...In real time?
and another question.
Say if I had an audio interface, could I use Csound as an FX processor for
my guitar in real time?



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> Is it possible to control a variable with a MIDI controller?
> ...In real time?

Short answer: yes. Slightly longer answer: Read the section "Real-time MIDI
Support" in the manual.

> and another question.
> Say if I had an audio interface, could I use Csound as an FX processor for
> my guitar in real time? 

Basically, yes -- but the results will depend on the latency of your system.
If you have a fast computer and you're using ASIO on the PC, CoreAudio on
the Mac, or [mumble] on Linux, you should be able to get the latency down to
less than 20 milliseconds, which you may find acceptable. However, you may
need to tweak the effects code to make it efficient in order to use a
smaller buffer size without hearing the sound break up.

If you need more specifics, please ask again.

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What instrument(s) do you play Jim?



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ctrl7 is your friend, just don't forget to the use the -M flag in your
.csd options.

On 14 November 2012 06:16, Cacophony7  wrote:
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> Say if I had an audio interface, could I use Csound as an FX processor for
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Or if you have Vista/7 on the PC you can use WASAPI (not available on
XP, sorry).

On 11/14/12, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> ctrl7 is your friend, just don't forget to the use the -M flag in your
> .csd options.
>
> On 14 November 2012 06:16, Cacophony7  wrote:
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>> and another question.
>> Say if I had an audio interface, could I use Csound as an FX processor
>> for
>> my guitar in real time?
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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Jim Aikin <midiguru23@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Is it possible to control a variable with a MIDI controller?
> ...In real time?

Short answer: yes. Slightly longer answer: Read the section "Real-time MIDI
Support" in the manual.

> and another question.
> Say if I had an audio interface, could I use Csound as an FX processor for
> my guitar in real time?

Basically, yes -- but the results will depend on the latency of your system.
If you have a fast computer and you're using ASIO on the PC, CoreAudio on
the Mac, or [mumble] on Linux, you should be able to get the latency down to

On Linux, it would be jackd.

 

less than 20 milliseconds, which you may find acceptable. However, you may
need to tweak the effects code to make it efficient in order to use a
smaller buffer size without hearing the sound break up.

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If you use CsoundQt and it is compiled with rt-midi support (you can see 
your MIDI interface in Configure->General->internal MIDI interface),
 
for me would be the most easy way to create a CsoundQt widget (a 
slider for example), attach a midi controller (insert channel number and 
controller number to the widget's properties' dialog box) and off you 
go!

ctrl7 is of course the straight way to do it csound.

tarmo

On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 10:16:32 PM Cacophony7 wrote:
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> Say if I had an audio interface, could I use Csound as an FX 
processor for
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Things can be tricky with alsa. Being sure you are using a real rather than virtual device, using optimal buffer sizes for compatibility with your own code and your latency needs. Jack acts as a single point of articulation where you have one well documented place to make these choices, rather than having to learn the quirks of how each of your programs use alsa. I don't know whether csound can configure alsa to work as efficiently as jack can. I do know that the performance of many apps is improved by using jack as an intermediary, because the jack developers know the most efficient way to set up the alsa subsystem. I would be surprised if csound could configure alsa to perform better than jack does. Additionally, for many professional quality devices, the alsa driver is not the best available, and jack can use the alternate driver (at least at one point this was the case for firewire devices, for example).

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Anders Genell <anders.genell@gmail.com> wrote:

Or plain alsa (on Linux), unless you need to route audio between different software or have several program accessing the sound card simultaneously...

Regards,

/Anders

14 nov 2012 kl. 15:30 skrev Justin Smith <noisesmith@gmail.com>:

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Jim Aikin <midiguru23@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Is it possible to control a variable with a MIDI controller?
> ...In real time?

Short answer: yes. Slightly longer answer: Read the section "Real-time MIDI
Support" in the manual.

> and another question.
> Say if I had an audio interface, could I use Csound as an FX processor for
> my guitar in real time?

Basically, yes -- but the results will depend on the latency of your system.
If you have a fast computer and you're using ASIO on the PC, CoreAudio on
the Mac, or [mumble] on Linux, you should be able to get the latency down to

On Linux, it would be jackd.

 

less than 20 milliseconds, which you may find acceptable. However, you may
need to tweak the effects code to make it efficient in order to use a
smaller buffer size without hearing the sound break up.

If you need more specifics, please ask again.

