Friends,

I want to both start and end this note by telling you all how grateful  
I am to be part of such an amazing, inspiring and dedicated community.
And I want to thank you all for the incredibly work you do every day  
to make Csound better and better.  Your questions, your suggestions,
your instruments, your music, your front-ends, your new opcodes, even  
your criticisms - they are all an inspiration and they have all
helped Csound to grow in amazing ways.

At Barry Vercoe's retirement party last month, I started by thanking  
him, on behalf of the Csounders all over the world, for
the great gift that he gave us all back in 1986; and then I showed  
them all Csound - "then and now" (starting with the very
first Csound piece - which I wrote - "Trapped in Covert", and ended by  
playing Csound5 from a wiiMote and jamming over a
remix of Vercoe's "synapse" that was being played and running Csound  
live from with Max4Live - yes  Csound4Live!

At MIT, they were blown away by the fact that we had come so far.   
They were blown away by all the "content" in QuteCsound.
They were blown away by the fact that we could work "old-school", from  
the Terminal or with FLTK widgets or QT widgets or integrate
directly into the latest production tool and performance tools such as  
Ableton Live or Max/MSP.  (In fact Miller Puckette was there
too, and he "got it") (Also, my 11 day old granddaughter Anaïs was  
there too - and she "got it" as I wandered around the hall
improvising little sounds especially for her.)

In addition to Barry Vercoe, over the years, we have been blessed by a  
great team of dedicated developers and maintainers,
led by the amazing John ffitch, who have also given us so much of  
themselves to make this tool such a fantastically "useful" one.
We always recognized how "powerful" it was, but for the past 20+  
years, these dedicated developers have made it so much more
"useful" and supported the work and styles of so many as they have  
continued to improve it while making sure that one could always
work in the traditional way, if they preferred this.

Especially for beginners, the current installer package is great:   
with QuteCsound, Csound5, and examples.

Most importantly, all of these materials are supported and currently  
being developed, improved, and maintained,

It contains everything one needs to get started.... with a lot of  
extra supporting materials, tutorials, and compositions to inspire.
(both within QuteCsound and within the Examples Folder)

And nothing extra to "confuse"
(in my classes, there is much less - which do I use? where do I put  
this?  is this Csound? how do I get it running?)

At last, students and beginners don't need  to search here and there  
on the net for all the other stuff that they might need to download to  
get going.
(and they don't need to figure out where to put it and what to do with  
it - the examples, tutorials in QuteCsound, and the support videos...  
are WONDERFUL!)

As one gets more expert with Csound, such as many of you on the list,  
one discovers all the other fantastic tools and support materials
that they could use, and  with experience, they will find the "best"  
fit for their style and needs:
(Cecilia, Blue, MacCsound, WinXound, Ounk, CsoundAV, Emacs, Csound~,  
AlgoScore, Smuralot, Csound-x for Emacs)

For the very first time in Csound's history, we have a package that is  
simple to install and use instantly, that is standard on all  
platforms, and
that contains all the "essentials" which allow one to simply install  
"Csound5" and begin exploring and learning right "out of the box".

The current "box" (package) is pretty great - and getting better all  
the time because of the constant improvements and refinements of the
developers who are working on the releases.

The generous and diligent work of those who are maintaining and  
supporting the current release is much appreciated.

I hope that they can continue working together to bring the  
International Csound User Community such a fantastic "instrument" with
which to discover their true musical selves.

Dr. B.

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Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:

> ...the International Csound User Community...

OT response to make my plea for a Csound conference, preferably held at 
Berklee under Dr B's direction (since he has lots of spare time, hehe).

Wow, what a show that could be !

Best,

dp



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on 2010-06-10 at 08:44 Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:

>As one gets more expert with Csound, such as many of you on the list,  
>one discovers all the other fantastic tools and support materials
>that they could use, and  with experience, they will find the "best"  
>fit for their style and needs:
>(Cecilia, Blue, MacCsound, WinXound, Ounk, CsoundAV, Emacs, Csound~,  
>AlgoScore, Smuralot, Csound-x for Emacs)

and Vim... :-)



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Dave,

This is an excellent idea, and I will try to make something like this  
happen in 2011-2012

-dB

On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:

> Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>
>> ...the International Csound User Community...
>
> OT response to make my plea for a Csound conference, preferably held  
> at Berklee under Dr B's direction (since he has lots of spare time,  
> hehe).
>
> Wow, what a show that could be !
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
>
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Dr. B!

You have surely said it all! As a composer I depend on Csound every  
day and could not express my gratitude better then you just did.  
Thanks to the entire csound community for keeping this valuable tool  
vibrant and always useful.

best,
Lou Cohen

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> Friends,
>
> I want to both start and end this note by telling you all how  
> grateful I am to be part of such an amazing, inspiring and dedicated  
> community....



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I second the call for a Csound conference, and I think a special
effort should be made to include good music made with Csound, perhaps
by including a juried music competition.

Regards,
Mike

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
 wrote:
> Dave,
>
> This is an excellent idea, and I will try to make something like this happen
> in 2011-2012
>
> -dB
>
> On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
>
>> Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>>
>>> ...the International Csound User Community...
>>
>> OT response to make my plea for a Csound conference, preferably held at
>> Berklee under Dr B's direction (since he has lots of spare time, hehe).
>>
>> Wow, what a show that could be !
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> dp
>>
>>
>>
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That would be very nice.

Victor
On 10 Jun 2010, at 15:33, Michael Gogins wrote:

> I second the call for a Csound conference, and I think a special
> effort should be made to include good music made with Csound, perhaps
> by including a juried music competition.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>  wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> This is an excellent idea, and I will try to make something like  
>> this happen
>> in 2011-2012
>>
>> -dB
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...the International Csound User Community...
>>>
>>> OT response to make my plea for a Csound conference, preferably  
>>> held at
>>> Berklee under Dr B's direction (since he has lots of spare time,  
>>> hehe).
>>>
>>> Wow, what a show that could be !
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> dp
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Dear Csounders,

I will begin working on hosting a conference for here at Berklee in  
2011/2012 - with concerts, papers, meetings, brainStorming sessions,
and a visit/presentation from Barry Vercoe and Max Mathews too!
(Max is spending a week with me later this month and so I will ask him  
about it.)

