I am building a sound synthesis application using the Eclipse RCP framework
(EPL)
CSOUND (LGPL)
APACHE CXF (ASF)
and other libraries based on the bsd licence

My question is: what licence or dual licence setup do I require to make my
project as
accessible as possible to the csound community and other open source
developers?

Look forward to hearing from you!

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Triing is a piece on did on a Sony PSP with the "Beaterator" software by Rockstar Games. A short (.125 second) sample from an additive Csound synth was used to create the keyboard pad in Beaterator. Other than that, the whole thing was done using the PSP.
http://soundcloud.com/brian-wong/triing
Fmid-1 is a blue project I made last year for a FM midi synth. I never bothered releasing it, because it does not use Steven's new midi framework and I am really waiting to see what he comes up with before spending much time on midi. I don't really use midi much.
Nonetheless, possibly some people might find it useful as an example or possibly even in a composition. It is a simple single-operator FM synth created with blueSynthBuilder; with FM modulation index linked adjustably to the modwheel, microtonally adjustable pitchbend and alternate tunings with keyboard mapping. One nice feature of the implementation is that partial keyboard mappings are possible; an examples are included of 12-TET and 5-TET (black keys only) tunings and keyboard mappings.
Additionally you can uncomment the last three lines of instrument code to record your playing to a soundfile. Don't expect miracles with this; on my feeble old computer at least the results are less than impressive. Playing too many notes or too fast turns the output to trash. That pertains whether or not the recording is on, but is of course much worse when recording to disk.
Please find a copy of FMID-03.blue attached to this file. Comments welcome.
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I just installed v5.13 and trying out the looptseg opcode for the 1st time I notice some problems with the documentation in the manual.
It currently reads as :ksig looptseg kfreq, ktrig, ktime0, kvalue0, ktype, [, ktime1] [,ktype1] [, kvalue1] \

      [, ktime2] [,ktype2] [, kvalue2] [...]From what I can tell I think it should read :
ksig looptseg kfreq, ktrig, ktime0, kvalue0, ktype, [, ktime1] [,kvalue1] [, ktype1] \

      [, ktime2] [, kvalue2] [...] 		 	   		  

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Hm, this could possibly be a subject where a long discussion could be
written. It has also been discussed at some length before.
Others on this list will probably have more detailed information about
the pros and cons of different licenses.
For my own projects, I have been using GPL and LGPL. I think that LGPL
will give the most freedom to the users, as it is allows more
combinations with other kinds of licenses in case someone wants to use
parts of your code in another project. However, as I said, it is a
long discussion, and only you can know what will be acceptable for
your work.
Oeyvind

2011/4/1 conordempsey :
> I am building a sound synthesis application using the Eclipse RCP framework
> (EPL)
> CSOUND (LGPL)
> APACHE CXF (ASF)
> and other libraries based on the bsd licence
>
> My question is: what licence or dual licence setup do I require to make my
> project as
> accessible as possible to the csound community and other open source
> developers?
>
> Look forward to hearing from you!
>
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Hello Brian,

i made some variations on the given example and i think you are right.
I will change this error in the manual,

thanks
Menno

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Thanks Menno, and to John and whoever requested creation of this opcode. I am finding it very useful for complex vibrato, tremelo and panning.
Brian

----------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:12:20 -0700
> From: nabob_cd@yahoo.com
> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Subject: [Csnd] Re: looptseg manual errors
>
> Hello Brian,
>
> i made some variations on the given example and i think you are right.
> I will change this error in the manual,
>
> thanks
> Menno
>
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Can csound be used as a dssi instrument plugin on Linux? I know it can
be used as a ladspa processor, but wondering if I can pull csound in
as a dssi plugin on rosegarden?

