I would expect it to be the last segment specified.
Maybe the manual should read (as for linsegr)
ares transegr ia, idur, itype, ib [, idur2] [, itype] [, ic], irel, itype, iz

Oeyvind

2010/11/12 Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com>:

> Dear community,
> I've read in the manual:
>>
>> transegr — Constructs a user-definable envelope with extended release
>> segment.
>> Syntax
>> ares transegr ia, idur, itype, ib [, idur2] [, itype] [, ic] ...
>
> But where do I have to define the release-segment, which reacts on noteon
> and noteoff from midi?
>

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i think you should clear the line "i101   0    3600" in the score, as your instr 101 is triggered by midi.

       joachim


Am 13.11.2010 um 08:15 schrieb Stefan Thomas:

Dear Oeyvind,
I don't know what is wrong, but the following snippet works (for me) just for one note from the midi-keyboard, than nothing happens.

<CsoundSynthesizer>
<CsOptions>
</CsOptions>
<CsInstruments>
sr     = 48000
kr     = 480
ksmps  = 100
nchnls = 2

massign 1, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
instr 101
icps cpsmidi

 iamp    ampmidi     10000
ia = 0.001
itype = 0
idur = 1
ib = 1
irel = 0.1
iz = 0.001
kenv transegr ia, idur, itype, ib , irel, itype, iz

iwave = 1
asig oscil kenv*iamp, icps, iwave
     outs      asig, asig
     endin

</CsInstruments>
<CsScore>
f0 3600
f1 0 8192 10 1
i101   0    3600

</CsScore>
</CsoundSynthesizer>





2010/11/12 Oeyvind Brandtsegg <oyvind.brandtsegg@ntnu.no>
I would expect it to be the last segment specified.
Maybe the manual should read (as for linsegr)
ares transegr ia, idur, itype, ib [, idur2] [, itype] [, ic], irel, itype, iz

Oeyvind

2010/11/12 Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com>:
> Dear community,
> I've read in the manual:
>>
>> transegr — Constructs a user-definable envelope with extended release
>> segment.
>> Syntax
>> ares transegr ia, idur, itype, ib [, idur2] [, itype] [, ic] ...
>
> But where do I have to define the release-segment, which reacts on noteon
> and noteoff from midi?
>


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I think you need

massign 0,101

to do what you are asking in your comment.

Victor

On 13 Nov 2010, at 19:46, Stefan Thomas wrote:

massign 1, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101

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for me, your csd in this version works:

<CsoundSynthesizer>
<CsOptions>
</CsOptions>
<CsInstruments>
sr = 48000
kr = 480
ksmps = 100
nchnls = 2

massign 0, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101

instr 101
icps cpsmidi
iamp ampmidi 10000
ia = 0.001
itype = 0
idur = 1
ib = 1
irel = 0.1
iz = 0.001
kenv transegr ia, idur, itype, ib , irel, itype, iz
iwave = 1
asig oscil kenv*iamp, icps, iwave
outs asig, asig
endin
</CsInstruments>
<CsScore>
f0 3600
f1 0 8192 10 1

</CsScore>
</CsoundSynthesizer>

       joachim

Am 13.11.2010 um 22:46 schrieb Stefan Thomas:

Unfortunately, massign 0,101 doesn't help

2010/11/13 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie>
I think you need

massign 0,101

to do what you are asking in your comment.

Victor

On 13 Nov 2010, at 19:46, Stefan Thomas wrote:

massign 1, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101



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Could you try this (even simpler) csd

If this works, you can try adding the transeg again and see if it breaks.

best
Oeyvind

<CsoundSynthesizer>
<CsOptions>
</CsOptions>
<CsInstruments>
sr = 48000
kr = 480
ksmps = 100
nchnls = 2

instr 1

icps cpsmidi
iamp ampmidi 10000

iwave = 1
asig oscil iamp, icps, iwave

outs asig, asig
endin

</CsInstruments>
<CsScore>
f0 3600
f1 0 8192 10 1

</CsScore>
</CsoundSynthesizer>

;*************************


2010/11/13 Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com>:

> Unfortunately, for me not.
> Maybee I didn't install the program properly from source?
> 2010/11/13 joachim heintz <jh@joachimheintz.de>
>>
>> for me, your csd in this version works:
>>
>> <CsoundSynthesizer>
>> <CsOptions>
>> </CsOptions>
>> <CsInstruments>
>> sr = 48000
>> kr = 480
>> ksmps = 100
>> nchnls = 2
>> massign 0, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
>> instr 101
>> icps cpsmidi
>> iamp ampmidi 10000
>> ia = 0.001
>> itype = 0
>> idur = 1
>> ib = 1
>> irel = 0.1
>> iz = 0.001
>> kenv transegr ia, idur, itype, ib , irel, itype, iz
>> iwave = 1
>> asig oscil kenv*iamp, icps, iwave
>> outs asig, asig
>> endin
>> </CsInstruments>
>> <CsScore>
>> f0 3600
>> f1 0 8192 10 1
>> </CsScore>
>> </CsoundSynthesizer>
>>
>>        joachim
>>
>> Am 13.11.2010 um 22:46 schrieb Stefan Thomas:
>>
>>> Unfortunately, massign 0,101 doesn't help
>>>
>>> 2010/11/13 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie>
>>> I think you need
>>>
>>> massign 0,101
>>>
>>> to do what you are asking in your comment.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> On 13 Nov 2010, at 19:46, Stefan Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>> massign 1, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Dear community,
I've got transgr working.
After having some more troubles with the newly installed csound from source I uprgaded to the newest version of Ubuntu.
There is Csound 5.12 in the repositories (as well as qutecsound) and everything works fine now!

2010/11/15 Oeyvind Brandtsegg <oyvind.brandtsegg@ntnu.no>

Could you try this (even simpler) csd

If this works, you can try adding the transeg again and see if it breaks.

best
Oeyvind

<CsoundSynthesizer>
<CsOptions>
</CsOptions>
<CsInstruments>
sr = 48000
kr = 480
ksmps = 100
nchnls = 2

instr 1

icps cpsmidi
iamp ampmidi 10000

iwave = 1
asig oscil iamp, icps, iwave

outs asig, asig
endin

</CsInstruments>
<CsScore>
f0 3600
f1 0 8192 10 1

</CsScore>
</CsoundSynthesizer>

;*************************


2010/11/13 Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com>:

> Unfortunately, for me not.
> Maybee I didn't install the program properly from source?
> 2010/11/13 joachim heintz <jh@joachimheintz.de>
>>
>> for me, your csd in this version works:
>>
>> <CsoundSynthesizer>
>> <CsOptions>
>> </CsOptions>
>> <CsInstruments>
>> sr = 48000
>> kr = 480
>> ksmps = 100
>> nchnls = 2
>> massign 0, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
>> instr 101
>> icps cpsmidi
>> iamp ampmidi 10000
>> ia = 0.001
>> itype = 0
>> idur = 1
>> ib = 1
>> irel = 0.1
>> iz = 0.001
>> kenv transegr ia, idur, itype, ib , irel, itype, iz
>> iwave = 1
>> asig oscil kenv*iamp, icps, iwave
>> outs asig, asig
>> endin
>> </CsInstruments>
>> <CsScore>
>> f0 3600
>> f1 0 8192 10 1
>> </CsScore>
>> </CsoundSynthesizer>
>>
>>        joachim
>>
>> Am 13.11.2010 um 22:46 schrieb Stefan Thomas:
>>
>>> Unfortunately, massign 0,101 doesn't help
>>>
>>> 2010/11/13 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie>
>>> I think you need
>>>
>>> massign 0,101
>>>
>>> to do what you are asking in your comment.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> On 13 Nov 2010, at 19:46, Stefan Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>> massign 1, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Dear community,
sorry, I do have still problems with transegr.
Although I don't have the problem that csound stops after one note, transegr reacts in a different manner than I've expected.
I thought if I write

kenv transegr 0.001, 1, 0 , 1 , 0.1, 0, 0.00001

I would get an organ-like envelope, that stays at full key-velocity.
Unfortunately I get a sound that dies after a second.
I can't recognize my mistake.
Here is my code:

<CsoundSynthesizer>
<CsOptions>
</CsOptions>
<CsInstruments>
sr = 48000
kr = 480
ksmps = 100
nchnls = 2
massign 0, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
instr 101
icps cpsmidi
iamp ampmidi 10000

kenv transegr 0.001, 1, 0 , 1 , 0.1, 0, 0.00001

iwave = 1
asig oscil kenv*iamp, icps, iwave
outs asig, asig
endin
</CsInstruments>
<CsScore>
f0 3600
f1 0 8192 10 1
</CsScore>
</CsoundSynthesizer>

2010/11/15 Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com>

Dear community,
I've got transgr working.
After having some more troubles with the newly installed csound from source I uprgaded to the newest version of Ubuntu.
There is Csound 5.12 in the repositories (as well as qutecsound) and everything works fine now!

