Hi,

out of curiosity, since many people here seem to use macOS: is the 
coreaudio driver working? I just had to debug a simple .csd running on 
macOS where everything seemed upside down, channels got mixed up, 
performance was terrible, etc. Just changing from coreaudio to portaudio 
solved it.

---

eduardo moguillansky

Csound mailing list
Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
Send bugs reports to
        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

The code has not changed for a long time. I have not used it recently, but will try it.

Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
Maynooth University
Ireland

> On 14 Aug 2019, at 18:52, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> out of curiosity, since many people here seem to use macOS: is the coreaudio driver working? I just had to debug a simple .csd running on macOS where everything seemed upside down, channels got mixed up, performance was terrible, etc. Just changing from coreaudio to portaudio solved it.
> 
> ---
> 
> eduardo moguillansky
> 
> Csound mailing list
> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
> Send bugs reports to
>       https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Csound mailing list
Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
Send bugs reports to
        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

tested here with builtin audio and it works fine.
========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 

> On 14 Aug 2019, at 19:30, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> 
> The code has not changed for a long time. I have not used it recently, but will try it.
> 
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
> 
>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 18:52, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> out of curiosity, since many people here seem to use macOS: is the coreaudio driver working? I just had to debug a simple .csd running on macOS where everything seemed upside down, channels got mixed up, performance was terrible, etc. Just changing from coreaudio to portaudio solved it.
>> 
>> ---
>> 
>> eduardo moguillansky
>> 
>> Csound mailing list
>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>      https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> 
> Csound mailing list
> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
> Send bugs reports to
>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Csound mailing list
Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
Send bugs reports to
        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

This was in a setup with a MOTU audio interface connected via USB. Same 
setup with Max worked fine and csound via portaudio also.

On 14.08.19 20:41, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> tested here with builtin audio and it works fine.
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>
>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 19:30, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>
>> The code has not changed for a long time. I have not used it recently, but will try it.
>>
>> Victor Lazzarini
>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>> Maynooth University
>> Ireland
>>
>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 18:52, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> out of curiosity, since many people here seem to use macOS: is the coreaudio driver working? I just had to debug a simple .csd running on macOS where everything seemed upside down, channels got mixed up, performance was terrible, etc. Just changing from coreaudio to portaudio solved it.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> eduardo moguillansky
>>>
>>> Csound mailing list
>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>       https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> Csound mailing list
>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> Csound mailing list
> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
> Send bugs reports to
>          https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Csound mailing list
Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
Send bugs reports to
        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

I heard similar reports with that particular HW, so I suspect it's always been problematic. Unfortunately, it's a hard one to debug if it does not show up elsewhere. 
My experience here with RME and presonus has been ok.

Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
Maynooth University
Ireland

> On 14 Aug 2019, at 20:16, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
> 
> This was in a setup with a MOTU audio interface connected via USB. Same setup with Max worked fine and csound via portaudio also.
> 
>> On 14.08.19 20:41, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> tested here with builtin audio and it works fine.
>> ========================
>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> Maynooth University,
>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> 
>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 19:30, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The code has not changed for a long time. I have not used it recently, but will try it.
>>> 
>>> Victor Lazzarini
>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>>> Maynooth University
>>> Ireland
>>> 
>>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 18:52, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> out of curiosity, since many people here seem to use macOS: is the coreaudio driver working? I just had to debug a simple .csd running on macOS where everything seemed upside down, channels got mixed up, performance was terrible, etc. Just changing from coreaudio to portaudio solved it.
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> 
>>>> eduardo moguillansky
>>>> 
>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>      https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> Csound mailing list
>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> Csound mailing list
>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> 
> Csound mailing list
> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
> Send bugs reports to
>       https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Csound mailing list
Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
Send bugs reports to
        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Hi, 

i confirm,  motu audio  mk4  has big problems,
even with logic pro X, 
the connection is lost  and one must reopen logic again!!!
The  motu support was not able to solve this problem till one year!

Cheers.

