I don't know but would love to see this instrument. :)

On 11/24/09, Rene Djack  wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd" with GUI
> in Qutecsound.
> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example included in the
> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>
> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in library
> are protected by a licence,
> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for commercial
> purpose" (?)
>
> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>
> Does someone have any ideas?
>
> Best,
> René
>
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AIUI, it cannot be distributed with qutecsound because the LGPL does not
allow further restrictions (like non-commercial licenses).

On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 19:12 +0100, Rene Djack wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd" with
> GUI in Qutecsound.
> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example included
> in the Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
> 
> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in
> library are protected by a licence, 
> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for
> commercial purpose" (?)
> 
> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
> 
> Does someone have any ideas?
> 
> Best,
> René 
>   


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Hi,

I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique which
is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing list
can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want with
it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of the
procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is the
one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like why
lame doesn't distribute binaries).
So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list, and I
would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.

I would also like to see it too...

Cheers,
Andrés

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd" with GUI
> in Qutecsound.
> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example included in the
> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>
> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in library
> are protected by a licence,
> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for commercial
> purpose" (?)
>
> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>
> Does someone have any ideas?
>
> Best,
> René
>
>



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Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have posted
other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are used, which
I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not seeing an
issue.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique which
> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing list
> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want with
> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of the
> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is the
> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like why
> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list, and I
> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>
> I would also like to see it too...
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd" with GUI
>> in Qutecsound.
>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example included in the
>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>>
>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in library
>> are protected by a licence,
>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for commercial
>> purpose" (?)
>>
>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>>
>> Does someone have any ideas?
>>
>> Best,
>> René
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Andrés
>
>
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Ah man, this got me thinking about my GRM tools modeled frequency  
warping instrument. I haven't checked if it's patented or not :-0

P

On 24 Nov 2009, at 19:13, Steven Yi wrote:

> Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have posted
> other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
> instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are used, which
> I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not seeing an
> issue.
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera  
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
>> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
>> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique which
>> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
>> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing  
>> list
>> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
>> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want with
>> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of the
>> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
>> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is the
>> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like why
>> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
>> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list,  
>> and I
>> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
>> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>>
>> I would also like to see it too...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrés
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack   
>> wrote:
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd"  
>>> with GUI
>>> in Qutecsound.
>>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example  
>>> included in the
>>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>>>
>>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in  
>>> library
>>> are protected by a licence,
>>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for  
>>> commercial
>>> purpose" (?)
>>>
>>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>>>
>>> Does someone have any ideas?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> René
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Andrés
>>
>>
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Even if it's patented, doing code for it should be perfectly legal
(disclaimer IANAL), as long as what you make is not a binary that can
be readily used.

Cheers,
Andrés

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Peiman Khosravi
 wrote:
> Ah man, this got me thinking about my GRM tools modeled frequency warping
> instrument. I haven't checked if it's patented or not :-0
>
> P
>
> On 24 Nov 2009, at 19:13, Steven Yi wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have posted
>> other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
>> instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are used, which
>> I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not seeing an
>> issue.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
>>> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
>>> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique which
>>> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
>>> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing list
>>> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
>>> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want with
>>> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of the
>>> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
>>> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is the
>>> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like why
>>> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
>>> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list, and I
>>> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
>>> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>>>
>>> I would also like to see it too...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andrés
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi list,
>>>>
>>>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd" with
>>>> GUI
>>>> in Qutecsound.
>>>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example included in
>>>> the
>>>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>>>>
>>>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in
>>>> library
>>>> are protected by a licence,
>>>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for commercial
>>>> purpose" (?)
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>>>>
>>>> Does someone have any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrés
>>>
>>>
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Almost all commercial software is protected by copyright, which
protects only "expression of an idea," not the actual idea. That is
why reverse engineering is legal. You see what the software does, you
understand the idea of how it works, and you re-express that idea in
your own code without copying any of the copyrighted code. You are OK.
Open source and free software licenses are concerned mainly with
copyright, as far as I know. Generally, for commercial software, the
copyright holder tries to hide the actual idea so nobody else can use
it (which is why you never see Microsoft's source code, for example).

Some software is protected by patent, which protects the actual idea
(and therefore all expressions of that idea).

Copyright protection just happens; when you write something down,
paint it, code it, record it, it automatically is copyrighted by you
(or your employer, if that's what your contract says). Software
licenses define what that copyright means to the user. The copyright
owner gets to define the license terms.