2010/11/15 Oeyvind Brandtsegg <oyvind.brandtsegg@ntnu.no>

Could you try this (even simpler) csd

If this works, you can try adding the transeg again and see if it breaks.

best
Oeyvind

<CsoundSynthesizer>
<CsOptions>
</CsOptions>
<CsInstruments>
sr = 48000
kr = 480
ksmps = 100
nchnls = 2

instr 1

icps cpsmidi
iamp ampmidi 10000

iwave = 1
asig oscil iamp, icps, iwave

outs asig, asig
endin

</CsInstruments>
<CsScore>
f0 3600
f1 0 8192 10 1

</CsScore>
</CsoundSynthesizer>

;*************************


2010/11/13 Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com>:

> Unfortunately, for me not.
> Maybee I didn't install the program properly from source?
> 2010/11/13 joachim heintz <jh@joachimheintz.de>
>>
>> for me, your csd in this version works:
>>
>> <CsoundSynthesizer>
>> <CsOptions>
>> </CsOptions>
>> <CsInstruments>
>> sr = 48000
>> kr = 480
>> ksmps = 100
>> nchnls = 2
>> massign 0, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
>> instr 101
>> icps cpsmidi
>> iamp ampmidi 10000
>> ia = 0.001
>> itype = 0
>> idur = 1
>> ib = 1
>> irel = 0.1
>> iz = 0.001
>> kenv transegr ia, idur, itype, ib , irel, itype, iz
>> iwave = 1
>> asig oscil kenv*iamp, icps, iwave
>> outs asig, asig
>> endin
>> </CsInstruments>
>> <CsScore>
>> f0 3600
>> f1 0 8192 10 1
>> </CsScore>
>> </CsoundSynthesizer>
>>
>>        joachim
>>
>> Am 13.11.2010 um 22:46 schrieb Stefan Thomas:
>>
>>> Unfortunately, massign 0,101 doesn't help
>>>
>>> 2010/11/13 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie>
>>> I think you need
>>>
>>> massign 0,101
>>>
>>> to do what you are asking in your comment.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> On 13 Nov 2010, at 19:46, Stefan Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>> massign 1, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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ia=0.001 idur=1 itype=0 ib=0.1 idur=0 itype=0.00001 ????

one always has to follow the pattern of:

level, duration, type, level, duration, type.......level (end with a level!!!)

in this case I think your envelope doesn't make sense and would give a brief sound as you describe!!

try

    kenv transegr 0.001, 0.01, 0 , 1 , 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0.03, 0, 0

if it works at all as linsegr does, but with the addition of types, the code above should work. (if I didn't make a mistake that is) Here I assume type always to be '0' for a linear segment.

the old analogous envelope in linsegr would be:

    kenv linsegr 0, 0.01, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0.03, 0

you might also try to use variables for easier human-parsing of the line...it's easy to make a mistake when scaning the line without tokens that we can make sense of!!

so you can try this for a simple organ like envelope:

    kenv linsegr istart, iattack, itype1, imid1, isus, itype2, imid2, ireltime, itype3, iend

if all the types are the same, of course, you could use one variable, but that would of course defeat the purpose of using transegr!

AKJ

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com> wrote:

Dear community,
sorry, I do have still problems with transegr.
Although I don't have the problem that csound stops after one note, transegr reacts in a different manner than I've expected.
I thought if I write

kenv transegr 0.001, 1, 0 , 1 , 0.1, 0, 0.00001

I would get an organ-like envelope, that stays at full key-velocity.
Unfortunately I get a sound that dies after a second.
I can't recognize my mistake.
Here is my code:

<CsoundSynthesizer>
<CsOptions>
</CsOptions>
<CsInstruments>
sr = 48000
kr = 480
ksmps = 100
nchnls = 2
massign 0, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
instr 101
icps cpsmidi
iamp ampmidi 10000

kenv transegr 0.001, 1, 0 , 1 , 0.1, 0, 0.00001

iwave = 1
asig oscil kenv*iamp, icps, iwave
outs asig, asig
endin
</CsInstruments>
<CsScore>
f0 3600
f1 0 8192 10 1
</CsScore>
</CsoundSynthesizer>

2010/11/15 Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com>

Dear community,
I've got transgr working.
After having some more troubles with the newly installed csound from source I uprgaded to the newest version of Ubuntu.
There is Csound 5.12 in the repositories (as well as qutecsound) and everything works fine now!

