I'm attempting to run Sugar on a Stick on three computers currently: 1) my 
2.7GHz Dual-Core Athlon desktop; 2) the OLPC (XO-1) which is about 700MHz, 
and 3) an ASUS EEEPC900 netbook (also about 700MHz.).

I say "attempt" because SoaS cannot yet run Csound from a python script, 
either from Sugar or the terminal. (Csound by itself runs fine.) I'm running 
the XO-1 both from its native Sugar and from Sugar on a Stick; native mode 
(which consists of Csound5.08, python2.5 and a csound-python package that 
all work) is the only current way of performing my python script/Csound 
activity.

I've been targeting the activity at the 700MHz XO-1 (the original focus of 
my project), and figure that if it delivers consistent audio on this 
machine, that will meet the needs of most "children of the world." At least, 
it will satisfy me. As mentioned before, I've really had to pare down my 
technical/musical expectations to accommodate these means. I'm right on the 
edge, and fear that Csound double may well take me over the edge.

I'm looking forward to doing a realtime float-double test sometime on these 
700MHz machines.

Art Hunkins

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Gogins" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:47 PM
Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Pre-release Windows installer for Csound 5.11 at 
my Web site


What CPU/computer do you run Sugar on a Stick on?

Regards,
Mike

On 8/14/09, Art Hunkins  wrote:
> Rory,
>
> I probably overstated.
>
> Mike has indicated his intention only to build double binaries of Csound 
> for
> Windows from now on, if I read him correctly. I believe his pre-release of
> Csound 5.11 is his first move toward a single build.
>
> As you know, this concerns me. However, what potentially concerns me more 
> is
> that Mike is (gratefully - and I appreciate it very much) also now 
> involved
> in Linux builds/patches - particularly in trying to solve the
> Csound5.10/Sugar/Python interface dilemma. (No Sugar Activities using 
> Csound
> currently work in Sugar on a Stick/Fedora11.) I'm sure Mike's interest in
> this work is due to his expertise and interest in python; and Sugar
> Activities are python scripts. I doubt that anyone knows as much about
> interfacing python and Csound as Mike does.
>
> My main concern in this forum is to carry the torch for Csound float, and 
> to
> make the case for why the float version continues to be desirable.
> (Incidentally, I am open to being shown lacking.)
>
> Art Hunkins
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rory Walsh" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:00 PM
> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pre-release Windows
> installer for Csound 5.11 at my Web site
>
>
> Did I miss something? Did someone say something about abandoning float
> versions of Csound?
>
> 2009/8/13 Art Hunkins :
>> I'm using Linux because that's what Sugar uses which is what the OLPC
>> (XO-1)
>> uses - and I'm writing Sugar activities for children. Sugar on a Stick
>> (i.e., USB drive) is a variant of Sugar that allows kids to access these
>> activities on just about any computer (including older, less powerful
>> ones).
>>
>> As Walter Bender ("CEO" of Sugar Labs) stated in a recent email on the
>> sugar-dev list:
>>
>> (1) Sugar is designed to meet the needs of young children learning--it
>> puts an emphasis on guided discovery, collaboration, and reflection.
>> It is not just a repackaging of an 1970s-inspired office desktop. (2)
>> Sugar is built on free and open software because learning requires
>> more than just access to knowledge--it also requires the ability to
>> appropriate knowledge and put it to use. Sugar encourages and
>> facilitates such appropriation through mechanisms such as "view
>> source." (3) Sugar is designed to run on small, old, slow machines,
>> e.g., it can breath new life into existing hardware.
>>
>> Incidentally, "collaboration" (collaborative learning) is a major goal of
>> the project, and is why Csound5.10 must work on both the XO-1 and Sugar 
>> on
>>
>> a
>> Stick. (It doesn't currently - when run from python, which Sugar
>> requires.)
>> 5.10 is the only Csound that permits multiple MIDI controllers (as in
>> "collaborative performance").
>>
>> Finally, since most Csounding on OLPC's and Sugar on a Stick will be
>> realtime, and done on less powerful (even "weak") systems, I am very
>> worried
>> about abandoning the float version of Csound. (XO's include 5.08 float;
>> Sugar on a Stick has already moved to 5.10.) Hopefully, Sugar builds will
>> keep being *float*. Someone needs to do speed comparisons between 5.10
>> float
>> and double on slower machines to see how much difference there is.
>>
>> To make my .csd's, for example, work on the XO-1, I've had to severely
>> restrict sample rate (32K stereo), control rate (100!) and number of
>> voices
>> (8 - realtime) - as well as turn off internet - to get glitch-free sound
>> (Csound 5.08 float). Thank goodness I got to keep global reverbsc.
>>
>> Art Hunkins
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gogins"
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:53 PM
>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pre-release Windows installer for
>> Csound 5.11 at my Web site
>>
>>
>> Ok, in that case, why are you using Linux? Most musicians I know use OS
>> X...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On 8/13/09, Art Hunkins  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sugar = Linux (Fedora11), so no problem there.
>>>
>>> Art Hunkins
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michael Gogins" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:02 PM
>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Pre-release Windows installer for Csound
>>> 5.11 at my Web site
>>>
>>>
>>> I've probably asked this before, so please excuse the question -- why
>>> Sugar?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On 8/13/09, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh, OK. I thought you were concerned about the change breaking your
>>>> sugar application.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Andrés
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Art Hunkins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a composer, and to an extent, a performer of Csound works; i.e.,
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> a
>>>>> Csound *user*. I am not a developer/packager; i.e., I do not build
>>>>> Csound.
>>>>> I
>>>>> do give feedback to developers, and try out the new things they
>>>>> develop,
>>>>> in
