I've had an idea. Using the Jacko opcodes could someone send the
output of an instrument directly to jack? If so this offers the
possibility of doing multichannel instruments inside ableton live with
max4live. One can set up a live device that sends its outputs (say 8
channels) directly to Jack via Csound, bypassing the live output
altogether. Partikkel may in this case offer some interesting
possibilities inside live. Would this work?

P

On 14 November 2011 23:04, michael.gogins@gmail.com
 wrote:
> It can using the jacko opcodes.
>
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> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Justin Glenn Smith" 
> To: 
> Subject: [Csnd] Checking if csound is active
> Date: Sun, Nov 13, 2011 8:51 pm
>
>
> Jack does midi as well as audio. I don't know if csound can do midi input
> from jack though.
>
> Alex Weiss wrote:
>> I'm sorry if I wasn't specific: I indeed meant checking if the UI was
>> active/had the focus. But I've found a (somewhat akward) workardound that
>> uses different MIDI channels to accomplish what I wanted. I'm happy to say
>> that as now csound plays happily alongside NI Kontakt and Battery --
>> really
>> excited about my live gig now.
>>
>> I do have one more question, though: is there a MIDI equivalent to jack,
>> i.e. a virtual MIDI driver that allows me to route MIDI between
>> applications? I'm on OS X if that helps.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:48 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>>> In other words, the window in focus.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/13/11, Justin Smith  wrote:
>>> Not all UIs have that concept
>>>
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It's currently impossible to have a Live device with more than 2
outputs. And side-chaining isn't supported either (from what I can
see). But if the device did not have any inputs at all (say it read
samples from a buffer internally) then would it be possible to only
use it as an interface inside Live and bypass the live audio chain
altogether?

P

On 15 November 2011 18:58, Justin Smith  wrote:
> I think this would only be useful if Max and Ableton Live were using jack
> too, otherwise you would need to be responding to two different audio
> callbacks, right?
>
> ----- Original message -----
>> I've had an idea. Using the Jacko opcodes could someone send the
>> output of an instrument directly to jack? If so this offers the
>> possibility of doing multichannel instruments inside ableton live with
>> max4live. One can set up a live device that sends its outputs (say 8
>> channels) directly to Jack via Csound, bypassing the live output
>> altogether. Partikkel may in this case offer some interesting
>> possibilities inside live. Would this work?
>>
>> P
>>
>> On 14 November 2011 23:04, michael.gogins@gmail.com
>>  wrote:
>> > It can using the jacko opcodes.
>> >
>> > T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network
>> >
>> > ----- Reply message -----
>> > From: "Justin Glenn Smith" 
>> > To: 
>> > Subject: [Csnd] Checking if csound is active
>> > Date: Sun, Nov 13, 2011 8:51 pm
>> >
>> >
>> > Jack does midi as well as audio. I don't know if csound can do midi
>> > input from jack though.
>> >
>> > Alex Weiss wrote:
>> > > I'm sorry if I wasn't specific: I indeed meant checking if the UI was
>> > > active/had the focus. But I've found a (somewhat akward) workardound
>> > > that uses different MIDI channels to accomplish what I wanted. I'm
>> > > happy to say that as now csound plays happily alongside NI Kontakt
>> > > and Battery -- really
>> > > excited about my live gig now.
>> > >
>> > > I do have one more question, though: is there a MIDI equivalent to
>> > > jack, i.e. a virtual MIDI driver that allows me to route MIDI between
>> > > applications? I'm on OS X if that helps.
>> > >
>> > > Best,
>> > >
>> > > Alex
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:48 PM,  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > In other words, the window in focus.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 11/13/11, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> > > > Not all UIs have that concept
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
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I think this would only be useful if Max and Ableton Live were using jack too, otherwise you would need to be responding to two different audio callbacks, right?

----- Original message -----
> I've had an idea. Using the Jacko opcodes could someone send the
> output of an instrument directly to jack? If so this offers the
> possibility of doing multichannel instruments inside ableton live with
> max4live. One can set up a live device that sends its outputs (say 8
> channels) directly to Jack via Csound, bypassing the live output
> altogether. Partikkel may in this case offer some interesting
> possibilities inside live. Would this work?
>
> P
>
> On 14 November 2011 23:04, michael.gogins@gmail.com
> <michael.gogins@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It can using the jacko opcodes.
> >
> > T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network
> >
> > ----- Reply message -----
> > From: "Justin Glenn Smith" <noisesmith@gmail.com>
> > To: <csound@lists.bath.ac.uk>
> > Subject: [Csnd] Checking if csound is active
> > Date: Sun, Nov 13, 2011 8:51 pm
> >
> >
> > Jack does midi as well as audio. I don't know if csound can do midi
> > input from jack though.
> >
> > Alex Weiss wrote:
> > > I'm sorry if I wasn't specific: I indeed meant checking if the UI was
> > > active/had the focus. But I've found a (somewhat akward) workardound
> > > that uses different MIDI channels to accomplish what I wanted. I'm
> > > happy to say that as now csound plays happily alongside NI Kontakt
> > > and Battery -- really
> > > excited about my live gig now.
> > >
> > > I do have one more question, though: is there a MIDI equivalent to
> > > jack, i.e. a virtual MIDI driver that allows me to route MIDI between
> > > applications? I'm on OS X if that helps.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:48 PM, <jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > In other words, the window in focus.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/13/11, Justin Smith <noisesmith@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Not all UIs have that concept
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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I guess with the jacko opcode it's a possibility. But God knows what  
will happen. The jacko opcode does something to the way csound  
performs that I am not sure I follow completely. There is possibility  
for some funny interaction there.