2010/11/15 Oeyvind Brandtsegg <oyvind.brandtsegg@ntnu.no>

Could you try this (even simpler) csd

If this works, you can try adding the transeg again and see if it breaks.

best
Oeyvind

<CsoundSynthesizer>
<CsOptions>
</CsOptions>
<CsInstruments>
sr = 48000
kr = 480
ksmps = 100
nchnls = 2

instr 1

icps cpsmidi
iamp ampmidi 10000

iwave = 1
asig oscil iamp, icps, iwave

outs asig, asig
endin

</CsInstruments>
<CsScore>
f0 3600
f1 0 8192 10 1

</CsScore>
</CsoundSynthesizer>

;*************************


2010/11/13 Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com>:

> Unfortunately, for me not.
> Maybee I didn't install the program properly from source?
> 2010/11/13 joachim heintz <jh@joachimheintz.de>
>>
>> for me, your csd in this version works:
>>
>> <CsoundSynthesizer>
>> <CsOptions>
>> </CsOptions>
>> <CsInstruments>
>> sr = 48000
>> kr = 480
>> ksmps = 100
>> nchnls = 2
>> massign 0, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
>> instr 101
>> icps cpsmidi
>> iamp ampmidi 10000
>> ia = 0.001
>> itype = 0
>> idur = 1
>> ib = 1
>> irel = 0.1
>> iz = 0.001
>> kenv transegr ia, idur, itype, ib , irel, itype, iz
>> iwave = 1
>> asig oscil kenv*iamp, icps, iwave
>> outs asig, asig
>> endin
>> </CsInstruments>
>> <CsScore>
>> f0 3600
>> f1 0 8192 10 1
>> </CsScore>
>> </CsoundSynthesizer>
>>
>>        joachim
>>
>> Am 13.11.2010 um 22:46 schrieb Stefan Thomas:
>>
>>> Unfortunately, massign 0,101 doesn't help
>>>
>>> 2010/11/13 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie>
>>> I think you need
>>>
>>> massign 0,101
>>>
>>> to do what you are asking in your comment.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> On 13 Nov 2010, at 19:46, Stefan Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>> massign 1, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>          https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>> csound"
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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--
Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.akjmusic.com
http://www.untwelve.org

Dear Aaron,
thanks for Your explanations.
I've understood that transegr has to end with an level.
I've tried it now with:

aenv    transegr 0.001, 0.1, 0,           1, 15, 1,             0.0001, 0.1, 0, 0.000001

But now, using midi, the sound makes a clipping-noise, when I stop playing midi after a time shorter than 15 seconds.
Where do I have to put the release time?

2010/11/26 Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@akjmusic.com>

ia=0.001 idur=1 itype=0 ib=0.1 idur=0 itype=0.00001 ????

one always has to follow the pattern of:

level, duration, type, level, duration, type.......level (end with a level!!!)

in this case I think your envelope doesn't make sense and would give a brief sound as you describe!!

try

    kenv transegr 0.001, 0.01, 0 , 1 , 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0.03, 0, 0

if it works at all as linsegr does, but with the addition of types, the code above should work. (if I didn't make a mistake that is) Here I assume type always to be '0' for a linear segment.

the old analogous envelope in linsegr would be:

    kenv linsegr 0, 0.01, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0.03, 0

you might also try to use variables for easier human-parsing of the line...it's easy to make a mistake when scaning the line without tokens that we can make sense of!!

so you can try this for a simple organ like envelope:

    kenv linsegr istart, iattack, itype1, imid1, isus, itype2, imid2, ireltime, itype3, iend

if all the types are the same, of course, you could use one variable, but that would of course defeat the purpose of using transegr!

AKJ

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com> wrote:

Dear community,
sorry, I do have still problems with transegr.
Although I don't have the problem that csound stops after one note, transegr reacts in a different manner than I've expected.
I thought if I write

kenv transegr 0.001, 1, 0 , 1 , 0.1, 0, 0.00001

I would get an organ-like envelope, that stays at full key-velocity.
Unfortunately I get a sound that dies after a second.
I can't recognize my mistake.
Here is my code:

<CsoundSynthesizer>
<CsOptions>
</CsOptions>
<CsInstruments>
sr = 48000
kr = 480
ksmps = 100
nchnls = 2
massign 0, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
instr 101
icps cpsmidi
iamp ampmidi 10000

kenv transegr 0.001, 1, 0 , 1 , 0.1, 0, 0.00001

iwave = 1
asig oscil kenv*iamp, icps, iwave
outs asig, asig
endin
</CsInstruments>
<CsScore>
f0 3600
f1 0 8192 10 1
</CsScore>
</CsoundSynthesizer>

2010/11/15 Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com>

Dear community,
I've got transgr working.
After having some more troubles with the newly installed csound from source I uprgaded to the newest version of Ubuntu.
There is Csound 5.12 in the repositories (as well as qutecsound) and everything works fine now!