On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Brian Wong  wrote:
> I suppose there is a good reason there is no AU version of Csound, but as
> someone who just bought a Mac for the 1st time I am not aware of what the
> reason is. In view of the VST licensing issues I have read mentioned by Mr.
> Gogins, I am guessing there are AU licensing issues also. Can anyone provide
> me with any information on this topic? Is there any interest in a Csound AU
> among other Csounders out there?
> Brian Wong


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It's not difficult to build an AU interface for Csound. I'll provide a
tool for doing this in the next few weeks, or shortly after the LAC.

Rory.



On 11 April 2011 20:32, Brian Wong  wrote:
> I suppose there is a good reason there is no AU version of Csound, but as
> someone who just bought a Mac for the 1st time I am not aware of what the
> reason is. In view of the VST licensing issues I have read mentioned by Mr.
> Gogins, I am guessing there are AU licensing issues also. Can anyone provide
> me with any information on this topic? Is there any interest in a Csound AU
> among other Csounders out there?
> Brian Wong


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Thanks Rory,

I propose to buy you a beer at LAC on behalf of every mac Csound user!

Peiman

On 11/04/2011 20:36, Rory Walsh wrote:
> It's not difficult to build an AU interface for Csound. I'll provide a
> tool for doing this in the next few weeks, or shortly after the LAC.
>
> Rory.
>
>
>
> On 11 April 2011 20:32, Brian Wong  wrote:
>> I suppose there is a good reason there is no AU version of Csound, but as
>> someone who just bought a Mac for the 1st time I am not aware of what the
>> reason is. In view of the VST licensing issues I have read mentioned by Mr.
>> Gogins, I am guessing there are AU licensing issues also. Can anyone provide
>> me with any information on this topic? Is there any interest in a Csound AU
>> among other Csounders out there?
>> Brian Wong
>
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An Eigenharp. Wow, it'll take a while to master that. We look forward
to hearing what you come up with!

On 11 April 2011 20:51, Brian Wong  wrote:
> That would be really great Rory! I just emptied my bank account and bought a
> Macbook Pro and an Eigenharp Pico (
> http://www.eigenlabs.com/product/pico/ ), and hope that I can learn to use a
> Csound AU and OSC to make synths for it. No rush though, it will take me a
> few weeks just to make a start on assimilating the EigenD documentation. :)
>
> Brian
>> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:36:20 +0100
>> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
>>
>> It's not difficult to build an AU interface for Csound. I'll provide a
>> tool for doing this in the next few weeks, or shortly after the LAC.
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11 April 2011 20:32, Brian Wong  wrote:
>> > I suppose there is a good reason there is no AU version of Csound, but
>> > as
>> > someone who just bought a Mac for the 1st time I am not aware of what
>> > the
>> > reason is. In view of the VST licensing issues I have read mentioned by
>> > Mr.
>> > Gogins, I am guessing there are AU licensing issues also. Can anyone
>> > provide
>> > me with any information on this topic? Is there any interest in a Csound
>> > AU
>> > among other Csounders out there?
>> > Brian Wong
>>
>>
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Can you load plugins with the Eigenharp sampler?

