[Csnd] Cell phone Csound

[Csnd] Cell phone Csound

Date	2009-11-24 14:40
From	Michael Gogins
Subject	[Csnd] Cell phone Csound
	I note that for Android phones, there is a native development kit (NDK) enabling the use of C and C++ code on Android phones. I will investigate further. Because Csound has a Java API, it probably is possible to produce a fairly complete Csound port for the Android phones. Or, as I suggested npreviously, native Csound could be scripted with Lua right on the phone. The phones would of course run more slowly than any desktop or notebook, so perhaps we should think about a facility for running Csound on a server (for those who have fixed IP addresses) from scripts and Csound files generated on phones, and returning audio to the phone either in real time or as soundfiles. I expect that fairly interesting real-time apps could be developed to perform Csound scripts on phones, thus turning them into actual instruments, especially because they have motion and orientation sensors; a reasonably sophisticated software instrument could probably run on a phone in real time, even if only with a few voices. -- Michael Gogins Irreducible Productions http://www.michael-gogins.com Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel

Date	2009-11-24 14:53
From	chris kummerer
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] Cell phone Csound
	re Michael, I read: > I note that for Android phones, there is a native development kit > (NDK) enabling the use of C and C++ code on Android phones. at last! > I will > investigate further. Because Csound has a Java API, it probably is > possible to produce a fairly complete Csound port for the Android > phones. please correct me if I'm wrong but so far all the actual android phones I found lack an FPU ... regards, x -- chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.net) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net

Date	2009-11-24 16:35
From	Steven Yi
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] Cell phone Csound
	Last I looked at the NDK, there were limitations on what libraries were being included. It looks like the 1.6r1 NDK has included a few more things: * libc (C library) headers * libm (math library) headers * JNI interface headers * libz (Zlib compression) headers * liblog (Android logging) header * OpenGL ES 1.1 (3D graphics library) headers * A Minimal set of headers for C++ support I imagine floating point will be slow but haven't seen any metrics on it. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:53 AM, chris kummerer wrote: > re Michael, > > I read: >> I note that for Android phones, there is a native development kit >> (NDK) enabling the use of C and C++ code on Android phones. > > at last! > >> I will >> investigate further. Because Csound has a Java API, it probably is >> possible to produce a fairly complete Csound port for the Android >> phones. > > please correct me if I'm wrong but so far all the actual android > phones I found lack an FPU ... > > regards, > > x > > -- > chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better > http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.net) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Csound-devel mailing list > Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net

Date	2009-11-24 17:04
From	Felipe Sateler
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] Cell phone Csound
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	How hard would it be to use integer for internal processing? Very? On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 11:35 -0500, Steven Yi wrote: > Last I looked at the NDK, there were limitations on what libraries > were being included. It looks like the 1.6r1 NDK has included a few > more things: > > * libc (C library) headers > * libm (math library) headers > * JNI interface headers > * libz (Zlib compression) headers > * liblog (Android logging) header > * OpenGL ES 1.1 (3D graphics library) headers > * A Minimal set of headers for C++ support > > I imagine floating point will be slow but haven't seen any metrics on it. > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:53 AM, chris kummerer wrote: > > re Michael, > > > > I read: > >> I note that for Android phones, there is a native development kit > >> (NDK) enabling the use of C and C++ code on Android phones. > > > > at last! > > > >> I will > >> investigate further. Because Csound has a Java API, it probably is > >> possible to produce a fairly complete Csound port for the Android > >> phones. > > > > please correct me if I'm wrong but so far all the actual android > > phones I found lack an FPU ... > > > > regards, > > > > x > > > > -- > > chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better > > http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.net) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > > _______________________________________________ > > Csound-devel mailing list > > Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Csound-devel mailing list > Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel -- Saludos, Felipe Sateler

Date	2009-11-24 17:09
From	Michael Gogins
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] Cell phone Csound
	I'm trying to figure this out for my own phone, the MyTouch 3G (aka HTC Magic or Sapphire). The ARM1136 CPU that the phone uses has an optional FPU. I'm trying to figure out if the phone contains the optional FPU or not. Regards, Mike On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:53 AM, chris kummerer wrote: > re Michael, > > I read: >> I note that for Android phones, there is a native development kit >> (NDK) enabling the use of C and C++ code on Android phones. > > at last! > >> I will >> investigate further. Because Csound has a Java API, it probably is >> possible to produce a fairly complete Csound port for the Android >> phones. > > please correct me if I'm wrong but so far all the actual android > phones I found lack an FPU ... > > regards, > > x > > -- > chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better > http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.net) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Csound-devel mailing list > Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > -- Michael Gogins Irreducible Productions http://www.michael-gogins.com Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net

Date	2009-11-24 17:25
From	Michael Gogins
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] Cell phone Csound
	Very. Mike On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Felipe Sateler wrote: > How hard would it be to use integer for internal processing? Very? > > On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 11:35 -0500, Steven Yi wrote: >> Last I looked at the NDK, there were limitations on what libraries >> were being included. It looks like the 1.6r1 NDK has included a few >> more things: >> >> * libc (C library) headers >> * libm (math library) headers >> * JNI interface headers >> * libz (Zlib compression) headers >> * liblog (Android logging) header >> * OpenGL ES 1.1 (3D graphics library) headers >> * A Minimal set of headers for C++ support >> >> I imagine floating point will be slow but haven't seen any metrics on it. >> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:53 AM, chris kummerer wrote: >> > re Michael, >> > >> > I read: >> >> I note that for Android phones, there is a native development kit >> >> (NDK) enabling the use of C and C++ code on Android phones. >> > >> > at last! >> > >> >> I will >> >> investigate further. Because Csound has a Java API, it probably is >> >> possible to produce a fairly complete Csound port for the Android >> >> phones. >> > >> > please correct me if I'm wrong but so far all the actual android >> > phones I found lack an FPU ... >> > >> > regards, >> > >> > x >> > >> > -- >> > chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better >> > http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.net) >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day >> > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on >> > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Csound-devel mailing list >> > Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> Csound-devel mailing list >> Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > > > -- > Saludos, > Felipe Sateler > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Csound-devel mailing list > Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > > -- Michael Gogins Irreducible Productions http://www.michael-gogins.com Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net