2010/11/15 Oeyvind Brandtsegg <oyvind.brandtsegg@ntnu.no>

Could you try this (even simpler) csd

If this works, you can try adding the transeg again and see if it breaks.

best
Oeyvind

<CsoundSynthesizer>
<CsOptions>
</CsOptions>
<CsInstruments>
sr = 48000
kr = 480
ksmps = 100
nchnls = 2

instr 1

icps cpsmidi
iamp ampmidi 10000

iwave = 1
asig oscil iamp, icps, iwave

outs asig, asig
endin

</CsInstruments>
<CsScore>
f0 3600
f1 0 8192 10 1

</CsScore>
</CsoundSynthesizer>

;*************************


2010/11/13 Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com>:

> Unfortunately, for me not.
> Maybee I didn't install the program properly from source?
> 2010/11/13 joachim heintz <jh@joachimheintz.de>
>>
>> for me, your csd in this version works:
>>
>> <CsoundSynthesizer>
>> <CsOptions>
>> </CsOptions>
>> <CsInstruments>
>> sr = 48000
>> kr = 480
>> ksmps = 100
>> nchnls = 2
>> massign 0, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
>> instr 101
>> icps cpsmidi
>> iamp ampmidi 10000
>> ia = 0.001
>> itype = 0
>> idur = 1
>> ib = 1
>> irel = 0.1
>> iz = 0.001
>> kenv transegr ia, idur, itype, ib , irel, itype, iz
>> iwave = 1
>> asig oscil kenv*iamp, icps, iwave
>> outs asig, asig
>> endin
>> </CsInstruments>
>> <CsScore>
>> f0 3600
>> f1 0 8192 10 1
>> </CsScore>
>> </CsoundSynthesizer>
>>
>>        joachim
>>
>> Am 13.11.2010 um 22:46 schrieb Stefan Thomas:
>>
>>> Unfortunately, massign 0,101 doesn't help
>>>
>>> 2010/11/13 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie>
>>> I think you need
>>>
>>> massign 0,101
>>>
>>> to do what you are asking in your comment.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> On 13 Nov 2010, at 19:46, Stefan Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>> massign 1, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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Stefan,

you have a discontinuity from 1 to 0.0001 that you've not handled.

what you mean to do is go from 1 to 0.0001 at the END....so try this:

aenv    transegr 0.001, 0.1, 0, 1, 15, 0,1,  0.1, 0, 0.001

it helps to think of the levels as 'framing' the arguments: here my levels are 0.001, 1, 1 and 0.001...then the 'times and 'type' pairs are interspersed between....does that make sense?

so when building your envelope, start with your envelope levels, and put the time/curve-type pairs in after. I believe it helps if you use parenthesis on the levels, for visual cue:

aenv    transegr 0.001, (0.1), (0), 1, (15), (0), 1,  (0.1), (0), 0.001

Make sense?

Best,
AKJ

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com> wrote:

Dear Aaron,
thanks for Your explanations.
I've understood that transegr has to end with an level.
I've tried it now with:

aenv    transegr 0.001, 0.1, 0,           1, 15, 1,             0.0001, 0.1, 0, 0.000001

But now, using midi, the sound makes a clipping-noise, when I stop playing midi after a time shorter than 15 seconds.
Where do I have to put the release time?

2010/11/26 Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@akjmusic.com>

ia=0.001 idur=1 itype=0 ib=0.1 idur=0 itype=0.00001 ????

one always has to follow the pattern of:

level, duration, type, level, duration, type.......level (end with a level!!!)

in this case I think your envelope doesn't make sense and would give a brief sound as you describe!!

try

    kenv transegr 0.001, 0.01, 0 , 1 , 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 1, 0.03, 0, 0

if it works at all as linsegr does, but with the addition of types, the code above should work. (if I didn't make a mistake that is) Here I assume type always to be '0' for a linear segment.

the old analogous envelope in linsegr would be:

    kenv linsegr 0, 0.01, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0.03, 0

you might also try to use variables for easier human-parsing of the line...it's easy to make a mistake when scaning the line without tokens that we can make sense of!!

so you can try this for a simple organ like envelope:

    kenv linsegr istart, iattack, itype1, imid1, isus, itype2, imid2, ireltime, itype3, iend

if all the types are the same, of course, you could use one variable, but that would of course defeat the purpose of using transegr!