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I am sure you are right - I am by no means an expert, but I do believe csound can achieve equally low latency if combinations of -b -B and ksmps are done right. Even when using jack there is some tinkering to be done to various buffer sizes to achieve lowest possible latency. 

As for firewire devices I have never tried alsa, but there is the ffado project which indeed is supported by jack, and in that respect I completely agree with the use of jack as a "single point", also for those who prefer the still living version of oss. 

I have beaten my head against the wall a number of time trying to learn how to use alsa as well as jack and I still not sure I do things right. I would absolutely love for some wiz to write the ultimate in-depth how-to on Linux audio that does not expect the reader to be a professional programmer that has read through the entire alsa source code. 

The Audio Programming Book gave me excellent general understanding that helped me interpret som of the alsa wiki stuff, but far from everything is clear. 

Regards,

/Anders

14 nov 2012 kl. 16:36 skrev Justin Smith <noisesmith@gmail.com>:

Things can be tricky with alsa. Being sure you are using a real rather than virtual device, using optimal buffer sizes for compatibility with your own code and your latency needs. Jack acts as a single point of articulation where you have one well documented place to make these choices, rather than having to learn the quirks of how each of your programs use alsa. I don't know whether csound can configure alsa to work as efficiently as jack can. I do know that the performance of many apps is improved by using jack as an intermediary, because the jack developers know the most efficient way to set up the alsa subsystem. I would be surprised if csound could configure alsa to perform better than jack does. Additionally, for many professional quality devices, the alsa driver is not the best available, and jack can use the alternate driver (at least at one point this was the case for firewire devices, for example).

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Anders Genell <anders.genell@gmail.com> wrote:

Or plain alsa (on Linux), unless you need to route audio between different software or have several program accessing the sound card simultaneously...

Regards,

/Anders

14 nov 2012 kl. 15:30 skrev Justin Smith <noisesmith@gmail.com>:

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Jim Aikin <midiguru23@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Is it possible to control a variable with a MIDI controller?
> ...In real time?

Short answer: yes. Slightly longer answer: Read the section "Real-time MIDI
Support" in the manual.

> and another question.
> Say if I had an audio interface, could I use Csound as an FX processor for
> my guitar in real time?

Basically, yes -- but the results will depend on the latency of your system.
If you have a fast computer and you're using ASIO on the PC, CoreAudio on
the Mac, or [mumble] on Linux, you should be able to get the latency down to

On Linux, it would be jackd.

 

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need to tweak the effects code to make it efficient in order to use a
smaller buffer size without hearing the sound break up.

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Thanks y'all. The keys and the mod wheel work with my code. I have 24 knobs
and 9 sliders! can I access them with ctrl7's MIDI control number? How do I
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Check the keyboard manual.



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> Thanks y'all. The keys and the mod wheel work with my code. I have 24 knobs
> and 9 sliders! can I access them with ctrl7's MIDI control number? How do I
> know what number belongs to what knob, slider ect.?
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or use either the MIDI IO Test in CsoundQt, or even the manual example 
for the midiin opcode.
	joachim

Am 14.11.2012 23:25, schrieb Victor:
> Check the keyboard manual.
>
>
>
> On 14 Nov 2012, at 22:21, Cacophony7  wrote:
>
>> Thanks y'all. The keys and the mod wheel work with my code. I have 24 knobs
>> and 9 sliders! can I access them with ctrl7's MIDI control number? How do I
>> know what number belongs to what knob, slider ect.?
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Ok, I'm using CsoundQt. How do I use that MIDI IO test? where is it?



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Or just use this UDO

http://www.csounds.com/udo/displayOpcode.php?opcode_id=81

It will tell you the controlller number and channel of each of the
midi sliders. I find it most useful.

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the UDO works! great! thanks!



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Um I'm running my instrument for 1000 seconds in my csd file...

i 1 0 1000


...instead of running the instrument properly.

where's the better alternative?
I'm also getting some throbbing wind noise when I don't want to hear
anything when all keys are currently untouched.



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> i 1 0 1000
> 
>
> ...instead of running the instrument properly.

Not sure I understand what you mean? That seems a perfectly normal way
to run an instrument?

> where's the better alternative?
> I'm also getting some throbbing wind noise when I don't want to hear
> anything when all keys are currently untouched.