-dB


On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:

> That would be very nice.
>
> Victor
> On 10 Jun 2010, at 15:33, Michael Gogins wrote:
>
>> I second the call for a Csound conference, and I think a special
>> effort should be made to include good music made with Csound, perhaps
>> by including a juried music competition.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>>  wrote:
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> This is an excellent idea, and I will try to make something like  
>>> this happen
>>> in 2011-2012
>>>
>>> -dB
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...the International Csound User Community...
>>>>
>>>> OT response to make my plea for a Csound conference, preferably  
>>>> held at
>>>> Berklee under Dr B's direction (since he has lots of spare time,  
>>>> hehe).
>>>>
>>>> Wow, what a show that could be !
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> dp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Fantastic!  I will be very much looking forward to this! Thanks!

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
 wrote:
> Dear Csounders,
>
> I will begin working on hosting a conference for here at Berklee in
> 2011/2012 - with concerts, papers, meetings, brainStorming sessions,
> and a visit/presentation from Barry Vercoe and Max Mathews too!
> (Max is spending a week with me later this month and so I will ask him about
> it.)
>
> -dB
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>
>> That would be very nice.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 10 Jun 2010, at 15:33, Michael Gogins wrote:
>>
>>> I second the call for a Csound conference, and I think a special
>>> effort should be made to include good music made with Csound, perhaps
>>> by including a juried music competition.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> This is an excellent idea, and I will try to make something like this
>>>> happen
>>>> in 2011-2012
>>>>
>>>> -dB
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...the International Csound User Community...
>>>>>
>>>>> OT response to make my plea for a Csound conference, preferably held at
>>>>> Berklee under Dr B's direction (since he has lots of spare time, hehe).
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, what a show that could be !
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> dp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Excellent!



On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
 wrote:
> Dear Csounders,
>
> I will begin working on hosting a conference for here at Berklee in
> 2011/2012 - with concerts, papers, meetings, brainStorming sessions,
> and a visit/presentation from Barry Vercoe and Max Mathews too!
> (Max is spending a week with me later this month and so I will ask him about
> it.)
>
> -dB
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>
>> That would be very nice.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 10 Jun 2010, at 15:33, Michael Gogins wrote:
>>
>>> I second the call for a Csound conference, and I think a special
>>> effort should be made to include good music made with Csound, perhaps
>>> by including a juried music competition.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> This is an excellent idea, and I will try to make something like this
>>>> happen
>>>> in 2011-2012
>>>>
>>>> -dB
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...the International Csound User Community...
>>>>>
>>>>> OT response to make my plea for a Csound conference, preferably held at
>>>>> Berklee under Dr B's direction (since he has lots of spare time, hehe).
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, what a show that could be !
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> dp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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That is very exciting!
Any thoughts on themes for composition submissions?

Aidan

On 6/10/10, andy fillebrown  wrote:
> Excellent!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>  wrote:
>> Dear Csounders,
>>
>> I will begin working on hosting a conference for here at Berklee in
>> 2011/2012 - with concerts, papers, meetings, brainStorming sessions,
>> and a visit/presentation from Barry Vercoe and Max Mathews too!
>> (Max is spending a week with me later this month and so I will ask him
>> about
>> it.)
>>
>> -dB
>>
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>
>>> That would be very nice.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> On 10 Jun 2010, at 15:33, Michael Gogins wrote:
>>>
>>>> I second the call for a Csound conference, and I think a special
>>>> effort should be made to include good music made with Csound, perhaps
>>>> by including a juried music competition.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is an excellent idea, and I will try to make something like this
>>>>> happen
>>>>> in 2011-2012
>>>>>
>>>>> -dB
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...the International Csound User Community...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OT response to make my plea for a Csound conference, preferably held
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> Berklee under Dr B's direction (since he has lots of spare time,
>>>>>> hehe).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, what a show that could be !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Not yet, but it would be cool to organize a series of concerts around  
different themes for sure.

-dB

On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Aidan Collins wrote:

> That is very exciting!
> Any thoughts on themes for composition submissions?
>
> Aidan
>
> On 6/10/10, andy fillebrown  wrote:
>> Excellent!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>>  wrote:
>>> Dear Csounders,
>>>
>>> I will begin working on hosting a conference for here at Berklee in
>>> 2011/2012 - with concerts, papers, meetings, brainStorming sessions,
>>> and a visit/presentation from Barry Vercoe and Max Mathews too!
>>> (Max is spending a week with me later this month and so I will ask  
>>> him
>>> about
>>> it.)
>>>
>>> -dB
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>
>>>> That would be very nice.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> On 10 Jun 2010, at 15:33, Michael Gogins wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I second the call for a Csound conference, and I think a special
>>>>> effort should be made to include good music made with Csound,  
>>>>> perhaps
>>>>> by including a juried music competition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is an excellent idea, and I will try to make something  
>>>>>> like this
>>>>>> happen
>>>>>> in 2011-2012
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -dB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...the International Csound User Community...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OT response to make my plea for a Csound conference,  
>>>>>>> preferably held
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> Berklee under Dr B's direction (since he has lots of spare time,
>>>>>>> hehe).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow, what a show that could be !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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hey

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
 wrote:
> I will begin working on hosting a conference for here at Berklee in
> 2011/2012 - with concerts, papers, meetings, brainStorming sessions,
> and a visit/presentation from Barry Vercoe and Max Mathews too!

great news. and as a local, it's even better [for me].

similarly, while i expect you may have some of your students doing as
much of the work as you can put on them in good conscience [note:
humor], i'd be happy to help out too.

as you mentioned in your earlier note set off by the vercoe fest,
csound just keeps getting better and better [just like all of us-
right?] ...

