[Csnd] [OT] fluid piano... more like a dulcimer
Date | 2009-11-23 19:44 |
From | Victor Lazzarini |
Subject | [Csnd] [OT] fluid piano... more like a dulcimer |
This should interest you microtonalists out there. Interesting idea, but my problem is that it does not sound anything like a piano. I was trying to think what, harpsichord... clavichord... no, then I thought it's like a hammered dulcimer. Nice, but not a piano. |
Date | 2009-11-23 22:27 |
From | Peiman Khosravi |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: [OT] fluid piano... more like a dulcimer |
Yes I agree. Interestingly the pianist lady is complaining about Indian musicians using keyboards with western tuning and yet she is playing conventional western harmonies over an "indian backdrop". The residue of a victorian approach, and what's worse, playing the genuine persona. Sorry but I couldn't keep quite, it's my pet hate, having lived in Iran where many composers have a similar mentality, trying to introduce polyphony and harmony into traditional music: the former rarely goes beyond heterophony and the later steps no further than poorly conceived early romanticism. P On 23 Nov 2009, at 19:44, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
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Date | 2009-11-23 22:30 |
From | Rory Walsh |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Re: [OT] fluid piano... more like a dulcimer |
I imagine that the tension on a traditional piano strings would be too high to be able to do this kind of thing with them. 2009/11/23 Peiman Khosravi |
Date | 2009-11-23 22:37 |
From | Peiman Khosravi |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: [OT] fluid piano... more like a dulcimer |
Yes true. I guess there could be some sort of motorized mechanism for tuning the strings though. But it would be noisy in the case. P On 23 Nov 2009, at 22:30, Rory Walsh wrote: > I imagine that the tension on a traditional piano strings would be too > high to be able to do this kind of thing with them. > > 2009/11/23 Peiman Khosravi |
Date | 2009-11-23 23:01 |
From | "Joe O'Farrell" |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: [OT] fluid piano... more like a dulcimer |
Digging a little deeper, turns out that the hammer dulcimer is actually Geoff Smith's main interest - so perhaps it's not so surprising http://www.dulcimer.co.uk/biog.htm Joe www.joeofarrell.com Send bugs reports to this list. To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" |
Date | 2009-11-24 12:34 | |
From | cameron bobro | |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: [OT] fluid piano... more like a dulcimer | |
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Date | 2009-11-24 13:11 | |
From | Michael Gogins | |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Re: [OT] fluid piano... more like a dulcimer | |
Fantastic work in that instrument... very significant. It's true it does not sound like a grand piano, but it is a polyphonic keyboard, and that is what is significant. If there is any possibility of a long term development in alternative tuning systems in harmonic/chordal styles, a true hybrid of east and west, instruments like this are an absolute pre-requisite. Obviously this kind of thing is something we do in Csound all the time, I have done some work with just intonation myself, but it is very important to do it with physical instruments. It is even more important to develop the musical styles with integrity. For my part I would like to investigate the mathematical music theory of voice-leading and chord progression operators in spaces with alternative tuning systems, especially ones that both support alternative tunings and some concept of modulation. I'm interested both in systems of modulation based on concepts from Arabic music (maqam-based), and on systems of modulation where fifths are not tempered and so generate a spiral instead of a circle. For what it is worth, one can always use the Pianoteq VST plugin, which is an excellent physically modeled piano. I wouldn't use it for Chopin if I had a Steinway, but it's a real musical instrument, it does sound like a grand piano (not to mention other things as well), and it does have very good support for alternative tuning systems. Thanks for the link, Mike On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:34 AM, cameron bobro <misterbobro@yahoo.com> wrote:
-- Michael Gogins Irreducible Productions http://www.michael-gogins.com Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com |
Date | 2009-11-24 13:23 |
From | Victor Lazzarini |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: [OT] fluid piano... more like a dulcimer |
There is some recent work on that area by Sethares, Milne et al that looks interesting from a theory point of view. when I find the links, I'll post here. Victor On 24 Nov 2009, at 13:11, Michael Gogins wrote:
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Date | 2009-11-24 14:06 | ||
From | cameron bobro | ||
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: [OT] fluid piano... more like a dulcimer | ||
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