Patent doesn't happen, you have to apply for a patent and show what
your idea is, more or less how it works, and prove it is original.
This takes all kinds of work. So while copyrights are usually free or
cheap to obtain, patents are expensive indeed.

Both of these systems are terribly broken these days. The motive for
both was explicitly stated by kings, members of parliaments, the
congress, etc., "to encourage innovation" by rewarding innovators for
a limited time. Corporations have increasingly come to own both
copyrights and patents, and they have lobbied to extend the term of
copyright beyond all reason. It is reasonable for copyright to last
during the life of the original creator - he or she can scarcely be
rewarded after he or she has died. But the term of copyright has been
extended to 100 years or so, which is 4 times the original term of 25
years.

Patents also are broken, or rather it has become apparent that the
concept of patent is founded upon a mistake. Patent are supposed to be
for "ideas" but not for "mathematical theorems". The existence of
computer programs arguably proves that this distinction is bogus. A
computer program seems to be a theorem (proof that the various actions
of the computer are logical consequences of the code) and to express
an idea (the algorithm implemented by the program) at the same time.
It is probably a mistake to permit computer programs or algorithms to
be patented; in some cases the programs are simply translations of
actual mathematical theorems into code (e.g., I have algorithmic
composition software that translates theorems of mathematical music
theory directly into code).

I don't know what to do, frankly. It would be a terrible shame if
copyright owners could not be protected. The financial incentive for
recording original music would pretty much evaporate. But this is what
is happening. Musicians increasingly make all their money from touring
because the profits from recordings are simply boiling away under the
heat, not only of illegal copying, but of lowering prices to compete
with illegal and legal but free music.

I also think there does need to be some form of patent. The stakes are
very high. There is little doubt that patent and copyright law have
both encouraged the investment of truly substantial sums and efforts
in both artistic production (think movies, music recordings) and in
research and development.

Ultimately patent law promoted the invention of computer music itself,
since Max Mathews was employed at Bell Labs, which was ultimately
working for profits that would be protected by patent law, even if
computer music algorithms themselves were never patented.

Help!...

Regards,
Mike



On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have posted
> other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
> instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are used, which
> I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not seeing an
> issue.
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
>> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
>> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique which
>> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
>> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing list
>> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
>> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want with
>> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of the
>> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
>> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is the
>> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like why
>> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
>> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list, and I
>> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
>> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>>
>> I would also like to see it too...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrés
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd" with GUI
>>> in Qutecsound.
>>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example included in the
>>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>>>
>>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in library
>>> are protected by a licence,
>>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for commercial
>>> purpose" (?)
>>>
>>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>>>
>>> Does someone have any ideas?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> René
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Andrés
>>
>>
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Hi Rene,

That's very nice. I plan to add preset handling to QuteCsound to save
writing the code in Csound, which is ugly and error prone. When I do
that, can I add your synth to the examples?

Cheers,
Andrés

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
> Thanks for your advice,
>
> < Csound>>
>
> Yes, i looked in details the instrument structure, but i also did some
> input/output audio measurements to emulate some "opcode" (like filters) with
> csound.
>
> I do that only for fun and to learn better csound and Qutecsound.
>
> I include the Steam_pipe.zip file, critics are welcome!
>
> Best,
> René
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/11/24 Peiman Khosravi 
>>
>> Ah man, this got me thinking about my GRM tools modeled frequency warping
>> instrument. I haven't checked if it's patented or not :-0
>>
>> P
>>
>> On 24 Nov 2009, at 19:13, Steven Yi wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have posted
>>> other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
>>> instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are used, which
>>> I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not seeing an
>>> issue.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
>>>> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
>>>> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique which
>>>> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
>>>> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing list
>>>> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
>>>> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want with
>>>> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of the
>>>> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
>>>> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is the
>>>> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like why
>>>> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
>>>> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list, and I
>>>> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
>>>> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>>>>
>>>> I would also like to see it too...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Andrés
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd" with
>>>>> GUI
>>>>> in Qutecsound.
>>>>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example included in
>>>>> the
>>>>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>>>>>
>>>>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in
>>>>> library
>>>>> are protected by a licence,
>>>>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for
>>>>> commercial
>>>>> purpose" (?)
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does someone have any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> René
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Andrés
>>>>
>>>>
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Hi,

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
> Hi Andrés,
>
> I am happy to contribute, feel free to improve it, this synth belongs to
> list now :)
>
> Preset handling by QuteCsound will be wonderful, i am impatient to test.
> and thanks for the Inspector a very useful tool for long csd.
>

It's still some time away, but some of the ground work has been done.