Raoul MEGELAS
rmgls@orange.fr



> On 14 Aug 2019, at 21:28, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> 
> I heard similar reports with that particular HW, so I suspect it's always been problematic. Unfortunately, it's a hard one to debug if it does not show up elsewhere. 
> My experience here with RME and presonus has been ok.
> 
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
> 
>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 20:16, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
>> 
>> This was in a setup with a MOTU audio interface connected via USB. Same setup with Max worked fine and csound via portaudio also.
>> 
>>> On 14.08.19 20:41, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>> tested here with builtin audio and it works fine.
>>> ========================
>>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>>> Maynooth University,
>>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>> 
>>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 19:30, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The code has not changed for a long time. I have not used it recently, but will try it.
>>>> 
>>>> Victor Lazzarini
>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>>>> Maynooth University
>>>> Ireland
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 18:52, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> out of curiosity, since many people here seem to use macOS: is the coreaudio driver working? I just had to debug a simple .csd running on macOS where everything seemed upside down, channels got mixed up, performance was terrible, etc. Just changing from coreaudio to portaudio solved it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---
>>>>> 
>>>>> eduardo moguillansky
>>>>> 
>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>     https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>       https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> Csound mailing list
>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> 
>> Csound mailing list
>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>      https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> 
> Csound mailing list
> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
> Send bugs reports to
>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Csound mailing list
Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
Send bugs reports to
        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

does coreaudio and/or portaudio work for you on osx 10.14 (mojave) with 
csoundqt?

i just did a clean install on a new machine, and even the Examples > 
Getting Started > Basics > Hello World shows a delay of nearly one 
second after pushing the Run button.

this was obviously introduced by some changes in osx 10.14, but now only 
jack is working without these issues.


On 14/08/19 21:28, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> I heard similar reports with that particular HW, so I suspect it's always been problematic. Unfortunately, it's a hard one to debug if it does not show up elsewhere.
> My experience here with RME and presonus has been ok.
>
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
>
>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 20:16, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
>>
>> This was in a setup with a MOTU audio interface connected via USB. Same setup with Max worked fine and csound via portaudio also.
>>
>>> On 14.08.19 20:41, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>> tested here with builtin audio and it works fine.
>>> ========================
>>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>>> Maynooth University,
>>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>>
>>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 19:30, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The code has not changed for a long time. I have not used it recently, but will try it.
>>>>
>>>> Victor Lazzarini
>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>>>> Maynooth University
>>>> Ireland
>>>>
>>>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 18:52, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> out of curiosity, since many people here seem to use macOS: is the coreaudio driver working? I just had to debug a simple .csd running on macOS where everything seemed upside down, channels got mixed up, performance was terrible, etc. Just changing from coreaudio to portaudio solved it.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> eduardo moguillansky
>>>>>
>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>      https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> Csound mailing list
>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>       https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
> Csound mailing list
> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
> Send bugs reports to
>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>

Csound mailing list
Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
Send bugs reports to
        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

We discussed this here. The problem is to do with permissions from the microphone, and when CsoundQT tries to open it, it has to request the permission (every time), hence the startup delay. If you remove audio in, it does not happen.

With jack, the permission is given to jack when it starts up, then CsoundQT does not
need to request it. Same happens to Csound running on the Terminal, the permission is
given to the terminal when it is launched.

Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
Maynooth University
Ireland

