Re: [Csnd] Cecilia

Date	2011-08-23 15:23
From	PMA
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Cecilia
	Hi List. Any thoughts comparing Cecilia and QuteCsound? Pete Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-08-23 16:56
From	peiman khosravi
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Cecilia
	They're different because Cecilia is more suitable for controlling synthesis parameters in studio production - i.e. the whole design is made around the possibility of automating parameters. QuteCsound will become a good alternative to cecilia with a line editor of some sort. Also Cecilia takes care of all the gui stuff for you so you can focus on the essentials instead of worrying about GUI elements. Comparing Blue and Cecilia on the other hand is very relevant. I would like to see more features in Blue for table editing GUI (logarithmic and curved function, copy and paste, random generators and so on) and a more real-time work-flow with graphic feedback - e.g. meters on the mixer strips. Best, Peiman On 23 August 2011 15:23, PMA wrote: > Hi List. > > Any thoughts comparing Cecilia and QuteCsound? > > Pete > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe > csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-08-23 17:07
From	Olivier Bélanger
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Cecilia
	Hi, Sorry for the silence, I just came back from vacancy... I am the main developer of Cecilia4 (and now the only one on Cecilia5), under Jean Piché. There is a lot of important points in this thread. 1- About comparing Cecilia and QuteCsound, I think a long time ago, Cecilia was a good environment to begin with csound scripting (keyword colorization, embeded manual, etc), but that was never the main goal of this software. It was/is a creation tool entended for electroacoustic composer, not a programming environment. We use it a lot in composition classes here at Université de Montréal. It was also a good tool to teach Csound's programming, but as someone said before, there is a lot of work done behind the scene when generating the final .csd file, that may be confusing. Now, I think QuteCsound is a better editor for Csound programming, it offers all the usual tools to perform with a particular language. If someone wants to create Csound program, I think QuteCsound is the soft to use. 2- About learning SuperCollider, it's more about comparing Csound with SuperCollider. For me, it's only a question about programming style preferences. To do fancy stuff, anyway, we have to spend a lot of time learning a specific lamguage, no matter which one we pick! 3- It's true that there is a lack of documentation for Cecilia. There were always only a few people working on this project, and the choice was to make a software as straightforward as possible to use in its main goal, that is to say generating sounds. Maybe, some day, someone will have time to work on this lack... 4- 2 years ago, I have completely rewritten the Cecilia interface in Python/WxPython, instead of tcl/tk, and now this affects the rest of the project. It's not the first time I create a scripting environment for Csound (Ounk, TamTam/OLPC) and I'm a little bit tired to write a software that writes a text file for another software. It's hard to maintain and forces to do some weird tricks to reach the desired goals... So now that Pyo (an audio engine I created as a Python module) is enough mature to be used in large project, I'm actually switching the audio engine of Cecilia5 to Pyo. Cecilia 4.2 is the last one using Csound. It's a lot easier for me to manage everything in Python than to communicate between two softwares and the OOP aspect of the language will let me do a lot of new cool stuff in the near future. It's nothing against Csound (I use it for ten years), it's only a question of ease with a language that I can easily extend and maintain. Olivier 2011/8/23 PMA <PeterArmstrong@aya.yale.edu> Hi List. Any thoughts comparing Cecilia and QuteCsound? Pete Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2011-08-23 18:19
From	Steven Yi
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Cecilia
	I would like to see those too in blue! :D Hopefully in a few weeks things will start to pick up when I start the Ph.D. programme in Ireland. Until then, please by all means put these requests in to the tracker for blue if they aren't already. I will be doing a big sweep and work on a game plan for release schedule once I'm done with my job and time frees up. Thanks! steven On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:56 AM, peiman khosravi wrote: > They're different because Cecilia is more suitable for controlling > synthesis parameters in studio production - i.e. the whole design is > made around the possibility of automating parameters. > > QuteCsound will become a good alternative to cecilia with a line > editor of some sort. Also Cecilia takes care of all the gui stuff for > you so you can focus on the essentials instead of worrying about GUI > elements. > > Comparing Blue and Cecilia on the other hand is very relevant. I would > like to see more features in Blue for table editing GUI (logarithmic > and curved function, copy and paste, random generators and so on) and > a more real-time work-flow with graphic feedback - e.g. meters on the > mixer strips. > > Best, > > Peiman > > On 23 August 2011 15:23, PMA wrote: >> Hi List. >> >> Any thoughts comparing Cecilia and QuteCsound? >> >> Pete >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >> csound" >> >> > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"