On 11 April 2011 23:42, Brian Wong  wrote:
> I checked their website, and read that though OSC support is planned in the
> indefinite future, it is not yet available. MIDI control of Csound would be
> possible now with the Eigenharp, but the MIDI output is only a compressed
> version, losing a significant amount of info. MIDI is not fast enough to
> fully handle the amount of data necessary. I am not sure if or how the AU
> would work without OSC.
> Brian
> ________________________________
> From: Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie
> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:34:55 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
>
> Well, I am sure the easiest thing right now for you is to either use OSC or
> MDI into Csound.
> Victor
> On 11 Apr 2011, at 20:51, Brian Wong wrote:
>
> That would be really great Rory! I just emptied my bank account and bought a
> Macbook Pro and an Eigenharp Pico
> ( http://www.eigenlabs.com/product/pico/ ), and hope that I can learn to use
> a Csound AU and OSC to make synths for it. No rush though, it will take me a
> few weeks just to make a start on assimilating the EigenD documentation. :)
>
> Brian
>> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:36:20 +0100
>> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
>>
>> It's not difficult to build an AU interface for Csound. I'll provide a
>> tool for doing this in the next few weeks, or shortly after the LAC.
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11 April 2011 20:32, Brian Wong  wrote:
>> > I suppose there is a good reason there is no AU version of Csound, but
>> > as
>> > someone who just bought a Mac for the 1st time I am not aware of what
>> > the
>> > reason is. In view of the VST licensing issues I have read mentioned by
>> > Mr.
>> > Gogins, I am guessing there are AU licensing issues also. Can anyone
>> > provide
>> > me with any information on this topic? Is there any interest in a Csound
>> > AU
>> > among other Csounders out there?
>> > Brian Wong
>>
>>
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>
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Senior Lecturer
> Dept. of Music
> NUI Maynooth Ireland
> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>
>
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Victor,
Here is the substance of an email (quoted by permission) from John Lambert, CEO of Eigenlabs, sent to me in response to my query about Csound interoperability and algorithmic composition.
> We don't have any plans to build any algorithmic composition directly in to EigenD at the moment. We do however plan to make the basic intra Agent (Agents are the primary unit of code inside EigenD) protocol OSC compatible in the relatively near future, which will allow you to run cSound as a separate process (or as a VST in a suitable host) and communicate with EigenD directly. We've taken our first step towards this with Stage already, which uses OSC as its network control protocol. You can also use MIDI to get data out of EigenD - we now have extensive and highly configurable gateway Agents in the basic factory setups.
>
> Workbench is now in testing internally and is getting towards an early experimental release. It allows one to wire up and change internal EigenD Agents, somewhat in the style of MaxMSP if you're familiar with that. In order for this to be fully useful to you with cSound without MIDI you will need the OSC functionality - I can't yet give you an ETA on that I'm afraid.
>
> The other thing that might be of interest to you is we a just on the cusp (as in the next week or two) of open sourcing the main body (not all of it, but the core and many Agents) of EigenD under GPL v3. If you're able to code in C++ I suspect that you may well be able to use cSound to build some fascinating native EigenD Agents. If you do get interested in this after the release, please let me know. I personally find algorithmically driven composition and performance a fascinating area, one little explored in popular music to date and would be greatly interested to see the Eigenharp used in this area.BW