Cheers,
Andrés

> Cheers,
> René
>
>
>
> 2009/11/25 Andres Cabrera 
>>
>> Hi Rene,
>>
>> That's very nice. I plan to add preset handling to QuteCsound to save
>> writing the code in Csound, which is ugly and error prone. When I do
>> that, can I add your synth to the examples?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrés
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
>> > Thanks for your advice,
>> >
>> > <> > Csound>>
>> >
>> > Yes, i looked in details the instrument structure, but i also did some
>> > input/output audio measurements to emulate some "opcode" (like filters)
>> > with
>> > csound.
>> >
>> > I do that only for fun and to learn better csound and Qutecsound.
>> >
>> > I include the Steam_pipe.zip file, critics are welcome!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > René
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2009/11/24 Peiman Khosravi 
>> >>
>> >> Ah man, this got me thinking about my GRM tools modeled frequency
>> >> warping
>> >> instrument. I haven't checked if it's patented or not :-0
>> >>
>> >> P
>> >>
>> >> On 24 Nov 2009, at 19:13, Steven Yi wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have posted
>> >>> other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
>> >>> instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are used, which
>> >>> I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not seeing an
>> >>> issue.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera
>> >>> 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
>> >>>> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
>> >>>> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique which
>> >>>> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
>> >>>> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing
>> >>>> list
>> >>>> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
>> >>>> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want with
>> >>>> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of the
>> >>>> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
>> >>>> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is the
>> >>>> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like why
>> >>>> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
>> >>>> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list, and
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
>> >>>> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would also like to see it too...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Cheers,
>> >>>> Andrés
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack 
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi list,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd"
>> >>>>> with
>> >>>>> GUI
>> >>>>> in Qutecsound.
>> >>>>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example included
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in
>> >>>>> library
>> >>>>> are protected by a licence,
>> >>>>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for
>> >>>>> commercial
>> >>>>> purpose" (?)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Does someone have any ideas?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best,
>> >>>>> René
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Andrés
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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I took a look at this yesterday but had problems running it, but I may
have an older QuteCsound (running whatever version came with 5.11.1-d
installer). I was able to open it up and look at QuteCsound with some
depth: nice job all!  I'd be interested to see this work out of the
box as an example so I could try it here. :)

Thanks Rene for posting!

steven

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
> Hi Andrés,
>
> I am happy to contribute, feel free to improve it, this synth belongs to
> list now :)
>
> Preset handling by QuteCsound will be wonderful, i am impatient to test.
> and thanks for the Inspector a very useful tool for long csd.
>
> Cheers,
> René
>
>
>
> 2009/11/25 Andres Cabrera 
>>
>> Hi Rene,
>>
>> That's very nice. I plan to add preset handling to QuteCsound to save
>> writing the code in Csound, which is ugly and error prone. When I do
>> that, can I add your synth to the examples?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrés
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
>> > Thanks for your advice,
>> >
>> > <> > Csound>>
>> >
>> > Yes, i looked in details the instrument structure, but i also did some
>> > input/output audio measurements to emulate some "opcode" (like filters)
>> > with
>> > csound.
>> >
>> > I do that only for fun and to learn better csound and Qutecsound.
>> >
>> > I include the Steam_pipe.zip file, critics are welcome!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > René
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2009/11/24 Peiman Khosravi 
>> >>
>> >> Ah man, this got me thinking about my GRM tools modeled frequency
>> >> warping
>> >> instrument. I haven't checked if it's patented or not :-0
>> >>
>> >> P
>> >>
>> >> On 24 Nov 2009, at 19:13, Steven Yi wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have posted
>> >>> other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
>> >>> instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are used, which
>> >>> I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not seeing an
>> >>> issue.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera
>> >>> 
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
>> >>>> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
>> >>>> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique which
>> >>>> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
>> >>>> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing
>> >>>> list
>> >>>> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
>> >>>> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want with
>> >>>> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of the
>> >>>> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
>> >>>> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is the
>> >>>> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like why
>> >>>> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
>> >>>> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list, and
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
>> >>>> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would also like to see it too...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Cheers,
>> >>>> Andrés
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack 
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi list,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd"
>> >>>>> with
>> >>>>> GUI
>> >>>>> in Qutecsound.
>> >>>>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example included
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in
>> >>>>> library
>> >>>>> are protected by a licence,
>> >>>>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for
>> >>>>> commercial
>> >>>>> purpose" (?)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Does someone have any ideas?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best,
>> >>>>> René
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Andrés
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> >>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>> >>>> "unsubscribe
>> >>>> csound"
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Send bugs reports to this list.
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>> >>> "unsubscribe
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>>
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>>
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Hi Steven,

What problems did you have? Your version is not that old, so it should
at least run...