It's impossible to tell what the issue might be without seeing some
code. You can try simplifying your code and pasting it here.

instr 1

	kdum midiMonitor

	ifreq cpsmidi
	ifreq = ifreq

	kmod1 ctrl7 1, 10, 0, 1
	kmod2 ctrl7 1, 2, 0, 1
	kmod3 ctrl7 1, 12, 0, 1
	kmod4 ctrl7 1, 13, 0, 1

	kmod5 ctrl7 1, 42, 0, 1
	kmod6 ctrl7 1, 34, 0, 1 - kmod5
	kmod7 ctrl7 1, 44, 0, 1
	kmod8 ctrl7 1, 45, 0, 1 - kmod7

	;kFMmo should be more than zero.
	kFMmo oscil kmod5, ifreq*kmod1, 1	;kFMmo is from -1 to 1
	kFMmo = kFMmo + 1		;kFMmo is from 0 to 2 (it touches zero only if kmod5 is
1)

	;ifreq*kFMmo+kFMmp sould never be zero or negative so kFMmpA should be less
than 1 - kmod5
	;1 - kmod5 >= kFMmpA
	kFMmpA = kmod6
	kFMmp oscil ifreq*kFMmpA, ifreq*kmod2, 1

	;kFMdo should be more than zero.
	kFMdo oscil kmod7, ifreq*kmod3, 1	;kFMdo is from -1 to 1
	kFMdo = kFMdo + 1		;kFMdo is from 0 to 2 (it touches zero only if kmod7 is
1)

	;kFMdo + kFMdp should never be zero or negative so kFMdpA should be less
than 1 - kmod7
	kFMdpA = kmod8
	kFMdp oscil kFMdpA, ifreq*kmod4, 1

	;I don't want a zero frequency whenever a key is pressed at any time the
instrument is active
	;The frequency can be zero when the keyboard is idle
	aout oscil 1/16, (ifreq*kFMmo+kFMmp)/(kFMdo+kFMdp), 3
	outs aout, aout

	endin



f 1 0 32768 10 1
f 2 0 32768 10 60 30 20 15 12 10
f 3 0 32768 10 2 3 5
f 4 0 32768 10 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19

i 1 0 1000





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Do you want the instrument to start each time you press a key? if so
you can use

f0 3600

in your score and take out the i-statement. If you want to pass
midi-key/amplitude information to your instrument through p-fields(I'd
recommend it) you should use the midi interop-flags. See trivial
example below:



-odac -M0 --midi-key-cps=4 --midi-velocity-amp=5


sr = 44100
0dbfs = 1
nchnls = 2

;MIDI setup if you don't have a MIDI keyboard..
;-odac -+rtmidi=virtual -M0 --midi-key-cps=4 --midi-velocity-amp=5

instr 1
iamp = p5
ifreq = p4

kslid1 ctrl7 1, 70, 1, 10
kenv linenr .5, 0.01, 1, 0.01
acar1 buzz kenv*p5, p4, kslid1, 1

outs acar1, acar1
endin



f1 0 4096 10 1
f0 3600

that's strange! I don't see any p fields in the score



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...let me guess. It's the flags in the options department.



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Sure is. The nice thing about this approach is that you can share
instruments quite easily because you are not using an MIDI opcodes in
your instruments. It doesn't provide a mechanism for retrieving MIDI
CC messages which is the only draw back. It would be nice to do
something like
-+midi-cc-1:1=6
which would then pipe CC messages from midi controller 1 on channel 1
to p-field 6. Perhaps Mike could be gently persuaded to add this...

Now my instrument responds to how hard I hit my key. so cool! thanks!



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Thank Mike Goggins for that!

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Now I'm trying to get the same project to work with the vowgen UDO but it
wont play on the keyboard with f0 3600 or even i 1 0 1000.



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It's most likely playing but your instrument is just not outputting any sounds?

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> wont play on the keyboard with f0 3600 or even i 1 0 1000.
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I think your right but here's the changed code on the bottom:


		aout vowgen ((p4*kFMmo+kFMmp)/(kFMdo+kFMdp)), 30, 0, 3
		aout = aout * (p5/8)
		outs aout, aout

	endin



f 1 0 32768 10 1
f 2 0 32768 10 60 30 20 15 12 10
f 3 0 32768 10 2 3 5
f 4 0 32768 10 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19

f0 3600



sure it makes sound if I replace p4 with a number and f0 3600 with an i
statement but the keyboard changes nothing.



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When you use f0 3600 and play some notes do you get some text messages
from Csound?