> On 25 Aug 2019, at 09:29, joachim heintz  wrote:
> 
> does coreaudio and/or portaudio work for you on osx 10.14 (mojave) with csoundqt?
> 
> i just did a clean install on a new machine, and even the Examples > Getting Started > Basics > Hello World shows a delay of nearly one second after pushing the Run button.
> 
> this was obviously introduced by some changes in osx 10.14, but now only jack is working without these issues.
> 
> 
>> On 14/08/19 21:28, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> I heard similar reports with that particular HW, so I suspect it's always been problematic. Unfortunately, it's a hard one to debug if it does not show up elsewhere.
>> My experience here with RME and presonus has been ok.
>> 
>> Victor Lazzarini
>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>> Maynooth University
>> Ireland
>> 
>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 20:16, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This was in a setup with a MOTU audio interface connected via USB. Same setup with Max worked fine and csound via portaudio also.
>>> 
>>>> On 14.08.19 20:41, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>> tested here with builtin audio and it works fine.
>>>> ========================
>>>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>>>> Maynooth University,
>>>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 19:30, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The code has not changed for a long time. I have not used it recently, but will try it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Victor Lazzarini
>>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>>>>> Maynooth University
>>>>> Ireland
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 18:52, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> out of curiosity, since many people here seem to use macOS: is the coreaudio driver working? I just had to debug a simple .csd running on macOS where everything seemed upside down, channels got mixed up, performance was terrible, etc. Just changing from coreaudio to portaudio solved it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> eduardo moguillansky
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>     https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>       https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> 
>>> Csound mailing list
>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>      https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> 
>> Csound mailing list
>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> 
> 
> Csound mailing list
> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
> Send bugs reports to
>       https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Csound mailing list
Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
Send bugs reports to
        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

but why is the initial delay (~ 1 sec) kept for any live audio input?  i 
just tried the Audio Thru example (Examples>Useful), and that's what 
happens for me with portaudio.

i am still wondering what we can do to fix this.  i think it works for 
Ardour, PD etc.



On 25/08/19 10:36, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> We discussed this here. The problem is to do with permissions from the microphone, and when CsoundQT tries to open it, it has to request the permission (every time), hence the startup delay. If you remove audio in, it does not happen.
>
> With jack, the permission is given to jack when it starts up, then CsoundQT does not
> need to request it. Same happens to Csound running on the Terminal, the permission is
> given to the terminal when it is launched.
>
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
>
>> On 25 Aug 2019, at 09:29, joachim heintz  wrote:
>>
>> does coreaudio and/or portaudio work for you on osx 10.14 (mojave) with csoundqt?
>>
>> i just did a clean install on a new machine, and even the Examples > Getting Started > Basics > Hello World shows a delay of nearly one second after pushing the Run button.
>>
>> this was obviously introduced by some changes in osx 10.14, but now only jack is working without these issues.
>>
>>
>>> On 14/08/19 21:28, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>> I heard similar reports with that particular HW, so I suspect it's always been problematic. Unfortunately, it's a hard one to debug if it does not show up elsewhere.
>>> My experience here with RME and presonus has been ok.
>>>
>>> Victor Lazzarini
>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>>> Maynooth University
>>> Ireland
>>>
>>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 20:16, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This was in a setup with a MOTU audio interface connected via USB. Same setup with Max worked fine and csound via portaudio also.
>>>>
>>>>> On 14.08.19 20:41, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>> tested here with builtin audio and it works fine.
>>>>> ========================
>>>>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>>>>> Maynooth University,
>>>>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>>>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>>>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 19:30, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The code has not changed for a long time. I have not used it recently, but will try it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>>>>>> Maynooth University
>>>>>> Ireland
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 18:52, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> out of curiosity, since many people here seem to use macOS: is the coreaudio driver working? I just had to debug a simple .csd running on macOS where everything seemed upside down, channels got mixed up, performance was terrible, etc. Just changing from coreaudio to portaudio solved it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> eduardo moguillansky
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>>     https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>       https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>
>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>      https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>
>>> Csound mailing list
>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>       https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
> Csound mailing list
> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
> Send bugs reports to
>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>

Csound mailing list
Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
Send bugs reports to
        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

yep, any audio input. Ardour doesn’t not open and close the input every time you press play.
If CsoundQT implemented its own IO, like Cabbage, it would not happen.
========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 