Cheers,
Andrés

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Steven Yi  wrote:
> I took a look at this yesterday but had problems running it, but I may
> have an older QuteCsound (running whatever version came with 5.11.1-d
> installer). I was able to open it up and look at QuteCsound with some
> depth: nice job all!  I'd be interested to see this work out of the
> box as an example so I could try it here. :)
>
> Thanks Rene for posting!
>
> steven
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
>> Hi Andrés,
>>
>> I am happy to contribute, feel free to improve it, this synth belongs to
>> list now :)
>>
>> Preset handling by QuteCsound will be wonderful, i am impatient to test.
>> and thanks for the Inspector a very useful tool for long csd.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> René
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/11/25 Andres Cabrera 
>>>
>>> Hi Rene,
>>>
>>> That's very nice. I plan to add preset handling to QuteCsound to save
>>> writing the code in Csound, which is ugly and error prone. When I do
>>> that, can I add your synth to the examples?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andrés
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
>>> > Thanks for your advice,
>>> >
>>> > <>> > Csound>>
>>> >
>>> > Yes, i looked in details the instrument structure, but i also did some
>>> > input/output audio measurements to emulate some "opcode" (like filters)
>>> > with
>>> > csound.
>>> >
>>> > I do that only for fun and to learn better csound and Qutecsound.
>>> >
>>> > I include the Steam_pipe.zip file, critics are welcome!
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > René
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2009/11/24 Peiman Khosravi 
>>> >>
>>> >> Ah man, this got me thinking about my GRM tools modeled frequency
>>> >> warping
>>> >> instrument. I haven't checked if it's patented or not :-0
>>> >>
>>> >> P
>>> >>
>>> >> On 24 Nov 2009, at 19:13, Steven Yi wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have posted
>>> >>> other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
>>> >>> instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are used, which
>>> >>> I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not seeing an
>>> >>> issue.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
>>> >>>> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
>>> >>>> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique which
>>> >>>> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
>>> >>>> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing
>>> >>>> list
>>> >>>> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
>>> >>>> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want with
>>> >>>> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of the
>>> >>>> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
>>> >>>> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is the
>>> >>>> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like why
>>> >>>> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
>>> >>>> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list, and
>>> >>>> I
>>> >>>> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
>>> >>>> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I would also like to see it too...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Cheers,
>>> >>>> Andrés
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack 
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hi list,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd"
>>> >>>>> with
>>> >>>>> GUI
>>> >>>>> in Qutecsound.
>>> >>>>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example included
>>> >>>>> in
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in
>>> >>>>> library
>>> >>>>> are protected by a licence,
>>> >>>>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for
>>> >>>>> commercial
>>> >>>>> purpose" (?)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Does someone have any ideas?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best,
>>> >>>>> René
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Andrés
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
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>>> >>>
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Well, I was running with the virtual keyboard, which I guess may be
the primary reason.  I set QuteCsound to run with thread and without
but after closing virtual keyboard QuteCsound would crash.  Thoughts?