________________________________
> From: Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie
> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:51:17 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
>
> But this language is unlikely to be as full featured as Csound, SC3 or
> PD. They need to provide a more open framework.
>
> Victor
> On 12 Apr 2011, at 01:58, Brian Wong wrote:
>
> Yes, it can load plugins, AU or VST, depending on platform I think. It
> also loads SF2 Soundfonts, and comes with a reduced feature version of
> Alchemy. The more uncommon feature is the two physical models, cello
> and clarinet. They are very cool, and played by an expert can sound
> surprisingly good. Hopefully these two physical models are just a
> start, and the announced opening up of the instrument design language
> to the user community seems like a very promising development.
>
> Brian
>
> > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:18:46 +0100
> > From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
> > To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
> >
> > Can you load plugins with the Eigenharp sampler?
> >
> > On 11 April 2011 23:42, Brian Wong
> > wrote:
> > > I checked their website, and read that though OSC support is
> planned in the
> > > indefinite future, it is not yet available. MIDI control of Csound
> would be
> > > possible now with the Eigenharp, but the MIDI output is only a compressed
> > > version, losing a significant amount of info. MIDI is not fast enough to
> > > fully handle the amount of data necessary. I am not sure if or how the AU
> > > would work without OSC.
> > > Brian
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie
> > > To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:34:55 +0100
> > > Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
> > >
> > > Well, I am sure the easiest thing right now for you is to either
> use OSC or
> > > MDI into Csound.
> > > Victor
> > > On 11 Apr 2011, at 20:51, Brian Wong wrote:
> > >
> > > That would be really great Rory! I just emptied my bank account and
> bought a
> > > Macbook Pro and an Eigenharp Pico
> > > ( http://www.eigenlabs.com/product/pico/ ), and hope that I can
> learn to use
> > > a Csound AU and OSC to make synths for it. No rush though, it will
> take me a
> > > few weeks just to make a start on assimilating the EigenD
> documentation. :)
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:36:20 +0100
> > >> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
> > >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> > >> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
> > >>
> > >> It's not difficult to build an AU interface for Csound. I'll provide a
> > >> tool for doing this in the next few weeks, or shortly after the LAC.
> > >>
> > >> Rory.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 11 April 2011 20:32, Brian Wong
> > wrote:
> > >> > I suppose there is a good reason there is no AU version of Csound, but
> > >> > as
> > >> > someone who just bought a Mac for the 1st time I am not aware of what
> > >> > the
> > >> > reason is. In view of the VST licensing issues I have read
> mentioned by
> > >> > Mr.
> > >> > Gogins, I am guessing there are AU licensing issues also. Can anyone
> > >> > provide
> > >> > me with any information on this topic? Is there any interest in
> a Csound
> > >> > AU
> > >> > among other Csounders out there?
> > >> > Brian Wong
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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> > >>
> > >
> > > Dr Victor Lazzarini
> > > Senior Lecturer
> > > Dept. of Music
> > > NUI Maynooth Ireland
> > > tel.: +353 1 708 3545
> > > Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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>
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
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> NUI Maynooth Ireland
> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>
>
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If they are going to open up the source then I don't think it would be
difficult to build a Csound 'agent'. Can the software run without an
Eigenharp? If not then your will probably have to develop the agent
yourself. If not let me know when the source is released and I'll see
if I can add an Eigenharp agent into my current work. It looks like
I'll be on OSX for the summer.

Rory.


