Hi Dima -

I'd like to again suggest the link I gave you and thought I'd bring a few things to your attention (sorry in advance if I misunderstood your intentions).

The Csound book is copyrighted material (MIT Press) and represents countless hours of work by not only Dr. Boulanger but many of the contributors to this list.  The torrent you are referring to is an illegal copy and, of all places, the Csound list isn't the place to advocate stealing this work.

Again, sorry if I misunderstood.  Just in case, I'll provide a few links so you can legally purchase the book and contribute to the Csound community.  You also should strongly consider purchasing the Catalog as well from Csounds.com - it's another great resource for sample orchestra/score files.

Best,

Colman

The Csound Book:

http://www.amazon.com/Csound-Book-Perspectives-Processing-Programming/dp/0262522616/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277903845&sr=8-1

The Csound Catalog:

http://www.csounds.com/shop/csound-catalog

I cannot believe Dima is back on the forums, and is now talking about
a torrent version of the CSound book he has. So first he is verbally
abusive on the forums and now he steals from the CSound contributors.

Dima, have some respect for the Csound contributors and this forum.
Got out and buy the book. This will show your interest in Csound and
show your contribution to CSound.

On 6/30/10, Dima Bak  wrote:
> Hi! I had download copy of csound book from torrent tracker. But I left
> behind first chapter and now I has no examples for futher reading. I will
> buy book, sometime in the future. Can somebody upload examples from this
> book?
>
> 2010/6/30 Colman O'Reilly 
>
>> Hi Dima,
>>
>> Dr. B's first chapter is free online at Csounds.com (his examples are also
>> available for download there as well):
>> http://www.csounds.com/chapter1/index.html
>>
>> I would strongly suggest purchasing a copy of the Csound book when you
>> can.
>>  It's an invaluable resource for not only Csound, but music synthesis as a
>> whole.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>> -Colman
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Dima Bak
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can anybody send me or upload examples from The Csound Book by
>>> R.Boulanger?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>>
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Hi, Dima,
do you know how to use interlibrary loan? 
That's how I first got a copy of the CSound book.
Otherwise, if American book prices are too high for you, I would suggest the following free (and legal) resources:
- Introduction to Sound Processing by Davide Rocchesso (basic introduction, also mentions CSound in one chapter)
http://profs.sci.univr.it/~rocchess/htmls/corsi/SoundProcessing/SoundProcessingBook/vsp.pdf
- Music, a Mathematical Offering by Dave Benson (much background information + introduction to CSound in chapter 8)
http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~bensondj/html/maths-music.html
What kind of music would you like to write?
Since a lot of people on this list are working on synthesizing new and unusual sounds, you might need additional software, if you want to produce pop/rock/dance tracks etc.
In that case, I would recommend checking out MuseScore 
http://musescore.org/
(replace the "classical" layout and MIDI instruments by those you need) and lmms
http://lmms.sourceforge.net/
Best wishes,
Anja Hofmann
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> - Music, a Mathematical Offering by Dave Benson (much background information + introduction to CSound in chapter 8)
> http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~bensondj/html/maths-music.html

Thanks for this excellent resource, I wasn't aware of it !

Stef




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Ditto, I had forgotten about it.
I remember looking through it and being annoyed by one thing (because
I have my opinions). With all the explanation of vibrations and
frequency ratios, just intonation gets one short section, and then
there's a whole chapter on scales. As though music is not possible
without scales. It's possible to make music without limiting the
frequencies you're going to use to a restricted set.
Still, it's wonderful that a version of this is available free!

-Chuckk


2010/7/1 Stéphane Rollandin :
>> - Music, a Mathematical Offering by Dave Benson (much background
>> information + introduction to CSound in chapter 8)
>> http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~bensondj/html/maths-music.html
>
> Thanks for this excellent resource, I wasn't aware of it !
>
> Stef
>
>
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> I remember looking through it and being annoyed by one thing (because
> I have my opinions). With all the explanation of vibrations and
> frequency ratios, just intonation gets one short section, and then
> there's a whole chapter on scales. As though music is not possible
> without scales. It's possible to make music without limiting the
> frequencies you're going to use to a restricted set.

There is indeed a common confusion between just ratios and tuning 
systems; see Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_intonation

It says "just intonation is any musical tuning in which the frequencies 
of notes are related by ratios of small whole numbers". Then the entry 
for "musical tuning" says "A tuning system is the system used to define 
which tones, or pitches, to use when playing music".

So this basically says that just intonation is a class of specific scales.

I guess the main reason for this confusion is that playing music 
composed via ratios, with no limit on the number of different pitches to 
be used, is certainly very difficult in a classical context, especially 
if it's polyphonic. This is the realm of computers IMHO.


cheers,


Stef




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Another free resource is Miller Puckette's "Theory and Techniques of  
Electronic Music"

http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques.htm


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2010/7/3 Stéphane Rollandin :
>> I remember looking through it and being annoyed by one thing (because
>> I have my opinions). With all the explanation of vibrations and
>> frequency ratios, just intonation gets one short section, and then
>> there's a whole chapter on scales. As though music is not possible
>> without scales. It's possible to make music without limiting the
>> frequencies you're going to use to a restricted set.
>
> There is indeed a common confusion between just ratios and tuning systems;
> see Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_intonation
>
> It says "just intonation is any musical tuning in which the frequencies of
> notes are related by ratios of small whole numbers". Then the entry for
> "musical tuning" says "A tuning system is the system used to define which
> tones, or pitches, to use when playing music".
>
> So this basically says that just intonation is a class of specific scales.

That's just it; the word "scale" isn't in the excerpts you quoted. You
can have a *system* defining which tones to play that isn't a closed
*set* of tones. A perfect fifth, for example, can be found using a
simple system, and the number of possible frequencies arrived at this
way is already infinite. Any scale based on this system is a limited
segment, but the system itself isn't.
I agree it's the realm of computers, most definitely. I also agree
it's very difficult in a classical context, but so are algorithmic
composition and scanned synthesis, from what I know of classical
contexts!

-Chuckk


>
> I guess the main reason for this confusion is that playing music composed
> via ratios, with no limit on the number of different pitches to be used, is
> certainly very difficult in a classical context, especially if it's
> polyphonic. This is the realm of computers IMHO.
>
>
> cheers,
>
>
> Stef
>
>
>
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