AKJ

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com> wrote:

Dear community,
sorry, I do have still problems with transegr.
Although I don't have the problem that csound stops after one note, transegr reacts in a different manner than I've expected.
I thought if I write

kenv transegr 0.001, 1, 0 , 1 , 0.1, 0, 0.00001

I would get an organ-like envelope, that stays at full key-velocity.
Unfortunately I get a sound that dies after a second.
I can't recognize my mistake.
Here is my code:

<CsoundSynthesizer>
<CsOptions>
</CsOptions>
<CsInstruments>
sr = 48000
kr = 480
ksmps = 100
nchnls = 2
massign 0, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
instr 101
icps cpsmidi
iamp ampmidi 10000

kenv transegr 0.001, 1, 0 , 1 , 0.1, 0, 0.00001

iwave = 1
asig oscil kenv*iamp, icps, iwave
outs asig, asig
endin
</CsInstruments>
<CsScore>
f0 3600
f1 0 8192 10 1
</CsScore>
</CsoundSynthesizer>

2010/11/15 Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com>

Dear community,
I've got transgr working.
After having some more troubles with the newly installed csound from source I uprgaded to the newest version of Ubuntu.
There is Csound 5.12 in the repositories (as well as qutecsound) and everything works fine now!

2010/11/15 Oeyvind Brandtsegg <oyvind.brandtsegg@ntnu.no>

Could you try this (even simpler) csd

If this works, you can try adding the transeg again and see if it breaks.

best
Oeyvind

<CsoundSynthesizer>
<CsOptions>
</CsOptions>
<CsInstruments>
sr = 48000
kr = 480
ksmps = 100
nchnls = 2

instr 1

icps cpsmidi
iamp ampmidi 10000

iwave = 1
asig oscil iamp, icps, iwave

outs asig, asig
endin

</CsInstruments>
<CsScore>
f0 3600
f1 0 8192 10 1

</CsScore>
</CsoundSynthesizer>

;*************************


2010/11/13 Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com>:

> Unfortunately, for me not.
> Maybee I didn't install the program properly from source?
> 2010/11/13 joachim heintz <jh@joachimheintz.de>
>>
>> for me, your csd in this version works:
>>
>> <CsoundSynthesizer>
>> <CsOptions>
>> </CsOptions>
>> <CsInstruments>
>> sr = 48000
>> kr = 480
>> ksmps = 100
>> nchnls = 2
>> massign 0, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
>> instr 101
>> icps cpsmidi
>> iamp ampmidi 10000
>> ia = 0.001
>> itype = 0
>> idur = 1
>> ib = 1
>> irel = 0.1
>> iz = 0.001
>> kenv transegr ia, idur, itype, ib , irel, itype, iz
>> iwave = 1
>> asig oscil kenv*iamp, icps, iwave
>> outs asig, asig
>> endin
>> </CsInstruments>
>> <CsScore>
>> f0 3600
>> f1 0 8192 10 1
>> </CsScore>
>> </CsoundSynthesizer>
>>
>>        joachim
>>
>> Am 13.11.2010 um 22:46 schrieb Stefan Thomas:
>>
>>> Unfortunately, massign 0,101 doesn't help
>>>
>>> 2010/11/13 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie>
>>> I think you need
>>>
>>> massign 0,101
>>>
>>> to do what you are asking in your comment.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> On 13 Nov 2010, at 19:46, Stefan Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>> massign 1, 101 ; alle Midi-Ereignisse an instr. 101
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Hi Aaron,

Just as aside, this is a great way to use a simple typographical
technique to make code more readable.  Very nice.

- Dave

On 11/27/2010 9:49 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> By 'parenthesis on the levels', I made a mistake and meant putting
> parenthesis around the times and curve types, but you probably figured
> that out....so here's my final answer again, but corrected so that the
> final curve is non-linear:
>
> aenv    transegr 0.001, (0.1), (0), 1, (15), (0), 1,  (0.1), (1), 0.001
>
> of course you could do it around the levels if you think that makes more
> sense:
>
> aenv    transegr (0.001), 0.1, 0, (1), 15, 0, (1),  0.1, 1, (0.001)
>
> AKJ

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Dear Aaron,
thank You.
It works perfectly now!

2010/11/27 Dave Seidel <dave@superluminal.com>

Hi Aaron,

Just as aside, this is a great way to use a simple typographical
technique to make code more readable.  Very nice.

- Dave

On 11/27/2010 9:49 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> By 'parenthesis on the levels', I made a mistake and meant putting
> parenthesis around the times and curve types, but you probably figured
> that out....so here's my final answer again, but corrected so that the
> final curve is non-linear:
>
> aenv    transegr 0.001, (0.1), (0), 1, (15), (0), 1,  (0.1), (1), 0.001
>
> of course you could do it around the levels if you think that makes more
> sense:
>
> aenv    transegr (0.001), 0.1, 0, (1), 15, 0, (1),  0.1, 1, (0.001)
>
> AKJ

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Hi Aaron,

Just as aside, this is a great way to use a simple typographical
technique to make code more readable.  Very nice.

