[Csnd] writing scores by hand

[Csnd] writing scores by hand

Date	2011-11-22 13:43
From	Adam Puckett
Subject	[Csnd] writing scores by hand
	Hey list, How many of you (other than myself) write some of your scores by hand? I find that when doing this, the carry (and sort, obviously, for counterpoint) are very helpful, and if there is not already, I'd like to perhaps write an easy-to-understand tutorial which covers these features and uses them practically, in ways the average person would overlook. For example, I liberally use the ^+x feature for rests or breaks (e.g. in techno for "drops") and think others could use a tutorial to jumpstart new ideas. FLOSS Manuals seems to be the perfect place for this, however I believe there is a CAPTCHA on the site which prevents me as a blind person from registering to the site. If anyone's willing, could he/she sign me up with an account so I could start this tutorial? Thanks, Adam Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-22 14:31
From	jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	> Hey list, > You can add at least one. I write scores by hand for one style of music, and by C programs for the D&DC series. Those are the only ways I know ==John > How many of you (other than myself) write some of your scores by hand? > I find that when doing this, the carry (and sort, obviously, for > counterpoint) are very helpful, and if there is not already, I'd like > to perhaps write an easy-to-understand tutorial which covers these > features and uses them practically, in ways the average person would > overlook. For example, I liberally use the ^+x feature for rests or > breaks (e.g. in techno for "drops") and think others could use a > tutorial to jumpstart new ideas. FLOSS Manuals seems to be the perfect > place for this, however I believe there is a CAPTCHA on the site which > prevents me as a blind person from registering to the site. If > anyone's willing, could he/she sign me up with an account so I could > start this tutorial? Thanks, > > Adam > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe > csound" > > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-22 14:49
From	Rory Walsh
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	In the past I've used spreadsheets to create score and function statements. Nowadays, if I have to write a score at all I'll just use another instrument to create it. ^+x rocks. Rory. On 22 November 2011 14:31, wrote: >> Hey list, >> > > You can add at least one. I write scores by hand for one style of music, > and by C programs for the D&DC series. Those are the only ways I know > > ==John > >> How many of you (other than myself) write some of your scores by hand? >> I find that when doing this, the carry (and sort, obviously, for >> counterpoint) are very helpful, and if there is not already, I'd like >> to perhaps write an easy-to-understand tutorial which covers these >> features and uses them practically, in ways the average person would >> overlook. For example, I liberally use the ^+x feature for rests or >> breaks (e.g. in techno for "drops") and think others could use a >> tutorial to jumpstart new ideas. FLOSS Manuals seems to be the perfect >> place for this, however I believe there is a CAPTCHA on the site which >> prevents me as a blind person from registering to the site. If >> anyone's willing, could he/she sign me up with an account so I could >> start this tutorial? Thanks, >> >> Adam >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >> csound" >> >> >> >> > > > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-22 14:49
From	Adam Puckett
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	Do you use carry, tempo and sort, or do you add all the times in your head? And what is that "one style of music" you write your scores by hand in? On 11/22/11, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote: >> Hey list, >> > > You can add at least one. I write scores by hand for one style of music, > and by C programs for the D&DC series. Those are the only ways I know > > ==John > >> How many of you (other than myself) write some of your scores by hand? >> I find that when doing this, the carry (and sort, obviously, for >> counterpoint) are very helpful, and if there is not already, I'd like >> to perhaps write an easy-to-understand tutorial which covers these >> features and uses them practically, in ways the average person would >> overlook. For example, I liberally use the ^+x feature for rests or >> breaks (e.g. in techno for "drops") and think others could use a >> tutorial to jumpstart new ideas. FLOSS Manuals seems to be the perfect >> place for this, however I believe there is a CAPTCHA on the site which >> prevents me as a blind person from registering to the site. If >> anyone's willing, could he/she sign me up with an account so I could >> start this tutorial? Thanks, >> >> Adam >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >> csound" >> >> >> >> > > > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe > csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-22 14:54