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
> Hi Steven,
>
> What problems did you have? Your version is not that old, so it should
> at least run...
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>> I took a look at this yesterday but had problems running it, but I may
>> have an older QuteCsound (running whatever version came with 5.11.1-d
>> installer). I was able to open it up and look at QuteCsound with some
>> depth: nice job all!  I'd be interested to see this work out of the
>> box as an example so I could try it here. :)
>>
>> Thanks Rene for posting!
>>
>> steven
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
>>> Hi Andrés,
>>>
>>> I am happy to contribute, feel free to improve it, this synth belongs to
>>> list now :)
>>>
>>> Preset handling by QuteCsound will be wonderful, i am impatient to test.
>>> and thanks for the Inspector a very useful tool for long csd.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> René
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/11/25 Andres Cabrera 
>>>>
>>>> Hi Rene,
>>>>
>>>> That's very nice. I plan to add preset handling to QuteCsound to save
>>>> writing the code in Csound, which is ugly and error prone. When I do
>>>> that, can I add your synth to the examples?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Andrés
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
>>>> > Thanks for your advice,
>>>> >
>>>> > <>>> > Csound>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Yes, i looked in details the instrument structure, but i also did some
>>>> > input/output audio measurements to emulate some "opcode" (like filters)
>>>> > with
>>>> > csound.
>>>> >
>>>> > I do that only for fun and to learn better csound and Qutecsound.
>>>> >
>>>> > I include the Steam_pipe.zip file, critics are welcome!
>>>> >
>>>> > Best,
>>>> > René
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 2009/11/24 Peiman Khosravi 
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ah man, this got me thinking about my GRM tools modeled frequency
>>>> >> warping
>>>> >> instrument. I haven't checked if it's patented or not :-0
>>>> >>
>>>> >> P
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 24 Nov 2009, at 19:13, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have posted
>>>> >>> other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
>>>> >>> instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are used, which
>>>> >>> I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not seeing an
>>>> >>> issue.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera
>>>> >>> 
>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Hi,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
>>>> >>>> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
>>>> >>>> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique which
>>>> >>>> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
>>>> >>>> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing
>>>> >>>> list
>>>> >>>> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
>>>> >>>> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want with
>>>> >>>> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of the
>>>> >>>> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
>>>> >>>> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is the
>>>> >>>> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like why
>>>> >>>> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
>>>> >>>> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list, and
>>>> >>>> I
>>>> >>>> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
>>>> >>>> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I would also like to see it too...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Cheers,
>>>> >>>> Andrés
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack 
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Hi list,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd"
>>>> >>>>> with
>>>> >>>>> GUI
>>>> >>>>> in Qutecsound.
>>>> >>>>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example included
>>>> >>>>> in
>>>> >>>>> the
>>>> >>>>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in
>>>> >>>>> library
>>>> >>>>> are protected by a licence,
>>>> >>>>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for
>>>> >>>>> commercial
>>>> >>>>> purpose" (?)
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Does someone have any ideas?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best,
>>>> >>>>> René
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> --
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Andrés
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
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>>>> >>>> "unsubscribe
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>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>>>>
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Hi Rene,
I think it could be a problem to call your instrument steam_pipe, 
because the name is probably (99%) protected by NI, and they have very 
strict lawyers..

Best,
Alex

Andres Cabrera schrieb:
> Hi Rene,
>
> That's very nice. I plan to add preset handling to QuteCsound to save
> writing the code in Csound, which is ugly and error prone. When I do
> that, can I add your synth to the examples?
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
>   
>> Thanks for your advice,
>>
>> <> Csound>>
>>
>> Yes, i looked in details the instrument structure, but i also did some
>> input/output audio measurements to emulate some "opcode" (like filters) with
>> csound.
>>
>> I do that only for fun and to learn better csound and Qutecsound.
>>
>> I include the Steam_pipe.zip file, critics are welcome!
>>
>> Best,
>> René
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/11/24 Peiman Khosravi 
>>     
>>> Ah man, this got me thinking about my GRM tools modeled frequency warping
>>> instrument. I haven't checked if it's patented or not :-0
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>> On 24 Nov 2009, at 19:13, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have posted
>>>> other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
>>>> instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are used, which
>>>> I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not seeing an
>>>> issue.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
>>>>> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
>>>>> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique which
>>>>> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
>>>>> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing list
>>>>> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
>>>>> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want with
>>>>> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of the
>>>>> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
>>>>> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is the
>>>>> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like why
>>>>> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
>>>>> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list, and I
>>>>> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
>>>>> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also like to see it too...
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd" with
>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>> in Qutecsound.
>>>>>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example included in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in
>>>>>> library
>>>>>> are protected by a licence,
>>>>>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for
>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>> purpose" (?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does someone have any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> René
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Yeah, probably should just change name and remove reference to Reaktor
on the UI.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Alex Hofmann  wrote:
> Hi Rene,
> I think it could be a problem to call your instrument steam_pipe, because
> the name is probably (99%) protected by NI, and they have very strict
> lawyers..
>
> Best,
> Alex
>
> Andres Cabrera schrieb:
>>
>> Hi Rene,
>>
>> That's very nice. I plan to add preset handling to QuteCsound to save
>> writing the code in Csound, which is ugly and error prone. When I do
>> that, can I add your synth to the examples?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrés
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your advice,
>>>
>>> <>> Csound>>
>>>
>>> Yes, i looked in details the instrument structure, but i also did some
>>> input/output audio measurements to emulate some "opcode" (like filters)
>>> with
>>> csound.
>>>
>>> I do that only for fun and to learn better csound and Qutecsound.
>>>
>>> I include the Steam_pipe.zip file, critics are welcome!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> René
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/11/24 Peiman Khosravi 
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ah man, this got me thinking about my GRM tools modeled frequency
>>>> warping
>>>> instrument. I haven't checked if it's patented or not :-0
>>>>
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>> On 24 Nov 2009, at 19:13, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have posted
>>>>> other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
>>>>> instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are used, which
>>>>> I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not seeing an
>>>>> issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
>>>>>> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
>>>>>> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique which
>>>>>> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
>>>>>> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing list
>>>>>> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
>>>>>> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want with
>>>>>> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of the
>>>>>> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
>>>>>> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is the
>>>>>> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like why
>>>>>> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
>>>>>> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list, and I
>>>>>> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
>>>>>> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would also like to see it too...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd"
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>> in Qutecsound.
>>>>>>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example included
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in
>>>>>>> library
>>>>>>> are protected by a licence,
>>>>>>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for
>>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>>> purpose" (?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does someone have any ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> René
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Recent changes have apparently fixed the usage of virtual keyboard on
OS X. Can you confirm Joachim?