On 15 November 2012 23:34, Cacophony7  wrote:
> I think your right but here's the changed code on the bottom:
>
>
>                 aout vowgen ((p4*kFMmo+kFMmp)/(kFMdo+kFMdp)), 30, 0, 3
>                 aout = aout * (p5/8)
>                 outs aout, aout
>
>         endin
>
> 
> 
> f 1 0 32768 10 1
> f 2 0 32768 10 60 30 20 15 12 10
> f 3 0 32768 10 2 3 5
> f 4 0 32768 10 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19
>
> f0 3600
> 
> 
>
> sure it makes sound if I replace p4 with a number and f0 3600 with an i
> statement but the keyboard changes nothing.
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Yes.



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Then the problem is clearly that your instrument is simply not
outputted an audible signal. It's impossible to tell why without
looking at the full code, including the CsOptions...

On 16 November 2012 00:21, Cacophony7  wrote:
> Yes.
>
>
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I don't understand why it won't work. This is ALL of the code:


 
-odac -M0 --midi-key-cps=4 --midi-velocity-amp=5 



	sr = 44100
	ksmps = 1
	nchnls = 2
	0dbfs = 1

	opcode midiMonitor, k,o
		kMidiSig = 0
		kstatus, kchan, kdata1, kdata2 midiin
		k1 changed kstatus
		k2 changed kchan
		k3 changed kdata1
		k4 changed kdata2
		if((k1==1)||(k2==1)||(k3==1)||(k4==1)) then
		printks "Value:%d ChanNo:%d CtrlNo:%d\n" , 0, kdata2, kchan, kdata1  
		kMidiSig = 1   
		endif 
		xout kMidiSig
	endop

	opcode	vowgen,	a, kkki

		kfund,kmorf,koct,imode xin

		imorf	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, 10, 1; must be 16 elements long because vowels
are in tables of length 16
		ifenv	ftgentmp 0, 0, 4096, 19, .5, .5, 270, .5
		ivib	ftgentmp 0, 0, 4096, 10, 1
		if imode == 0 igoto bass
		if imode == 1 igoto tenor
		if imode == 2 igoto countertenor
		if imode == 3 igoto alto
		if imode == 4 igoto soprano
		bass:
		ia	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 600, 1040, 2250, 2450, 2750, 0,  -7,  -9,  -9,
-20, 60, 70, 110, 120, 130
		ie	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 400, 1620, 2400, 2800, 3100, 0, -12,  -9, -12,
-18, 40, 80, 100, 120, 120
		ii	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 350, 1700, 2700, 3700, 4950, 0, -20, -30, -22,
-28, 60, 90, 100, 120, 120
		io	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 450, 800,  2830, 3500, 4950, 0, -11, -21, -20,
-40, 40, 80, 100, 120, 120
		iu	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 325, 700,  2530, 3500, 4950, 0, -20, -32, -28,
-36, 40, 80, 100, 120, 120
		igoto ind
		tenor:
		ia	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 650, 1080, 2650, 2900, 3250, 0,  -6,  -7,  -8,
-22, 80, 90, 120, 130, 140	
		ie	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 400, 1700, 2600, 3200, 3580, 0, -14, -12, -14,
-20, 70, 80, 100, 120, 120	
		ii	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 290, 1870, 2800, 3250, 3540, 0, -15, -18, -20,
-30, 40, 90, 100, 120, 120	
		io	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 400,  800, 2600, 2800, 3000, 0, -10, -12, -12,
-26, 70, 80, 100, 130, 135	
		iu	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 350,  600, 2700, 2900, 3300, 0, -20, -17, -14,
-26, 40, 60, 100, 120, 120
		igoto ind
		countertenor:
		ia	ftgentmp 990, 0, 16, -2, 660, 1120, 2750, 3000, 3350, 0,  -6, -23, -24,
-38, 80, 90, 120, 130, 140	
		ie	ftgentmp 991, 0, 16, -2, 440, 1800, 2700, 3000, 3300, 0, -14, -18, -20,
-20, 70, 80, 100, 120, 120	
		ii	ftgentmp 992, 0, 16, -2, 270, 1850, 2900, 3350, 3590, 0, -24, -24, -36,
-36, 40, 90, 100, 120, 120	
		io	ftgentmp 993, 0, 16, -2, 430,  820, 2700, 3000, 3300, 0, -10, -26, -22,
-34, 40, 80, 100, 120, 120	
		iu	ftgentmp 994, 0, 16, -2, 370,  630, 2750, 3000, 3400, 0, -20, -23, -30,
-34, 40, 60, 100, 120, 120
		igoto ind
		alto:
		ia	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 800, 1150, 2800, 3500, 4950, 0,  -4, -20, -36,
-60, 80,  90, 120, 130, 140
		ie	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 400, 1600, 2700, 3300, 4950, 0, -24, -30, -35,
-60, 60,  80, 120, 150, 200
		ii	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 350, 1700, 2700, 3700, 4950, 0, -20, -30, -36,
-60, 50, 100, 120, 150, 200
		io	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 450, 800,  2830, 3500, 4950, 0,  -9, -16, -28,
-55, 70,  80, 100, 130, 135
		iu	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 325, 700,  2530, 3500, 4950, 0, -12, -30, -40,
-64, 50,  60, 170, 180, 200
		igoto ind
		soprano:
		ia	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 800, 1150, 2900, 3900, 4950, 0,  -6, -32, -20,
-50, 80,  90, 120, 130, 140	
		ie	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 350, 2000, 2800, 3600, 4950, 0, -20, -15, -40,
-56, 60, 100, 120, 150, 200	
		ii	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 270, 2140, 2950, 3900, 4950, 0, -12, -26, -26,
-44, 60,  90, 100, 120, 120	
		io	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 450,  800, 2830, 3800, 4950, 0, -11, -22, -22,
-50, 40,  80, 100, 120, 120	
		iu	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, 325,  700, 2700, 3800, 4950, 0, -16, -35, -40,
-60, 50,  60, 170, 180, 200
		igoto ind