Great news. I'll want to be there.
Oeyvind

2010/6/10 Dr. Richard Boulanger :
> Dear Csounders,
>
> I will begin working on hosting a conference for here at Berklee in
> 2011/2012 - with concerts, papers, meetings, brainStorming sessions,
> and a visit/presentation from Barry Vercoe and Max Mathews too!
> (Max is spending a week with me later this month and so I will ask him about
> it.)
>
> -dB
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>
>> That would be very nice.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 10 Jun 2010, at 15:33, Michael Gogins wrote:
>>
>>> I second the call for a Csound conference, and I think a special
>>> effort should be made to include good music made with Csound, perhaps
>>> by including a juried music competition.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> This is an excellent idea, and I will try to make something like this
>>>> happen
>>>> in 2011-2012
>>>>
>>>> -dB
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...the International Csound User Community...
>>>>>
>>>>> OT response to make my plea for a Csound conference, preferably held at
>>>>> Berklee under Dr B's direction (since he has lots of spare time, hehe).
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, what a show that could be !
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> dp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Csound conference is a fabulous idea.

Concerts will be terrific....and don't forget realtime performances  
using csound!

-Lou


On Jun 10, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:

> Not yet, but it would be cool to organize a series of concerts  
> around different themes for sure.
>
> -dB
>
> On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Aidan Collins wrote:
>
>> That is very exciting!
>> Any thoughts on themes for composition submissions?
>>
>> Aidan
>>
>> On 6/10/10, andy fillebrown  wrote:
>>> Excellent!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Dear Csounders,
>>>>
>>>> I will begin working on hosting a conference for here at Berklee in
>>>> 2011/2012 - with concerts, papers, meetings, brainStorming  
>>>> sessions,
>>>> and a visit/presentation from Barry Vercoe and Max Mathews too!
>>>> (Max is spending a week with me later this month and so I will  
>>>> ask him
>>>> about
>>>> it.)
>>>>
>>>> -dB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That would be very nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 10 Jun 2010, at 15:33, Michael Gogins wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I second the call for a Csound conference, and I think a special
>>>>>> effort should be made to include good music made with Csound,  
>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>> by including a juried music competition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is an excellent idea, and I will try to make something  
>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>> in 2011-2012
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -dB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...the International Csound User Community...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OT response to make my plea for a Csound conference,  
>>>>>>>> preferably held
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> Berklee under Dr B's direction (since he has lots of spare  
>>>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>>> hehe).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow, what a show that could be !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> dp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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Dear Csounders,

Once I get the ball rolling at Berklee, then I will ask all the  
Csounders for ideas about how
to make the conference "work" for each of you.  And I will want your  
help, so thanks already
to those who have offered.  I will be in touch as things come together  
for sure.

We will need to plan the perfect "program" such as:

- themes for the concerts

- one or two "Csound Challenge" events/concerts
(a call for the "focused" work for all of us - something like John  
ffitch's "Door" Project, or the SineWave Contest.)
(or maybe even... the "trapped remixed" competition?)

- the "perfect" balance of concerts, papers, demos, tutorials,  
workshops, and thinkTank/FutureDirections sessions

- tutorial workshops and demos such as these come to mind:

++ Lettuce
++ CsoundAC
++ Blue
++ CsoundAPI
++ Csound & Python
++ Csound and VST
++ Csound and AU
++ Csound & Max4Live
++ Adding Opcodes to Csound5,
++ issues and solutions for using Csound in Live Performance
++ Performance Systems such as improSculpt & GranularImprovisor & ???
++ AlgoComp in Csound
++ the new Cecilia
++ the older MacCsound
++ working with WinXound
++ working with csound~,
++ working with csound-x
++ working with QuteCsound
++ Csound and the OLPC

I promise that it's going to be great for all of us, and I can't wait  
to start to make this happen especially
because of how much I would learn at all these "sessions" and how much  
I would be inspired by
all the "concerts" featuring your music.

We might make a rule that you have to attend to be played on a  
concert, but open the call
to feature "all" submissions of non-attending "delegates" on the  
webSite and on a Conference
DVD that will include video of all sessions/demos and concerts.

Just thinking out loud here....

Wishing you all the best,

Dr. B.

On Jun 10, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Louis Cohen wrote:

> Csound conference is a fabulous idea.
>
> Concerts will be terrific....and don't forget realtime performances  
> using csound!
>
> -Lou
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>
>> Not yet, but it would be cool to organize a series of concerts  
>> around different themes for sure.
>>
>> -dB
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Aidan Collins wrote:
>>
>>> That is very exciting!
>>> Any thoughts on themes for composition submissions?
>>>
>>> Aidan
>>>
>>> On 6/10/10, andy fillebrown  wrote:
>>>> Excellent!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Dear Csounders,
>>>>>
>>>>> I will begin working on hosting a conference for here at Berklee  
>>>>> in
>>>>> 2011/2012 - with concerts, papers, meetings, brainStorming  
>>>>> sessions,
>>>>> and a visit/presentation from Barry Vercoe and Max Mathews too!
>>>>> (Max is spending a week with me later this month and so I will  
>>>>> ask him
>>>>> about
>>>>> it.)
>>>>>
>>>>> -dB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:14 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That would be very nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>> On 10 Jun 2010, at 15:33, Michael Gogins wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I second the call for a Csound conference, and I think a special
>>>>>>> effort should be made to include good music made with Csound,  
>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>> by including a juried music competition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is an excellent idea, and I will try to make something  
>>>>>>>> like this
>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>> in 2011-2012
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -dB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...the International Csound User Community...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OT response to make my plea for a Csound conference,  
>>>>>>>>> preferably held
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> Berklee under Dr B's direction (since he has lots of spare  
>>>>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>>>> hehe).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wow, what a show that could be !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> dp
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Michael Gogins
>>>>>>> Irreducible Productions
>>>>>>> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>>>>>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>>>>>


==================
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1140 Boylston Street
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Hello John,

Thanks for offering to help... I will be in touch as we get closer and  
would appreciate your advice and support.

