Hi,

Over the past year I've tried several times to sit down and figure out
how to model things with Csound. Every time, though, I end up with
horribly cartoony, 90s Win32-MIDI-mapper-esque sounds that just don't
really match what I'm going for (live performance leads).

Rather than ask for handouts on how to get a specific sound, I'm going
for the teach-to-fish route: How did you guys (the experts) figure out
all of this stuff about how to create sounds that are exactly what you
wanted to hear? Is there a book or manual or website that teaches the
more advanced nuances of sound creation?

~ C.

i'm certainly not an "expert", and i can't say that i'm able to create
exactly what i want to hear, but i might contribute with a couple of
recommendations: one, try to learn as much as you can about acoustics,
psychoacoustics, and the acoustics of musical instruments. not that you
want to imitate any existing instrument in particular, but you'll learn
what makes acoustic instruments interesting, that is so often lacking in
synthetic sounds. my other recommendation is try to learn as much as you
can about synthesis techniques (there's not just one book for that, but the
classics are always a good place to start: dodge, computer music
tutorial). perhaps the techniques themselves will inspire you with their
own sounds, instead of trying the other way around...


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Yes, the Farnell book is very good, I bought it myself.

I should add, long long ago in what wasn't, but seems like, a
different life I had access to early modular synthesizers (modular
Moog clones made for Vladimir Ussachesky by Nyle Steiner, and some
Buchla stuff) and spent happy hours plugging modules together at
random. This was very very helpful. I would think that working through
Farnell's examples with Pure Data, not with Csound, could do something
of the same sort.

The main point I'm trying to make is that a visceral feel developed by
quickly turning knobs and patching signals may produce quicker and
deeper learning if it is coupled with some theoretical understanding
of what is going on. I don't think either a mostly
mathematical/theoretical understanding, or a purely pragmatic
tweaking, will be as good. The possibilities of making bland or
annoying noises are just too vast, either way.

Listening to a lot of the publicly available Csound pieces, finding
out which instruments you like, and adapting them as I mentioned
before, has a lot of this approach packed into it. You could probably
learn a lot by taking good existing instruments, providing them with
knobs in CsoundQt, and adding some additional, switchable signal
paths.

Regards,
Mike

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Alex AB  wrote:
> Hello,
> I am also far from being an expert, but for studying sound design, I find
> Andy Farnell's "designing sound" book to be a great introduction. It's
> written for pd but nothing prevents you from implementing the designs with
> Csound. The first part of the book is a basic physics lesson, which in
> itself has helped me a lot to imagine the "why" of good sounds and
> definitely makes the book a worth while read.
>
> The "Csound book" is also very enlightening, the "designing viable
> instruments with csound" chapter is one I keep going back to.
>
> Also, Miller Pluckette's "Theory and Technique of Electronic Music", while
> quite technical, is freely downloadable from the author's web page (examples
> are also for pd, but again, nothing stops you from doing the same thing with
> csound).
>
> On 15 November 2011 00:52, luis jure  wrote:
>>
>> i'm certainly not an "expert", and i can't say that i'm able to create
>> exactly what i want to hear, but i might contribute with a couple of
>> recommendations: one, try to learn as much as you can about acoustics,
>> psychoacoustics, and the acoustics of musical instruments. not that you
>> want to imitate any existing instrument in particular, but you'll learn
>> what makes acoustic instruments interesting, that is so often lacking in
>> synthetic sounds. my other recommendation is try to learn as much as you
>> can about synthesis techniques (there's not just one book for that, but
>> the
>> classics are always a good place to start: dodge, computer music
>> tutorial). perhaps the techniques themselves will inspire you with their
>> own sounds, instead of trying the other way around...
>>
>>
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>
>



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On 11/14/2011 07:37 PM, Michael Gogins wrote:
> Yes, the Farnell book is very good, I bought it myself.
>

Agree++.

It's worth pointing out that Mr Farnell is an exceptionally clear 
writer. Designing Sound is one of the best books of any kind that I've read.

Best,

dp




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A few suggestions, if I may:

- Add some subtle randomisation to your instruments 
- Make a unusual mix of synths and samples
- do not forget the importance of silence and dynamics in general
- write interesting compositions
- make a clear mix where all instruments can be distinguished by spectral
range and stereo image position

my 2 cents..
Richard


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i'd suggest to study iain mccurdy's realtime examples:
http://iainmccurdy.org/csound.html

there is a version for csoundqt from rené jopi:
http://iainmccurdy.org/CsoundRealtimeExamples/%5BCsnd%5D%20Iain%20McCurdy%20Realtime%20Csound%20examples%20collection%20in%20QuteCsound.zip

or the original version for fltk widgets:
http://iainmccurdy.org/CsoundRealtimeExamples/CsoundRealtimeExamples.zip

the soundfiles etc are available as
http://iainmccurdy.org/CsoundRealtimeExamples/SourceMaterials/SourceMaterials.zip

	joachim


Am 14.11.2011 23:28, schrieb Corbin Simpson:
> Hi,
> 
> Over the past year I've tried several times to sit down and figure out
> how to model things with Csound. Every time, though, I end up with
> horribly cartoony, 90s Win32-MIDI-mapper-esque sounds that just don't
> really match what I'm going for (live performance leads).
> 
> Rather than ask for handouts on how to get a specific sound, I'm going
> for the teach-to-fish route: How did you guys (the experts) figure out
> all of this stuff about how to create sounds that are exactly what you
> wanted to hear? Is there a book or manual or website that teaches the
> more advanced nuances of sound creation?
> 
> ~ C.
> 


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I have to say that seeing this thread I went and ordered Designing
Sound. Seems like a good book and some of the examples sound amazing.

P


On 15 November 2011 22:42, joachim heintz  wrote:
> i'd suggest to study iain mccurdy's realtime examples:
> http://iainmccurdy.org/csound.html
>
> there is a version for csoundqt from rené jopi:
> http://iainmccurdy.org/CsoundRealtimeExamples/%5BCsnd%5D%20Iain%20McCurdy%20Realtime%20Csound%20examples%20collection%20in%20QuteCsound.zip
>
> or the original version for fltk widgets:
> http://iainmccurdy.org/CsoundRealtimeExamples/CsoundRealtimeExamples.zip
>
> the soundfiles etc are available as
> http://iainmccurdy.org/CsoundRealtimeExamples/SourceMaterials/SourceMaterials.zip
>
>        joachim
>
>
> Am 14.11.2011 23:28, schrieb Corbin Simpson:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Over the past year I've tried several times to sit down and figure out
>> how to model things with Csound. Every time, though, I end up with
>> horribly cartoony, 90s Win32-MIDI-mapper-esque sounds that just don't
>> really match what I'm going for (live performance leads).
>>
>> Rather than ask for handouts on how to get a specific sound, I'm going
>> for the teach-to-fish route: How did you guys (the experts) figure out
>> all of this stuff about how to create sounds that are exactly what you
>> wanted to hear? Is there a book or manual or website that teaches the
>> more advanced nuances of sound creation?
>>
>> ~ C.
>>
>
>
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