You are not being stupid, but it sounds like you may not be familiar with 
the convention for link names. On Linux,
"-lxxx" means: link with a file named libxxx.a or libxxx.so. This is 
case-sensitive. In addition, on Linux, the names of shared libraries are 
versioned with a so-called "soname" (shared object name). For example, 
csound32 is probably actually libcsound32.so.5.2. In this case, to link with 
libcsound32.so.5.2 using -lcsound32, you need to create a symbolic link 
named libcsound32.so that points to libcsound32.so.5.2. Or you can just copy 
libcsound32.so.5.2 to libcsound32.so.

Hope this helps,
Mike



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Atte Andre Jensen" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:20 PM
Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: downloading csoundvst


> michael.gogins@gmail.com wrote:
>> dynamicCsoundLibrary=1 is what you want. So you are building it. You may 
>> need to create a symbolic link so that the CsoundVST link line finds it.
>
> I'm really sorry for being so stupid, but I don't get it. Is the linker 
> looking for a file called csound32? In that case I don't have it. Which 
> file should I symlink to where?
>
> [atte@vestbjerg 09_09_23]$ find | grep csound32
> [atte@vestbjerg 09_09_23]$ find | grep csnd
> ./libcsnd.so
> ./libcsnd.so.5.2
>
> g++ -o CsoundVSTShell -Wl,-rpath-link,. -Wl,-Bdynamic 
> frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o -L. -L. -L/usr/local/lib -L. -L. -L/usr/lib/fltk-1.1 
>  -lcsound32 -lcsnd -lCsoundVST
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lcsound32
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> scons: *** [CsoundVSTShell] Error 1
> scons: building terminated because of errors.
>
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Sorry for chipping in late, but since the subject said csoundvst, which
I didn't know worked on linux, I skipped the thread.

The problem is that apparently csoundvst is assuming (like I did) that
it is being built on windows. The float version of csound is called
csound, not csound32. Windows is the only platform to append the MYFLT
size to both versions of the library.
Atte, change SConstruct so that in the csoundvst section, every mention
to csound32 is renamed to csound.

On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 15:24 -0400, michael.gogins@gmail.com wrote:
> You are not being stupid, but it sounds like you may not be familiar with 
> the convention for link names. On Linux,
> "-lxxx" means: link with a file named libxxx.a or libxxx.so. This is 
> case-sensitive. In addition, on Linux, the names of shared libraries are 
> versioned with a so-called "soname" (shared object name). For example, 
> csound32 is probably actually libcsound32.so.5.2. In this case, to link with 
> libcsound32.so.5.2 using -lcsound32, you need to create a symbolic link 
> named libcsound32.so that points to libcsound32.so.5.2. Or you can just copy 
> libcsound32.so.5.2 to libcsound32.so.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Atte Andre Jensen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:20 PM
> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: downloading csoundvst
> 
> 
> > michael.gogins@gmail.com wrote:
> >> dynamicCsoundLibrary=1 is what you want. So you are building it. You may 
> >> need to create a symbolic link so that the CsoundVST link line finds it.
> >
> > I'm really sorry for being so stupid, but I don't get it. Is the linker 
> > looking for a file called csound32? In that case I don't have it. Which 
> > file should I symlink to where?
> >
> > [atte@vestbjerg 09_09_23]$ find | grep csound32
> > [atte@vestbjerg 09_09_23]$ find | grep csnd
> > ./libcsnd.so
> > ./libcsnd.so.5.2
> >
> > g++ -o CsoundVSTShell -Wl,-rpath-link,. -Wl,-Bdynamic 
> > frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o -L. -L. -L/usr/local/lib -L. -L. -L/usr/lib/fltk-1.1 
> >  -lcsound32 -lcsnd -lCsoundVST
> > /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lcsound32
> > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> > scons: *** [CsoundVSTShell] Error 1
> > scons: building terminated because of errors.
> >
> > -- 
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> >
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michael.gogins@gmail.com wrote:

> You are not being stupid, but it sounds like you may not be familiar 
> with the convention for link names.