Wishing you all the best,

-dB

On Jun 10, 2010, at 2:44 PM, john saylor wrote:

> hey
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>  wrote:
>> I will begin working on hosting a conference for here at Berklee in
>> 2011/2012 - with concerts, papers, meetings, brainStorming sessions,
>> and a visit/presentation from Barry Vercoe and Max Mathews too!
>
> great news. and as a local, it's even better [for me].
>
> similarly, while i expect you may have some of your students doing as
> much of the work as you can put on them in good conscience [note:
> humor], i'd be happy to help out too.
>
> as you mentioned in your earlier note set off by the vercoe fest,
> csound just keeps getting better and better [just like all of us-
> right?] ...
>
> -- 
> \js  :-P
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Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>
>
> Once I get the ball rolling at Berklee, then I will ask all the 
> Csounders for ideas about how
> to make the conference "work" for each of you.  And I will want your 
> help, so thanks already
> to those who have offered.  I will be in touch as things come together 
> for sure.
>

Rick, you might want to get in touch with the current and/or past 
organizers of the Linux Audio conferences. IIRC they maintain a book 
that describes how they go about setting up the conference (it changes 
location & organizers each year), perhaps that could be helpful and save 
some time/agonies.


> We might make a rule that you have to attend to be played on a 
> concert, but open the call
> to feature "all" submissions of non-attending "delegates" on the 
> webSite and on a Conference
> DVD that will include video of all sessions/demos and concerts.
>

Unfortunately that rule seems a bit "punitive", i.e. "If you can't make 
it to the show we won't play your piece". We'd likely lose the pleasure 
of some outstanding submissions from people who would love to attend yet 
not be able to make it.

Just some thoughts, but 2011 will be here sooner than we think. Btw, 
2012 won't do, the world is scheduled to end then. Of course if you know 
the exact date of termination we can always work around it.

Hopefully helpful,

dp

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Well, we have to do it in 2013 then, after the end of the world.

Victor
On 11 Jun 2010, at 13:31, Dave Phillips wrote:

> Just some thoughts, but 2011 will be here sooner than we think. Btw,  
> 2012 won't do, the world is scheduled to end then. Of course if you  
> know the exact date of termination we can always work around it.



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Dave,

Thanks for the tips... and the links....

Nothing is carved in stone at all, but for years I attended the FEMF  
conference in Gainesville,
run by Jim Sain and team.  And this was his "rule" which was a great  
one.  Everyone who was
"played" on a concert, was there at the concert.  It was great - and  
over the years we developed
incredible relationships with each other.  I stopped going to other  
conferences, because this one
was so fulfilling...  And... Jim Sain is both a great person and a  
fantastic composer himself.

Hopefully it won't be that big a letDown to have had one's piece  
"featured" on the WebSite and the DVD
if they can't make it to the conference in person.  We could also have  
listening sessions, and the playing
of all DVD compositions during receptions and coffee-sessions.

And...

Surely there would be exceptions, but I would want to present as much  
as we could and have the participants be
there to share/discuss what was presented as it was and after it was  
presented - so there would be times after each concert to hang a bit.

These are just initial thoughts... and they would and could change  
over time for sure.

Wishing you all the best.

-dB

On Jun 11, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:

> Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
>>
>>
>> Once I get the ball rolling at Berklee, then I will ask all the  
>> Csounders for ideas about how
>> to make the conference "work" for each of you.  And I will want  
>> your help, so thanks already
>> to those who have offered.  I will be in touch as things come  
>> together for sure.
>>
>
> Rick, you might want to get in touch with the current and/or past  
> organizers of the Linux Audio conferences. IIRC they maintain a book  
> that describes how they go about setting up the conference (it  
> changes location & organizers each year), perhaps that could be  
> helpful and save some time/agonies.
>
>
>> We might make a rule that you have to attend to be played on a  
>> concert, but open the call
>> to feature "all" submissions of non-attending "delegates" on the  
>> webSite and on a Conference
>> DVD that will include video of all sessions/demos and concerts.
>>
>
> Unfortunately that rule seems a bit "punitive", i.e. "If you can't  
> make it to the show we won't play your piece". We'd likely lose the  
> pleasure of some outstanding submissions from people who would love  
> to attend yet not be able to make it.
>
> Just some thoughts, but 2011 will be here sooner than we think. Btw,  
> 2012 won't do, the world is scheduled to end then. Of course if you  
> know the exact date of termination we can always work around it.
>
> Hopefully helpful,
>
> dp
>
> :)
>
>
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My suggestions for the Csound conference:

All pieces that are submitted should be online on the Csound web site
(or linked from it) for anyone who wants to hear them. Attendance
should not be required for this to happen.

There should be at least one formal, juried concert with blind judging
by musicians or critics where the focus is primarily on musical
quality. Attendance should not be required for this to happen, either.

The reason we shouldn't care about requiring attendance for music is
that we should care most of all about the quality of the music.

There should be a few music prizes! I suggest a juried contest and a
popularity contest in each category: fixed media, live electronics,
computer and instrument(s). But not too many prizes or they become
meaningless. I suggest "Vercoe Prize" for the juried contest.

A CD or audio DVD should be prepared of all juried selections. It is
sufficient, I think, for the recording to be a disk image or
registered with an online music service, but if someone wants to go
crazy we could burn discs, make inserts and covers, register with
music distributors, etc.