Victor
On 15 Nov 2011, at 18:51, peiman khosravi wrote:

> It's currently impossible to have a Live device with more than 2
> outputs. And side-chaining isn't supported either (from what I can
> see). But if the device did not have any inputs at all (say it read
> samples from a buffer internally) then would it be possible to only
> use it as an interface inside Live and bypass the live audio chain
> altogether?
>
> P
>
> On 15 November 2011 18:58, Justin Smith  wrote:
>> I think this would only be useful if Max and Ableton Live were  
>> using jack
>> too, otherwise you would need to be responding to two different audio
>> callbacks, right?
>>
>> ----- Original message -----
>>> I've had an idea. Using the Jacko opcodes could someone send the
>>> output of an instrument directly to jack? If so this offers the
>>> possibility of doing multichannel instruments inside ableton live  
>>> with
>>> max4live. One can set up a live device that sends its outputs (say 8
>>> channels) directly to Jack via Csound, bypassing the live output
>>> altogether. Partikkel may in this case offer some interesting
>>> possibilities inside live. Would this work?
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>> On 14 November 2011 23:04, michael.gogins@gmail.com
>>>  wrote:
>>>> It can using the jacko opcodes.
>>>>
>>>> T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network
>>>>
>>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>>> From: "Justin Glenn Smith" 
>>>> To: 
>>>> Subject: [Csnd] Checking if csound is active
>>>> Date: Sun, Nov 13, 2011 8:51 pm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jack does midi as well as audio. I don't know if csound can do midi
>>>> input from jack though.
>>>>
>>>> Alex Weiss wrote:
>>>>> I'm sorry if I wasn't specific: I indeed meant checking if the  
>>>>> UI was
>>>>> active/had the focus. But I've found a (somewhat akward)  
>>>>> workardound
>>>>> that uses different MIDI channels to accomplish what I wanted. I'm
>>>>> happy to say that as now csound plays happily alongside NI Kontakt
>>>>> and Battery -- really
>>>>> excited about my live gig now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do have one more question, though: is there a MIDI equivalent to
>>>>> jack, i.e. a virtual MIDI driver that allows me to route MIDI  
>>>>> between
>>>>> applications? I'm on OS X if that helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:48 PM,  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> In other words, the window in focus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/13/11, Justin Smith  wrote:
>>>>>> Not all UIs have that concept
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Thanks! OK so I'll give it a shot and see if it works as a hack in live.

Will report back here.

Best,

Peiman

On 15 November 2011 19:14, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> I guess with the jacko opcode it's a possibility. But God knows what will
> happen. The jacko opcode does something to the way csound performs that I am
> not sure I follow completely. There is possibility for some funny
> interaction there.
>
> Victor
> On 15 Nov 2011, at 18:51, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> It's currently impossible to have a Live device with more than 2
>> outputs. And side-chaining isn't supported either (from what I can
>> see). But if the device did not have any inputs at all (say it read
>> samples from a buffer internally) then would it be possible to only
>> use it as an interface inside Live and bypass the live audio chain
>> altogether?
>>
>> P
>>
>> On 15 November 2011 18:58, Justin Smith  wrote:
>>>
>>> I think this would only be useful if Max and Ableton Live were using jack
>>> too, otherwise you would need to be responding to two different audio
>>> callbacks, right?
>>>
>>> ----- Original message -----
>>>>
>>>> I've had an idea. Using the Jacko opcodes could someone send the
>>>> output of an instrument directly to jack? If so this offers the
>>>> possibility of doing multichannel instruments inside ableton live with
>>>> max4live. One can set up a live device that sends its outputs (say 8
>>>> channels) directly to Jack via Csound, bypassing the live output
>>>> altogether. Partikkel may in this case offer some interesting
>>>> possibilities inside live. Would this work?
>>>>
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>> On 14 November 2011 23:04, michael.gogins@gmail.com
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It can using the jacko opcodes.
>>>>>
>>>>> T-Mobile. America’s First Nationwide 4G Network
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>>>> From: "Justin Glenn Smith" 
>>>>> To: 
>>>>> Subject: [Csnd] Checking if csound is active
>>>>> Date: Sun, Nov 13, 2011 8:51 pm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jack does midi as well as audio. I don't know if csound can do midi
>>>>> input from jack though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex Weiss wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry if I wasn't specific: I indeed meant checking if the UI was
>>>>>> active/had the focus. But I've found a (somewhat akward) workardound
>>>>>> that uses different MIDI channels to accomplish what I wanted. I'm
>>>>>> happy to say that as now csound plays happily alongside NI Kontakt
>>>>>> and Battery -- really
>>>>>> excited about my live gig now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do have one more question, though: is there a MIDI equivalent to
>>>>>> jack, i.e. a virtual MIDI driver that allows me to route MIDI between
>>>>>> applications? I'm on OS X if that helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:48 PM,  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In other words, the window in focus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/13/11, Justin Smith  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not all UIs have that concept
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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