You're right. But to my defence: There were no file with "csound32" in 
it's name (which I already mentioned). I'm really just guessing here, 
but I did this:

ln -s libcsound.so libcsound32.so

Is that correct? Here's a little bit about what I have in the cvs root dir:

[atte@vestbjerg 09_09_23]$ find | grep lib
./libcsound.so.5.2
./InOut/libsnd.os
./InOut/libsnd_u.c
./InOut/libsnd_u.o
./InOut/libsnd.c
./InOut/libsnd.o
./InOut/libsnd_u.os
./H/fftlib.h
./libcsnd.so
./libcsound.a
./OOps/fftlib.os
./OOps/fftlib.o
./OOps/fftlib.c
./libCsoundVST.so
./libcsound.so
./libcsnd.so.5.2

At least I get further in the build now:

g++ -o frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o -c -fexceptions 
-fno-strict-aliasing -Wno-format -DGNU_GETTEXT -g -fomit-frame-pointer 
-freorder-blocks -DLINUX -DPIPES -fvisibility=hidden 
-fno-strict-aliasing -DHAVE_LIBSNDFILE=1016 -DHAVE_VST_SDK -DHAVE_FLTK 
-DBETA -DHAVE_SOCKETS -DHAVE_PTHREAD_BARRIER_INIT 
-DHAVE_SYNC_LOCK_TEST_AND_SET -DHAVE_FCNTL_H -DHAVE_UNISTD_H 
-DHAVE_STDINT_H -DHAVE_SYS_TIME_H -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H -DHAVE_TERMIOS_H 
-DHAVE_VALUES_H -DHAVE_SOCKETS -DHAVE_DIRENT_H -I. -IH 
-I/usr/include/fltk-1.1 -I/usr/include/python2.6 -I/usr/local/include 
-I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -Ifrontends/CsoundVST 
-Iinterfaces frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.cpp
g++ -o CsoundVSTShell -Wl,-rpath-link,. -Wl,-Bdynamic 
frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o -L. -L. -L/usr/local/lib -L. -L. 
-L/usr/lib/fltk-1.1 -lcsound32 -lcsnd -lCsoundVST
frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o: In function `main':
/home/atte/software/csound/09_09_23/frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.cpp:40: 
undefined reference to `RunCsoundVST'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
scons: *** [CsoundVSTShell] Error 1
scons: building terminated because of errors.

Another question: looking at csoundvst_main.cpp I see 
LoadLibrary("CsoundVST.dll"). Is that really gonna work under linux? I 
have a ./libCsoundVST.so but no CsoundVST.dll. Looking at stuff like 
this, I get the feeling I'm the first one to ever compile csoundVST 
under linux. But then again, I didn't write the code and don't 
understand it :-)

Felipe Sateler wrote:

> The problem is that apparently csoundvst is assuming (like I did) that
> it is being built on windows. The float version of csound is called
> csound, not csound32. Windows is the only platform to append the MYFLT
> size to both versions of the library.

Ok, makes sense!

> Atte, change SConstruct so that in the csoundvst section, every mention
> to csound32 is renamed to csound.

Thanks, that works (exactly like my hacky symlink), still stuck with these:

scons: Building targets ...
g++ -o CsoundVSTShell -Wl,-rpath-link,. -Wl,-Bdynamic 
frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o -L. -L. -L/usr/local/lib -L. -L. 
-L/usr/lib/fltk-1.1 -lcsound -lcsnd -lCsoundVST
frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o: In function `main':
/home/atte/software/csound/09_09_23/frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.cpp:40: 
undefined reference to `RunCsoundVST'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
scons: *** [CsoundVSTShell] Error 1
scons: building terminated because of errors.

Thanks!

Mkg

On Sep 24, 2009 3:48 PM, "Felipe Sateler" <fsateler@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry for chipping in late, but since the subject said csoundvst, which
I didn't know worked on linux, I skipped the thread.

The problem is that apparently csoundvst is assuming (like I did) that
it is being built on windows. The float version of csound is called
csound, not csound32. Windows is the only platform to append the MYFLT
size to both versions of the library.
Atte, change SConstruct so that in the csoundvst section, every mention
to csound32 is renamed to csound.

On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 15:24 -0400, michael.gogins@gmail.com wrote: > You are not being stupid, but ...