> On 27 Aug 2019, at 08:34, joachim heintz  wrote:
> 
> but why is the initial delay (~ 1 sec) kept for any live audio input?  i just tried the Audio Thru example (Examples>Useful), and that's what happens for me with portaudio.
> 
> i am still wondering what we can do to fix this.  i think it works for Ardour, PD etc.
> 
> 
> 
> On 25/08/19 10:36, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> We discussed this here. The problem is to do with permissions from the microphone, and when CsoundQT tries to open it, it has to request the permission (every time), hence the startup delay. If you remove audio in, it does not happen.
>> 
>> With jack, the permission is given to jack when it starts up, then CsoundQT does not
>> need to request it. Same happens to Csound running on the Terminal, the permission is
>> given to the terminal when it is launched.
>> 
>> Victor Lazzarini
>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>> Maynooth University
>> Ireland
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2019, at 09:29, joachim heintz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> does coreaudio and/or portaudio work for you on osx 10.14 (mojave) with csoundqt?
>>> 
>>> i just did a clean install on a new machine, and even the Examples > Getting Started > Basics > Hello World shows a delay of nearly one second after pushing the Run button.
>>> 
>>> this was obviously introduced by some changes in osx 10.14, but now only jack is working without these issues.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 14/08/19 21:28, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>> I heard similar reports with that particular HW, so I suspect it's always been problematic. Unfortunately, it's a hard one to debug if it does not show up elsewhere.
>>>> My experience here with RME and presonus has been ok.
>>>> 
>>>> Victor Lazzarini
>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>>>> Maynooth University
>>>> Ireland
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 20:16, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This was in a setup with a MOTU audio interface connected via USB. Same setup with Max worked fine and csound via portaudio also.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14.08.19 20:41, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>>>> tested here with builtin audio and it works fine.
>>>>>> ========================
>>>>>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>>>>>> Maynooth University,
>>>>>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>>>>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>>>>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 19:30, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The code has not changed for a long time. I have not used it recently, but will try it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>>>>>>> Maynooth University
>>>>>>> Ireland
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 18:52, Eduardo Moguillansky  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> out of curiosity, since many people here seem to use macOS: is the coreaudio driver working? I just had to debug a simple .csd running on macOS where everything seemed upside down, channels got mixed up, performance was terrible, etc. Just changing from coreaudio to portaudio solved it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> eduardo moguillansky
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>>>    https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>>      https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>       https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> 
>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>     https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> 
>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>       https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Csound mailing list
>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>      https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> 
>> Csound mailing list
>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> 
> 
> Csound mailing list
> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
> Send bugs reports to
>       https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here


Csound mailing list
Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
Send bugs reports to
        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

hi tarmo -

i tried your CsoundQml prototype on a Mac (10.14).  everything is 
working perfect -- no time to wait ... --- and the layout and the whole 
approach is very promising.

i am wondering whether you can at any time in future create a version 
which includes csound and can work as a standalone application.  the we 
can send to musicians just this application with any of our pieces for 
live electronics, and they just have to install it, and can start. 
currently it is still much more complicated, as we know.

see you soon in cagli!

