Dear Csounders,

I would like to build a synth with multiple voices (several instances of one
instrument per one note). These voices should have dynamic parameters, like
all instances are spread in stereo.
You may say to use decimal instruments like
i1.1
i1.2 etc
The problem is that I want to have it with real-time MIDI. The manual says I
cannot:

Note that the decimal instrument number notation cannot be used in
conjunction with real-time MIDI. In this case, the instrument would be
monophonic while a note was held.

Please, any ideas are welcome!

Regards,
Gleb



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Saint-Petersburg University of Film and Television

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We discussed this earlier, but have you looked at using the event opcode and passing a unique pfield for each instance? BTW, when you say midi are you taking about using a slider to control the instances? You'll have to be careful to kill all instances before allocating the next ones. I guess you could use a channel and turnoff to do this?

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Hi again, Rory!

To use Event opcode one need to name instrument like

event "i", 1, 0, 3

and if I want to create several instances of one instrument I need to use
decimals again (please correct me if I am wrong). And it is not supposed to
work with real-time MIDI, right?

Actually, when I say MIDI, I mean playing my MIDI keyboards and maybe
tweaking some knobs for filters. 





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Dear Iain,

it seems more like I want to press one key on keyboard and have say 8
instances of instr 666 simultaneously. 
Just like voices on some digital hardware synths. 



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Interactive Arts Department
Saint-Petersburg University of Film and Television

Deputy Director of Medialab
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Oh my God..

It should make a trick! Thanks for cooperation! 
Gonna try it.



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Saint-Petersburg University of Film and Television

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Wait now, to create several instances of a single instrument you don't
need to use decimals? Every time you press a key on your keyboard you
can either start several instances using the event opcode:

event "i", 1, 0, 10, 1
event "i", 1, 0, 10, 2
event "i", 1, 0, 10, 3

Or just unmute several instances that are already running. If you want
independent control over each instrument you can just do something
like:

if(p4=1) then
kfreq chnget "freq1"
else if....

or better yet:

SChannel1 sprintf "freq%d", p4
kFreq chnget SChannel1

Thanks again, Rory!

I will try this solution too. Maybe I'll be lucky to create a sort of
commercial trance/industrial timbres finally with Csound!
I will report here about results!



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Interactive Arts Department
Saint-Petersburg University of Film and Television

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I don't think luck will have anything to do with it! But I 100%
certain that one can create timbres to rival commercial software
synths with Csound. At least I'm certain there are a few on this list
who could, given the time!

On 4 January 2014 22:29, Gleb  wrote:
> Thanks again, Rory!
>
> I will try this solution too. Maybe I'll be lucky to create a sort of
> commercial trance/industrial timbres finally with Csound!
> I will report here about results!
>
>
>
> -----
> Gleb Rogozinsky, PhD
> Associated Professor
> Interactive Arts Department
> Saint-Petersburg University of Film and Television
>
> Deputy Director of Medialab
> Saint-Petersburg University of Telecommunications
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OK, guys!

I tried both variants. Here are just oversimplified examples given. Each
voice is just an oscillator which can be detuned and spread across panorama

massign 1,1
massign 2,2

instr 1
iFreq cpsmidi
event "i", 2, 0, 1, iFreq*0.991,0
event "i", 2, 0, 1, iFreq*1, 0.5
event "i", 2, 0, 1, iFreq*1.009,1
endin

instr 2
a1 oscil 0.3, p4,1
    outs a1*p5,a1*(1-p5)
endin

Rory, the sound is bad. I have message from Qutecsound: Message buffer
overflow. Messages discarded.

Other option is what Iain advised:

massign 1,1
massign 2,2

instr 1
iFreq 	cpsmidi
a1,a2	subinstr 2, iFreq*0.991, 0
a3,a4	subinstr 2, iFreq*1,0.5
a5,a6	subinstr 2, iFreq*1.009, 1
asumL	= a1 + a3 + a5
asumR	= a2 + a4 + a6
 		outs asumL, asumR
endin

instr 2
a1		oscil 0.3, p4,1
		outs a1*p5,a1*(1-p5)
endin

It actually works well for me. So I continue with modelling. 




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Interactive Arts Department
Saint-Petersburg University of Film and Television

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Subinstr is probably better as you don't need to worry about turning it off!

On 5 January 2014 09:14, Gleb  wrote:
> OK, guys!
>
> I tried both variants. Here are just oversimplified examples given. Each
> voice is just an oscillator which can be detuned and spread across panorama
>
> massign 1,1
> massign 2,2
>
> instr 1
> iFreq cpsmidi
> event "i", 2, 0, 1, iFreq*0.991,0
> event "i", 2, 0, 1, iFreq*1, 0.5
> event "i", 2, 0, 1, iFreq*1.009,1
> endin
>
> instr 2
> a1 oscil 0.3, p4,1
>     outs a1*p5,a1*(1-p5)
> endin
>
> Rory, the sound is bad. I have message from Qutecsound: Message buffer
> overflow. Messages discarded.
>
> Other option is what Iain advised:
>
> massign 1,1
> massign 2,2
>
> instr 1
> iFreq   cpsmidi
> a1,a2   subinstr 2, iFreq*0.991, 0
> a3,a4   subinstr 2, iFreq*1,0.5
> a5,a6   subinstr 2, iFreq*1.009, 1
> asumL   = a1 + a3 + a5
> asumR   = a2 + a4 + a6
>                 outs asumL, asumR
> endin
>
> instr 2
> a1              oscil 0.3, p4,1
>                 outs a1*p5,a1*(1-p5)
> endin
>
> It actually works well for me. So I continue with modelling.
>
>
>
>
> -----
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> Associated Professor
> Interactive Arts Department
> Saint-Petersburg University of Film and Television
>
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> Saint-Petersburg University of Telecommunications
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perhaps the sound is bad because you use oscil instead of poscil?!?
have a good start in a posciling year, regards to st petersburg -
	joachim


Am 05.01.2014 10:14, schrieb Gleb:
> OK, guys!
>
> I tried both variants. Here are just oversimplified examples given. Each
> voice is just an oscillator which can be detuned and spread across panorama
>
> massign 1,1
> massign 2,2
>
> instr 1
> iFreq cpsmidi
> event "i", 2, 0, 1, iFreq*0.991,0
> event "i", 2, 0, 1, iFreq*1, 0.5
> event "i", 2, 0, 1, iFreq*1.009,1
> endin
>
> instr 2
> a1 oscil 0.3, p4,1
>      outs a1*p5,a1*(1-p5)
> endin
>
> Rory, the sound is bad. I have message from Qutecsound: Message buffer
> overflow. Messages discarded.
>
> Other option is what Iain advised:
>
> massign 1,1
> massign 2,2
>
> instr 1
> iFreq 	cpsmidi
> a1,a2	subinstr 2, iFreq*0.991, 0
> a3,a4	subinstr 2, iFreq*1,0.5
> a5,a6	subinstr 2, iFreq*1.009, 1
> asumL	= a1 + a3 + a5
> asumR	= a2 + a4 + a6
>   		outs asumL, asumR
> endin
>
> instr 2
> a1		oscil 0.3, p4,1
> 		outs a1*p5,a1*(1-p5)
> endin
>
> It actually works well for me. So I continue with modelling.
>
>
>
>
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> Associated Professor
> Interactive Arts Department
> Saint-Petersburg University of Film and Television
>
> Deputy Director of Medialab
> Saint-Petersburg University of Telecommunications
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Hi Joachim!

Subinstr opcode solved everything for me ) I will plug poscil somewhere
anyway.
Regards back to Hannover! Hope you guys have enough gas this winter)



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