--
Saludos,
Felipe Sateler

On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 22:00 +0200, Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
> Felipe Sateler wrote:
> 
> > The problem is that apparently csoundvst is assuming (like I did) that
> > it is being built on windows. The float version of csound is called
> > csound, not csound32. Windows is the only platform to append the MYFLT
> > size to both versions of the library.
> 
> Ok, makes sense!
> 
> > Atte, change SConstruct so that in the csoundvst section, every mention
> > to csound32 is renamed to csound.
> 
> Thanks, that works (exactly like my hacky symlink), still stuck with these:
> 
> scons: Building targets ...
> g++ -o CsoundVSTShell -Wl,-rpath-link,. -Wl,-Bdynamic 
> frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o -L. -L. -L/usr/local/lib -L. -L. 
> -L/usr/lib/fltk-1.1 -lcsound -lcsnd -lCsoundVST
> frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o: In function `main':
> /home/atte/software/csound/09_09_23/frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.cpp:40: 
> undefined reference to `RunCsoundVST'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> scons: *** [CsoundVSTShell] Error 1
> scons: building terminated because of errors.

This is strange, RunCsoundVST is defined in CsoundVST.cpp, which is
compiled into libCsoundVST. Try cleaning and building again.

-- 
Saludos,
Felipe Sateler

Felipe Sateler wrote:

> This is strange, RunCsoundVST is defined in CsoundVST.cpp, which is
> compiled into libCsoundVST. Try cleaning and building again.

You mean "scons -c", right?

Doesn't change a thing :-(

[atte@vestbjerg 09_09_23]$ scons buildInterfaces=1 
dynamicCsoundLibrary=1 buildPythonOpcodes=1 useOSC=1 buildUtilities=1 
buildCsoundVST=1

scons: done reading SConscript files.
scons: Building targets ...
g++ -o CsoundVSTShell -Wl,-rpath-link,. -Wl,-Bdynamic 
frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o -L. -L. -L/usr/local/lib -L. -L. 
-L/usr/lib/fltk-1.1 -lcsound -lcsnd -lCsoundVST
frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o: In function `main':
/home/atte/software/csound/09_09_23/frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.cpp:40: 
undefined reference to `RunCsoundVST'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
scons: *** [CsoundVSTShell] Error 1
scons: building terminated because of errors.

On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 00:18 +0200, Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
> Felipe Sateler wrote:
> 
> > This is strange, RunCsoundVST is defined in CsoundVST.cpp, which is
> > compiled into libCsoundVST. Try cleaning and building again.
> 
> You mean "scons -c", right?

In theory the answer is yes, but you have to specify all the options you
used last time to build. It is easier to use the cleanup.sh script in
the source directory
./cleanup.sh

-- 
Saludos,
Felipe Sateler

Felipe Sateler wrote:

> In theory the answer is yes, but you have to specify all the options you
> used last time to build. It is easier to use the cleanup.sh script in
> the source directory
> ./cleanup.sh

Ok, tried that, didn't solve the problem eigther.

g++ -o CsoundVSTShell -Wl,-rpath-link,. -Wl,-Bdynamic 
frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o -L. -L. -L/usr/local/lib -L. -L. 
-L/usr/lib/fltk-1.1 -lcsound -lcsnd -lCsoundVST
frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o: In function `main':
/home/atte/software/csound/09_09_23/frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.cpp:40: 
undefined reference to `RunCsoundVST'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
scons: *** [CsoundVSTShell] Error 1
scons: building terminated because of errors.

Atte Andre Jensen wrote:

Bump, still stuck, any ideas?