>>>>> order to have better tools to compose with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, this distinction tends to break down in the Linux world -
>>>>> which
>>>>> is probably the prime reason I'm not a "Linux person". I simply don't
>>>>> want
>>>>> to get so heavily into the technical stuff; I don't want to construct
>>>>> my
>>>>> own
>>>>> "system". I want to construct my *compositions*.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankly, I've my hands more than full trying to get my compositions
>>>>> right,
>>>>> create simple performance GUIs, and writing Python scripts for Sugar
>>>>> (ugh).
>>>>> I count on developers to furnish me the tools - including working
>>>>> Csound
>>>>> binaries - to enable me to write my music. Furthermore, I'm not
>>>>> particularly
>>>>> picky; my needs are fairly mainstream.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since I write realtime Csound pieces for *others* to play (hopefully
>>>>> not
>>>>> just myself), I wouldn't *dream* of asking a potential performer to
>>>>> build
>>>>> Csound. (I don't ask him to build a piano.) I want to make it as easy
>>>>> and
>>>>> approachable as possible for the performer. So, *please*, developers,
>>>>> make
>>>>> as many ready-to-go, bug-free, user-friendly tools/builds as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Art Hunkins
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andres Cabrera"
>>>>> 
>>>>> To: 
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:25 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pre-release
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> installer for Csound 5.11 at my Web site
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Removing portmidi from the windows installers doesn't mean removing it
>>>>> from all csound. It's still available for windows if you build it and
>>>>> it will still be available on the other platforms.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Art Hunkins 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, yes, yes - please. (I've written an XO Activity based on 
>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>> controllers.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Art Hunkins
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gogins"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To: 
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:25 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pre-release Windows
>>>>>> installer for Csound 5.11 at my Web site
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I said I would try to debug the PortMidi problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/12/09, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Didn't Andres added code to the portmidi module to accept 
>>>>>>>> multi-port
>>>>>>>> MIDI
>>>>>>>> input? That will certainly be missed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At 16:12 12/08/2009, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Windows, winmme (Windows Multimedia Extensions) is a standard
>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>> of the operating system and seems to work pretty well. Backward
>>>>>>>>> compatibility would be a problem, I believe, only for the
>>>>>>>>> command-line
>>>>>>>>> options. It should not affect MIDI behavior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/12/09, Art Hunkins  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > If not PortMidi, what?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Backward compatibility?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Art Hunkins
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> > From: "Michael Gogins" 
>>>>>>>>> > To: 
>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:00 AM
>>>>>>>>> > Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Pre-release Windows installer 
>>>>>>>>> > for
>>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>> > Csound
>>>>>>>>> > 5.11 at my Web site
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> Yes. That's one of the things I will debug. If I can't fix it,
>>>>>>>>> >> no
>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> more
>>>>>>>>> >> PortMidi on Windows.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> >> Mike
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On 8/12/09, Oeyvind Brandtsegg  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>> It seems like portmidi hangs at (Ctrl+c) exit still.
>>>>>>>>> >>> Oeyvind
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> 2009/8/12 Michael Gogins :
>>>>>>>>> >>>> I'm updating tutorials, then debugging a few things, then the
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> final.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Aug 12, 2009 5:21 AM, "Tim Mortimer"
>>>>>>>>> >>>> 
>>>>>>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> So just to clarify
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> id like to do this install when it becomes official (been out
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> of
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> the
>>>>>>>>> >>>> loop
>>>>>>>>> >>>> too long to participate in this trail sorry... havent been
>>>>>>>>> >>>>  >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> using
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> 5.10
>>>>>>>>> >>>> because of the ctrl thing basically... hoping to re-enter
>>>>>>>>> >>>> with
>>>>>>>>> >>>> 5.11 -
>>>>>>>>> >>>> see
>>>>>>>>> >>>> what QuteCsound is all about + Lua)
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> would now be a good time to upgrade to python 2.6 then? >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> shouldnt
>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> be
>>>>>>>>> >>>> any
>>>>>>>>> >>>> drama vs 2.5 for most bog standard types of scripts?
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> assumedly no other dependencies necessary.... do i need to
>>>>>>>>> >>>> update
>>>>>>>>> >>>> quicktime
>>>>>>>>> >>>> or something? this is the only info i have seen...
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://qutecsound.sourceforge.net/
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> talking Windows obviously
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> many thanks.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> -----
>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://www.timmortimer.net
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> --
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>>>>>>>>> >> --
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Thanks for the information.