For papers and workshops, somebody has to attend in order to present
the work. I think it is reasonable to request the author to attend,
but not require it; a student or friend should also be acceptable. It
should be a requirement that a PDF of the presentation be available
for posting on the Csound web site (or linked from it).

Finally, one of the most important features, it should be carefully
planned out how the attendees and presenters can spend time eating and
drinking together.

See you there,
Mike







On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Victor Lazzarini
 wrote:
> Well, we have to do it in 2013 then, after the end of the world.
>
> Victor
> On 11 Jun 2010, at 13:31, Dave Phillips wrote:
>
>> Just some thoughts, but 2011 will be here sooner than we think. Btw, 2012
>> won't do, the world is scheduled to end then. Of course if you know the
>> exact date of termination we can always work around it.
>
>
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Thanks,

Some great suggestions here.

Especially love the juried concert and prizes ideas.

Adding them to the list.

-dB

On Jun 11, 2010, at 8:49 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:

> My suggestions for the Csound conference:
>
> All pieces that are submitted should be online on the Csound web site
> (or linked from it) for anyone who wants to hear them. Attendance
> should not be required for this to happen.
>
> There should be at least one formal, juried concert with blind judging
> by musicians or critics where the focus is primarily on musical
> quality. Attendance should not be required for this to happen, either.
>
> The reason we shouldn't care about requiring attendance for music is
> that we should care most of all about the quality of the music.
>
> There should be a few music prizes! I suggest a juried contest and a
> popularity contest in each category: fixed media, live electronics,
> computer and instrument(s). But not too many prizes or they become
> meaningless. I suggest "Vercoe Prize" for the juried contest.
>
> A CD or audio DVD should be prepared of all juried selections. It is
> sufficient, I think, for the recording to be a disk image or
> registered with an online music service, but if someone wants to go
> crazy we could burn discs, make inserts and covers, register with
> music distributors, etc.
>
> For papers and workshops, somebody has to attend in order to present
> the work. I think it is reasonable to request the author to attend,
> but not require it; a student or friend should also be acceptable. It
> should be a requirement that a PDF of the presentation be available
> for posting on the Csound web site (or linked from it).
>
> Finally, one of the most important features, it should be carefully
> planned out how the attendees and presenters can spend time eating and
> drinking together.
>
> See you there,
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>  wrote:
>> Well, we have to do it in 2013 then, after the end of the world.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 11 Jun 2010, at 13:31, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> Just some thoughts, but 2011 will be here sooner than we think.  
>>> Btw, 2012
>>> won't do, the world is scheduled to end then. Of course if you  
>>> know the
>>> exact date of termination we can always work around it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>
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About the jury. I've been to several ICMCs over the years, including
this year. Every year there are a few good pieces, some years a great
piece, but there are way too many mediocre or downright bad pieces.
And, it seems to me that the ICMA people have a narrow take on musical
style for computer music (though this has been getting very gradually
better over the years). So, I would suggest that the jury include
people competent to judge a variety of styles including
electroacoustic, generative, minimalist, modernist, and various styles
falling under the umbrella 'electronica' including dub, ambient, etc.

Without going crazy, of course. But pieces that have, or do not have,
the following should receive unbiased and informed consideration:
backbeat, tonality, identifiable sounds, samples, etc.

Regards,
Mike

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
 wrote:
> Thanks,
>
> Some great suggestions here.
>
> Especially love the juried concert and prizes ideas.
>
> Adding them to the list.
>
> -dB
>
> On Jun 11, 2010, at 8:49 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:
>
>> My suggestions for the Csound conference:
>>
>> All pieces that are submitted should be online on the Csound web site
>> (or linked from it) for anyone who wants to hear them. Attendance
>> should not be required for this to happen.
>>
>> There should be at least one formal, juried concert with blind judging
>> by musicians or critics where the focus is primarily on musical
>> quality. Attendance should not be required for this to happen, either.
>>
>> The reason we shouldn't care about requiring attendance for music is
>> that we should care most of all about the quality of the music.
>>
>> There should be a few music prizes! I suggest a juried contest and a
>> popularity contest in each category: fixed media, live electronics,
>> computer and instrument(s). But not too many prizes or they become
>> meaningless. I suggest "Vercoe Prize" for the juried contest.
>>
>> A CD or audio DVD should be prepared of all juried selections. It is
>> sufficient, I think, for the recording to be a disk image or
>> registered with an online music service, but if someone wants to go
>> crazy we could burn discs, make inserts and covers, register with
>> music distributors, etc.
>>
>> For papers and workshops, somebody has to attend in order to present
>> the work. I think it is reasonable to request the author to attend,
>> but not require it; a student or friend should also be acceptable. It
>> should be a requirement that a PDF of the presentation be available
>> for posting on the Csound web site (or linked from it).
>>
>> Finally, one of the most important features, it should be carefully
>> planned out how the attendees and presenters can spend time eating and
>> drinking together.
>>
>> See you there,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, we have to do it in 2013 then, after the end of the world.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> On 11 Jun 2010, at 13:31, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just some thoughts, but 2011 will be here sooner than we think. Btw,
>>>> 2012
>>>> won't do, the world is scheduled to end then. Of course if you know the
>>>> exact date of termination we can always work around it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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>>
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Michael,

Thanks for these points as well.  And thanks for this reminder about  
how import it is to
feature "all" the Csound music we are making.

Rest assured, you don't have to worry about us being "inclusive" here  
at "Berklee".

All genres and approaches will be represented and would be judged by  
"experts" in that genre.