- Dave

On 11/27/2010 9:49 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> By 'parenthesis on the levels', I made a mistake and meant putting
> parenthesis around the times and curve types, but you probably figured
> that out....so here's my final answer again, but corrected so that the
> final curve is non-linear:
>
> aenv    transegr 0.001, (0.1), (0), 1, (15), (0), 1,  (0.1), (1), 0.001
>
> of course you could do it around the levels if you think that makes more
> sense:
>
> aenv    transegr (0.001), 0.1, 0, (1), 15, 0, (1),  0.1, 1, (0.001)
>
> AKJ

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I forgot where I picked up that trick---was it Steven Yi? I forget, but I remember thinking it was a cool technique. I don't really use it alot, but with envelopes---they tend to be confusing quite a bit, and I think it helps a great deal. I think it would alos work well in the context of certain GEN tables that have breakpoints as well.

AKJ

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Dave Seidel <dave@superluminal.com> wrote:

Hi Aaron,

Just as aside, this is a great way to use a simple typographical
technique to make code more readable.  Very nice.

- Dave

On 11/27/2010 9:49 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> By 'parenthesis on the levels', I made a mistake and meant putting
> parenthesis around the times and curve types, but you probably figured
> that out....so here's my final answer again, but corrected so that the
> final curve is non-linear:
>
> aenv    transegr 0.001, (0.1), (0), 1, (15), (0), 1,  (0.1), (1), 0.001
>
> of course you could do it around the levels if you think that makes more
> sense:
>
> aenv    transegr (0.001), 0.1, 0, (1), 15, 0, (1),  0.1, 1, (0.001)
>
> AKJ

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Although I think I understand how transegr works, I still do have the problem, that I can always hear clearly a clicking noise, when the note off command is sended.
I thought that
iend = 0
iaus = 7
irel = 0.1
aenv    transegr 0.001, (0.01), (-1), 1, (iaus*0.2), (-10), 0.5, (iaus*0.8), (0), iend , (irel), (10), iend
could be a nice envelope, but the release is not as smooth as with the linsegr.

2010/11/28 Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@akjmusic.com>

I forgot where I picked up that trick---was it Steven Yi? I forget, but I remember thinking it was a cool technique. I don't really use it alot, but with envelopes---they tend to be confusing quite a bit, and I think it helps a great deal. I think it would alos work well in the context of certain GEN tables that have breakpoints as well.

AKJ

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Dave Seidel <dave@superluminal.com> wrote:

Hi Aaron,

Just as aside, this is a great way to use a simple typographical
technique to make code more readable.  Very nice.

- Dave

On 11/27/2010 9:49 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> By 'parenthesis on the levels', I made a mistake and meant putting
> parenthesis around the times and curve types, but you probably figured
> that out....so here's my final answer again, but corrected so that the
> final curve is non-linear:
>
> aenv    transegr 0.001, (0.1), (0), 1, (15), (0), 1,  (0.1), (1), 0.001
>
> of course you could do it around the levels if you think that makes more
> sense:
>
> aenv    transegr (0.001), 0.1, 0, (1), 15, 0, (1),  0.1, 1, (0.001)
>
> AKJ

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Although I think I understand how transegr works, I still do have the problem, that I can always hear clearly a clicking noise, when the note off command is sended.
I thought that
iend = 0
iaus = 7
irel = 0.1
aenv    transegr 0.001, (0.01), (-1), 1, (iaus*0.2), (-10), 0.5, (iaus*0.8), (0), iend , (irel), (10), iend
could be a nice envelope, but the release is not as smooth as with the linsegr.

2010/11/28 Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@akjmusic.com>

I forgot where I picked up that trick---was it Steven Yi? I forget, but I remember thinking it was a cool technique. I don't really use it alot, but with envelopes---they tend to be confusing quite a bit, and I think it helps a great deal. I think it would alos work well in the context of certain GEN tables that have breakpoints as well.

AKJ

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Dave Seidel <dave@superluminal.com> wrote:

Hi Aaron,

Just as aside, this is a great way to use a simple typographical
technique to make code more readable.  Very nice.

- Dave

On 11/27/2010 9:49 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> By 'parenthesis on the levels', I made a mistake and meant putting
> parenthesis around the times and curve types, but you probably figured
> that out....so here's my final answer again, but corrected so that the
> final curve is non-linear:
>
> aenv    transegr 0.001, (0.1), (0), 1, (15), (0), 1,  (0.1), (1), 0.001
>
> of course you could do it around the levels if you think that makes more
> sense:
>
> aenv    transegr (0.001), 0.1, 0, (1), 15, 0, (1),  0.1, 1, (0.001)
>
> AKJ

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Also, note that you shouldn't end at zero if you are using non-linear curves---that's a mathematical error liable to cause a discontinuity....I'm surprised that Csound isn't throwing an error message your way!