		ind:
		index	ftgentmp 0, 0, 16, -2, ia, ie, ii, ia, io, iu, ie, io, ii, iu, ia,
io, ia, ia, ia, ia, ia


		ftmorf	kmorf, index, imorf

		kfx	=	0
		kform1	table	kfx,   imorf
		kform2	table	kfx+1, imorf
		kform3	table	kfx+2, imorf
		kform4	table	kfx+3, imorf
		kform5	table	kfx+4, imorf
		kamp1	table	kfx+5, imorf
		kamp2	table	kfx+6, imorf
		kamp3	table	kfx+7, imorf
		kamp4	table	kfx+8, imorf
		kamp5	table	kfx+9, imorf
		kbw1	table	kfx+10,imorf
		kbw2	table	kfx+11,imorf
		kbw3	table	kfx+12, imorf
		kbw4	table	kfx+13, imorf
		kbw5	table	kfx+14, imorf

		iolaps	=	200
		a1	fof	ampdbfs(kamp1),  kfund,  kform1,  koct, kbw1, .003,  .02,  .007, 
iolaps,  ivib, ifenv,  p3
		a2	fof	ampdbfs(kamp2),  kfund,  kform2,  koct, kbw2, .003,  .02,  .007, 
iolaps,  ivib, ifenv,  p3
		a3	fof	ampdbfs(kamp3),  kfund,  kform3,  koct, kbw3, .003,  .02,  .007, 
iolaps,  ivib, ifenv,  p3
		a4	fof	ampdbfs(kamp4),  kfund,  kform4,  koct, kbw4, .003,  .02,  .007, 
iolaps,  ivib, ifenv,  p3
		a5	fof	ampdbfs(kamp5),  kfund,  kform5,  koct, kbw5, .003,  .02,  .007, 
iolaps,  ivib, ifenv,  p3
		asig	=	a1+a2+a3+a4+a5

		xout	asig
	endop


	instr 1

		kdum midiMonitor

		iamp = p5 
		ifreq = p4

		kmod1 ctrl7 1, 10, 0, 1
		kmod2 ctrl7 1, 2, 0, 1
		kmod3 ctrl7 1, 12, 0, 1
		kmod4 ctrl7 1, 13, 0, 1

		kmod5 ctrl7 1, 42, 0, 1
		kmod6 ctrl7 1, 34, 0, 1 - kmod5
		kmod7 ctrl7 1, 44, 0, 1
		kmod8 ctrl7 1, 45, 0, 1 - kmod7

		;kFMmo should be more than zero.
		kFMmo oscil kmod5, ifreq*kmod1, 1	;kFMmo is from -1 to 1
		kFMmo = kFMmo + 1		;kFMmo is from 0 to 2 (it touches zero only if kmod5 is
1)