	joachim



On 27/08/19 16:56, Tarmo Johannes wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the question, Joachim and the explanations, Victor!
>
> What concern CsoundQt, I am afraid we have to live with that...
> redesigning the current CsoundEngine class would be too complex (just
> for changes in Mojave) I guess no input if not needed and use Jack, if
> necessary is the best bet. Or maybe MacOS gets better in that sense -
> inquiring for one permission for several seconds is slow...
>
> However, in the future CsoundQml where the CsoundEngine is separate,
> this problem should be possible to solve. Good to think about it. People
> on Mojave, you can try out:
> https://github.com/tarmoj/CsoundQml/releases/download/0.1.1/CsoundQml-0.1.1-MacOS.zip
>
> Greetings,
> tarmo
>
> On Aug 27 2019, at 12:44 pm, Victor Lazzarini 
> wrote:
>
>     yep, any audio input. Ardour doesn’t not open and close the input
>     every time you press play.
>     If CsoundQT implemented its own IO, like Cabbage, it would not happen.
>     ========================
>     Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>     Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>     Maynooth University,
>     Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>     Tel: 00 353 7086936
>     Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>
>         On 27 Aug 2019, at 08:34, joachim heintz 
>         wrote:
>
>         but why is the initial delay (~ 1 sec) kept for any live audio
>         input? i just tried the Audio Thru example (Examples>Useful),
>         and that's what happens for me with portaudio.
>
>         i am still wondering what we can do to fix this. i think it
>         works for Ardour, PD etc.
>
>
>
>         On 25/08/19 10:36, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>
>             We discussed this here. The problem is to do with
>             permissions from the microphone, and when CsoundQT tries to
>             open it, it has to request the permission (every time),
>             hence the startup delay. If you remove audio in, it does not
>             happen.
>
>             With jack, the permission is given to jack when it starts
>             up, then CsoundQT does not
>             need to request it. Same happens to Csound running on the
>             Terminal, the permission is
>             given to the terminal when it is launched.
>
>             Victor Lazzarini
>             Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>             Maynooth University
>             Ireland
>
>                 On 25 Aug 2019, at 09:29, joachim heintz
>                  wrote:
>
>                 does coreaudio and/or portaudio work for you on osx
>                 10.14 (mojave) with csoundqt?
>
>                 i just did a clean install on a new machine, and even
>                 the Examples > Getting Started > Basics > Hello World
>                 shows a delay of nearly one second after pushing the Run
>                 button.
>
>                 this was obviously introduced by some changes in osx
>                 10.14, but now only jack is working without these issues.
>
>
>                     On 14/08/19 21:28, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>                     I heard similar reports with that particular HW, so
>                     I suspect it's always been problematic.
>                     Unfortunately, it's a hard one to debug if it does
>                     not show up elsewhere.
>                     My experience here with RME and presonus has been ok.
>
>                     Victor Lazzarini
>                     Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>                     Maynooth University
>                     Ireland
>
>                         On 14 Aug 2019, at 20:16, Eduardo Moguillansky
>                          wrote:
>
>                         This was in a setup with a MOTU audio interface
>                         connected via USB. Same setup with Max worked
>                         fine and csound via portaudio also.
>
>                             On 14.08.19 20:41, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>                             tested here with builtin audio and it works
>                             fine.
>                             ========================
>                             Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>                             Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>                             Maynooth University,
>                             Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>                             Tel: 00 353 7086936
>                             Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>
>                                 On 14 Aug 2019, at 19:30, Victor
>                                 Lazzarini  wrote:
>
>                                 The code has not changed for a long
>                                 time. I have not used it recently, but
>                                 will try it.
>
>                                 Victor Lazzarini
>                                 Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>                                 Maynooth University
>                                 Ireland
>
>                                     On 14 Aug 2019, at 18:52, Eduardo
>                                     Moguillansky
>                                      wrote:
>
>                                     Hi,
>
>                                     out of curiosity, since many people
>                                     here seem to use macOS: is the
>                                     coreaudio driver working? I just had
>                                     to debug a simple .csd running on
>                                     macOS where everything seemed upside
>                                     down, channels got mixed up,
>                                     performance was terrible, etc. Just
>                                     changing from coreaudio to portaudio
>                                     solved it.
>
>                                     ---
>
>                                     eduardo moguillansky
>
>                                     Csound mailing list
>                                     Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>                                     https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>                                     Send bugs reports to
>                                     https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>                                     Discussions of bugs and features can
>                                     be posted here
>
>                                 Csound mailing list
>                                 Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>                                 https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>                                 Send bugs reports to
>                                 https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>                                 Discussions of bugs and features can be
>                                 posted here
>
>                             Csound mailing list
>                             Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>                             https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>                             Send bugs reports to
>                             https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>                             Discussions of bugs and features can be
>                             posted here
>
>
>                         Csound mailing list
>                         Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>                         https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>                         Send bugs reports to
>                         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>                         Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
>                     Csound mailing list
>                     Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>                     https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>                     Send bugs reports to
>                     https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>                     Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
>                 Csound mailing list
>                 Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>                 https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>                 Send bugs reports to
>                 https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>                 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
>             Csound mailing list
>             Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>             https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>             Send bugs reports to
>             https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>             Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
>         Csound mailing list
>         Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>         https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>         Send bugs reports to
>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>         Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
>
>     Csound mailing list
>     Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>     https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>     Send bugs reports to
>     https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>     Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> 
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features
> can be posted here

Csound mailing list
Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
Send bugs reports to
        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

no i just tried your example, and now i am not in the studio.  but i can 
try the next days.
	j