From	Adam Puckett
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	Rory, Indeed, ^+x rocks. So does ^-x for one-off counterpoint, and, when the two are "married" you can easily (sort of) write Bach-inspired pieces moderately quickly. On 11/22/11, Rory Walsh wrote: > In the past I've used spreadsheets to create score and function > statements. Nowadays, if I have to write a score at all I'll just use > another instrument to create it. > > ^+x rocks. > > Rory. > > > On 22 November 2011 14:31, wrote: >>> Hey list, >>> >> >> You can add at least one. I write scores by hand for one style of music, >> and by C programs for the D&DC series. Those are the only ways I know >> >> ==John >> >>> How many of you (other than myself) write some of your scores by hand? >>> I find that when doing this, the carry (and sort, obviously, for >>> counterpoint) are very helpful, and if there is not already, I'd like >>> to perhaps write an easy-to-understand tutorial which covers these >>> features and uses them practically, in ways the average person would >>> overlook. For example, I liberally use the ^+x feature for rests or >>> breaks (e.g. in techno for "drops") and think others could use a >>> tutorial to jumpstart new ideas. FLOSS Manuals seems to be the perfect >>> place for this, however I believe there is a CAPTCHA on the site which >>> prevents me as a blind person from registering to the site. If >>> anyone's willing, could he/she sign me up with an account so I could >>> start this tutorial? Thanks, >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >>> csound" >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >> csound" >> >> > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe > csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-22 14:58
From	Adam Puckett
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	And if you can stomach it, I use ^+[expression], for example, when I need an event to start 5 16th notes later than when the last one ended I say: i1 ^+[(1/164)5+(last_duration)] [1/16*4] ; other p-fields go here On 11/22/11, Adam Puckett wrote: > Rory, > > Indeed, ^+x rocks. So does ^-x for one-off counterpoint, and, when the > two are "married" you can easily (sort of) write Bach-inspired pieces > moderately quickly. > > On 11/22/11, Rory Walsh wrote: >> In the past I've used spreadsheets to create score and function >> statements. Nowadays, if I have to write a score at all I'll just use >> another instrument to create it. >> >> ^+x rocks. >> >> Rory. >> >> >> On 22 November 2011 14:31, wrote: >>>> Hey list, >>>> >>> >>> You can add at least one. I write scores by hand for one style of >>> music, >>> and by C programs for the D&DC series. Those are the only ways I know >>> >>> ==John >>> >>>> How many of you (other than myself) write some of your scores by hand? >>>> I find that when doing this, the carry (and sort, obviously, for >>>> counterpoint) are very helpful, and if there is not already, I'd like >>>> to perhaps write an easy-to-understand tutorial which covers these >>>> features and uses them practically, in ways the average person would >>>> overlook. For example, I liberally use the ^+x feature for rests or >>>> breaks (e.g. in techno for "drops") and think others could use a >>>> tutorial to jumpstart new ideas. FLOSS Manuals seems to be the perfect >>>> place for this, however I believe there is a CAPTCHA on the site which >>>> prevents me as a blind person from registering to the site. If >>>> anyone's willing, could he/she sign me up with an account so I could >>>> start this tutorial? Thanks, >>>> >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>>> "unsubscribe >>>> csound" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >>> csound" >>> >>> >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >> csound" >> >> > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-22 15:09
From	peiman khosravi
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	It would be great to have a tutorial like this. I was trying to loop sections of a score a while back and hit some problems because I'm not that familiar with the score language. So yes yes please do provide a tutorial. Thanks Peiman On 22 November 2011 14:58, Adam Puckett wrote: > And if you can stomach it, I use ^+[expression], for example, when I > need an event to start 5 16th notes later than when the last one ended > I say: > > i1 ^+[(1/164)5+(last_duration)] [1/16*4] ; other p-fields go here > > On 11/22/11, Adam Puckett wrote: >> Rory, >> >> Indeed, ^+x rocks. So does ^-x for one-off counterpoint, and, when the >> two are "married" you can easily (sort of) write Bach-inspired pieces >> moderately quickly. >> >> On 11/22/11, Rory Walsh wrote: >>> In the past I've used spreadsheets to create score and function >>> statements. Nowadays, if I have to write a score at all I'll just use >>> another instrument to create it. >>> >>> ^+x rocks. >>> >>> Rory. >>> >>> >>> On 22 November 2011 14:31, wrote: >>>>> Hey list, >>>>> >>>> >>>> You can add at least one. I write scores by hand for one style of >>>> music, >>>> and by C programs for the D&DC series. Those are the only ways I know >>>> >>>> ==John >>>> >>>>> How many of you (other than myself) write some of your scores by hand? >>>>> I find that when doing this, the carry (and sort, obviously, for >>>>> counterpoint) are very helpful, and if there is not already, I'd like >>>>> to perhaps write an easy-to-understand tutorial which covers these >>>>> features and uses them practically, in ways the average person would >>>>> overlook. For example, I liberally use the ^+x feature for rests or >>>>> breaks (e.g. in techno for "drops") and think others could use a >>>>> tutorial to jumpstart new ideas. FLOSS Manuals seems to be the perfect >>>>> place for this, however I believe there is a CAPTCHA on the site which >>>>> prevents me as a blind person from registering to the site. If >>>>> anyone's willing, could he/she sign me up with an account so I could >>>>> start this tutorial? Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>>>> "unsubscribe >>>>> csound" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >>>> csound" >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >>> csound" >>> >>> >> > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-22 17:00
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	I never used ^+x. what does it do? On 22 Nov 2011, at 14:58, Adam Puckett wrote: > And if you can stomach it, I use ^+[expression], for example, when I > need an event to start 5 16th notes later than when the last one ended > I say: > > i1 ^+[(1/164)5+(last_duration)] [1/16*4] ; other p-fields go here > > On 11/22/11, Adam Puckett wrote: >> Rory, >> >> Indeed, ^+x rocks. So does ^-x for one-off counterpoint, and, when the >> two are "married" you can easily (sort of) write Bach-inspired pieces >> moderately quickly. >> >> On 11/22/11, Rory Walsh wrote: >>> In the past I've used spreadsheets to create score and function >>> statements. Nowadays, if I have to write a score at all I'll just use >>> another instrument to create it. >>> >>> ^+x rocks. >>> >>> Rory. >>> >>> >>> On 22 November 2011 14:31, wrote: >>>>> Hey list, >>>>> >>>> >>>> You can add at least one. I write scores by hand for one style of >>>> music, >>>> and by C programs for the D&DC series. Those are the only ways I know >>>> >>>> ==John >>>> >>>>> How many of you (other than myself) write some of your scores by hand? >>>>> I find that when doing this, the carry (and sort, obviously, for >>>>> counterpoint) are very helpful, and if there is not already, I'd like >>>>> to perhaps write an easy-to-understand tutorial which covers these >>>>> features and uses them practically, in ways the average person would >>>>> overlook. For example, I liberally use the ^+x feature for rests or >>>>> breaks (e.g. in techno for "drops") and think others could use a >>>>> tutorial to jumpstart new ideas. FLOSS Manuals seems to be the perfect >>>>> place for this, however I believe there is a CAPTCHA on the site which >>>>> prevents me as a blind person from registering to the site. If >>>>> anyone's willing, could he/she sign me up with an account so I could >>>>> start this tutorial? Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>>>> "unsubscribe >>>>> csound" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >>>> csound" >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >>> csound" >>> >>> >> > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" > Dr Victor Lazzarini Senior Lecturer Dept. of Music NUI Maynooth Ireland tel.: +353 1 708 3545 Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-22 17:30
From	Adam Puckett
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
Attachments	twinkle_twinkle_little_star.csd
	^+x advances p2 by x. ^-x does the opposite. I've provided an example of this so anyone who is curious can listen to it. It's the melody of "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star," which, if I'm not mistaken, is universally known. Hope this helps, Adam On 11/22/11, Victor Lazzarini wrote: > I never used ^+x. what does it do? > On 22 Nov 2011, at 14:58, Adam Puckett wrote: > >> And if you can stomach it, I use ^+[expression], for example, when I >> need an event to start 5 16th notes later than when the last one ended >> I say: >> >> i1 ^+[(1/164)5+(last_duration)] [1/16*4] ; other p-fields go here >> >> On 11/22/11, Adam Puckett wrote: >>> Rory, >>> >>> Indeed, ^+x rocks. So does ^-x for one-off counterpoint, and, when the >>> two are "married" you can easily (sort of) write Bach-inspired pieces >>> moderately quickly. >>> >>> On 11/22/11, Rory Walsh wrote: >>>> In the past I've used spreadsheets to create score and function >>>> statements. Nowadays, if I have to write a score at all I'll just use >>>> another instrument to create it. >>>> >>>> ^+x rocks. >>>> >>>> Rory. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22 November 2011 14:31, wrote: >>>>>> Hey list, >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You can add at least one. I write scores by hand for one style of >>>>> music, >>>>> and by C programs for the D&DC series. Those are the only ways I know >>>>> >>>>> ==John >>>>> >>>>>> How many of you (other than myself) write some of your scores by hand? >>>>>> I find that when doing this, the carry (and sort, obviously, for >>>>>> counterpoint) are very helpful, and if there is not already, I'd like >>>>>> to perhaps write an easy-to-understand tutorial which covers these >>>>>> features and uses them practically, in ways the average person would >>>>>> overlook. For example, I liberally use the ^+x feature for rests or >>>>>> breaks (e.g. in techno for "drops") and think others could use a >>>>>> tutorial to jumpstart new ideas. FLOSS Manuals seems to be the perfect >>>>>> place for this, however I believe there is a CAPTCHA on the site which >>>>>> prevents me as a blind person from registering to the site. If >>>>>> anyone's willing, could he/she sign me up with an account so I could >>>>>> start this tutorial? Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Adam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>>>> >>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>>>>> "unsubscribe >>>>>> csound" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>>>> "unsubscribe >>>>> csound" >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >>>> csound" >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >> csound" >> > > Dr Victor Lazzarini > Senior Lecturer > Dept. of Music > NUI Maynooth Ireland > tel.: +353 1 708 3545 > Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie > > > > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe > csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-22 17:36
From	Egor Sanin
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	John ffitch's article in the Csound book describes all the little tricks you can use to write scores by hand. I write scores in vim. There are definitely very useful tricks and macros for doing sectioning with variations programmed in. I don't know if the book is available online, but perhaps Mr. ffitch could be persuaded to put that chapter somewhere. On 11/22/11, Adam Puckett wrote: > ^+x advances p2 by x. ^-x does the opposite. I've provided an example > of this so anyone who is curious can listen to it. It's the melody of > "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star," which, if I'm not mistaken, is > universally known. > > Hope this helps, > > Adam > > On 11/22/11, Victor Lazzarini wrote: >> I never used ^+x. what does it do? >> On 22 Nov 2011, at 14:58, Adam Puckett wrote: >> >>> And if you can stomach it, I use ^+[expression], for example, when I >>> need an event to start 5 16th notes later than when the last one ended >>> I say: >>> >>> i1 ^+[(1/164)5+(last_duration)] [1/16*4] ; other p-fields go here >>> >>> On 11/22/11, Adam Puckett wrote: >>>> Rory, >>>> >>>> Indeed, ^+x rocks. So does ^-x for one-off counterpoint, and, when the >>>> two are "married" you can easily (sort of) write Bach-inspired pieces >>>> moderately quickly. >>>> >>>> On 11/22/11, Rory Walsh wrote: >>>>> In the past I've used spreadsheets to create score and function >>>>> statements. Nowadays, if I have to write a score at all I'll just use >>>>> another instrument to create it. >>>>> >>>>> ^+x rocks. >>>>> >>>>> Rory. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 22 November 2011 14:31, wrote: >>>>>>> Hey list, >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You can add at least one. I write scores by hand for one style of >>>>>> music, >>>>>> and by C programs for the D&DC series. Those are the only ways I know >>>>>> >>>>>> ==John >>>>>> >>>>>>> How many of you (other than myself) write some of your scores by >>>>>>> hand? >>>>>>> I find that when doing this, the carry (and sort, obviously, for >>>>>>> counterpoint) are very helpful, and if there is not already, I'd like >>>>>>> to perhaps write an easy-to-understand tutorial which covers these >>>>>>> features and uses them practically, in ways the average person would >>>>>>> overlook. For example, I liberally use the ^+x feature for rests or >>>>>>> breaks (e.g. in techno for "drops") and think others could use a >>>>>>> tutorial to jumpstart new ideas. FLOSS Manuals seems to be the >>>>>>> perfect >>>>>>> place for this, however I believe there is a CAPTCHA on the site >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> prevents me as a blind person from registering to the site. If >>>>>>> anyone's willing, could he/she sign me up with an account so I could >>>>>>> start this tutorial? Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>>>>>> "unsubscribe >>>>>>> csound" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>>>>> "unsubscribe >>>>>> csound" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>>>> "unsubscribe >>>>> csound" >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >>> csound" >>> >> >> Dr Victor Lazzarini >> Senior Lecturer >> Dept. of Music >> NUI Maynooth Ireland >> tel.: +353 1 708 3545 >> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie >> >> >> >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >> csound" >> >> > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe > csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-22 17:47
From	Adam Puckett
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	I have a copy of the Csound Book. What chapter is it in so I can look at the code on the CD-ROM? On 11/22/11, Egor Sanin wrote: > John ffitch's article in the Csound book describes all the little > tricks you can use to write scores by hand. > > I write scores in vim. There are definitely very useful tricks and > macros for doing sectioning with variations programmed in. > > I don't know if the book is available online, but perhaps Mr. ffitch > could be persuaded to put that chapter somewhere. > > > On 11/22/11, Adam Puckett wrote: >> ^+x advances p2 by x. ^-x does the opposite. I've provided an example >> of this so anyone who is curious can listen to it. It's the melody of >> "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star," which, if I'm not mistaken, is >> universally known. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Adam >> >> On 11/22/11, Victor Lazzarini wrote: >>> I never used ^+x. what does it do? >>> On 22 Nov 2011, at 14:58, Adam Puckett wrote: >>> >>>> And if you can stomach it, I use ^+[expression], for example, when I >>>> need an event to start 5 16th notes later than when the last one ended >>>> I say: >>>> >>>> i1 ^+[(1/164)5+(last_duration)] [1/16*4] ; other p-fields go here >>>> >>>> On 11/22/11, Adam Puckett wrote: >>>>> Rory, >>>>> >>>>> Indeed, ^+x rocks. So does ^-x for one-off counterpoint, and, when the >>>>> two are "married" you can easily (sort of) write Bach-inspired pieces >>>>> moderately quickly. >>>>> >>>>> On 11/22/11, Rory Walsh wrote: >>>>>> In the past I've used spreadsheets to create score and function >>>>>> statements. Nowadays, if I have to write a score at all I'll just use >>>>>> another instrument to create it. >>>>>> >>>>>> ^+x rocks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rory. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 22 November 2011 14:31, wrote: >>>>>>>> Hey list, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can add at least one. I write scores by hand for one style of >>>>>>> music, >>>>>>> and by C programs for the D&DC series. Those are the only ways I >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==John >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How many of you (other than myself) write some of your scores by >>>>>>>> hand? >>>>>>>> I find that when doing this, the carry (and sort, obviously, for >>>>>>>> counterpoint) are very helpful, and if there is not already, I'd >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> to perhaps write an easy-to-understand tutorial which covers these >>>>>>>> features and uses them practically, in ways the average person would >>>>>>>> overlook. For example, I liberally use the ^+x feature for rests or >>>>>>>> breaks (e.g. in techno for "drops") and think others could use a >>>>>>>> tutorial to jumpstart new ideas. FLOSS Manuals seems to be the >>>>>>>> perfect >>>>>>>> place for this, however I believe there is a CAPTCHA on the site >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> prevents me as a blind person from registering to the site. If >>>>>>>> anyone's willing, could he/she sign me up with an account so I could >>>>>>>> start this tutorial? Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>>>>>>> "unsubscribe >>>>>>>> csound" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>>>>>> "unsubscribe >>>>>>> csound" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>>>>> "unsubscribe >>>>>> csound" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >>>> csound" >>>> >>> >>> Dr Victor Lazzarini >>> Senior Lecturer >>> Dept. of Music >>> NUI Maynooth Ireland >>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545 >>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >>> csound" >>> >>> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >> csound" >> >> > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe > csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-22 18:33