Csound runs faster with doubles on my netbook, but I will repeat the test.

Mkg

On Aug 14, 2009 4:43 PM, "Art Hunkins" <abhunkin@uncg.edu> wrote:

I'm attempting to run Sugar on a Stick on three computers currently: 1) my 2.7GHz Dual-Core Athlon desktop; 2) the OLPC (XO-1) which is about 700MHz, and 3) an ASUS EEEPC900 netbook (also about 700MHz.).

I say "attempt" because SoaS cannot yet run Csound from a python script, either from Sugar or the terminal. (Csound by itself runs fine.) I'm running the XO-1 both from its native Sugar and from Sugar on a Stick; native mode (which consists of Csound5.08, python2.5 and a csound-python package that all work) is the only current way of performing my python script/Csound activity.

I've been targeting the activity at the 700MHz XO-1 (the original focus of my project), and figure that if it delivers consistent audio on this machine, that will meet the needs of most "children of the world." At least, it will satisfy me. As mentioned before, I've really had to pare down my technical/musical expectations to accommodate these means. I'm right on the edge, and fear that Csound double may well take me over the edge.

I'm looking forward to doing a realtime float-double test sometime on these 700MHz machines.

Art Hunkins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Gogins" <michael.gogins@gmail.com> To: <c...

Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:47 PM
Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Pre-release Windows installer for Csound 5.11 at my Web site

What CPU/computer do you run Sugar on a Stick on? Regards, Mike On 8/14/09, Art Hunkins <abhunk...