AKJ

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Stefan Thomas <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com> wrote:

Although I think I understand how transegr works, I still do have the problem, that I can always hear clearly a clicking noise, when the note off command is sended.
I thought that
iend = 0
iaus = 7
irel = 0.1
aenv    transegr 0.001, (0.01), (-1), 1, (iaus*0.2), (-10), 0.5, (iaus*0.8), (0), iend , (irel), (10), iend
could be a nice envelope, but the release is not as smooth as with the linsegr.

2010/11/28 Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@akjmusic.com>

I forgot where I picked up that trick---was it Steven Yi? I forget, but I remember thinking it was a cool technique. I don't really use it alot, but with envelopes---they tend to be confusing quite a bit, and I think it helps a great deal. I think it would alos work well in the context of certain GEN tables that have breakpoints as well.

AKJ

On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Dave Seidel <dave@superluminal.com> wrote:

Hi Aaron,

Just as aside, this is a great way to use a simple typographical
technique to make code more readable.  Very nice.

- Dave

On 11/27/2010 9:49 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
> By 'parenthesis on the levels', I made a mistake and meant putting
> parenthesis around the times and curve types, but you probably figured
> that out....so here's my final answer again, but corrected so that the
> final curve is non-linear:
>
> aenv    transegr 0.001, (0.1), (0), 1, (15), (0), 1,  (0.1), (1), 0.001
>
> of course you could do it around the levels if you think that makes more
> sense:
>
> aenv    transegr (0.001), 0.1, 0, (1), 15, 0, (1),  0.1, 1, (0.001)
>
> AKJ

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In general, you will get a click at the end unless the release is
moderately concave and about .005 or even longer depending on the
timbre.

In a situation like this, set up a test instrument and/or score and
try systematically changing one parameter at a time one increment at a
time so that you can hear the effects. Like tweaking the knobs on a
modular analog synthesizer.

Hope this helps,
Mike

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Stefan Thomas

<kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Dear Aaron,
> what I don't understand is:
>>
>> If itype > 0, there is a slowly rising (concave) or slowly decaying
>> (convex) curve
>
> So I would expect a slowly decaying end after the note-off command is ended.
> I tried it also with iend = 0.001 and itype = 1 or itype = -1
> but the result is alwys with an audible click after the noteoff is sended.
>
> 2010/11/29 Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@akjmusic.com>
>>
>> Also, note that you shouldn't end at zero if you are using non-linear
>> curves---that's a mathematical error liable to cause a discontinuity....I'm
>> surprised that Csound isn't throwing an error message your way!
>>
>> AKJ
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Stefan Thomas
>> <kontrapunktstefan@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Although I think I understand how transegr works, I still do have the
>>> problem, that I can always hear clearly a clicking noise, when the note off
>>> command is sended.
>>> I thought that
>>> iend = 0
>>> iaus = 7
>>> irel = 0.1
>>> aenv    transegr 0.001, (0.01), (-1), 1, (iaus*0.2), (-10), 0.5,
>>> (iaus*0.8), (0), iend , (irel), (10), iend
>>> could be a nice envelope, but the release is not as smooth as with the
>>> linsegr.
>>>
>>> 2010/11/28 Aaron Krister Johnson <aaron@akjmusic.com>
>>>>
>>>> I forgot where I picked up that trick---was it Steven Yi? I forget, but
>>>> I remember thinking it was a cool technique. I don't really use it alot, but
>>>> with envelopes---they tend to be confusing quite a bit, and I think it helps
>>>> a great deal. I think it would alos work well in the context of certain GEN
>>>> tables that have breakpoints as well.
>>>>
>>>> AKJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Dave Seidel <dave@superluminal.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Aaron,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just as aside, this is a great way to use a simple typographical
>>>>> technique to make code more readable.  Very nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/27/2010 9:49 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:
>>>>> > By 'parenthesis on the levels', I made a mistake and meant putting
>>>>> > parenthesis around the times and curve types, but you probably
>>>>> > figured
>>>>> > that out....so here's my final answer again, but corrected so that
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > final curve is non-linear:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > aenv    transegr 0.001, (0.1), (0), 1, (15), (0), 1,  (0.1), (1),
>>>>> > 0.001
>>>>> >
>>>>> > of course you could do it around the levels if you think that makes
>>>>> > more
>>>>> > sense:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > aenv    transegr (0.001), 0.1, 0, (1), 15, 0, (1),  0.1, 1, (0.001)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > AKJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> Aaron Krister Johnson
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>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Aaron Krister Johnson
>> http://www.akjmusic.com
>> http://www.untwelve.org
>>
>
>

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Irreducible Productions
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