From	Egor Sanin
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	On 11/22/11, Adam Puckett wrote: > I have a copy of the Csound Book. What chapter is it in so I can look > at the code on the CD-ROM? It's Chapter 5: "Using Csound's Macro Language Extension," John ffitch Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-22 20:50
From	Adam Puckett
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	So far looking at the scores for that chapter, they are musical, but they don't use ^+/-x anywhere. I like his use of score macros for different purposes. One other place I've looked is at the beat macros subdirectory of examples distributed with Csound itself, and they really are the ones that in my opinion make macros effective. Maple7 is one of my favorite Csound compositions not just because it's written in Csound and sounds poppy, but also the fact that its score is relatively simple to read (read: not skim, as with, say, Tobias Enhus' "The Electric Priest" or John Ramsdell's "You Know I Know," which are also very well-crafted musical works). On 11/22/11, Egor Sanin wrote: > On 11/22/11, Adam Puckett wrote: >> I have a copy of the Csound Book. What chapter is it in so I can look >> at the code on the CD-ROM? > > It's Chapter 5: > "Using Csound's Macro Language Extension," John ffitch > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe > csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-23 00:18
From	Egor Sanin
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	On 11/22/11, Adam Puckett wrote: > So far looking at the scores for that chapter, they are musical, but > they don't use ^+/-x anywhere. I like his use of score macros for > different purposes. Hmm. I haven't looked at the scores on the CD, but in the book this is definitely described. There is a section in Chapter 5 called "Modifying Time," where ^+ is discussed and examples of its use are given. I'm looking at it right now. Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-23 15:31
From	Adam Puckett
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	Does the book give an example of ^+? On 11/22/11, Egor Sanin wrote: > On 11/22/11, Adam Puckett wrote: >> So far looking at the scores for that chapter, they are musical, but >> they don't use ^+/-x anywhere. I like his use of score macros for >> different purposes. > Hmm. > > I haven't looked at the scores on the CD, but in the book this is > definitely described. There is a section in Chapter 5 called > "Modifying Time," where ^+ is discussed and examples of its use are > given. > I'm looking at it right now. > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe > csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-23 16:53
From	Egor Sanin
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	On 11/23/11, Adam Puckett wrote: > Does the book give an example of ^+? Yes, I just found it on google books: http://books.google.ca/books?id=szwfRU9DqwYC&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=csound+modifying+time&source=bl&ots=P-sRMt5lua&sig=_j5X90_YWIaxcbG-DkhJNH0vPHQ&hl=en&ei=wCTNTsSxE-Tk0QHXxLAM&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=csound%20modifying%20time&f=false Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-23 17:00
From	Adam Puckett
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	I get "Page XXX is not part of this preview" ... On 11/23/11, Egor Sanin wrote: > On 11/23/11, Adam Puckett wrote: >> Does the book give an example of ^+? > Yes, I just found it on google books: > > http://books.google.ca/books?id=szwfRU9DqwYC&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=csound+modifying+time&source=bl&ots=P-sRMt5lua&sig=_j5X90_YWIaxcbG-DkhJNH0vPHQ&hl=en&ei=wCTNTsSxE-Tk0QHXxLAM&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=csound%20modifying%20time&f=false > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe > csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-23 17:54
From	Egor Sanin
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	On 11/23/11, Adam Puckett wrote: > I get "Page XXX is not part of this preview" ... Then you've got to get a copy from somewhere. There's also a lot of information about the standard numerical score in the Csound manual, which can be found in html online. Here's a section that describes the "carry" operations you are talking about: http://www.csounds.com/manual/html/ScoreTop.html There are also sections in the manual that talk about complex expressions and the use of sections in the score. Google is your friend. Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-23 18:06
From	Adam Puckett