		;ifreq*kFMmo+kFMmp sould never be zero or negative so kFMmpA should be
less than 1 - kmod5
		;1 - kmod5 >= kFMmpA
		kFMmpA = kmod6
		kFMmp oscil ifreq*kFMmpA, ifreq*kmod2, 1

		;kFMdo should be more than zero.
		kFMdo oscil kmod7, ifreq*kmod3, 1	;kFMdo is from -1 to 1
		kFMdo = kFMdo + 1		;kFMdo is from 0 to 2 (it touches zero only if kmod7 is
1)

		;kFMdo + kFMdp should never be zero or negative so kFMdpA should be less
than 1 - kmod7
		kFMdpA = kmod8
		kFMdp oscil kFMdpA, ifreq*kmod4, 1

		;I don't want a zero frequency whenever a key is pressed at any time the
instrument is active
		;The frequency can be zero when the keyboard is idle
		aout vowgen ((p4*kFMmo+kFMmp)/(kFMdo+kFMdp)), 30, 0, 3
		aout = aout * (p5/8)
		outs aout, aout

	endin



f 1 0 32768 10 1
f 2 0 32768 10 60 30 20 15 12 10
f 3 0 32768 10 2 3 5
f 4 0 32768 10 2 3 5 7 11 13 17 19

f0 3600





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I'm not quite sure either. It is odd that it runs with an i-statement
but not when using the midi interop flags. I'm afraid I have to call
it a night. I can take a closer look tomorrow. I'm quite tired so I
wouldn't be surprised if the answer is staring us right in the face!

it is in Examples > Useful.

Am 14.11.2012 23:42, schrieb Cacophony7:
> Ok, I'm using CsoundQt. How do I use that MIDI IO test? where is it?
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Aha! perhaps I'm supposed to use a k-rate variable instead of an i-rate for
kfund of the vowgen opcode.
I need a conversion, right?.



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It's still not working. All I wanna do is control the vowgen UDO with my
keyboard.



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I'm at a loss here. Just tried to trigger this from MIDI again but
with no luck. I don't know if it's something with the tables, or what.
If you want to use the UDO with the keyboard you can always just have
the instrument always on and use another MIDI controlled instrument to
control its amplitude and pitch. See the attached file. You'll need to
swap out my CsOptions for your own. And also change the ctrl7
parameters to match your own keyboard.

On 17 November 2012 00:20, Cacophony7  wrote:
> Aha! perhaps I'm supposed to use a k-rate variable instead of an i-rate for
> kfund of the vowgen opcode.
> I need a conversion, right?.
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See my previous mail, hopefully it will give you something to play with!

On 17 November 2012 02:56, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> I'm at a loss here. Just tried to trigger this from MIDI again but
> with no luck. I don't know if it's something with the tables, or what.
> If you want to use the UDO with the keyboard you can always just have
> the instrument always on and use another MIDI controlled instrument to
> control its amplitude and pitch. See the attached file. You'll need to
> swap out my CsOptions for your own. And also change the ctrl7
> parameters to match your own keyboard.
>
> On 17 November 2012 00:20, Cacophony7  wrote:
>> Aha! perhaps I'm supposed to use a k-rate variable instead of an i-rate for
>> kfund of the vowgen opcode.
>> I need a conversion, right?.
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Thanks. The code plays the notes on the keyboard. I'll read your code for an
hour or so.



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...Why is it not necessary to compile 0dbfs = 1? you commented it out

;0dbfs = 1



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It doesn't make any difference in this case.

On 17 November 2012 04:29, Cacophony7  wrote:
> ...Why is it not necessary to compile 0dbfs = 1? you commented it out
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This would be a huge improvement to this wonderful system,  Mike?

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On Nov 15, 2012, at 3:27 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:

> Sure is. The nice thing about this approach is that you can share
> instruments quite easily because you are not using an MIDI opcodes in
> your instruments. It doesn't provide a mechanism for retrieving MIDI
> CC messages which is the only draw back. It would be nice to do
> something like
> -+midi-cc-1:1=6
> which would then pipe CC messages from midi controller 1 on channel 1
> to p-field 6. Perhaps Mike could be gently persuaded to add this...
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Hi Richard, are you referring to piping CC message using interop
flags? If so then yes, it would be a nice addition indeed but not
without its limitations. CC messages during a note would not be passed
through. No big deal. Would still be nice.