On 06/09/19 16:29, Tarmo Johannes wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for trying! Did you put -iadc or similar to the CsoundOptions?
>
> Yes, currently it is really a proof-of-concept. I try to improve that a
> bit for demo in Cagli but really usable version is still quite far...
>
> Tarmo
>
> R, 6. september 2019 17:23 joachim heintz  > kirjutas:
>
>     hi tarmo -
>
>     i tried your CsoundQml prototype on a Mac (10.14).  everything is
>     working perfect -- no time to wait ... --- and the layout and the whole
>     approach is very promising.
>
>     i am wondering whether you can at any time in future create a version
>     which includes csound and can work as a standalone application.  the we
>     can send to musicians just this application with any of our pieces for
>     live electronics, and they just have to install it, and can start.
>     currently it is still much more complicated, as we know.
>
>     see you soon in cagli!
>
>             joachim
>
>
>
>     On 27/08/19 16:56, Tarmo Johannes wrote:
>     > Hi,
>     >
>     > Thanks for the question, Joachim and the explanations, Victor!
>     >
>     > What concern CsoundQt, I am afraid we have to live with that...
>     > redesigning the current CsoundEngine class would be too complex (just
>     > for changes in Mojave) I guess no input if not needed and use Jack, if
>     > necessary is the best bet. Or maybe MacOS gets better in that sense -
>     > inquiring for one permission for several seconds is slow...
>     >
>     > However, in the future CsoundQml where the CsoundEngine is separate,
>     > this problem should be possible to solve. Good to think about it.
>     People
>     > on Mojave, you can try out:
>     >
>     https://github.com/tarmoj/CsoundQml/releases/download/0.1.1/CsoundQml-0.1.1-MacOS.zip
>     >
>     > Greetings,
>     > tarmo
>     >
>     > On Aug 27 2019, at 12:44 pm, Victor Lazzarini
>     >
>     > wrote:
>     >
>     >     yep, any audio input. Ardour doesn’t not open and close the input
>     >     every time you press play.
>     >     If CsoundQT implemented its own IO, like Cabbage, it would not
>     happen.
>     >     ========================
>     >     Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>     >     Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>     >     Maynooth University,
>     >     Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>     >     Tel: 00 353 7086936
>     >     Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>     >
>     >         On 27 Aug 2019, at 08:34, joachim heintz
>     >
>     >         wrote:
>     >
>     >         but why is the initial delay (~ 1 sec) kept for any live audio
>     >         input? i just tried the Audio Thru example (Examples>Useful),
>     >         and that's what happens for me with portaudio.
>     >
>     >         i am still wondering what we can do to fix this. i think it
>     >         works for Ardour, PD etc.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >         On 25/08/19 10:36, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>     >
>     >             We discussed this here. The problem is to do with
>     >             permissions from the microphone, and when CsoundQT
>     tries to
>     >             open it, it has to request the permission (every time),
>     >             hence the startup delay. If you remove audio in, it
>     does not
>     >             happen.
>     >
>     >             With jack, the permission is given to jack when it starts
>     >             up, then CsoundQT does not
>     >             need to request it. Same happens to Csound running on the
>     >             Terminal, the permission is
>     >             given to the terminal when it is launched.
>     >
>     >             Victor Lazzarini
>     >             Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>     >             Maynooth University
>     >             Ireland
>     >
>     >                 On 25 Aug 2019, at 09:29, joachim heintz
>     >                 >
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >                 does coreaudio and/or portaudio work for you on osx
>     >                 10.14 (mojave) with csoundqt?
>     >
>     >                 i just did a clean install on a new machine, and even
>     >                 the Examples > Getting Started > Basics > Hello World
>     >                 shows a delay of nearly one second after pushing
>     the Run
>     >                 button.
>     >
>     >                 this was obviously introduced by some changes in osx
>     >                 10.14, but now only jack is working without these
>     issues.
>     >
>     >
>     >                     On 14/08/19 21:28, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>     >                     I heard similar reports with that particular
>     HW, so
>     >                     I suspect it's always been problematic.
>     >                     Unfortunately, it's a hard one to debug if it does
>     >                     not show up elsewhere.
>     >                     My experience here with RME and presonus has
>     been ok.
>     >
>     >                     Victor Lazzarini
>     >                     Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>     >                     Maynooth University
>     >                     Ireland
>     >
>     >                         On 14 Aug 2019, at 20:16, Eduardo Moguillansky
>     >                              > wrote:
>     >
>     >                         This was in a setup with a MOTU audio
>     interface
>     >                         connected via USB. Same setup with Max worked
>     >                         fine and csound via portaudio also.
>     >
>     >                             On 14.08.19 20:41, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>     >                             tested here with builtin audio and it
>     works
>     >                             fine.
>     >                             ========================
>     >                             Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>     >                             Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and
>     Philosophy,
>     >                             Maynooth University,
>     >                             Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>     >                             Tel: 00 353 7086936