-dB


On Jun 11, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:

> About the jury. I've been to several ICMCs over the years, including
> this year. Every year there are a few good pieces, some years a great
> piece, but there are way too many mediocre or downright bad pieces.
> And, it seems to me that the ICMA people have a narrow take on musical
> style for computer music (though this has been getting very gradually
> better over the years). So, I would suggest that the jury include
> people competent to judge a variety of styles including
> electroacoustic, generative, minimalist, modernist, and various styles
> falling under the umbrella 'electronica' including dub, ambient, etc.
>
> Without going crazy, of course. But pieces that have, or do not have,
> the following should receive unbiased and informed consideration:
> backbeat, tonality, identifiable sounds, samples, etc.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>  wrote:
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Some great suggestions here.
>>
>> Especially love the juried concert and prizes ideas.
>>
>> Adding them to the list.
>>
>> -dB
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 8:49 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:
>>
>>> My suggestions for the Csound conference:
>>>
>>> All pieces that are submitted should be online on the Csound web  
>>> site
>>> (or linked from it) for anyone who wants to hear them. Attendance
>>> should not be required for this to happen.
>>>
>>> There should be at least one formal, juried concert with blind  
>>> judging
>>> by musicians or critics where the focus is primarily on musical
>>> quality. Attendance should not be required for this to happen,  
>>> either.
>>>
>>> The reason we shouldn't care about requiring attendance for music is
>>> that we should care most of all about the quality of the music.
>>>
>>> There should be a few music prizes! I suggest a juried contest and a
>>> popularity contest in each category: fixed media, live electronics,
>>> computer and instrument(s). But not too many prizes or they become
>>> meaningless. I suggest "Vercoe Prize" for the juried contest.
>>>
>>> A CD or audio DVD should be prepared of all juried selections. It is
>>> sufficient, I think, for the recording to be a disk image or
>>> registered with an online music service, but if someone wants to go
>>> crazy we could burn discs, make inserts and covers, register with
>>> music distributors, etc.
>>>
>>> For papers and workshops, somebody has to attend in order to present
>>> the work. I think it is reasonable to request the author to attend,
>>> but not require it; a student or friend should also be acceptable.  
>>> It
>>> should be a requirement that a PDF of the presentation be available
>>> for posting on the Csound web site (or linked from it).
>>>
>>> Finally, one of the most important features, it should be carefully
>>> planned out how the attendees and presenters can spend time eating  
>>> and
>>> drinking together.
>>>
>>> See you there,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, we have to do it in 2013 then, after the end of the world.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> On 11 Jun 2010, at 13:31, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just some thoughts, but 2011 will be here sooner than we think.  
>>>>> Btw,
>>>>> 2012
>>>>> won't do, the world is scheduled to end then. Of course if you  
>>>>> know the
>>>>> exact date of termination we can always work around it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>
>>>
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My only question is what makes a csound composition a csound  
composition?

Does it mean that the piece was entirely  composed (and mixed) in  
csound? Does it mean that at least the sounds were created in csound  
alone with no other processing? Or does it mean that csound was used  
alongside other software?

Or does it mean that it 'sounds' like a csound piece (if there is such  
a thing)? Most pieces which sound like a particular software tend to  
be (in my limited opinion) rather boring. I get people telling me that  
one of my pieces sounded like it was made with csound (in fact I never  
did an entire composition in csound, simply because I can't) and I do  
not take that as a compliment at all!

One of the challenges for a composer is to make the software/hardware  
(including the speakers) as transparent as possible, or else  
intentionally reveal the tools for a compositional reason.

I can propose the following for a competition:

Given a set of pre-defined instruments (ranging from simple synthesis  
and processing units to more advanced DSP) composers must create a  
piece that utilises one or all of the given instruments to create an  
original sound-world. The piece can be made with csound alone and/or  
mixed in a DAW, but no other processing (perhaps with the exception of  
some EQing during the mixing stage). The instruments can be used by  
the composer in different formats, including LADSPA plug-ins, max  
patches, vst plug-ins/instruments or just plane CSD. One of the  
criteria for the jury can be how far have the composers got from the  
generic sound of the instruments...

Just thinking out-loud.

Best,

Peiman

On 11 Jun 2010, at 14:00, Michael Gogins wrote:

> About the jury. I've been to several ICMCs over the years, including
> this year. Every year there are a few good pieces, some years a great
> piece, but there are way too many mediocre or downright bad pieces.
> And, it seems to me that the ICMA people have a narrow take on musical
> style for computer music (though this has been getting very gradually
> better over the years). So, I would suggest that the jury include
> people competent to judge a variety of styles including
> electroacoustic, generative, minimalist, modernist, and various styles
> falling under the umbrella 'electronica' including dub, ambient, etc.
>
> Without going crazy, of course. But pieces that have, or do not have,
> the following should receive unbiased and informed consideration:
> backbeat, tonality, identifiable sounds, samples, etc.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>  wrote:
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Some great suggestions here.
>>
>> Especially love the juried concert and prizes ideas.
>>
>> Adding them to the list.
>>
>> -dB
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 8:49 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:
>>
>>> My suggestions for the Csound conference:
>>>
>>> All pieces that are submitted should be online on the Csound web  
>>> site
>>> (or linked from it) for anyone who wants to hear them. Attendance
>>> should not be required for this to happen.
>>>
>>> There should be at least one formal, juried concert with blind  
>>> judging
>>> by musicians or critics where the focus is primarily on musical
>>> quality. Attendance should not be required for this to happen,  
>>> either.
>>>
>>> The reason we shouldn't care about requiring attendance for music is
>>> that we should care most of all about the quality of the music.
>>>
>>> There should be a few music prizes! I suggest a juried contest and a
>>> popularity contest in each category: fixed media, live electronics,
>>> computer and instrument(s). But not too many prizes or they become
>>> meaningless. I suggest "Vercoe Prize" for the juried contest.
>>>
>>> A CD or audio DVD should be prepared of all juried selections. It is
>>> sufficient, I think, for the recording to be a disk image or
>>> registered with an online music service, but if someone wants to go
>>> crazy we could burn discs, make inserts and covers, register with
>>> music distributors, etc.
>>>
>>> For papers and workshops, somebody has to attend in order to present
>>> the work. I think it is reasonable to request the author to attend,
>>> but not require it; a student or friend should also be acceptable.  
>>> It
>>> should be a requirement that a PDF of the presentation be available
>>> for posting on the Csound web site (or linked from it).
>>>
>>> Finally, one of the most important features, it should be carefully
>>> planned out how the attendees and presenters can spend time eating  
>>> and
>>> drinking together.
>>>
>>> See you there,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well, we have to do it in 2013 then, after the end of the world.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> On 11 Jun 2010, at 13:31, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just some thoughts, but 2011 will be here sooner than we think.  
>>>>> Btw,
>>>>> 2012
>>>>> won't do, the world is scheduled to end then. Of course if you  
>>>>> know the
>>>>> exact date of termination we can always work around it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> http://www.michael-gogins.com
>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>
>>>
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I think a piece is a Csound piece if, and only if, Csound was used to
realize at least some vital parts of the piece. In other words, if you
take out the Csound material, the piece doesn't work.