> Ok, tried that, didn't solve the problem eigther.
> 
> g++ -o CsoundVSTShell -Wl,-rpath-link,. -Wl,-Bdynamic 
> frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o -L. -L. -L/usr/local/lib -L. -L. 
> -L/usr/lib/fltk-1.1 -lcsound -lcsnd -lCsoundVST
> frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o: In function `main':
> /home/atte/software/csound/09_09_23/frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.cpp:40: 
> undefined reference to `RunCsoundVST'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> scons: *** [CsoundVSTShell] Error 1
> scons: building terminated because of errors.
> 

Try

> grep RunCsoundVST  *.cpp

in the frontends/CsoundVST  directory to locate where that
symbol is supposed to come from. Then make sure the file gets compiled in
with the other CsoundVST sources

Victor
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Atte Andre Jensen" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 9:02 PM
Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: downloading 
csoundvst


> Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
>
> Bump, still stuck, any ideas?
>
>> Ok, tried that, didn't solve the problem eigther.
>>
>> g++ -o CsoundVSTShell -Wl,-rpath-link,. -Wl,-Bdynamic 
>> frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o -L. -L. -L/usr/local/lib -L. -L. -L/usr/lib/fltk-1.1 
>>  -lcsound -lcsnd -lCsoundVST
>> frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o: In function `main':
>> /home/atte/software/csound/09_09_23/frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.cpp:40: 
>> undefined reference to `RunCsoundVST'
>> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>> scons: *** [CsoundVSTShell] Error 1
>> scons: building terminated because of errors.
>>
>
>
> -- 
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I'm looking at this now on Linux. I can see that it has been longer
than I thought since the last time I got it working on Linux. I must
have changed the Windows #ifdef without verifying that the other case
still builds and runs on Linux.

I have fixed up the csoundvst_main.cpp file and I am rebuilding
everything now. I will let you know when it builds and has been
checked in.

Regards,
Mike

On 9/26/09, Atte Andre Jensen  wrote:
> Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
>
> Bump, still stuck, any ideas?
>
>> Ok, tried that, didn't solve the problem eigther.
>>
>> g++ -o CsoundVSTShell -Wl,-rpath-link,. -Wl,-Bdynamic
>> frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o -L. -L. -L/usr/local/lib -L. -L.
>> -L/usr/lib/fltk-1.1 -lcsound -lcsnd -lCsoundVST
>> frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o: In function `main':
>> /home/atte/software/csound/09_09_23/frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.cpp:40:
>>
>> undefined reference to `RunCsoundVST'
>> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>> scons: *** [CsoundVSTShell] Error 1
>> scons: building terminated because of errors.
>>
>
>
> --
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>
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OK, it builds. I can't promise libCsoundVST.so (i.e. CsoundVST proper)
will function as a proper VST plugin on Linux, but I think it will.

I can say that it builds. I can also say that the CsoundVSTShell
standalone GUI program builds, runs, loads libCsoundVST.so, and uses
libCsoundVST.so to render pieces.

It's booked in, so update from CVS and try again.

Regards,
Mike

On 9/26/09, Michael Gogins  wrote:
> I'm looking at this now on Linux. I can see that it has been longer
> than I thought since the last time I got it working on Linux. I must
> have changed the Windows #ifdef without verifying that the other case
> still builds and runs on Linux.
>
> I have fixed up the csoundvst_main.cpp file and I am rebuilding
> everything now. I will let you know when it builds and has been
> checked in.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On 9/26/09, Atte Andre Jensen  wrote:
>> Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
>>
>> Bump, still stuck, any ideas?
>>
>>> Ok, tried that, didn't solve the problem eigther.
>>>
>>> g++ -o CsoundVSTShell -Wl,-rpath-link,. -Wl,-Bdynamic
>>> frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o -L. -L. -L/usr/local/lib -L. -L.
>>> -L/usr/lib/fltk-1.1 -lcsound -lcsnd -lCsoundVST
>>> frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o: In function `main':
>>> /home/atte/software/csound/09_09_23/frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.cpp:40:
>>>
>>> undefined reference to `RunCsoundVST'
>>> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>>> scons: *** [CsoundVSTShell] Error 1
>>> scons: building terminated because of errors.
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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>

Michael Gogins wrote:

> OK, it builds.
> It's booked in, so update from CVS and try again.

