than the other way round. No need to
>> modify my workflow!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:38 AM, victor  wrote:
>>>
>>> yes, I always wonder whether we are on the brink of a wave of
>>> early-onset age-related deafness.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Dobson"
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:28 AM
>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's also not that new a phenomenon. One thinks back to the often
>>>> sonically and electrically terrible quasi-portable record players with
>>>> cartridges lethal to vinyl, on which "teenagers' listened to  the latest
>>>> singles. Then  the portable 'transistor' came along, with a useless
>>>> one-inch
>>>> speaker, followed by the gehtto-blaster with useless four-inch speakers.
>>>>  With the emergence of earphone listening with the Walkman, carried over
>>>> to
>>>> the current mp3 generations, to say nothing of +100dB live gigs, there
>>>> is a
>>>> real danger that even young ears are being damaged such that anything
>>>> without that sizzle sounds dead. Issues of audio fidelity were never and
>>>> are
>>>> nowhere taught in schools or colleges, it is all picked up on the
>>>> street.
>>>> The nearest you get to such a thing is the specialized obsession with
>>>> "hifi"
>>>> in the car (with useless 12-inch speakers).
>>>>
>>>> Richard Dobson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> victor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It makes sense to me that Hi-Fi is a cultural phenomenon. It seems
>>>>> to belong in the continuum of simplicity-complexity as much as other
>>>>> elements of musical discourse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jpff" 
>>>>> To: 
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:54 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Csnd] [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> A friend sent me this link
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/11/153205
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It shows that modern youth actually prefer poor quality audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>> csound"
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Irreducible Productions
>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>
>>
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Andrés

We could also copy computer games with ghettoblasters, what wasn't
their to love about cassette tapes! Oh yeah now I remember...

2009/3/12 Brian Redfern :
> Too bad apple won't use flac, with lossless compression you can "have your
> cake and eat it too."
> Back when I was a teenager I hated cd's and loved cassette tapes. You
> couldn't copy cd's, this was before cdr, but you could record from a 4 track
> with your own mixes on tape back then.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Andres Cabrera 
> wrote:
>>
>> "bounce directly" =)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrés
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan vanAtom 
>> wrote:
>> > I'm putting together a CD compilation that includes a producer who has
>> > flat-out refused to give me a lossless audio file. He bounces directly
>> > to
>> > mp3 because he "likes the way it sounds." lol
>> >
>> > JvA
>> > ----------
>> > http://music.jonathanvanatom.com
>> > http://www.myspace.com/vanatom
>> > cyberiam@yahoo.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm sure that deafness is increasing. Too many people here in New York
>> >> with earbuds on the subway, where it is already too loud.
>> >>
>> >> About preference for MP3s, it is much easier to make a sizzling MP3
>> >> from a high-resolution soundfile than the other way round. No need to
>> >> modify my workflow!
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:38 AM, victor 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> yes, I always wonder whether we are on the brink of a wave of
>> >>> early-onset age-related deafness.
>> >>>
>> >>> Victor
>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Dobson"
>> >>> 
>> >>> To: 
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:28 AM
>> >>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> It's also not that new a phenomenon. One thinks back to the often
>> >>>> sonically and electrically terrible quasi-portable record players
>> >>>> with
>> >>>> cartridges lethal to vinyl, on which "teenagers' listened to  the
>> >>>> latest
>> >>>> singles. Then  the portable 'transistor' came along, with a useless
>> >>>> one-inch
>> >>>> speaker, followed by the gehtto-blaster with useless four-inch
>> >>>> speakers.
>> >>>>  With the emergence of earphone listening with the Walkman, carried
>> >>>> over
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> the current mp3 generations, to say nothing of +100dB live gigs,
>> >>>> there
>> >>>> is a
>> >>>> real danger that even young ears are being damaged such that anything
>> >>>> without that sizzle sounds dead. Issues of audio fidelity were never
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> are
>> >>>> nowhere taught in schools or colleges, it is all picked up on the
>> >>>> street.
>> >>>> The nearest you get to such a thing is the specialized obsession with
>> >>>> "hifi"
>> >>>> in the car (with useless 12-inch speakers).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Richard Dobson
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> victor wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> It makes sense to me that Hi-Fi is a cultural phenomenon. It seems
>> >>>>> to belong in the continuum of simplicity-complexity as much as other
>> >>>>> elements of musical discourse.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Victor
>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jpff" 
>> >>>>> To: 
>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:54 AM
>> >>>>> Subject: [Csnd] [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> A friend sent me this link
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>  http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/11/153205
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> It shows that modern youth actually prefer poor quality audio.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> >>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>> >>>> "unsubscribe
>> >>>> csound"
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >> Irreducible Productions
>> >> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>> >>
>> >>
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>>
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>>
>> Andrés
>>
>>
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Nye Parry wrote:
> ok, but why do we judge the value of things according to whether
> "young people" like them???????
> 
> Nye