Yes, of course the name would have to change...

Cheers,
Andrés

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Yeah, probably should just change name and remove reference to Reaktor
> on the UI.
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Alex Hofmann  wrote:
>> Hi Rene,
>> I think it could be a problem to call your instrument steam_pipe, because
>> the name is probably (99%) protected by NI, and they have very strict
>> lawyers..
>>
>> Best,
>> Alex
>>
>> Andres Cabrera schrieb:
>>>
>>> Hi Rene,
>>>
>>> That's very nice. I plan to add preset handling to QuteCsound to save
>>> writing the code in Csound, which is ugly and error prone. When I do
>>> that, can I add your synth to the examples?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andrés
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Rene Djack  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your advice,
>>>>
>>>> <>>> Csound>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, i looked in details the instrument structure, but i also did some
>>>> input/output audio measurements to emulate some "opcode" (like filters)
>>>> with
>>>> csound.
>>>>
>>>> I do that only for fun and to learn better csound and Qutecsound.
>>>>
>>>> I include the Steam_pipe.zip file, critics are welcome!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> René
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/11/24 Peiman Khosravi 
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah man, this got me thinking about my GRM tools modeled frequency
>>>>> warping
>>>>> instrument. I haven't checked if it's patented or not :-0
>>>>>
>>>>> P
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 Nov 2009, at 19:13, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have posted
>>>>>> other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
>>>>>> instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are used, which
>>>>>> I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not seeing an
>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
>>>>>>> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
>>>>>>> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique which
>>>>>>> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
>>>>>>> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing list
>>>>>>> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
>>>>>>> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want with
>>>>>>> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of the
>>>>>>> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
>>>>>>> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is the
>>>>>>> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like why
>>>>>>> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
>>>>>>> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list, and I
>>>>>>> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
>>>>>>> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would also like to see it too...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd"
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>> in Qutecsound.
>>>>>>>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example included
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in
>>>>>>>> library
>>>>>>>> are protected by a licence,
>>>>>>>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for
>>>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>>>> purpose" (?)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does someone have any ideas?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> René
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>>>
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Hi Andrés -

yes, virtual.csd from the manual works now. It's just necessary to  
choose "virtual" in the MIDI preferences.

By the way, the problem I reported with the Graph widget seems to be  
related to the -d flag. I had this since I work with QC because of the  
problems with fltk. Is it correct that -d leads to no display in Graph  
widgets in QC?

	joachim


Am 25.11.2009 um 19:45 schrieb Andres Cabrera:

> Hi,
>
> Recent changes have apparently fixed the usage of virtual keyboard on
> OS X. Can you confirm Joachim?
>
> Yes, of course the name would have to change...
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>> Yeah, probably should just change name and remove reference to  
>> Reaktor
>> on the UI.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Alex Hofmann  wrote:
>>> Hi Rene,
>>> I think it could be a problem to call your instrument steam_pipe,  
>>> because
>>> the name is probably (99%) protected by NI, and they have very  
>>> strict
>>> lawyers..
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> Andres Cabrera schrieb:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Rene,
>>>>
>>>> That's very nice. I plan to add preset handling to QuteCsound to  
>>>> save
>>>> writing the code in Csound, which is ugly and error prone. When I  
>>>> do
>>>> that, can I add your synth to the examples?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Andrés
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Rene Djack  
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your advice,
>>>>>
>>>>> <>>>> it in
>>>>> Csound>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, i looked in details the instrument structure, but i also  
>>>>> did some
>>>>> input/output audio measurements to emulate some "opcode" (like  
>>>>> filters)
>>>>> with
>>>>> csound.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do that only for fun and to learn better csound and Qutecsound.
>>>>>
>>>>> I include the Steam_pipe.zip file, critics are welcome!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> René
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/11/24 Peiman Khosravi 
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah man, this got me thinking about my GRM tools modeled frequency
>>>>>> warping
>>>>>> instrument. I haven't checked if it's patented or not :-0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 Nov 2009, at 19:13, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have  
>>>>>>> posted
>>>>>>> other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
>>>>>>> instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are  
>>>>>>> used, which
>>>>>>> I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not  
>>>>>>> seeing an
>>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera >>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse  
>>>>>>>> engineering. If
>>>>>>>> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented  
>>>>>>>> it in
>>>>>>>> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented  
>>>>>>>> technique which
>>>>>>>> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you  
>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this  
>>>>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>>>> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you  
>>>>>>>> wrote the
>>>>>>>> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you  
>>>>>>>> want with
>>>>>>>> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on  
>>>>>>>> any of the
>>>>>>>> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway,  
>>>>>>>> since you
>>>>>>>> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the  
>>>>>>>> infringer is the
>>>>>>>> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit  
>>>>>>>> like why
>>>>>>>> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
>>>>>>>> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this  
>>>>>>>> list, and I
>>>>>>>> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to  
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would also like to see it too...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack >>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument  
>>>>>>>>> "steamPipe.csd"
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>>> in Qutecsound.
>>>>>>>>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example  
>>>>>>>>> included
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments  
>>>>>>>>> found in
>>>>>>>>> library
>>>>>>>>> are protected by a licence,
>>>>>>>>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for
>>>>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>>>>> purpose" (?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound  
>>>>>>>>> instrument.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does someone have any ideas?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> René
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>>>>
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Yes, thanks, there appears to be a conflict with FLTK graphs. So you
must use -d when using FLTK.

There will be no problem if you check the Run FLTK in terminal box, as
this will force all FLTK csds to run in the terminal.

Cheers,
Andrés

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:52 PM, joachim heintz  wrote:
> Hi Andrés -
>
> yes, virtual.csd from the manual works now. It's just necessary to choose
> "virtual" in the MIDI preferences.
>
> By the way, the problem I reported with the Graph widget seems to be related
> to the -d flag. I had this since I work with QC because of the problems with
> fltk. Is it correct that -d leads to no display in Graph widgets in QC?
>
>        joachim
>
>
> Am 25.11.2009 um 19:45 schrieb Andres Cabrera:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Recent changes have apparently fixed the usage of virtual keyboard on
>> OS X. Can you confirm Joachim?
>>
>> Yes, of course the name would have to change...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrés
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, probably should just change name and remove reference to Reaktor
>>> on the UI.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Alex Hofmann  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Rene,
>>>> I think it could be a problem to call your instrument steam_pipe,
>>>> because
>>>> the name is probably (99%) protected by NI, and they have very strict
>>>> lawyers..
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> Andres Cabrera schrieb:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rene,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's very nice. I plan to add preset handling to QuteCsound to save
>>>>> writing the code in Csound, which is ugly and error prone. When I do
>>>>> that, can I add your synth to the examples?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Rene Djack 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your advice,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <>>>>> Csound>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, i looked in details the instrument structure, but i also did some
>>>>>> input/output audio measurements to emulate some "opcode" (like
>>>>>> filters)
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> csound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do that only for fun and to learn better csound and Qutecsound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I include the Steam_pipe.zip file, critics are welcome!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> René
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/11/24 Peiman Khosravi 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah man, this got me thinking about my GRM tools modeled frequency
>>>>>>> warping
>>>>>>> instrument. I haven't checked if it's patented or not :-0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 Nov 2009, at 19:13, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have posted
>>>>>>>> other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
>>>>>>>> instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are used,
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not seeing
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
>>>>>>>>> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
>>>>>>>>> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
>>>>>>>>> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing
>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
>>>>>>>>> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
>>>>>>>>> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like
>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
>>>>>>>>> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list,
>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
>>>>>>>>> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would also like to see it too...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd"
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>>>> in Qutecsound.
>>>>>>>>>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example
>>>>>>>>>> included
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in
>>>>>>>>>> library
>>>>>>>>>> are protected by a licence,
>>>>>>>>>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for
>>>>>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>>>>>> purpose" (?)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does someone have any ideas?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>> René
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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Hi,

Checking again, all you need to do is not have a graph widget in the
widget panel. If you use -d, you won't get any graphs anywhere.
So it should be fixable...