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	I know about all those places and I have a copy of the book and it came with the CD-ROM. What I want to do is give people a gentle introduction to those complex features, by sharing example CSDs that work out of the box, because I'm a firm believer that music should be heard when it's taught. Looking at the examples, I think they assume the reader is already a musician or has some knowledge of how Csound scores work, but I think a gentler introduction may help the perplexed reader of, say, even the FLOSS Manual that's already published, so what I have in mind is sort of a follow-up book that explores musical possibilities for those interested. On 11/23/11, Egor Sanin wrote: > On 11/23/11, Adam Puckett wrote: >> I get "Page XXX is not part of this preview" ... > Then you've got to get a copy from somewhere. > > There's also a lot of information about the standard numerical score > in the Csound manual, which can be found in html online. Here's a > section that describes the "carry" operations you are talking about: > http://www.csounds.com/manual/html/ScoreTop.html > > There are also sections in the manual that talk about complex > expressions and the use of sections in the score. > > Google is your friend. > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe > csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-23 21:16
From	joachim heintz
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	i think this is an excellent idea. in my opinion, a chapter in the appendix of the floss manual would be a good place. i am planning a second release for next spring; so if you could join the team, it would be great. joachim Am 23.11.2011 19:06, schrieb Adam Puckett: > I know about all those places and I have a copy of the book and it > came with the CD-ROM. What I want to do is give people a gentle > introduction to those complex features, by sharing example CSDs that > work out of the box, because I'm a firm believer that music should be > heard when it's taught. Looking at the examples, I think they assume > the reader is already a musician or has some knowledge of how Csound > scores work, but I think a gentler introduction may help the perplexed > reader of, say, even the FLOSS Manual that's already published, so > what I have in mind is sort of a follow-up book that explores musical > possibilities for those interested. > > On 11/23/11, Egor Sanin wrote: >> On 11/23/11, Adam Puckett wrote: >>> I get "Page XXX is not part of this preview" ... >> Then you've got to get a copy from somewhere. >> >> There's also a lot of information about the standard numerical score >> in the Csound manual, which can be found in html online. Here's a >> section that describes the "carry" operations you are talking about: >> http://www.csounds.com/manual/html/ScoreTop.html >> >> There are also sections in the manual that talk about complex >> expressions and the use of sections in the score. >> >> Google is your friend. >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >> csound" >> >> > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-11-24 01:53
From	Adam Puckett
Subject	Re: [Csnd] writing scores by hand
	I'd be happy to! On 11/23/11, joachim heintz wrote: > i think this is an excellent idea. in my opinion, a chapter in the > appendix of the floss manual would be a good place. i am planning a > second release for next spring; so if you could join the team, it would > be great. > > joachim > > > > Am 23.11.2011 19:06, schrieb Adam Puckett: >> I know about all those places and I have a copy of the book and it >> came with the CD-ROM. What I want to do is give people a gentle >> introduction to those complex features, by sharing example CSDs that >> work out of the box, because I'm a firm believer that music should be >> heard when it's taught. Looking at the examples, I think they assume >> the reader is already a musician or has some knowledge of how Csound >> scores work, but I think a gentler introduction may help the perplexed >> reader of, say, even the FLOSS Manual that's already published, so >> what I have in mind is sort of a follow-up book that explores musical >> possibilities for those interested. >> >> On 11/23/11, Egor Sanin wrote: >>> On 11/23/11, Adam Puckett wrote: >>>> I get "Page XXX is not part of this preview" ... >>> Then you've got to get a copy from somewhere. >>> >>> There's also a lot of information about the standard numerical score >>> in the Csound manual, which can be found in html online. Here's a >>> section that describes the "carry" operations you are talking about: >>> http://www.csounds.com/manual/html/ScoreTop.html >>> >>> There are also sections in the manual that talk about complex >>> expressions and the use of sections in the score. >>> >>> Google is your friend. >>> >>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >>> csound" >>> >>> >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >> csound" >> >> > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe > csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"