Date	2009-11-24 17:27
From	Michael Gogins
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] Cell phone Csound
	I should add, the "bionic" libc that the NDK contains will automatically use the FPU, if it exists, if the code is built for "soft" float. I'd bet that whether or not MY phone has an FPU, or my wife's more recent Eris phone has an FPU, the next one I get in a year or so definitely will have an FPU and the NDK will support it. Regards, Mike On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Michael Gogins wrote: > I'm trying to figure this out for my own phone, the MyTouch 3G (aka > HTC Magic or Sapphire). The ARM1136 CPU that the phone uses has an > optional FPU. I'm trying to figure out if the phone contains the > optional FPU or not. > > Regards, > Mike > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:53 AM, chris kummerer wrote: >> re Michael, >> >> I read: >>> I note that for Android phones, there is a native development kit >>> (NDK) enabling the use of C and C++ code on Android phones. >> >> at last! >> >>> I will >>> investigate further. Because Csound has a Java API, it probably is >>> possible to produce a fairly complete Csound port for the Android >>> phones. >> >> please correct me if I'm wrong but so far all the actual android >> phones I found lack an FPU ... >> >> regards, >> >> x >> >> -- >> chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better >> http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.net) >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day >> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on >> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >> _______________________________________________ >> Csound-devel mailing list >> Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel >> > > > > -- > Michael Gogins > Irreducible Productions > http://www.michael-gogins.com > Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com > -- Michael Gogins Irreducible Productions http://www.michael-gogins.com Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net

Date	2009-11-24 17:36
From	Steven Yi
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] Cell phone Csound
	That's great news! I'll be very interested to see how well this performs when it can be compiled! On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Michael Gogins wrote: > I should add, the "bionic" libc that the NDK contains will > automatically use the FPU, if it exists, if the code is built for > "soft" float. > > I'd bet that whether or not MY phone has an FPU, or my wife's more > recent Eris phone has an FPU, the next one I get in a year or so > definitely will have an FPU and the NDK will support it. > > Regards, > Mike > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Michael Gogins > wrote: >> I'm trying to figure this out for my own phone, the MyTouch 3G (aka >> HTC Magic or Sapphire). The ARM1136 CPU that the phone uses has an >> optional FPU. I'm trying to figure out if the phone contains the >> optional FPU or not. >> >> Regards, >> Mike >> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:53 AM, chris kummerer wrote: >>> re Michael, >>> >>> I read: >>>> I note that for Android phones, there is a native development kit >>>> (NDK) enabling the use of C and C++ code on Android phones. >>> >>> at last! >>> >>>> I will >>>> investigate further. Because Csound has a Java API, it probably is >>>> possible to produce a fairly complete Csound port for the Android >>>> phones. >>> >>> please correct me if I'm wrong but so far all the actual android >>> phones I found lack an FPU ... >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> x >>> >>> -- >>> chris@lo-res.org Postmodernism is german romanticism with better >>> http://pilot.fm/ special effects. (Jeff Keuss / via ctheory.net) >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day >>> trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on >>> what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with >>> Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Csound-devel mailing list >>> Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Michael Gogins >> Irreducible Productions >> http://www.michael-gogins.com >> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com >> > > > > -- > Michael Gogins > Irreducible Productions > http://www.michael-gogins.com > Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day > trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on > what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with > Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july > _______________________________________________ > Csound-devel mailing list > Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/csound-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net

Date	2009-11-24 19:11
From	Brian Redfern
Subject	[Csnd] Re: Cell phone Csound
	I would bet that most of the OLPC subset could run on at least some android devices, my moto droid has a 550 mghz processor, so its not much slower than the OLPC. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Michael Gogins wrote: > I note that for Android phones, there is a native development kit > (NDK) enabling the use of C and C++ code on Android phones. I will > investigate further. Because Csound has a Java API, it probably is > possible to produce a fairly complete Csound port for the Android > phones. > > Or, as I suggested npreviously, native Csound could be scripted with > Lua right on the phone. > > The phones would of course run more slowly than any desktop or > notebook, so perhaps we should think about a facility for running > Csound on a server (for those who have fixed IP addresses) from > scripts and Csound files generated on phones, and returning audio to > the phone either in real time or as soundfiles. > > I expect that fairly interesting real-time apps could be developed to > perform Csound scripts on phones, thus turning them into actual > instruments, especially because they have motion and orientation > sensors; a reasonably sophisticated software instrument could probably > run on a phone in real time, even if only with a few voices. > > -- > Michael Gogins > Irreducible Productions > http://www.michael-gogins.com > Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com > > > Send bugs reports to this list. > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" > Send bugs reports to this list. To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2009-11-24 19:30
From	Erik de Castro Lopo
Subject	Re: [Cs-dev] Cell phone Csound
	Michael Gogins wrote: > I note that for Android phones, there is a native development kit > (NDK) enabling the use of C and C++ code on Android phones. Another possibilty is the Palm Pre which seems a little more open than the Android phones. The Palm Pre comes with libsndfile version 1.0.17 pre-installed (as a shared library). Erik -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july _______________________________________________ Csound-devel mailing list Csound-devel@lists.sourceforge.net