Cheers,
Andrés

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
> Yes, thanks, there appears to be a conflict with FLTK graphs. So you
> must use -d when using FLTK.
>
> There will be no problem if you check the Run FLTK in terminal box, as
> this will force all FLTK csds to run in the terminal.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:52 PM, joachim heintz  wrote:
>> Hi Andrés -
>>
>> yes, virtual.csd from the manual works now. It's just necessary to choose
>> "virtual" in the MIDI preferences.
>>
>> By the way, the problem I reported with the Graph widget seems to be related
>> to the -d flag. I had this since I work with QC because of the problems with
>> fltk. Is it correct that -d leads to no display in Graph widgets in QC?
>>
>>        joachim
>>
>>
>> Am 25.11.2009 um 19:45 schrieb Andres Cabrera:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Recent changes have apparently fixed the usage of virtual keyboard on
>>> OS X. Can you confirm Joachim?
>>>
>>> Yes, of course the name would have to change...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andrés
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, probably should just change name and remove reference to Reaktor
>>>> on the UI.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Alex Hofmann  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rene,
>>>>> I think it could be a problem to call your instrument steam_pipe,
>>>>> because
>>>>> the name is probably (99%) protected by NI, and they have very strict
>>>>> lawyers..
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> Andres Cabrera schrieb:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Rene,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's very nice. I plan to add preset handling to QuteCsound to save
>>>>>> writing the code in Csound, which is ugly and error prone. When I do
>>>>>> that, can I add your synth to the examples?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Rene Djack 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your advice,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <>>>>>> Csound>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, i looked in details the instrument structure, but i also did some
>>>>>>> input/output audio measurements to emulate some "opcode" (like
>>>>>>> filters)
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> csound.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do that only for fun and to learn better csound and Qutecsound.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I include the Steam_pipe.zip file, critics are welcome!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> René
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2009/11/24 Peiman Khosravi 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah man, this got me thinking about my GRM tools modeled frequency
>>>>>>>> warping
>>>>>>>> instrument. I haven't checked if it's patented or not :-0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 Nov 2009, at 19:13, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I'm thinking it should be fine to post.  People have posted
>>>>>>>>> other instruments modeled on other known hardware and software
>>>>>>>>> instruments before.  As long as no patented algorithms are used,
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> I don't think there is as it's just waveguides, then I'm not seeing
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Andres Cabrera
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it would depend on what you mean by reverse engineering. If
>>>>>>>>>> you just looked at how they built it, and then reimplemented it in
>>>>>>>>>> Csound, unless they have some ultra-special patented technique
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>> is so innovative that it even covers Csound code, then you can't
>>>>>>>>>> distribute it for COMMERCIAL purposes (posting it to this mailing
>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>> can hardly be considered commercial). However, since you wrote the
>>>>>>>>>> Csound code yourself, the code is yours to do whatever you want
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> it, and I really doubt that any patents they might hold on any of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> procedures in the Reaktor would cover Csound code anyway, since you
>>>>>>>>>> are effectively just documenting the patent, and the infringer is
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> one who uses the instrument for a commercial purpose (a bit like
>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>> lame doesn't distribute binaries).
>>>>>>>>>> So I think it's fine to distribute your instrument on this list,
>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>> would probably say you would still be fine if you wanted to make
>>>>>>>>>> commercial use of it as long as you don't relate it to Reaktor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would also like to see it too...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Rene Djack 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have done a real-time midi waveguide instrument "steamPipe.csd"
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> GUI
>>>>>>>>>>> in Qutecsound.
>>>>>>>>>>> The instrument comes from reverse engineering of an example
>>>>>>>>>>> included
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Reaktor software (demo version) from "Native Instruments".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I asked to "Native Instrument" if their demo instruments found in
>>>>>>>>>>> library
>>>>>>>>>>> are protected by a licence,
>>>>>>>>>>> they only reply that "their demo softwares cannot be used for
>>>>>>>>>>> commercial
>>>>>>>>>>> purpose" (?)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if i have the right to share this csound instrument.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does someone have any ideas?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>> René
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Andrés
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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