That's it. It's OK if you COULD have used something else, like
Max/MSP, to make those parts. The point is that Csound WAS used to
make them.

Regards,
Mike

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Peiman Khosravi
 wrote:
> My only question is what makes a csound composition a csound composition?
>
> Does it mean that the piece was entirely  composed (and mixed) in csound?
> Does it mean that at least the sounds were created in csound alone with no
> other processing? Or does it mean that csound was used alongside other
> software?
>
> Or does it mean that it 'sounds' like a csound piece (if there is such a
> thing)? Most pieces which sound like a particular software tend to be (in my
> limited opinion) rather boring. I get people telling me that one of my
> pieces sounded like it was made with csound (in fact I never did an entire
> composition in csound, simply because I can't) and I do not take that as a
> compliment at all!
>
> One of the challenges for a composer is to make the software/hardware
> (including the speakers) as transparent as possible, or else intentionally
> reveal the tools for a compositional reason.
>
> I can propose the following for a competition:
>
> Given a set of pre-defined instruments (ranging from simple synthesis and
> processing units to more advanced DSP) composers must create a piece that
> utilises one or all of the given instruments to create an original
> sound-world. The piece can be made with csound alone and/or mixed in a DAW,
> but no other processing (perhaps with the exception of some EQing during the
> mixing stage). The instruments can be used by the composer in different
> formats, including LADSPA plug-ins, max patches, vst plug-ins/instruments or
> just plane CSD. One of the criteria for the jury can be how far have the
> composers got from the generic sound of the instruments...
>
> Just thinking out-loud.
>
> Best,
>
> Peiman
>
> On 11 Jun 2010, at 14:00, Michael Gogins wrote:
>
>> About the jury. I've been to several ICMCs over the years, including
>> this year. Every year there are a few good pieces, some years a great
>> piece, but there are way too many mediocre or downright bad pieces.
>> And, it seems to me that the ICMA people have a narrow take on musical
>> style for computer music (though this has been getting very gradually
>> better over the years). So, I would suggest that the jury include
>> people competent to judge a variety of styles including
>> electroacoustic, generative, minimalist, modernist, and various styles
>> falling under the umbrella 'electronica' including dub, ambient, etc.
>>
>> Without going crazy, of course. But pieces that have, or do not have,
>> the following should receive unbiased and informed consideration:
>> backbeat, tonality, identifiable sounds, samples, etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Some great suggestions here.
>>>
>>> Especially love the juried concert and prizes ideas.
>>>
>>> Adding them to the list.
>>>
>>> -dB
>>>
>>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 8:49 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:
>>>
>>>> My suggestions for the Csound conference:
>>>>
>>>> All pieces that are submitted should be online on the Csound web site
>>>> (or linked from it) for anyone who wants to hear them. Attendance
>>>> should not be required for this to happen.
>>>>
>>>> There should be at least one formal, juried concert with blind judging
>>>> by musicians or critics where the focus is primarily on musical
>>>> quality. Attendance should not be required for this to happen, either.
>>>>
>>>> The reason we shouldn't care about requiring attendance for music is
>>>> that we should care most of all about the quality of the music.
>>>>
>>>> There should be a few music prizes! I suggest a juried contest and a
>>>> popularity contest in each category: fixed media, live electronics,
>>>> computer and instrument(s). But not too many prizes or they become
>>>> meaningless. I suggest "Vercoe Prize" for the juried contest.
>>>>
>>>> A CD or audio DVD should be prepared of all juried selections. It is
>>>> sufficient, I think, for the recording to be a disk image or
>>>> registered with an online music service, but if someone wants to go
>>>> crazy we could burn discs, make inserts and covers, register with
>>>> music distributors, etc.
>>>>
>>>> For papers and workshops, somebody has to attend in order to present
>>>> the work. I think it is reasonable to request the author to attend,
>>>> but not require it; a student or friend should also be acceptable. It
>>>> should be a requirement that a PDF of the presentation be available
>>>> for posting on the Csound web site (or linked from it).
>>>>
>>>> Finally, one of the most important features, it should be carefully
>>>> planned out how the attendees and presenters can spend time eating and
>>>> drinking together.
>>>>
>>>> See you there,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, we have to do it in 2013 then, after the end of the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 11 Jun 2010, at 13:31, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just some thoughts, but 2011 will be here sooner than we think. Btw,
>>>>>> 2012
>>>>>> won't do, the world is scheduled to end then. Of course if you know
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> exact date of termination we can always work around it.
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More great ideas.  Thanks so much for thinking out loud - and for your  
excellent Csound TOOLS!