Unfortunately it doesn't build here not here. Firstly I still have to 
change csound32 to csound in SConstruct. Secondly (after having done 
that) I get the exact same as before:

[atte@vestbjerg 09_09_27]$ scons buildInterfaces=1 
dynamicCsoundLibrary=1 buildPythonOpcodes=1 useOSC=1 buildUtilities=1 
buildCsoundVST=1

g++ -o CsoundVSTShell -Wl,-rpath-link,. -Wl,-Bdynamic 
frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o -L. -L. -L/usr/local/lib -L. -L. 
-L/usr/lib/fltk-1.1 -lcsound -lcsnd -lCsoundVST
frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o: In function `main':
/home/atte/software/csound/09_09_27/frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.cpp:41: 
undefined reference to `RunCsoundVST'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
scons: *** [CsoundVSTShell] Error 1
scons: building terminated because of errors.

Michael Gogins wrote:
> OK, it builds. I can't promise libCsoundVST.so (i.e. CsoundVST proper)
> will function as a proper VST plugin on Linux, but I think it will.
>   

I'll try building it here and will test it with known working hosts 
(JOST, QTractor). Please remind me where to acquire the sources.

Btw, is floats vs. doubles an issue with this plugin ?

Best,

dp



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Dave Phillips wrote:

> I'll try building it here and will test it with known working hosts 
> (JOST, QTractor). Please remind me where to acquire the sources.

cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@csound.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/csound 
co -P csound5

Atte Andre Jensen wrote:
> Dave Phillips wrote:
>
>> I'll try building it here and will test it with known working hosts 
>> (JOST, QTractor). Please remind me where to acquire the sources.
>
> cvs -z3 
> -d:pserver:anonymous@csound.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/csound co -P 
> csound5
>
Ah, okay, sorry, I thought it was in a different repo.

Thanks, Atte, I'll get right on it. :)

Best,

dp



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This file should now read in its entirety as shown below. The only
significant change is to remove the trailing underscore on the
function name for Linux, where dynamic loading of CsoundVST is handled
more elegantly by the operating system.

Hope this helps,
Mike

#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 

int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
  const char *filename = 0;
  if (argc > 1) {
    filename = argv[1];
  }
#if defined(WIN32)
  HINSTANCE lib = LoadLibrary("CsoundVST.dll");
  if(!lib) {
    DWORD lastError = GetLastError();
  }
  void (*RunCsoundVST_)(const char *) =  (void (*)(const char *))
GetProcAddress(lib, "RunCsoundVST");
  RunCsoundVST_(filename);
#else
  RunCsoundVST(filename);
#endif
}




On 9/27/09, Atte Andre Jensen  wrote:
> Michael Gogins wrote:
>
>> OK, it builds.
>> It's booked in, so update from CVS and try again.
>
> Unfortunately it doesn't build here not here. Firstly I still have to
> change csound32 to csound in SConstruct. Secondly (after having done
> that) I get the exact same as before:
>
> [atte@vestbjerg 09_09_27]$ scons buildInterfaces=1
> dynamicCsoundLibrary=1 buildPythonOpcodes=1 useOSC=1 buildUtilities=1
> buildCsoundVST=1
> 
> g++ -o CsoundVSTShell -Wl,-rpath-link,. -Wl,-Bdynamic
> frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o -L. -L. -L/usr/local/lib -L. -L.
> -L/usr/lib/fltk-1.1 -lcsound -lcsnd -lCsoundVST
> frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.o: In function `main':
> /home/atte/software/csound/09_09_27/frontends/CsoundVST/csoundvst_main.cpp:41:
> undefined reference to `RunCsoundVST'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> scons: *** [CsoundVSTShell] Error 1
> scons: building terminated because of errors.
>
> --
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>
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Michael Gogins wrote:
> This file should now read in its entirety as shown below. The only
> significant change is to remove the trailing underscore on the
> function name for Linux, where dynamic loading of CsoundVST is handled
> more elegantly by the operating system.
> 
> Hope this helps,

It doesn't. There are two possibilities either I a) do something 
different than you in the build process or I b) have something in my 
build environment that is different from yours.

In an attempt to "make you do what I do" I wrote a small script that 
follows the steps I take, and end with the "undefined reference to 
`RunCsoundVST'" error.

I placed it here: atte.dk/build_vst.sh

Could you please run it and see what happens?

NB: You only need to change the vstsdk_path in the first line to point 
to your vstsdk

NB2: I saved the csoundvst_main.cpp file you posted and the script 
downloads it, just to make sure we're talking about the same thing.

Looking forward to hearing from you!

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