Well, young people eventually become old people, and indicate the 
direction culture is headed. Some young people will move toward 
higher-quality experiences ("quality" as defined by us old folks, ha ha) 
as they age, but many will not.

Mike

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Michael P Mossey
 wrote:
> Nye Parry wrote:
>>
>> ok, but why do we judge the value of things according to whether
>> "young people" like them???????
>>
>> Nye
>
> Well, young people eventually become old people, and indicate the direction
> culture is headed. Some young people will move toward higher-quality
> experiences ("quality" as defined by us old folks, ha ha) as they age, but
> many will not.
>
> Mike

Young is not young is not young, though.  My father was young once, at
the same time as a huge number of people.  Along came the sexual
revolution, birth control, and knowledge of STD's, and lo and behold,
1975 had the lowest birth rate since WWII.  People my age will never
be as important to advertisers, politicians, television programmers,
etc. as the generation before or the generation after.  Not that I've
ever had much in common with my generation.

-Chuckk



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The music department at my university encouraged loudness, and no one
ever had the judgment to tell the trumpets to keep it down, regardless
of the unbalanced sound coming from the stage.  Pretty sad for
professional musicians to believe that they're "used to it," when
they're really "permanently damaged."  This was to the point that
people got mad if you complained about the level.  I was happy to sit
at home and code my music, and not leave my lifelong hearing in the
hands of a hundred teenagers with stars in their eyes.

-Chuckk


On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Michael Gogins
 wrote:
> I'm sure that deafness is increasing. Too many people here in New York
> with earbuds on the subway, where it is already too loud.
>
> About preference for MP3s, it is much easier to make a sizzling MP3
> from a high-resolution soundfile than the other way round. No need to
> modify my workflow!
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 6:38 AM, victor  wrote:
>> yes, I always wonder whether we are on the brink of a wave of
>> early-onset age-related deafness.
>>
>> Victor
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Dobson"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:28 AM
>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>>
>>
>>> It's also not that new a phenomenon. One thinks back to the often
>>> sonically and electrically terrible quasi-portable record players with
>>> cartridges lethal to vinyl, on which "teenagers' listened to  the latest
>>> singles. Then  the portable 'transistor' came along, with a useless one-inch
>>> speaker, followed by the gehtto-blaster with useless four-inch speakers.
>>>  With the emergence of earphone listening with the Walkman, carried over to
>>> the current mp3 generations, to say nothing of +100dB live gigs, there is a
>>> real danger that even young ears are being damaged such that anything
>>> without that sizzle sounds dead. Issues of audio fidelity were never and are
>>> nowhere taught in schools or colleges, it is all picked up on the street.
>>> The nearest you get to such a thing is the specialized obsession with "hifi"
>>> in the car (with useless 12-inch speakers).
>>>
>>> Richard Dobson
>>>
>>>
>>> victor wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It makes sense to me that Hi-Fi is a cultural phenomenon. It seems
>>>> to belong in the continuum of simplicity-complexity as much as other
>>>> elements of musical discourse.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jpff" 
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:54 AM
>>>> Subject: [Csnd] [OT] Are we wasting our time?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> A friend sent me this link
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/11/153205
>>>>>
>>>>> It shows that modern youth actually prefer poor quality audio.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
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> yes, I always wonder whether we are on the brink of a wave of
> early-onset age-related deafness.

I am more worried about the effect of deliberate pavlovian
conditioning against sounds >16 kHz directed against children, but
affecting the population as a whole. The devices are low cost,
subsonic and beginning to infest public transport locations in the UK.
Why not induce deafness if the

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