-dB

On Jun 11, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Peiman Khosravi wrote:

> My only question is what makes a csound composition a csound  
> composition?
>
> Does it mean that the piece was entirely  composed (and mixed) in  
> csound? Does it mean that at least the sounds were created in csound  
> alone with no other processing? Or does it mean that csound was used  
> alongside other software?
>
> Or does it mean that it 'sounds' like a csound piece (if there is  
> such a thing)? Most pieces which sound like a particular software  
> tend to be (in my limited opinion) rather boring. I get people  
> telling me that one of my pieces sounded like it was made with  
> csound (in fact I never did an entire composition in csound, simply  
> because I can't) and I do not take that as a compliment at all!
>
> One of the challenges for a composer is to make the software/ 
> hardware (including the speakers) as transparent as possible, or  
> else intentionally reveal the tools for a compositional reason.
>
> I can propose the following for a competition:
>
> Given a set of pre-defined instruments (ranging from simple  
> synthesis and processing units to more advanced DSP) composers must  
> create a piece that utilises one or all of the given instruments to  
> create an original sound-world. The piece can be made with csound  
> alone and/or mixed in a DAW, but no other processing (perhaps with  
> the exception of some EQing during the mixing stage). The  
> instruments can be used by the composer in different formats,  
> including LADSPA plug-ins, max patches, vst plug-ins/instruments or  
> just plane CSD. One of the criteria for the jury can be how far have  
> the composers got from the generic sound of the instruments...
>
> Just thinking out-loud.
>
> Best,
>
> Peiman
>
> On 11 Jun 2010, at 14:00, Michael Gogins wrote:
>
>> About the jury. I've been to several ICMCs over the years, including
>> this year. Every year there are a few good pieces, some years a great
>> piece, but there are way too many mediocre or downright bad pieces.
>> And, it seems to me that the ICMA people have a narrow take on  
>> musical
>> style for computer music (though this has been getting very gradually
>> better over the years). So, I would suggest that the jury include
>> people competent to judge a variety of styles including
>> electroacoustic, generative, minimalist, modernist, and various  
>> styles
>> falling under the umbrella 'electronica' including dub, ambient, etc.
>>
>> Without going crazy, of course. But pieces that have, or do not have,
>> the following should receive unbiased and informed consideration:
>> backbeat, tonality, identifiable sounds, samples, etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger
>>  wrote:
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Some great suggestions here.
>>>
>>> Especially love the juried concert and prizes ideas.
>>>
>>> Adding them to the list.
>>>
>>> -dB
>>>
>>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 8:49 AM, Michael Gogins wrote:
>>>
>>>> My suggestions for the Csound conference:
>>>>
>>>> All pieces that are submitted should be online on the Csound web  
>>>> site
>>>> (or linked from it) for anyone who wants to hear them. Attendance
>>>> should not be required for this to happen.
>>>>
>>>> There should be at least one formal, juried concert with blind  
>>>> judging
>>>> by musicians or critics where the focus is primarily on musical
>>>> quality. Attendance should not be required for this to happen,  
>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>> The reason we shouldn't care about requiring attendance for music  
>>>> is
>>>> that we should care most of all about the quality of the music.
>>>>
>>>> There should be a few music prizes! I suggest a juried contest  
>>>> and a
>>>> popularity contest in each category: fixed media, live electronics,
>>>> computer and instrument(s). But not too many prizes or they become
>>>> meaningless. I suggest "Vercoe Prize" for the juried contest.
>>>>
>>>> A CD or audio DVD should be prepared of all juried selections. It  
>>>> is
>>>> sufficient, I think, for the recording to be a disk image or
>>>> registered with an online music service, but if someone wants to go
>>>> crazy we could burn discs, make inserts and covers, register with
>>>> music distributors, etc.
>>>>
>>>> For papers and workshops, somebody has to attend in order to  
>>>> present
>>>> the work. I think it is reasonable to request the author to attend,
>>>> but not require it; a student or friend should also be  
>>>> acceptable. It
>>>> should be a requirement that a PDF of the presentation be available
>>>> for posting on the Csound web site (or linked from it).
>>>>
>>>> Finally, one of the most important features, it should be carefully
>>>> planned out how the attendees and presenters can spend time  
>>>> eating and
>>>> drinking together.
>>>>
>>>> See you there,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, we have to do it in 2013 then, after the end of the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 11 Jun 2010, at 13:31, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just some thoughts, but 2011 will be here sooner than we think.  
>>>>>> Btw,
>>>>>> 2012
>>>>>> won't do, the world is scheduled to end then. Of course if you  
>>>>>> know the
>>>>>> exact date of termination we can always work around it.
>>>>>
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> I can propose the following for a competition:
>
> Given a set of pre-defined instruments (ranging from simple synthesis
> and processing units to more advanced DSP) composers must create a
> piece that utilises one or all of the given instruments to create an
> original sound-world. The piece can be made with csound alone and/or
> mixed in a DAW, but no other processing (perhaps with the exception of
> some EQing during the mixing stage). The instruments can be used by
> the composer in different formats, including LADSPA plug-ins, max
> patches, vst plug-ins/instruments or just plane CSD. One of the
> criteria for the jury can be how far have the composers got from the
> generic sound of the instruments...

+ 1

Stef




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I agree, this is a great plan/strategy.

-dB

On Jun 11, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Stéphane Rollandin wrote:

>> I can propose the following for a competition:
>>
>> Given a set of pre-defined instruments (ranging from simple synthesis
>> and processing units to more advanced DSP) composers must create a
>> piece that utilises one or all of the given instruments to create an
>> original sound-world. The piece can be made with csound alone and/or
>> mixed in a DAW, but no other processing (perhaps with the exception  
>> of
>> some EQing during the mixing stage). The instruments can be used by
>> the composer in different formats, including LADSPA plug-ins, max
>> patches, vst plug-ins/instruments or just plane CSD. One of the
>> criteria for the jury can be how far have the composers got from the
>> generic sound of the instruments...
>
> + 1
>
> Stef
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