On 12 April 2011 13:43, Brian Wong  wrote:
>
> Victor,
> Here is the substance of an email (quoted by permission) from John Lambert, CEO of Eigenlabs, sent to me in response to my query about Csound interoperability and algorithmic composition.
>> We don't have any plans to build any algorithmic composition directly in to EigenD at the moment. We do however plan to make the basic intra Agent (Agents are the primary unit of code inside EigenD) protocol OSC compatible in the relatively near future, which will allow you to run cSound as a separate process (or as a VST in a suitable host) and communicate with EigenD directly. We've taken our first step towards this with Stage already, which uses OSC as its network control protocol. You can also use MIDI to get data out of EigenD - we now have extensive and highly configurable gateway Agents in the basic factory setups.
>>
>> Workbench is now in testing internally and is getting towards an early experimental release. It allows one to wire up and change internal EigenD Agents, somewhat in the style of MaxMSP if you're familiar with that. In order for this to be fully useful to you with cSound without MIDI you will need the OSC functionality - I can't yet give you an ETA on that I'm afraid.
>>
>> The other thing that might be of interest to you is we a just on the cusp (as in the next week or two) of open sourcing the main body (not all of it, but the core and many Agents) of EigenD under GPL v3. If you're able to code in C++ I suspect that you may well be able to use cSound to build some fascinating native EigenD Agents. If you do get interested in this after the release, please let me know. I personally find algorithmically driven composition and performance a fascinating area, one little explored in popular music to date and would be greatly interested to see the Eigenharp used in this area.BW
>
>
> ________________________________
>> From: Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie
>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:51:17 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
>>
>> But this language is unlikely to be as full featured as Csound, SC3 or
>> PD. They need to provide a more open framework.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 12 Apr 2011, at 01:58, Brian Wong wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it can load plugins, AU or VST, depending on platform I think. It
>> also loads SF2 Soundfonts, and comes with a reduced feature version of
>> Alchemy. The more uncommon feature is the two physical models, cello
>> and clarinet. They are very cool, and played by an expert can sound
>> surprisingly good. Hopefully these two physical models are just a
>> start, and the announced opening up of the instrument design language
>> to the user community seems like a very promising development.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> > Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:18:46 +0100
>> > From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>> > To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> > Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
>> >
>> > Can you load plugins with the Eigenharp sampler?
>> >
>> > On 11 April 2011 23:42, Brian Wong
>> > wrote:
>> > > I checked their website, and read that though OSC support is
>> planned in the
>> > > indefinite future, it is not yet available. MIDI control of Csound
>> would be
>> > > possible now with the Eigenharp, but the MIDI output is only a compressed
>> > > version, losing a significant amount of info. MIDI is not fast enough to
>> > > fully handle the amount of data necessary. I am not sure if or how the AU
>> > > would work without OSC.
>> > > Brian
>> > > ________________________________
>> > > From: Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie
>> > > To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> > > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:34:55 +0100
>> > > Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
>> > >
>> > > Well, I am sure the easiest thing right now for you is to either
>> use OSC or
>> > > MDI into Csound.
>> > > Victor
>> > > On 11 Apr 2011, at 20:51, Brian Wong wrote:
>> > >
>> > > That would be really great Rory! I just emptied my bank account and
>> bought a
>> > > Macbook Pro and an Eigenharp Pico
>> > > ( http://www.eigenlabs.com/product/pico/ ), and hope that I can
>> learn to use
>> > > a Csound AU and OSC to make synths for it. No rush though, it will
>> take me a
>> > > few weeks just to make a start on assimilating the EigenD
>> documentation. :)
>> > >
>> > > Brian
>> > >> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:36:20 +0100
>> > >> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>> > >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> > >> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
>> > >>
>> > >> It's not difficult to build an AU interface for Csound. I'll provide a
>> > >> tool for doing this in the next few weeks, or shortly after the LAC.
>> > >>
>> > >> Rory.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 11 April 2011 20:32, Brian Wong
>> > wrote:
>> > >> > I suppose there is a good reason there is no AU version of Csound, but
>> > >> > as
>> > >> > someone who just bought a Mac for the 1st time I am not aware of what
>> > >> > the
>> > >> > reason is. In view of the VST licensing issues I have read
>> mentioned by
>> > >> > Mr.
>> > >> > Gogins, I am guessing there are AU licensing issues also. Can anyone
>> > >> > provide
>> > >> > me with any information on this topic? Is there any interest in
>> a Csound
>> > >> > AU
>> > >> > among other Csounders out there?
>> > >> > Brian Wong
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yes, that looks like the way to go. So you can just use the API.  
Meanwhile, looks like MIDI might be a way to go.

Victor


On 12 Apr 2011, at 14:54, Rory Walsh wrote:

> If they are going to open up the source then I don't think it would be
> difficult to build a Csound 'agent'. Can the software run without an
> Eigenharp? If not then your will probably have to develop the agent
> yourself. If not let me know when the source is released and I'll see
> if I can add an Eigenharp agent into my current work. It looks like
> I'll be on OSX for the summer.
>
> Rory.
>
>
> On 12 April 2011 13:43, Brian Wong  wrote:
>>
>> Victor,
>> Here is the substance of an email (quoted by permission) from John  
>> Lambert, CEO of Eigenlabs, sent to me in response to my query about  
>> Csound interoperability and algorithmic composition.
>>> We don't have any plans to build any algorithmic composition  
>>> directly in to EigenD at the moment. We do however plan to make  
>>> the basic intra Agent (Agents are the primary unit of code inside  
>>> EigenD) protocol OSC compatible in the relatively near future,  
>>> which will allow you to run cSound as a separate process (or as a  
>>> VST in a suitable host) and communicate with EigenD directly.  
>>> We've taken our first step towards this with Stage already, which  
>>> uses OSC as its network control protocol. You can also use MIDI to  
>>> get data out of EigenD - we now have extensive and highly  
>>> configurable gateway Agents in the basic factory setups.
>>>
>>> Workbench is now in testing internally and is getting towards an  
>>> early experimental release. It allows one to wire up and change  
>>> internal EigenD Agents, somewhat in the style of MaxMSP if you're  
>>> familiar with that. In order for this to be fully useful to you  
>>> with cSound without MIDI you will need the OSC functionality - I  
>>> can't yet give you an ETA on that I'm afraid.
>>>
>>> The other thing that might be of interest to you is we a just on  
>>> the cusp (as in the next week or two) of open sourcing the main  
>>> body (not all of it, but the core and many Agents) of EigenD under  
>>> GPL v3. If you're able to code in C++ I suspect that you may well  
>>> be able to use cSound to build some fascinating native EigenD  
>>> Agents. If you do get interested in this after the release, please  
>>> let me know. I personally find algorithmically driven composition  
>>> and performance a fascinating area, one little explored in popular  
>>> music to date and would be greatly interested to see the Eigenharp  
>>> used in this area.BW
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>> From: Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie
>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 08:51:17 +0100
>>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
>>>
>>> But this language is unlikely to be as full featured as Csound,  
>>> SC3 or
>>> PD. They need to provide a more open framework.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> On 12 Apr 2011, at 01:58, Brian Wong wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, it can load plugins, AU or VST, depending on platform I  
>>> think. It
>>> also loads SF2 Soundfonts, and comes with a reduced feature  
>>> version of
>>> Alchemy. The more uncommon feature is the two physical models, cello
>>> and clarinet. They are very cool, and played by an expert can sound
>>> surprisingly good. Hopefully these two physical models are just a
>>> start, and the announced opening up of the instrument design  
>>> language
>>> to the user community seems like a very promising development.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:18:46 +0100
>>>> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
>>>>
>>>> Can you load plugins with the Eigenharp sampler?
>>>>
>>>> On 11 April 2011 23:42, Brian Wong
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I checked their website, and read that though OSC support is
>>> planned in the
>>>>> indefinite future, it is not yet available. MIDI control of Csound
>>> would be
>>>>> possible now with the Eigenharp, but the MIDI output is only a  
>>>>> compressed
>>>>> version, losing a significant amount of info. MIDI is not fast  
>>>>> enough to
>>>>> fully handle the amount of data necessary. I am not sure if or  
>>>>> how the AU
>>>>> would work without OSC.
>>>>> Brian
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie
>>>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:34:55 +0100
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I am sure the easiest thing right now for you is to either
>>> use OSC or
>>>>> MDI into Csound.
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 11 Apr 2011, at 20:51, Brian Wong wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be really great Rory! I just emptied my bank account  
>>>>> and
>>> bought a
>>>>> Macbook Pro and an Eigenharp Pico
>>>>> ( http://www.eigenlabs.com/product/pico/ ), and hope that I can
>>> learn to use
>>>>> a Csound AU and OSC to make synths for it. No rush though, it will
>>> take me a
>>>>> few weeks just to make a start on assimilating the EigenD
>>> documentation. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:36:20 +0100
>>>>>> From: rorywalsh@ear.ie
>>>>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound AU instrument?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not difficult to build an AU interface for Csound. I'll  
>>>>>> provide a
>>>>>> tool for doing this in the next few weeks, or shortly after the  
>>>>>> LAC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11 April 2011 20:32, Brian Wong
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I suppose there is a good reason there is no AU version of  
>>>>>>> Csound, but
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> someone who just bought a Mac for the 1st time I am not aware  
>>>>>>> of what
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> reason is. In view of the VST licensing issues I have read
>>> mentioned by
>>>>>>> Mr.
>>>>>>> Gogins, I am guessing there are AU licensing issues also. Can  
>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>> me with any information on this topic? Is there any interest in
>>> a Csound
>>>>>>> AU
>>>>>>> among other Csounders out there?
>>>>>>> Brian Wong
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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