>     >                             Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>     >
>     >                                 On 14 Aug 2019, at 19:30, Victor
>     >                                 Lazzarini      > wrote:
>     >
>     >                                 The code has not changed for a long
>     >                                 time. I have not used it recently, but
>     >                                 will try it.
>     >
>     >                                 Victor Lazzarini
>     >                                 Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and
>     Philosophy
>     >                                 Maynooth University
>     >                                 Ireland
>     >
>     >                                     On 14 Aug 2019, at 18:52, Eduardo
>     >                                     Moguillansky
>     >
>           > wrote:
>     >
>     >                                     Hi,
>     >
>     >                                     out of curiosity, since many
>     people
>     >                                     here seem to use macOS: is the
>     >                                     coreaudio driver working? I
>     just had
>     >                                     to debug a simple .csd running on
>     >                                     macOS where everything seemed
>     upside
>     >                                     down, channels got mixed up,
>     >                                     performance was terrible, etc.
>     Just
>     >                                     changing from coreaudio to
>     portaudio
>     >                                     solved it.
>     >
>     >                                     ---
>     >
>     >                                     eduardo moguillansky
>     >
>     >                                     Csound mailing list
>     >                                     Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>     
>     >
>      https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>     >                                     Send bugs reports to
>     >
>      https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>     >                                     Discussions of bugs and
>     features can
>     >                                     be posted here
>     >
>     >                                 Csound mailing list
>     >                                 Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>     
>     >
>      https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>     >                                 Send bugs reports to
>     >
>      https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>     >                                 Discussions of bugs and features
>     can be
>     >                                 posted here
>     >
>     >                             Csound mailing list
>     >                             Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>     
>     >
>      https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>     >                             Send bugs reports to
>     >                             https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>     >                             Discussions of bugs and features can be
>     >                             posted here
>     >
>     >
>     >                         Csound mailing list
>     >                         Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>     
>     >
>      https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>     >                         Send bugs reports to
>     >                         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>     >                         Discussions of bugs and features can be
>     posted here
>     >
>     >
>     >                     Csound mailing list
>     >                     Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>     
>     >                     https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>     >                     Send bugs reports to
>     >                     https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>     >                     Discussions of bugs and features can be posted
>     here
>     >
>     >
>     >                 Csound mailing list
>     >                 Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>     
>     >                 https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>     >                 Send bugs reports to
>     >                 https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>     >                 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>     >
>     >
>     >             Csound mailing list
>     >             Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>     
>     >             https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>     >             Send bugs reports to
>     >             https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>     >             Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>     >
>     >
>     >         Csound mailing list
>     >         Csound@listserv.heanet.ie 
>     >         https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>     >         Send bugs reports to
>     >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>     >         Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     Csound mailing list
>     >     Csound@listserv.heanet.ie 
>     >     https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>     >     Send bugs reports to
>     >     https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>     >     Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>     >
>     > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>     
>     > >
>     > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>     > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and
>     features
>     > can be posted here
>
>     Csound mailing list
>     Csound@listserv.heanet.ie 
>     https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>     Send bugs reports to
>             https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>     Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> 
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features
> can be posted here

Csound mailing list
Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
Send bugs reports to
        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here